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Living A Godly Life Rare

Why does being "saved" and "born again" seem to be the focus of christianity, while living a good life seems to have gone to the road side?

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I think if we look at what we are commanded to do and the reasons why, saved and born again will be obsolete because that is not the focus of scriptural teaching but the reason we desire to obey.

Entertainment not discipleship, no real relationship as a assembly, having a service, time periods for service (10:00-1:00).

How does scripture portray the church? this doesn't seem to fit.
---willa5568 on 7/6/11

Hi Poopsey,

I was mainly involved with researching Monoclonal Antibodies for treatment of Cancer.

I believe it will be the ultimate cure, not only for Cancer, but other diseases.

I did this back in the 70s and 80s. Along with other Cancer research.

I then realized that the ultimate profession was to save people from eternal damnation,and bring them to eternal life.

For even if someone is cured they will eventually die anyway.

So I became a Pastor, a Rabbi and a Theologian.
---John on 7/6/11

The majority of professing christian comments on this space and in the wider society leave little doubt that heaven is for those who do not do certain prescribed things or do certain other things that are considered godly by the particular group.

Of course, sometimes someone remembers to say that salvation is not by works. However, the primary thrust of christianity is that heaven is reserved for those whose behaviour is characterised by a certain set of actions and positions. And amazingly or perhaps, not so amazingly, that conclusion is completely "extra-Biblical".

We should all spend some time re-considering what we claim to be believe.
---Allan on 7/1/11

Poopsie,I don't know if it's the same John, but I recall something of Quantum physics as well as genetics
---Christina on 6/30/11

John: Unless I am mistaken I believe something to do with genetics? I'm not much of a scientist but it seems like very important research that you would be doing.

Hopefully I did not mix you up with the other john.
---poopsey on 6/30/11

Hi Poopsey! Doing Okay.
What research are you reffering to.
---John on 6/29/11

Hello John: I hope you are doing well. How is your research going?
---poopsey on 6/29/11

I could be wrong but I think the op was referring to living a good life as in morally and not materially.
---poopsey on 6/23/11

I hope you're right Poopsey.

I certainly hope he read about the "Good Life" our Lord, the Apostles and Paul had.

---John on 6/28/11

The word says in Psalms Thy Spirit is good and Jesus said God is good.
To live a good life is to live with Christ in your life and to be led of the Spirit.
The word says if ye be risen with Christ seek those things which are above where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
Not material things.
The word says he has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.
When you see Blessed is he or Blessed is the man written in Psalms they refer to spiritual things.
Not carnal blessings drummed up by man's darkened heart and spiritually blinded mind.
---Del on 6/23/11

I could be wrong but I think the op was referring to living a good life as in morally and not materially.

Ultimately one's works should reflect one's faith.
---poopsey on 6/23/11

Because God said so! Who are we to argue with Our Great God and Father? Living a good life does not compare to living a christian life. Even without material things and things we think we need in our lives, when can be happy in Christ.Of course we can live the good life as a christian. Here on earth everyday is a good day and good life with Jesus Christ.
---Robyn on 6/22/11

Hi, My name is Delilah. If you would like to converse I would like to as well. I am a student in Gods word for 20 years and love to share. If not, that's alright too. God Bless!
---Delilah on 6/21/11

I imagine there are forces beyond which the Bible speaks of...I must speak very seriously here! I have to say "there Ain't NO GOOD Life! "...without Christ n our lives! We are chase"n what? "just Rite" Cars,friends,fame,egos...pride..oh, I can go on & on..whatever you call the goodlife! JesusChrist IS Love Heals minds,soul,body! bloggs people pour out their hearts! Tellingthe Power of God! Is.5:20 woe to those who call evil good. .mark 8:36 what good is it for a man to gain the world and lose his soul... N short the reason I believe you may be well meaning but, without God whatever you call the good life! You need a saviour! We need the Lord!
---ELENA on 6/21/11

