full bloom as it was when it was blooming during ITS killing machine frenzy (800 years of killing)??
did you know the office that instituted those killings within rcc is still active although not used and surprise the now pope once was its leader?
rcc has been calling her PROTESTant daughters home ...or have you not heard the pope addressing the daughters of the roman catholic empire
most don't understand vatican city is a sovereign state
the understanding is in Rev 17
the irony of the rapture theory is it was initially STARTED by rcc
prophecy states a LAST resurrection of the holy roman empire and the apostate church will be in full bloom THEN when IT starts its killing frenzy again not until
---Rhonda on 7/3/10|
\\Assembling is not gathering.\\
Not according to St. Paul and 2000 years of Christian understanding of this verse.
Or is it only to you that the Word of God has come?
---Cluny on 7/3/10|
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Heb.10:25
If you don't see the day approaching, you don't see the need to assemble. Assembling is not gathering. We can gather together and never have an assembling of the parts. If you have all the parts of an engine in one room but you never assemble the parts, the engine doesn't run.
---Linda on 7/2/10|
Cathrine: because even if there is ONE other in the church, we are told that 'when two or three of you' etc, implying we are to be with other believers - even if you believe most people in church are not
---peter3594 on 7/2/10|
I don't know why people go to church. God isn't saving them. There are more unbelievers in the churches today making a mess of God's good name. You love to socialize, trying to find you a date. or trying to get some free food. Jesus is a great date. You haven't been to a party until you go to a Holy Ghost party. And He will feed you, too. FREE.
---catherine on 7/2/10|
Do you believe that the apostate church is in full bloom today?
Of course. Look at the total number of churches that have walked away from the ten commandments of God, all have left the love of God for apostacy.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---francis on 6/30/10|
The apostate church has been in existence since the roman emperor devised the rcc the first trin - relig - org church, ( then the rcc's daughters churches came later on.)
The devil with the roman emperor revolted, warred against The early Jesus name Church of The living God according Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20, even with nero & the great crusades went to kill them off.
The devil didn't get us all.
I & many others around the world Are still alive & well today waiting for the rapture. We are the ones that's hated for Jesus name sake.
The Man-mades do No apply.
---Lawrence on 6/28/10|
jerry6593: There is a point about the NT (in that stantment you minded in your last post), and you missed it
It was the ONE CATHOLIC CHURCH (Nicene creed) that picked all the NT scripture, and so withouth that church, there would indeed be no NT
Nowever, of course, the comment you objected to MAY assume that the Catholic Church is the same as the RCC, which it is not
But we must remember that it was the old church, which later became to Catholic and Orthodox churches, which did decide what would go in the NT
---peter3594 on 6/28/10|
The common apostate church today has been around for a little over 30 years now, ever since the late 1970s when the foolish chose to supplant the Holy Bible with new unholy bibles in the churches. I ask, Can the bad get badder, and the backslider become more backslidden? and the answer is a resounding Yes, for the blasphemies and false doctrines are quite boastful.
---Eloy on 6/26/10|
Jeffery: "apart from the Catholic Church we would have no Bible...or at least no New Testament."
Not so. While it is true that many modern translations are derived from the Latin Vulgate, the King James Version derives exclusively from the Greek Textus Receptus - manuscripts closer to the Syriac Bible.
---jerry6593 on 6/26/10|
In short, apart from the Catholic Church we would have no Bible...or at least no New Testament.
---Jeffrey on 6/24/10
Are you saying we should honor the vulgarity this church has become because she was initially a working servant?
GOD uses whoever he likes to accomplish his ends.
1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty,
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
The wise man's eyes are in his head, but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.
---Trav on 6/25/10|
For those who hold that the Bible is the final authority in spiritual matters, let me remind you that the Catholic Church canonized the Bible and asserts that sacred tradition and the magisterium are also to be sought in determining such matters. In short, apart from the Catholic Church we would have no Bible...or at least no New Testament.
---Jeffrey on 6/24/10|
"The traditions,false doctrines found in most Churches have come from Roman Catholic Church, even though most people don't want to believe or admit to this.
---Rob on 6/29/09
The very name "Catholic" meaning universal should ring a bell and raise a flag. How about "One World"....the new language. This concept is not supported in scripture by Christ, GOD or the Prophets. Yet most non-catholics build the catholic belief foundation. catholic (adj)
Synonyms: wide-ranging, broad, wide-reaching, all-embracing, extensive, varied
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
---Trav on 6/30/09|
Rob, how true that is. The RCC was the largest assembly of professing Christians and the most powerful religion in the world run by many who deliberately change most of the doctrines to satify the eggo's of so many evil man through the centuries. To the point of making Jesus second to Mary and many saints. While there was many great man, those that spoke against the Church shut down by the Church body. Second, the apostate church did not begin in the RCC it was already among many churches in the period of the Apostolic Church, that can be found in many Scriptures. The rest of the denominations carried many false doctrines from the RCC when they separated from them.
