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God Allows Evil Things

Why does God allow evil things to happen? I don't mean bad situations or mini tribulations. I'm talking about downright evil things.

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Amen Kathr4453
Since evil is the absence of God, how can someone blame Him when evil happens, no matter what degree.
What some people call evil, might just be judgement, testing, or chastisement.
All else is man's turning from Him to his own lusts.
---MIchael on 6/18/09

If people believed the Bible and obeyed the Bible, there would be no evil, or wars or anything like that.

God doesn't force man to Obey Him.

I get angry when people BLAME GOD for evil or say they don't believe in God, because God wouldn't allow so much evil.

God even Allowed His Own Son to be horribly beaten and delivered into evil hands before He was crucified.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/09

John 6:44: "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
This implicates that God's Foreknowledge of those coming to Christ is based on the outcome of the schooling he gives each and every man. Since God is not the author of sin, the course of 'Practical Sin and its Implementation in Daily Life' is not taught by him. Those with passing proven grades (hath learned) may go on to further studies at Christ University or obtain gainful employment in the Body of Christ.
---Nana on 5/23/09

Timothy, you seem to be convinced that God is not all-powerful. If sin was not in the original plan, then it would not be here now. I have heard that God had plan A, which failed, so he went to plan B which was sending Jesus. But Jesus was with his father from the beginning. God knows the future. He knew that man would choose sin, and that Jesus would be the Saviour, through the message of repentance and the presence of the Holy Spirit. I cannot accept that God's plan A failed. I believe that was part of the plan. A good general might behave in such a way for example attacking an enemy and feigning defeat to put the enemy offguard and then regrouping or having another unit attack from elsewhere.
---frances008 on 5/22/09


Brother, Only the Holy Spirit is capable of interpreting God's Word, and its through the Spirit that the Understanding of the Truth is 'Discerned' to God's Children.

Timothy, Don't look or put your trust in any man to interpret God's Word for you, instead diligently endeavor to develop a ever growing relationship with the Holy Spirit, who will Guide, Teach & keep you in remembrance of the Lord......and whether or not you're being nefariously 'Sarcasm', try admitting your mistakes and learning from them how to say what you mean or you'll never mean what you say!!

Grace Unto You & Peace, Be Multiplied
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/20/09

Shawn M.T.: I'm glad that you are here to interpret my meaning and my intentions, obviously I am not qualified to speak for myself. Good luck with your obvious gift of interpretation.
---TIMOTHY on 5/20/09

Frances008: The original statement by Shawn M.T. was that sin was part of God's original plan. The Christians that I associate with do not accept that sin was part of God's plan and that is the we that I was referring to. We accept that God can use anything to his Glory, however we do not believe that God tricked mankind for some higher purpose.
---TIMOTHY on 5/20/09

Shawn ... It's a pity I was less clear earlier that the reason I addressed you was to try & explain to you why I (and perhapps Timothy) had originally thought your statement was in line with that other person here who espouses the full-blooded Calvin view that God before He made man, decreed (by active decision, not foreknowledge) the eternal future for every human being.
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/20/09


Brother, .....What 'Hostilities'? Don't you mean discussion or conversation! It's good that you understand that I wasn't twisting the words of Timothy and I'm glad that we're in agreement in the Lord.

Your reactions needs to be addressed to the proper parties and you need to discuss it with them in a non-hostile way.

Grace Unto You & Peace, Be Multiplied
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/19/09

--Timothy: Continue

Now, That which is Sown, isn't Quickened, except it Die(1Cor.15:36) and there's no 'Death' without the wages of the evils of sin. Hence God creating evil(Isa.45:7), foreknowing Matt.16:25 & that All things(Good & Evil) work together for Good to them that Love God Rom.8:28

1 Peter 1:2, The Elect 'ACCORDING' to the Foreknowledge of God, through Sanctification of the Spirit, unto Obedience & Sprinkling of the Blood of Jesus Christ : FOR whom He Foreknow, He also Predestinate to be conformed to the Image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many Brethren(Romans 8:29) Having Predestinated us unto the Adoption of Children by Christ to Himself, According to the Good Pleasure of His Will :Eph.1:5.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/19/09


Everyone knows what this means "I WILL RESPECTFULLY HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THIS DEFINITION OF A SINLESS GOD" , if it's a Typo O.K., but don't say I twisted you words!!