Because living a good life means different things to different people.
Being saved or born again is specific. No ifs ands or buts about it. God tells us exactly what we must do in order to be born again. And that's the way it is!
God's way is the good life. The best life there is.
There is an afterlife and we must prepare for it, if we want to be a part of it. The good life,here on earth, will end when we die. That will be it. But not so if we are living for Christ. We will be with him through all eternity,if we have truly been born again. I would rather suffer now,if I have to. And look forward to the good life.Eternal life with Christ Jesus.
---Robyn on 10/2/09

Wow Earl

what you wrote is not found in Gods Holy Word ...maybe some new-age spiritual movement books written by half-baked minds of men and their feeling of spiritual enlightenment which is NOT from God ...what you wrote contradicts Gods Truth to be born of spirit is to be begotten - AN HEIR ...a promise an inheritance at Christs RETURN

understanding NO physical human is spirit - NOT ONE ... eternal life is SPIRIT and NOT of flesh DIRECTLY calls Christ a liar when he said what is BORN of flesh IS flesh - BORN of spirit IS spirit ...not deception given by men about some "mind blowing transformation by faith today" is why the resurrection is a mystery (1Corin 15:51)to self professing religious christianity
---Rhonda on 7/25/09

Born again is a life transforming conversion away from a natural beginning human birth state to a non human spiritual God conscious mental state of awareness.The human self will is dissolved and replaced with a God's will.The transformation begins in the human mind which is partly human and partly spirit.The confirmation that God is the orgin of our personality becomes less and less of speculation and doubt and increasingly developing as solidified spiritual fact and thereafter a permanent truth.Doubt no longer exists.
We must,at first, believe without seeing.
The grand payoff is reuniting with our creator who led us to a perfection unknown known by human terms.Doing good is noble but is without a represented value.
---earl on 7/22/09

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what is the "good life"? I know atheists that live good moral righteous lives having MORE integrity than many double minded religious christians ...atheists don't have show and tell at church each week about how righteous their lives are ...unlike religious christianity who do evil things in private then going to church to "be good"

religious christianity teaches MENS idea's about Gods Word which is different from TRUTH of Gods Word

one is not "born again" in their physical life and Christ SAVED mankind from death

the "good life" is NOT on earth today will be when Christ returns to establish Gods Kingdom on earth and replace Satan who is the god of this world 2Corin 4:4
---Rhonda on 7/22/09

Matthew 7:11: "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?"
Lets not mix things which go not together, good is good and evil is evil. That goes for righteousness, 1 John 2:29: "If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.", whether one knows it or not, James 1:17: "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
---Nana on 7/22/09

Living a "good" life is something many people do, even if they are not Christians. Of course, we cannot know the motives of their's possible to appear righteous but act from selfish motives. But living an ostensibly "good" life is possible for almost anybody.

To be a "Christian" means to believe in Christ and seek to be His disciple. It is to trust Christ, as Son of God, for salvation...i.e. be born again.

The "goodness" of a Christian comes from a relationship with God. We can share the "good news of the Gospel" with people, but we cannot cause them to be good.
---Donna66 on 7/20/09

First we must understand what life is.Is it amassing possessions?A great big portfolio for retirement,and 40 years spent getting it?Is it a family?children?Is it a succession of decisions,and the consequences of them?Is it a constant battle of using people,or being used?Is it worrying about everthing under the sun?especially the economy,your job,your debt.WHAT?Or is the righteousness of God thru his son LIFE?Which way are you living?or are you dead?
---tom2 on 7/19/09

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Jesus said, "Ye must be born again (John 3:7)." "Repent ye, and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15)." "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned (Mark 16:16)." But He did not say, "Live a good life."
---Betty on 7/10/09

People are being sidetracked from living a Holy Life & it ought Not to be. If your Truly been born-again, you canNot live the way You want to live, walking around half naked, spending more time with worldly pleasures & not being in Church services etc. God Is Strict, you just canNot live just any ole way.
---Lawrence on 7/10/09

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to myths and endless genealogies, which cause questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
---Exzucuh on 6/8/09

I agree 1000%.

Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31. A myth to many like yourself. But, is the capping answer to the mystery.

Genealogical value ended with the same scriptures. No need with GOD given marks.
What I couldn't see....I see clearly now.