---MarkV. on 6/29/09|
The Whore (roman catholocism the first trin-church),the great mother of harlots) is in Rev. 17 v's 4-6 & with other scriptures.
---Lawrence on 6/28/
Lawrence, the whore in Rev 17 is a city not a church "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.?V18
---Ruben on 6/29/09|
"AMEN" Lawrence. Thank you for sharing the "TRUTH".
The tradiditions and false doctrines found in most Churches have come from the Roman Catholic Church, even though most people don't want to believe or admit to this.
---Rob on 6/29/09|
Yes the apostate church is here & has been here ever since the man constantine embraced
a type of christianity in the which started the roman catholocism the first trinity church. The light that came to this man constantine which started the first Man-Made reli-org's churches is, 2nd. Corin 11 v's 14-15. The apostate church & the apostate daughter churches (The Whore (roman catholocism the first trin-church),the great mother of harlots) is in Rev. 17 v's 4-6 & with other scriptures.
---Lawrence on 6/28/09|
Most Excellent Way, your thoughts are so true. I believe that it is the humaness in every person that causes them to continue to get glory for themselves in some way or another for their salvation. It doesn't matter how great a Christain he is, he still, because of the flesh feels he wants to have a part to play when it is all of God. Some even claim to be sinless. Of course they want to take some credit here too. They stand and curse everyone of their sins when sin is alive an well in their own lifes. They are hypcrites and self-righteous, all acts of the flesh.
This is call pride. The one sin that seems to continue in everyone.
---MarkV. on 6/17/09|
Leslie~ great thoughts, and oh so very true.
---Anne on 6/16/09|
Look at most of the people that blog on Christianet, and you will see that the Apostate church IS very much in full bloom. This is because the entire Bible (O.T. and N.T.) is no longer being taught to people - only the pastor's opinion or cute stories to make people feel "good and warm and fuzzy" - NOT the TRUTH of God's Word (no matter how uncomfortable it makes us). This is also because we no longer allow Holy Spirit to teach us, only people. The church today is missing the two key elements: The Word and the Spirit.
---Leslie on 6/16/09|
It's not important whether we call Jesus devotion "The Way" or "Christian", but we have to be careful that we don't get lost in the traditions, practices, and beliefs of apostasy. The "church of man" has developed according to "convenience" and pride (performing "self works" in order to feel worthy...PRIDE). Jesus did the only works necessary (He did "the works of God", John 6:28, 9:3).
Apostasy is explained in Hebrews chapter 6...Jesus is our only foundation, but if we set another foundation (doing "works" of our own), repentance in Jesus becomes impossible. In His final judgement, He will not overlook apostasy (because His judgements are always just).
---more_excellent_way on 6/14/09|
The "apostate" church has been in effect ever since Antioch (true Jesus devotion is called THE WAY)...
"and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians".
"But Felix, having a rather accurate knowledge of THE WAY".
God never had need of a "new deluxe" name for "Jesus devotion". It would seem that the people back then developed a "slang reference" to distinguish the new worship as "Messiah devotion" ("CHRIST-ian") and many of the old traditions/practices survived all throughout history (the "STRONG delusion").
In John 14:6, Jesus says "I am THE WAY...".
---more_excellent_way on 6/5/09|
"Babes in Christ" (1 Corin. 3:1) need to be "trained" (2 Timothy 3:16) in the "doctrine of Christ" (Hebrews 6:1), but after that, we should learn to discern properly between the good and the bad (as a Godly person would,...the discerning "sword" of a Godly character/spirit).
"the sword of the spirit which is the word of God".
....because we really shouldn't live by the words that HAVE PROCEEDED from God's mouth 2000 years ago and earlier.
"by every word that PROCEEDS from the mouth of God" (Amen!!).
---more_excellent_way on 6/5/09|
The Apostate has been in full bloom since Jesus started His Church.
The Roman Catholic Church has never cease blooming, because Jesus is always true to His Word.
He will never leave His Bride.
He keeps His promises.
---Valerie on 5/20/09|
Yes Wayne, r-catholocism (the first trin-church) with the protestant-churches (the branched off trin-churches form r-catholocism) Rev. 17 v's 4-6 & with other scriptures. The other Man-made relig-org's, muslin,mohammed,islam,buddha etc Will also fall in line.