I'll explain again in more detail but lets keep the discussion edifying & civil, by asking questions without the presuming statements. I'm only shining the Light of Truth, in the end you'll have to~Job 28:28

God Predestined & Ordained all of Creation according to His Foreknowledge of His Purpose for our Lives to be Quickened & Raised into Glory with Christ. Now, A body Sown isn't the Body Raised, and except a body is Sown & Die, it can't be Quickened a 'New Body'. So, God made us Living Souls & planted us in the earth...continue
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/19/09

Shawn ... Did you actually read mine of 5/18 (in particlar the fourth paragraph) before yours of the same date?

We appear to agree ... I wonder why the continuing hostility once the original misunderstanding had been clarified?
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/19/09

Timothy, you are speaking for some group? I am not confused by this. If we have free will then sin is an option because sin is saying 'No!' to God's rules. God allows evil and does not stop it for the same reason, he wants us to be in charge of our own destinies. If people choose sin, become evil, and go to Hell, it is up to them.
---frances008 on 5/19/09

Shawn M.T., "Sin was part of God's Predestined & Ordain Plan for His Creation, if it wasn't it never would've entered". We are still curious about this statement no matter how bizzarely you try to deflect the attention to me. Nobody but you misunderstands my statement, however we are all still confused by yours.
---TIMOTHY on 5/19/09

Nana, I'm glad you acknowledge the importance of The Art of War on the life of Christians, because it is certainly being used by the other side so we had better know what it says. God gave all authority to Jesus, and when Jesus left he gave us The Comforter. The Holy Spirit, of course. The Holy Spirit has many influences on our lives. By the power of the Holy Spirit we are guided into all truth. At a certain point in time when we hold a gun and the bad guys come knocking on our doors, I think God will intervene and show us the correct thing to do. Some people say that Jesus says pay your taxes, but he actually said Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's.
---frances008 on 5/19/09

I have no issue with men defending the defenceless and standing for justice and the use of weapons if neccessary. You have read The Art of War and in war, the chief say when to fire or commands the troops to "fire at will". That is what I was refering to concerning the sword, that it was not commanded its use! Considered that after that mention of the "sword", swords are not mentioned again as companions to neither, Peter, James, Esteban, Paul, Luke, John, and Whatchamacallit? Where are the sword campains of the Apostles and disciples of Jesus recorded? We may have to revisit that sword Scripture. Is the sword that protect the Christian or is it God? God got angry with David for passing a census, wonder why?
---Nana on 5/19/09

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God did not create robots, but humans. We have to be willing to love God, in order to merit eternal salvation. Most people do not believe in, or love God. His laws mean nothing to them. That is the when evil enters the world. There's nothing new in it, the serpent did it and has been doing it since Adam and Eve.
---frances008 on 5/18/09


I answered your queries & I never said you said Frances or Myself disputed FreeWill, I said you're addressing this concern to the wrong people, when you posted it to us on 5/17/09

<<< I have to agree with Timothy that you have totally misunderstood what he so clearly put in his of 5/14---alan8566_of_UK on 5/15/09 >>>

I accuse of AGREEING with an unfounded accusation made by Timothy, that I twisted his words : when it's clear what he said.

<< This is not the God that I know however I wish you well with this opinion of God. I WILL RESPECTFULLY HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THIS DEFINITION OF A SINLESS GOD.---TIMOTHY on 5/14/09 >>

Alan, You really need to be swifter to hear and slower to speak & wrath!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/18/09

Shawn ... You accuse me of unfounded accusations. Pray, what are they?