Heb 8:10, Jer 31:33.... the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---trav on 6/9/09

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to myths and endless genealogies, which cause questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
---Exzucuh on 6/8/09

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I do not even care to discuss meaningless things as this, It is a waste of my time.
---Exzucuh on 6/3/09

Exscuseh me please.
GOD being Married,Divorced is a waste of a lot of people's time. Subject worn completely out couple thousand years ago, with the divorce and all. Insignificant to important people such as yourself. You have a large group to hang with in the world.
---trav on 6/7/09

Nothing personal but I already know the history of Israel ....
---Exzucuh on 6/3/09

You seem to know what you have been indoctrinated in. What is apparent at a glance is you have lost the 11 nations that are mentioned in Heb 8:8 and 0ver two 2,318 other locations. Not to mention the pet names. Sheep,sticks,Olive trees,Jacob etc.
Scripture gave you a problem and in Christian humility you attack. Hmmm. Scriptural truth seldoms affects the "lost Sheep" this way.
---trav on 6/5/09

Nothing personal but I already know the history of Israel and you apparently do not.
So go study some more I do not even care to discuss meaningless things as this, It is a waste of my time.
---Exzucuh on 6/3/09

God never was married to Gentiles,

Isaiah 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear, break forth into singing,cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for =more are children of the desolate= than children of =married wife=, saith the LORD.
---Exzucuh on 6/2/09

Right in one place. He was not married to anyone other than Israel,all thirteen nations. He divorced 10 nations....the desolate above...but was still married to Judah Benjamin. Until after coception of Christ.

More are the children of these 10 nations of Israel than Judah Benjamin.

Read the New Covenant Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31. states exactly who it was too.

Gentiles translates, Nations or Ethnos better. Denoting nations of Israel.
---Trav on 6/3/09

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God never was married to the Gentiles, And Jews have to be reborn into spiritual Jews.

Isaiah 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear, break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for =more are the children of the desolate= than the children of the =married wife=, saith the LORD.

He was talking about the gentiles having more
children than the Jews he was married to. They have become his blood washed born again Bride and the Jews refuse to be his bride.
---Exzucuh on 6/2/09

Jesus died for a bride that was not a virgin,
.... he makes virgins by his blood
---Exzucuh on 6/2/09

Scripturally speaking...he died to free his divorced wife to remarry.

4Fear not, thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded, thou shalt not be put to shame: thou shalt forget shame of thy youth, shalt not remember reproach of thy widowhood any more.

5 thy Maker is thine husband, LORD of hosts is his name, thy Redeemer Holy One of Israel, God of the whole earth shall he be called.

6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken, grieved in spirit, a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

7For a small moment have I forsaken thee, with great mercies will I gather thee.
---Trav on 6/2/09

Jesus died for a bride that was not a virgin,
he gave his life for sinners and accept them as his bride, he makes virgins by his blood that sinners wash their garments in.He is married to a church that was most imperfect, and he is a perfect virgin without sin. Jesus said the things that I do ye shall do also and greater things because I go to my father, We are perfect if we lay down our lives as Jesus has, thinking of others before ourselves. WE are made perfect in Love. That love sees those forgiven as a virgin, white as snow acceptable to Christ as a bride.
---Exzucuh on 6/2/09

It is a very good realistic question.
Being born again and being saved must be the focus of Christianity. But most Christians want to get it free and don't want to work for it. So, instead of diamond they get cosmetic glitter, which is counterfeit. They are happy and brag about it saying they got it free.
But there are a few, who are willing to strive hard, pay the price and they live a godly life. The Christian world may push them along the road side, but they inherit the kingdom of God.
---Dave on 6/1/09

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Amazing question isnt it. The truth is -

Matthew 7 13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and ONLY FEW FIND IT.