---Lawrence on 5/19/09|
Yes the apostate church is in full bloom, the apostate church is known by different names, but in reality its all the same church. The 3 main names used are Roman catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant churches.
---wayne on 5/14/09|
Steven's question > "Christian today don't have anything to grow in their faith like miracles. ...where are the miracles they should perform greater than Jesus?" Jesus answers Steven's question > "the kingdom of God is within you", Jesus says in Luke 17:21. So, the "greater works" (see John 14:12) that have us growing in faith are the works of the Holy Spirit "within" us. Very good point, Steven. Thank you (o: For example, James 5:16 shows how mutual confession and mutual corrective prayer can get us "healed" of what makes us able to sin, and "healed" together with God in His love. This certainly is greater than any medical healing miracle, and makes us grow in faith.
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/27/09|
"Salvation is a free gift with nothing expected in return"
Nevertheless, faith without works is dead and won't get anyone anywhere.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Nothing expected in return? What do we do with this?
Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy,
---john on 4/25/09|
MIMA FROM MIC:-Are you asking which is the true church, B/c I have never heard a denomination called 'the apostate Church".But in all,4 Gospels,there is one Nominated Church yes even JN 6:30-47.You believe you are right Mima but you prepare a place for your destruction.YOU cannot Fight GOD.Yes it would be interesting to hear your interpretation of Apostacy.Jesus spent His life and love giving us Matt16:13-19, would you attempt to tear it down? Then beware of the Prophecy"the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"YOU have made a choice" is this true ?You have much to lose-YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL"
---MIC on 4/25/09|
Okay, Jesus spoke of those who believe [for a while but "fall away" in time of temptation, Luke 8:13]. AND AT THE JUDGMENT those who work in iniquity will be told to "depart" [Luke 13:27]....The Spirit had explicity revealed this falling away from the faith [1 Tim. 4:1]. This would involve doctrinal deception, moral insensitvity [indifferent], and ethical departure [aimed at creating a society based on moral and not religious values], from God's truth. Ethical societies existing in Britan and the U.S.A. united .. ...No wonder Britain and the U.S.A. IS GOING to THE DOGS. Good day++
---catherine on 4/25/09|
Mima, It was in "full bloom" as early as the 1st century!
---1st_cliff on 4/25/09|
I am in agreement with the post of---more_excellent_way.
---mima on 4/25/09|
2 Thess 2:3 is the verse that mentions apostasy. The word means falling away, to defect, to forsake. What is being forsaken is the true religion. In Acts 21:21 Paul describes Jews forsaking the teaching of Moses. The word forsake is this verse is the same word translated apostasy in 2 Thess.
Is it here? Yes, all over the place. 2 Tim 3:5 - having a form of godliness. Not really holding to true Christianity, just a form of it.
Here is an example. There is a church near me that is named "The Overcoming Life" church. How many would attend there if the name were changed to "The Crucified Life" church?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/24/09|
The apostate church has been around since the Protestant Reformation at least.
It certainly made no effort to link up with the original true Church.
---katavasia on 4/24/09|
The traditional teaching in today's churchES (the only true church is SINGULAR) is that we must "work" (deeds, ritualistic gestures, become "accomplished scholars", etc.) in order to get/"take" what only God can GIVE of His own free will.
The only "works" we are to "do" is to TRUST that JESUS did the "works" (let them be "manifest in" us).
"works of God".
Jesus Himself is our sabbath rest (Luke 6:5). In their lifetimes, the Israelites did not know of Jesus's sabbath rest (Hebrews 4:3).
REST/relax IN Jesus.
---more_excellent_way on 4/24/09|
Apostacy is when a large number of people leave their christian faith to follow another gospel. A good majority of christians today lost their faith becasue they think God isn't helping them cope with adversity. Most christian would not even recognize Jesus if he were on earth because he doen't conform to their denominaional church doctrines. Christian today don't have anything to grow in their faith like miracles. If there are many christians in the world, where are the miracles they should perform greater than Jesus? christians will even mock the two prophets written in Revelation. We are surely living in the end-times.
---Steveng on 4/24/09|
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Yes, the "apostasy" has to do with us performing "works" in order to "obtain" what belongs to GOD only. Salvation is OF the Lord, not OF us.
Read Hebrews chapter 6.
It says that JESUS is our only foundation, and if we set another foundation (a foundation of "works"), then REPENTANCE IN JESUS becomes IMPOSSIBLE.
Jesus's judgements are just, He has no intention of being UNJUST by overlooking the apostasy.
Salvation is a FREE gift, it was given GRACIOUSLY, not IMPERIALISTICALLY (NOTHING is expected in return).
---more_excellent_way on 4/24/09|
What is your definition of "apostate church"?
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/24/09|