You did actually say "Sin was part of God's Predestined & Ordain Plan for His Creation, if it wasn't it never would've entered", and it was that that I queried.

I have never said yuo or Frances dispute FreeWill, in fact I know you both beleive in it

If you read my posts, you will see that I was referring to the statements by someone else that there is no Freewill.

When I said "That's OK, but my reaction is really to the ideas put forward here that we do not have FreeWill, and that God being Omnipotent, decides whether or not we will repent & be saved" I was not referring to you, but to that other person.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/18/09


Alan, Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die(1Cor.15:36) and there's no 'Death' without the wages of sin. All things(Good & Evil) work together for Good to them that Love God---Shawn_M.T. on 5/15 & 12/09

Plus, I posted 'SINLESS' & can't be tempted with the evils of sin---Shawn_M.T. on 5/14/09

You would've realized all this, if you truly been following(or better yet understood) what I said but instead you decided to agree with an unfounded accusations before asking those two questions, which I've already answered.

Alan, Frances nor Myself put forward any Ideas that we don't have FreeWill, so you're addressing the wrong people.

Good Day & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/18/09

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God does interfere and come to the rescue of those who call on him, those that trust in him.
Lazerath was Jesus', friend, he died, evil happened to him, but Jesus came to his rescue because he knew Jesus because people were saying come Jesus, come help Lazerath. The reason people question God is because they do not realize that God uses people to work through. God is a Spirit, and he lives in people, If he is in someone they can pray or come to the rescue of others by his authority he gives them. when we see the needs of people God requires us to meet those needs if we have the resources, If you have two coats give one away. If you have faith that faith can bring healing in the name of Jesus.
---Exzucuh on 5/18/09

I guess that I still have a problem with God even allowing evil. That would seem to make him an accomplice to evil in American law, which of course is not Biblical law. I just can't reconcile in my mind how God can know about evil and allow it. This may be my problem as I am not a PHD and I may be putting my own mind on God's which none of us want. Anyway, I believe God to be sinless so the whole evil thing has always stumped me but not shaken me.
---TIMOTHY on 5/18/09

I'm sorry Frances ... I think yuo must misread what I said.

My fourth paragraph was not my view, but the was showing the inevitable result of the Omniscient Predestionalist theory, whereby God is and has always decided everything, including our fate ('cos they say we have no freewill)

That I think is the blasphemy ... that God has created people to sin, so He can punish them.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/18/09

To all those who are debating the notions of choice, free will and freedom.

Here is an idea. Freedom does not equal free will nor the ability to choose. The problem you face is due, in part, to an inappropriate defintion of freedom.

The ability to choose a desired option does not necessarily equal freedom. The freedom about which you speak is the convenient product of western, political thought.

Rather, freedom is the ability to live one's life without fear. So that, the degree to which we experience or exercise freedom is directly proportional to the degree to which we live our lives free from fear. That definition of freedom serves better to define mankind's role and place the universe.
---Janze on 5/17/09

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The results of the fall are not original sin, but death, suffering, hard work, pain in childbirth, expulsion from the garden. I have not argued that we suffer from original sin, in fact I have stated on numerous occasions that we have to be like young children (innocent and pure) and not let the devil deceive us with lies. We have to just BELIEVE whatever the Bible tells us - like children believe so easily whatever you tell them. That is our only safeguard against Satan. I certainly do believe in free choice, and would like to see a few more people exercising it to get out of the captivity they have brought on themselves because they don't love God.
---frances008 on 5/17/09

Frances ... You say to me "AlanofUK, you are wrong if you believe that God would be evil to create sin and then punish the sinner. That is not evil, that is justice and free will"

I agree with you that it is not evil... if we have freewill.

But I was talking to someone who appears to beleive that we don't have freewill.

So we have a God who makes people evil, then punishes them for behaving as He makes them behave. That can't be just ... at least not in the way that God has taught us to be just in our own actions.