If you see the majority of people doing something that christ says is a sin but man says it is approved, accepted and rewarded double check your foot.. it may be leading you straight to death.
---wal_rev on 5/31/09

well in the time of noah there was only one righteous man.Guess its possible today also.I wonder who it is?
---tom2 on 5/29/09

Exzucuh~ Thanks for that explanation of the 'fig leaf' doctrine. I 'preach' against people who hold the fig leaf doctrine here on the blogs all the time...this is one terrible and rampant doctrine and they cling to it with all their might!
---Anne on 5/29/09

As you know Adam tried to cover his naked sinfulness with Fig leaves, Being separated from his Holy Covering he needed something to replace it. This is what Is called *Nomos* in the Greek Bible.

Mark 7:8-9 For laying aside the *ENTOLAY*commandment of God, ye hold the
*NOMOS*tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the *ENTOYLAY*commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Fig leaf Doctrines cover up sin and give people excuses for their lifestyles, They love preachers that compliment their itching ears.
---exzucuh on 5/26/09

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It was NOMOS that the Bible says was changed
and nailed to the Cross. The ENTOLAY law is written in the fleshy tables of Born Again Christians Hearts, It is Morality based on the Mind of Christ the written Law. The letter killeth it takes life, there is no Grace in the letter, But the Letter is Holy and Judges with righteous judgment. It will Judge all that have sinned Born Again and not Born Again.
It will not Judge those who are under the Blood who endure in the Holy Spirit by seeking the regeneration that comes by the Holy Spirit.
They walk in the Spirit and do not fulfill their lusts, They live under the Law of Liberty. And have washed their Garments in the blood. Their reward will be to sit with Jesus and share in his throne.
---exzucuh on 5/26/09

Many argue about the Law and the fact it was nailed to the tree, They do not know the difference Of NOMOS and ENTOLAY, What happened was that God has Done something New.
It was prophesied that he would do a new thing Judaism would be no more, there would be no more the Religion of the flesh or legalism, John the Baptist was beheaded to fulfill the curse that was on the house of Eli. His head or power, authority was removed he decreased,And ended the livitical priesthood. Then Jesus was made the Head a new priesthood after the order of Melchizedek,who was not Hebrew or gentile but came from God. He is now our high Priest forever, And we live under his Law the Law of the Spirit of Grace, The Law of Liberty.
---exzucuh on 5/26/09

Exzucuh~ I like how you preach and teach a lot, and I think you and I see basically eye-to-eye from what I have read of yours. I have heard you mention the 'fig leaf' theory a bit which I have never heard of before...could you please explain that to me a bit deeper. Thank you.
---Anne on 5/25/09

Just living a Good life is a lie and is not acceptable to God. You cannot live a good life
without the power of the Holy Spirit. You will fail and only try to cover it up with fig leaves,deeds to make up for your sins. You must obey the Gospel first Repent, turn from your sins be Baptized, somewhere in that Process God will change you by his Holy Spirit
called being born again,you will receive a new spirit a Christ like spirit. Being Baptized in the Holy Spirit by seeking God continually will empower you to live a good life. by the Regeneration of the Holy Spirit that is determined by you enduring to seek more of the fullness of Christ in you life.
---exzucuh on 5/24/09

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Many Christians prefer to pursue the "fruits" that are owned and manifested by GOD'S spirit ("the kingdom by force", Matthew 11:12) and want to PRIDEFULLY possess them, but they have no "fruits" of their own...

Ephesians 5:8
"walk as children of light".

"Living a good life" has been replaced by many with living a "book life" because it is easier to do what you're told than to be responsible for your own actions (CONSCIENCE/spirit/character has been discarded and replaced by CONVENIENCE/book).

"God is light" 1 John 1:5 (how many who claim Christ as savior are "good and right and true" and will "enter by the door"?,John 10:1, 9).
---more_excellent_way on 5/24/09

Isaiah 59:14_15: "And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth, and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment."
Yeah, Mima knows all about that and why Christ came...?
---Nana on 5/16/09

Yesterday out witnessing I encountered a 43-year-old man who emphatically stated, yes I am going to heaven. Why I ask? Because I used to be a big drinker and I stopped and that is the reason why I am going to heaven. After witnessing to him, I ask him did he want to pray with me for his salvation. Yes he said I do. We did and after we finished I ask him what do you think? To which he replied, oh my goodness, I feel warm over. When I told him he had just received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit he said, oh my goodness, so that is what being born again means. Yes I told him you have been born again and he went away very happy.
---mima on 5/15/09

