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Four Horsemen In Revelation

Who are the four horsemen in Revelation? When do they start riding?

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I think Scripture is pretty clear about something...a "catching away" or "rapture" happening. It's not clear when. Anybody can have their theory, but it is not spelled out. (just like the meaning of the 4 horses is not spelled out.)

I WILL ask my representative to support HR 1207! The Fed needs to be answerable to somebody. There's another Bill (I've been doing a little studying) called HR 1349 that
creates a new government bureaucracy to conduct economic oversight over other federalized government bureaucracies. Just what we need in this country, more bureaucracy!

I'd willingly "take it to the streets" if it came to that, but prefer checks and balances restored by an election.
---Donna66 on 4/22/09


You can accept of reject anything your heart desires. Ain't no skin off my nose.

The "rapture" ain't adequately explained in scripture, either. Does that mean it ain't gonna happen?

Wanna attempt to stop the expansion of "socialism", peacefully? Make sure your Federal REP votes in favor of HR-1207. Either way, though... pass of fail... at some point, we either accept its creeping... or take it to the streets.

I couldn't care less which one occurs. Not any more. This country ain't belonged to the "people" for decades.

BTW: Europe will NEVER forego socialism. But, it ain't any more a "political" philosophy than capitalism is.
---BruceB on 4/21/09

Bruce- I get socialized capitalism. Europe has practiced it much more than the US, but they are now beginning to pull back from it a bit.

However "Capitalism", "Socialism", "Marxism" don't appear in Scripture...nor are they adequately described therein.

So, I say, any attempt to apply certain verses to these political philosophies is a matter of loose interpretation..
---Donna66 on 4/21/09


You keep insisting I am applying something to capitalism independently from "communism". I've merely pointed out their appearance in scripture.

To attempt clarity:

Congress allowed fractional-reserve banking to become our unconstitutional system of money creation (1913), followed by government confiscation of the people's gold, and turning their real money into debt-backed fiat-currency (1933). That's called government takeover of the components of production--capital and labor. "Communism".

What you believe is capitalism is "Marxism", or socialized capitalism. It's been here, and in every other nation on earth, for 100 years.

BTW: God was talking about EVERYBODY.
---BruceB on 4/20/09

BruceB.~ Thanks, and you make a lot of sense and seems logical. This is an interesting day and age to be living in and seeing the words of God unfold.
---Anne on 4/20/09


I can overlook "theological" labels. LOL

1) Preterism- As I understand it, I don't agree with most specifics, technically. Now, as to the seals/trumpets, I know those first four/five have been opened/sounded already.

2) Two witnesses- Yep: and you better pray you recognize 'em when you see 'em. Their mission is to testify of Jesus and His Kingdom: especially by their resurrection. They accomplish this through God's will and by God's power.

3) "anti-christ"/Beast- The beast is both a system AND a real guy, since he and the false prophet get flung into the lake of fire, alive. (Re 19:20)

Remember I said "that" mysterious. Other specifics will be revealed in time. Honest.
---BruceB on 4/20/09

Sorry, Bruce. Yes, Marxism is the avowed enemy of Christianity (we've seen it expressed in Communism).

I think you are reading a lot into Ze 6:8
(which may not mean your are incorrect)

Your application of Jas 5:3 to Capitalism seems a real stretch to me. How do you know whom God was speaking about? A church? certain members of a church? A family? a king? a nation on the earth at that time? Perhaps it merely reflects your misunderstanding about Capitalism.

Our Capitalism has been less "socialized" than any other country I know. But now it's taking a strong lurch in that direction. Funny, Europe whose governments are more socialized,have lately chosen leaders who would guide them away from increasing Socialism.
---Donna66 on 4/20/09


I think I should point this out also, in relation to those "spirits". We read from Zechariah 6:5 & 8, they come from God: and since He says they quiet His spirit, I'd guess they have the power to do that because God apparently gives it to them.

We read further in...

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

If those "spirits" from God quiet the spirit of God, is it "evil" or "good"? After all, He has a purpose for them. Since God creates evil (as well, everything else), I'd say whether He intends them to serve as "good", "evil", or both... is totally His prerogative.
---BruceB on 4/20/09

Bruce~ Maybe I'll have to 'pick your brain' then if you don't think Revelations is all the mysterious...hehe.

Do you have any preterist concepts concerning Revelation, or do you think it is all present day/future occurrences?

What are your views about the '2 witnesses'?
What do you think their ultimate mission is, and how do you believe they will accomplish it?

Since the word 'antichrist' only appears 4 times in the Bible, do you see this as a literal figure, or not?

I'll stop there for now...I still find prophecy to be quite mystifying, but I like that.
---Anne on 4/20/09


Are these "worldly" concepts not "spirits", which consume the human mind? And if they are spirits, you gotta ask where these spirits come from.

If you read Zech 6, you will find...