The Predestionalists will not answer that one!!
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/17/09

Shawn ... You (and Frances) seem to say that God created evil, and creates us (through the Fall) to be sinful by nature.

Then He judges us, by seeing whether we repent from our sin (and accept salvation through Jesus) or decide to reject that salvation, in which case He has Hell prepared for us.

So sin is there to test us.

That's OK, but my reaction is really to the ideas put forward here that we do not have FreeWill, and that God being Omnipotent, decides whether or not we will repent & be saved.

That is what would make God a hypocrite ... He makes us to be evil, decides that we must continue to be evil, and then punishes us for following His decision that we will remain evil.

Call that just?
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/17/09

Shawn .. When I posted to you on 15/5, I followed an argument through from what you had said, as it seemed to me that you were saying God created something (sin) which He hates.

Now I may be misunderstanding what you said, which is why I asked you the questions, which you don't seem to have answered nor have you shown where I misunderstood you, nor where my argument falls down.

In view of the fact I asked those questions, I don't think this is quite the same as categoric (and unretracted) misrepresentation of what someone else has said.

Incidently I have never claimed to give or share the "Truth"
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/17/09

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So God created what He hates? That makes God the biggest hypocrite of all.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/15/09

This words go down in the Lamb's record of your life, Alan. If I were you I would repent. You don't want God's judgement to come on you, or your family. Blasphemy comes in a different category to causing strife deliberately.
---frances008 on 5/16/09

Frances ... "AlanofUK, you are wrong if you believe that God would be evil to create sin and then punish the sinner. That is not evil, that is justice and free will"

That is not complete, for I linking this to what MarkV says, and now JohhnyB says: "You and I make the choices we do because of the way we are put together" and MarkV's claim that God's onmiscience created each of us as we are.

In that case God made us evil and unable to change .. and then punishes us for being as He made us.

---alan8566_of_UK on 5/17/09

Sin was part of God's plan. His plan is to remove rebellious people from his Church (I speak of the church of the Poor and of good people). The only way to do this was to provide a choice. Those who want to rebel are free to do so, by God's Sovereign Will. He wants the rebellious to repent, but if they won't then he will put them in a place where they will not be able to continue to cause offense for eternity. AlanofUK, you are wrong if you believe that God would be evil to create sin and then punish the sinner. That is not evil, that is justice and free will.
---frances008 on 5/16/09

As to the posted question:

God does many things we may not understand, let alone agree with... that He might show forth His power and that His name might be declared throughout all the earth.

As for those who doubt God's creation, I point to JohnnyB's comment, wherein we find his reference to scripture:

Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
---BruceB on 5/16/09

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There are a small percentage of brave freedom-loving people who are continuing to fight evil under the most overwhelming odds against them. These are the sons/daughters and grandsons/daughters, and great nephews/nieces of those who died in the two World Wars. Whatever those wars were for politically, the men who died so young, believed they were fighting for OUR freedom. Do we repay the great debt we owe, by merely saying 'OKAY, NEW WORLD ORDER, We give up. We surrender. You are too big to fight.'
---frances008 on 5/16/09

Nana, I disagree with you over the sword. Jesus intended us to have a sword for defense. In today's terms it would be at least a gun in America. In Palestine maybe something bigger. In parts of Russia, in Burma, the villagers would need to defend themselves from gunfire from the air. Self defense is not a sin. If it was then there would be no Christians left. People would all be speaking German. Asia would be all Japanese speaking. And so on. War is horrible. But when it comes you need to be ready psychologically and practically trained to destroy EVIL. Or would we just want to die? Go to the execution like lambs to the slaughter. It is a choice. Fight and maybe live. Or don't fight and definitely die.
---frances008 on 5/16/09