Thanks for the Scriptures. I looked them up and could not stop reading till the end of the book. .....
The righteous, like good sons and daughters, follow in their footsteps.
As always, there is much more I would like to say than what I am allowed, but it teaches patience and hope for tomorrow.
---Nana on 5/14/09
A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.
Proverbs 25:10-12
Thanks. I was caught up in the cares of the day.
Isaiah, Jeremiah....David...these Men Of Men...get me rolling too. I blog here because it wasn't long ago I discovered (provoked to look) at what these Men of GOD....were telling those who search/ask with all their heart.
May YAH bless yours.
---Trav on 5/15/09

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Thanks for the Scriptures. I looked them up and could not stop reading till the end of the book. Isaiah surely is one of my most favorite books. It was a good word that "came to mind" in you. As I read it 'came to me' that those are "words to the wise":
"Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings."
The righteous are reminded that a good thing, with promise, began with Abraham and Sarah. The righteous, like good sons and daughters, follow in their footsteps.
As always, there is much more I would like to say than what I am allowed, but it teaches patience and hope for tomorrow.
---Nana on 5/14/09

Only 'Israel' that "Seek" after the LORD:
Isaiah 45:22: "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
---Nana on 5/12/09

Nana, I like yours and this one below. It came to mind when I read yours.

Isaiah 51
1Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.

2Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
---Trav on 5/13/09

Isaiah 45:17: "But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens, God himself that formed the earth and made it, he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD, and there is none else. I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right."

Only 'Israel' that "Seek" after the LORD:
Isaiah 45:22: "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
---Nana on 5/12/09


The possibility always exist for revivial to happen.

I believe we are in the end times and the bad attitude of people toward God and righteousness in the end times is clearly stated in Scripture.

The light of God being back on Israel is seen by reading Romans 11 and 2 Thess 2:10-12. I believe just as the children of Israel had a "veil" placed over them so that the Gentiles would believe, the veil will be lifted off the Jews and placed onto the Gentiles. We will be grafted out of the old tree and the original branches grafted back in.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/11/09

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This is all too true.
---Richard on 5/10/09

Mark Eaton~ It just seems though that all throughout the Bible, God always had a plan to shine forth His straightforward truths. I feel hopeful that there will be a 'war for truth', and the vast amount of complacency toward spiritual matters might subside. Instead of the complacency, there might be strong divisions between those who earnestly live for truth, and those who reject it. Do you believe this possibility exists? Also why do believe God may have more mercy on Israel than the Gentiles in future years?
---Anne on 5/10/09


I wish I did believe a great revival was coming to the USA.

Unfortunately, the American church is more like 2 Tim 3:5 "holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power". We have lost our first love and do not pray, praise, or live a sanctified life.

Our time is short. I believe the "time of the Gentiles" is drawing to a close and God's light will shine again on Israel.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/10/09

Mark Eaton~ I agree with you completely. It almost feels like we're going through the 'motions' of Christianity with very little passion to expose the ways of darkness, and live in God's pure Light.

It almost seems like darkness in the USA has become second nature: the disgusting movies, filth on the internet...I could go on and on, yet we're almost immune to it and it is almost never spoken of in the local churches. We should be like righteous Lot and sick in our righteous Spirits over all this. I guess this is all part of the prophecied falling away before Christ's return.

Mark, do you believe there will be a great revival of some sort similar to Jonah's day before Christ's return?
---Anne on 5/9/09

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I do not believe that even most Christians live a God-centered life. Especially in the USA.

I attend a very large church. Over five thousand on any given Sunday. Out of that total maybe a third to a quarter attend another service besides Sunday morning. When you finally get to my men's class on Thursday, we are lucky to draw more than 30 men.

Now don't get me wrong. I am sure many more are involved in ministry and service, but if you are not studying in a structured class setting, few are studying on their own.