Ze 6:5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

Revelation ain't that mysterious. Ya just gotta look around at the real world to find how things fit. After all, ain't Jesus comin' back to put and end to the kingdoms of "this world", which worship these "worldly spirits"? Why would it be such a shocking thing to find them in The Revelation of Jesus Christ?
---BruceB on 4/20/09

I am going to try to do one horse a day,this week, if God shall allow me to. The first seal the white horse...Revelation 6:1....The rider of the white horse has been identified with Christ or even a false Christ. To identify the rider as any specific person is not in keeping with the interpretations of the other horses, which symbolize conditions and not individuals. This rider and horse refer to the attempts of many to bring in permanent peace [1Thess. 5:3]. It is verifiable from many times in the past, and especially in this century, that before some of the greatest conflicts between nations, there have been powerful attempts at, and these are the key peace. It will not work. Cont.
---catherine on 4/20/09

The white horse. A cont...The text indicates the desire to conquer in this area, but does not state that the objective was achieved. In this passage horses speak of the powerful providential actions connected with the government of the earth. Speed is also a factor [Zech. 1,6]. White speaks of victory and triumph, a bloodless victory for the moment...How do you have bloodless victories with or without God, is what I want to know? I just through the question out there, I don't know. But this is what is going on here, now adays.
---catherine on 4/20/09

The are figures for conquering, war, famine, and death.

Revelation itself says so.
---katavasia on 4/15/09

Completely AGREE with this one.

Right to say Revelations says so. If you read the scriptures following them, it is right there in black and white!
---miche3754 on 4/20/09

BruceB~ You seem like a logical guy, but when you were speaking about the 4 horses, you referred to them using 'worldly' concepts like communism, and capitalism. The Bible is more focused on Spiritual concepts. I've always understood the horses to have more to do with the:

Spiritual Darkness of our day.

What you said about false Christianity made sense...but not with the 'white horse'.

I guess Revelation may always be fairly mysterious however.

I do agree with you that the world is putting such a muzzle on God's Spirit. Pray for another true true 'Jonah' or 'John the Baptist'. God Bless
---Anne on 4/20/09


No, I don't suppose you would know how I concluded these things. Again...

Ze 6:8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.

As for either capitalism or "socialism" being the answers to all mankinds ills, here's another verse:

Jas 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered, and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

Actually, Marxism is the avowed enemy of Christianity, Donna. Karl made that quite clear. BTW: the US has operated under "socialized capitalism" since 1913.
---BruceB on 4/20/09

Bruce--There are dozens of interpretations of the 4 horses. I'm not sure where you got yours... or your conclusion that Capitalism and "false Christianity" have "muzzled" God's Spirit. Communism is the avowed enemy of Christianity.

The creation of the US was, among other things, to spread Christianity. And for 200+ years, as a Captalist country, it did so. Capitalism allows individuals to develop their own God-given talents and abilities without limit.

Communism (and to a lessor degree, Socialism) stifle individuality, aspiration and free expression. "False Christianity" cannot "muzzle" the Spirit of God! For the very gates of hell cannot prevail against the true Church Jesus Christ.
---Donna66 on 4/19/09

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After 2,000 years it still looks pretty much like a guessing game! Everyone has a different opinion.
I was a strong believer in Revelation 'till I met an Episcopalian priest who told me "Revelation is an old man's dream"
The more I study it the more I'm inclined to doubt.(especially with the mistakes).
Easy to see why some denominations (Christian) omit it from their bible!
It was one of the "last"books to be accepted into the present 66 book canon!
---1st_cliff on 4/19/09

BruceB, thanks for the information. It seems to me to be the truth as we look at the world today. God bless you.
---frances008 on 4/18/09

White horseman - False Christianity
Red horseman - Communism
Black horseman - Capitalism
Pale horseman - Death

You can find these as well in Zechariah 6, though the order is different and they are related as being horses carried in chariots.

White follows Black into the north country. Seems like that's where the money is, and the "church" ain't shy when it comes to followin' the money.

Ze 6:8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.

I'd say between False Christianity and Capitalism, they've pretty much put a muzzle on God's spirit: eh?

Them four seals' been open for many moons. Honest.
---BruceB on 4/18/09

I have a totally different take on the Riders and I believe they are all currently riding.

#1 - power without using power (no arrows), a conqueror without war, ruler (crown), supreme (white horse), Super Power (conqueror and to conquer) - USA.
#2 - taking peace from the earth, men would slay one another (nation against nation), Columbine, Going Postal - All current phenomenon
#3 - Scales, weights, products, money, selling and buying, economy, - Economic Distress
#4 - deaths due to famine, diseases, animal attacks, All current phenomemon
---Mark_Eaton on 4/17/09

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Debbie Jo: "He will be diplomatic and will hold a promise bow rather than a battle bow. Later, a crown will be given to him, indicating authority."

Am I correct in assuming that you take the view that horseman #1 is the Antichrist??
---Bobby3 on 4/16/09

The four horsemen represent what happens during any war driven by an ideology. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/15/09

#1 - The rider on the white horse speaks of peace and prosperity. We are looking look for a covenant with the Jews for 7 years along with an official announcement of "peace and safety." The rider has a bow but no arrows which speaks of a conquest without blood. He will be diplomatic and will hold a promise bow rather than a battle bow. Later, a crown will be given to him, indicating authority. That period will likely embrace the seven-headed league of nations Rev.13.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/15/09

Some have equated the first horseman to Christ, noting a similar description given in Revelation 19. Others assume (and I would disagree) that this horseman is the Antichrist.
---Bobby3 on 4/15/09

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The are figures for conquering, war, famine, and death.

Revelation itself says so.
---katavasia on 4/15/09

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