Johnny, very funny! Of course you are joking. The proof of freedom of will in a person is not whether or not they agree with you....I am sure you think so. There may be some truth (and I am sure there is) in what you say. We are born with different genes. God would never punish someone for something that they could not avoid. I am thinking of some person who has been captured, put in an enemy hospital and brainwashed to become a robot who will carry out orders by some trigger words. (As in the Manchurian Candidate). We know that Biblically to be captured by Satan and made obedient to him can be something caused by the Enemy of our souls, not by ourselves. God is merciful. We are judged according to what God reveals to us personally.
---frances008 on 5/16/09

Frances, yes, people are willing to die for good causes. That doesn't prove they have free will. It only shows that they chose what seemed to them best at the time. That choice was still caused by an inner compulsion. You and I make the choices we do because of the way we are put together. That's what I believe. You can disagree. It's okay with me for you to disagree. No problem. If you tried to agree with me, you couldn't. That's because you don't have free will! :-)
---JohnnyB on 5/16/09

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God has given us the gift of freewill to choose to do what we desire. And he Commands us to love each other, else be destroyed. Now if mankind chooses to disobey God's Command to love one another and be good to each other, and instead abuse their freewill and choose to hate one another and do evil to each other, well then we get exactly what we choose. You can have a church on every corner and love and happiness in the land, or else you can have a prison on every corner and violence and grief in the land. It is our choice, serve God and be blessed, or serve sin and be cursed. Either way we righteous saints will be gathered into his impenatrable sanctuary, and the wicked sinners will be horribly tormented outside the gates for all eternity.
---Eloy on 5/16/09

Sin is an abstract noun, I believe. It is the noun of the verb 'to sin'. It only manifests when someone does it. This goes back to the garden of Eden. God told man not to do something, and Eve, then Adam, rebelled. Men and women did not do what God said, because they had free will and they excercised it badly. That is why today we have wars and all kind of evils. Men continue to rebel against God and His Word. God made everything including sinful man, and will get His Way in the end (obedient men and women). Meantime the earth is the devil's playground and it is an awful place for good Christians, although they still have a mission to perform here. Those who never repent go to Hell, which was created for the devil.
---frances008 on 5/16/09

Isaiah 54:16: "Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work, and I have created the waster to destroy."
Does that mean that every intent subservient to the 'waster' is of the Lord? No, No, and No!
Read Isaiah 54:13_15 (While at it compare v13 with John 6:45), "15: Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake."

God made the serpent but he did not put her up to beguile the woman.
Jesus said something like, "get a sword", but he did not say to use it.
---Nana on 5/16/09

Thanks for the lecture!

Although you accuse me of misunderstanding what you said about sin, you do appear to confirm that I understood you perfectly.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/16/09

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I think it's important to see and experience "evil" so we can recognize "good", We needed to learn the "law" (the "Commandments" of God) so that we would know what "sin" is and that we were slaves to it.

No one,saint or sinner, will escape the effects of evil. It is universal. But the most pointless question is the unanswerable question,"Why?"

Job's friends had all sorts of ideas to explain Job's extreme suffering. (mostly they believed he had sinned). But they were ALL wrong...just as I think we usually are when we try to explain "evil".

There are many things we DO NOT NEED TO UNDERSTAND. The more important thing is knowing how to trust God.
---Donna66 on 5/15/09

--Alan:<<< So God created what He hates?---alan8566_of_UK on 5/15/09 >>>

Brother, You're eventually going to have to comprehend that "All things were made by God and without Him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3." and "All thing(Good & Evil) work together for good to them that Love God Rom.8:28"

Alan, You've made yourself out to be the poster boy for being wrongly persecuted by those who assume & presume you said one thing only because they didn't understand the Truth that you shared. But here you are doing the same thing, with the Truth that I'm sharing. So, Despite any presumptions do to the lack of comprehension, I've plainly & clearly stated that I Believe & serve a sinless God.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/15/09

Good night ,
I firmly believe that the lord allows things to come into our lives to bring us closer to him, throughout the bible we see numerous incidents in which the lord allow things to happen to people ,in order for him to work in their lives, and he also makes provision for his children even before he allow these things to come upon us. Lets look at adam and eve for example, God knew adam and eve would sin, so he made provision for their salvation Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, (1 Peter 1:20)
. almost every person in the bible went through some type of problem that would bring them closer to god
---mikey on 5/15/09

God allowed US to allow downright evil things when WE walked away from life in the garden. The Adamic curse was a choice WE (mankind) made as part of our free will.