The best analogy I ever heard of the christian walk was that of climbing a greased pole. You are either climbing or slipping back. There is no standing still.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/8/09

Mark E. ~ I enjoyed your post here and found it very true and interesting. Now, I know Jesus attended a wedding and that He did celebrate special occasions. But I believe that Jesus' heart was not centered around pleasures and worldly cares, but rather that His main focus and all of His heart was was centered around doing the will of God and exposing ways of darkness and bringing men to the light if they might choose the light over the darkness.

I believe as children of God, we are meant to have our hearts and minds focused on this above anything or any other love as well. Is this how you see it as well? Do you believe many people at all in this world have God and following Him with all their hearts as their primary focus?
---Anne on 5/7/09

Holiness is not just to quit sinning. Speaking of Jesus, not only did he not do anything bad but he also did everytghing right. We spend a lot of emphasis on not commiting sin but not much emphasis on doing what we are supposed to do. I have house plants that don't say or think any bad things. They don't lie or cheat or steal or commit adultery. They even keep the Sabbath. Some so called holy people are just like that, they don't do wrong but they don't do right either. Which is just as much a sin as doing wrong.
---john on 5/7/09

If you mean why are people not living a holy, blameless, sin-less, servant, crucified life, then the reason people are not interested in it is because it is HARD.

Matt 7:14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it".

People are lazy. It is easier to be conformed to the world than to give up TV, fine cars, fine dining, fine homes, vacations, and leisure activities. As Paul said in 2 Tim. 3:4 "lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God". Unfortunately, this describes the current state of the American church.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/7/09

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We can be certain that the Lord Jesus Christ lived a perfect life on Earth. Yet his lifestyle did not pay for our sins nor did it win any converts. Now on the cross he did pay for our sins by the shedding of his blood and his physical death. He died physically but he did not die spiritually. Before his physical death he send his spirit back to be with his father.

Living a good life will give you self-satisfaction, and if you happen to be saved(born-again, washed in the blood) living a good life will gain you rewards, of which there are five to be gained, but living the good life will not save your soul!!!
---mima on 5/6/09

We know that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten and that we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. Jesus died for everyone. He is the way, the truth, and the life and no one comes to the Father but through Him. Because the old covenant law could not make one righteous, God had to send Jesus to atone for our sins and make us righteous through Him. I've known some wonderful people who seemed to live Godly lives. They seemed to live by the fruits of the Holy Spirit, even though they were not Christians. Without Jesus as their Savior they can't enter into the Kingdom of God because they were not born again of the Spirit.
---Bob on 5/4/09

Because the bible tells us no one lives a good life.Jesus came to save us all,sent by God.for all have sinned and fall short.For evey man loves the dark and hates the light.There is no one GOOD enough to enter into heaven without first going thru jesus.
---tom2 on 5/4/09

Well, Amanda . . . ones say the Bible says one unconditionally can't lose one's salvation because the Bible says so. Well, also the Bible says God's word "shall accomplish what I please", in Isaiah 55:11 > this is unconditional, also, how God's word "shall" do all that God Himself pleases - - - whatever God *Himself* means by His word. And this includes > "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17) So, if we are saved, in *this* world we are unconditionally guaranteed that God's word "shall accomplish" that we become "as He is, so are we in this world." So, we can't just do anything (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/2/09

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You cannot enter heaven if u r not born again in the Spirit, said Jesus (John3:3) To be born again is the work of the trinity...what the sinners only need is to hear the gospel or the good news (from a born again)why Jesus Christ die in the cross and of course to obey what God is asking or commanding us to do with Jesus His only Son.(jOHN 3:16)
once u know u r now a born again u keep on following Jesus. u will have now a new kind of struggle u never experienced before but that kind of struggle ur not alone since Christ is in you. you need to remain IN JESUS and u should see spiritual fruits in ur life as u live different by having a daily bible reading,praying and regular fellowshipping with the brethren. blessings be yours.
---Lanie on 5/2/09

First of all, what really is living a good life? Everyone has different opinions on what is good and what is not.