I suppose most of us would start with murder as the ultimate evil which was first committed in the heart of Cain and every year since we've invented new ways to kill and to kill more. How can that be blamed on a holy God?
---larry on 5/15/09

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Shawn ... I have to agree with Timothy that you have totally misunderstood what he so clearly put in his of 5/14

It is clear that he believes in a sinless God, but that he cannot agree what you said aabout God's plan.

And I have to agree with Him.

You said "Sin was part of God's Predestined & Ordain Plan for His Creation, if it wasn't it never would've entered"

How can a sinless God have sin as part of His plan? Yet elsewhere you will say that God hates sin. So God created what He hates? That makes God the biggest hypocrite of all.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/15/09

--t:<<< God did not create evil.---t on 5/15/09 >>>

Come on!! Has anyone read God's Word or I should ask has any Hear the Spirit of the Word. God Planted the Tree of Knowledge of Good & 'EVIL' in the Garden Gen.2:9.

"All things were made by God and without Him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/15/09

--Timothy:<< I will RESPECTFULLY have to DISAGREE with THIS DEFINITION OF A 'SINLESS' God.---TIMOTHY on 5/14/09 >>

Timothy, Those are your words. You really need to be Quick to Hear and Slow to Speak & Wrath!! If it was a typo, and you Believe in a sinless God, then we're of one mind. AMEN

You knew not because you asked not. Now that you've asked, you need to comprehend 1Cor.15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die : and there's no 'Death' without the wages of sin. Timothy, Do you Believe there's anything God didn't Foreknow, that wasn't His Good Pleasure to Create?

I've shined God's Light pointing to the Truth, whether or not you comprehend it, depends on your ability to See & Hear!
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/15/09

I don't believe that God allows evil things to happen because God did not create evil. Evil comes from the heart of man.
---t on 5/15/09

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Shawn M.T.: I believe God to be sinless as you misunderstood from my post below. There is no rational way my post could have been twisted otherwise.

However many of us are trying to figure out your post of "Sin was part of God's Predestined & Ordain Plan for His Creation, if it wasn't it never would've entered".
So are you saying that God used sin to complete his plan and knew about it ahead of time? I think your logic here requires a little more explanation. I think that your the one calling God a sinner.
---TIMOTHY on 5/15/09

Shawn M.T.: Again, I wish you God's best with your search for the truth and I encourage you to read the Bible more and listen to the voices that are giving you your wisdom less. God Bless!
---TIMOTHY on 5/15/09


Timothy, Worshiping in Spirit & Truth has revealed the Wisdom of the Lord's Knowledge in this matter :luck & wishing has nothing to do with understanding & comprehending the Light of God.

If you "respectfully have to disagree with this definition of a sinless God---TIMOTHY on 5/14/09", then I Pray & Hope for you Brother, that our Heavenly Father reveals Himself to you, so you can know the God I know who is 'SINLESS' and cannot be tempted with the evils of sin.

Good Day & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/14/09

"Sin was part of God's Predestined & Ordain Plan for His Creation, if it wasn't it never would've entered." Shawn M.T.