Baptists have this doctrine of "Once Saved, always Saved," regardless of what you do. I don't believe in this doctrine. I think there are even some verses in the Bible that do not support this doctrine.
---amand6348 on 5/1/09

Being born again is essential to living a real good life > "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, old things have passed away, behold all things have become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17) When we trust in Christ, we get started with God so we have power over the devil, so we can resist his dominating and controlling passions and emotional torture. Living in fear and depression and loneliness and ambition and worry is not living a good life. Jesus in His love and emotions is "gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29) We start fresh with God, so past and present evil can not decide how we are and live.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/1/09

One who has been saved and born from above, will live a Godly life, as one that shows great reverence for the Father, for that one will submit himself to His empowerment. The Father's word will not return to Him without accomplishing that to which it was sent, and as He has said "I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]." It is the Father that "Makes [us] perfect in every good work to do his will, working in [us] that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen." Repent and 'believe' on the Lord Jesus, [The] Christ", For Christ 'in' man, is man's only hope of glory.
---Josef on 5/1/09

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The main reasons why living to the Lord is very rarely emphasized now is:

1. We are living in the days of 'The great falling away' that is prophecied before the return of Christ. (II Thes. 2:3)

2. We are living in the days of when people are heaping up teachers to please their itching ears (II Tim 4:3) because they do not want to endure sound doctrine and the complete truth of the Bible that tells us that TRUE faith means living for the Lord with all our heart and abiding in Him. (see James Chap. 2, and Jn 15:6). They do not want to hear scripture that says we could LOSE salvation if we want to continue in the flesh/sinful nature instead of the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Be ready for the Lord's return and delight in Him.
---Anne on 4/30/09

Why? Two major reasons:

One, christians only go part way to becoming a full christian. They have the knowledge of God, but deny his power. They don't know HOW to walk with him, HOW to love him nor HOW to love their neighbor. (how many neighbors do YOU truly know?)

Two, during these last days, the world is full of selfish christians. Everything they do is for their own personal benefit. They fill up every minute of every day with ipods, computers, TVs, friends, family, work, entertainment, shopping, but never find time for God. They will not make any time nor spend their money to PERSONALLY get involved with another person like the story of the Good Samaritan. They say, "I give to the church, let them handle the poor."
---Steveng on 4/30/09

By the way, before my Catholic father knew he was dying (before he was diagnosed with cancer) I happened to write him a letter in 2006 and was led to say to him, "Unless you believe that Jesus was lying, He said, "Ye must be Born Again." And then I wrote, "Dad, repent ye therefore or you will perish (in hell for eternity).

My father got himself to confession, took communion and on his death bed accepted Jesus into his heart - a real miracle for a little old Italian, full of pride, Catholic my father made it into heaven Praise be to the Lord.
---donna8365 on 4/30/09

Once while witnessing, when I asked a man did he want to pray he said, I would like to be a Christian but I do not believe I can live it. Whereupon the Holy Spirit directed me to tell him I have wonderful news for you, your salvation will not depend on your living it but rather it will depend on the Lord Jesus Christ having lived it for you. Then he prayed with me and then started to cry.
The world wants you to believe that your salvation is dependent up on your righteousness when in fact the Bible says all your righteousness is as filthy rags!!! The world is lieing to the masses.
---mima on 4/30/09

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Because you can live a good life but if it's without Jesus, you're not saved, you're not going to heaven. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the light, NO ONE comes to the Father but by me."

It's not by good works or deeds that gets us into heaven, it's accepting and living the will of God. Being saved means if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior for your life, then you are saved from the wrath of God. There's more to it but I have limited space here.

You must be born again is what Jesus said or else you can't enter the Kingdom of God.

It takes much more explaining but this board only allows 125 words I think.
---donna8365 on 4/30/09

Christian: I immediately accepted Christ as my Savior because it was a pretty darn good deal but I was not told that there was more to the committment. The person that witnessed Christ to me was simply looking for another notch on their belt but was not grounded enough to Shepherd me. I later discovered on my own that salvation was part of the entire experience of living with Christ. It is possible that many new Christians were never told about the wonderful life of following Christ that is available to them, they were only witnessed to then dumped like me. That is why I am not in favor of impersonal large salvation campaigns, there is little follow up with the saved.
---TIMOTHY on 4/30/09

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