Wow Shawn, good luck with this one. This is not the God that I know however I wish you well with this opinion of God. I will respectfully have to disagree with this definition of a sinless God. God Bless.
---TIMOTHY on 5/14/09

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Witchcraft, curses and mind control only affect people who are not REAL Christians. There are many who love the truth both inside and outside Christianity who cannot be brain-washed or mind controlled. These groups, and there are many of them, are a big problem to the NWO.
---frances008 on 5/14/09

JohnnyB, no, you are wrong. There are many good people who risk their lives to bring justice to situations on this earth. Many die for good causes. You are almost arguing the old original sin idea. But the truth sets us free. The truth is the Word which is written in our hearts (our consciences) by the Holy Spirit's power. Everyone has access to this power, but some people deliberately ignore it and do what they want to do. These people are called sinners. Captives of Satan. Telling them to repent is a way of trying to set them free. Stop sinning and the truth is given to you. Don't judge everyone by your standards.
---frances008 on 5/13/09

People think they have free will because they are making choices. But all choices are caused by internal or external impulses or forces. Whatever we do, we do because something made us do it, usually something that leads away from pain and toward comfort or satisfaction of some sort.
---JohnnyB on 5/13/09


Correct! Adam & Eve wasn't separated from fellow-shipping with God in the Garden but they 'abide alone' in the Garden separate from God who was in Heaven....and you're right again in the fact that sin doesn't bring us closer to God BUT without both, the Grace of God & the ability of 'Death'(which is the wages of sin) we would never be able to be raise up in Christ, where we're brought into Eternal Life with God in Heavenly places. There's nothing closer than that!

God never desired for us to just fellowship with Him from a far as Living Souls but Eternally abiding within Him in Heaven as Quickened Spirits. Sin was part of God's Predestined & Ordain Plan for His Creation, if it wasn't it never would've entered.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/13/09

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Shawn M.T.: Man had perfect fellowship with God before sin, he was not seperated from God in the garden. Sin did not bring us closer to God and never will, sin seperated us from God. Yes Jesus is the bridge to God but only because sin entered the world, God did not want to sacrifice his son. So again, why did God allow sin to enter the world? I don't believe it was so he could sacrifice his son on a cross just to bring us closer, we were already close to him before sin.
Face it, you don't have the answer for sin you simply have the cure, Jesus Christ. And that cure is good enough for me.
---TIMOTHY on 5/13/09

--Timothy:<<< "Why did God allow evil to enter his world"?---TIMOTHY on 5/8/09>>>

Brother, We're sown as Living Soul in the ground of a Natural Body and we're to be raised unto a Quickened Spiritual Body BUT God knew that except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and DIE, it abides alone: but if it die, it brings forth much fruit. Death being the wages of the evils of sin, is why evil was allowed to enter the world, if it didn't we would always abide alone, separate from God.

I pray you comprehend that No one is capable of the being Omniscience as God but God's Children are always Hopeful of knowing & doing all things through Christ who strengthens us, to Edify one another with the Wisdom of the Word for Christ sake!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/13/09

I dont believe that God allows evil things to happen because of the fact that God never created evil, darkness cannot dwell with God. Evil comes from the heart of man by the spirit of Lucifer and his family of fallen angels that has attacked the true people of God today.
---lisa on 5/13/09

Shawn M.T.: Nice versus but they have nothing to do with the question. I am a mature Christian and am OK with not knowing the entire mind of God. I don't need all of the answers to the mysteries to love him more. However be careful of what you wish for, would you really want the entire knowledge that God posseses? I wouldn't, I admit that I am still working through the little bit of knowledge that I already have.
---TIMOTHY on 5/13/09

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The Lord said, everyone that asketh receiveth & he that seeketh findeth and he that knocketh it shall be opened : Least we ask amiss, to consume it upon our lusts.

We're to get Wisdom which is the Principal thing and the fear of the LORD, that is Wisdom : and with all our getting we're to get Understanding, for departure from the evil is Understanding. (Pro.4:7 & Job 28:28)

Brother, The answer to your question of 'Why we were ever given the chance of Choosing evil which allowed sin to enter the world', is revealed in John 12:24 & 1Cor.15:44. Just remember that all things work together for Good to them that Love God and it's good that you do Timothy, despite not having all the answers to God's Mysteries.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/12/09

God uses evil people to accomplish His Will. The pharoh that did not know Joesph put the isrealites under slavery. Where all their needs were met to multiply to become a nation.
So if they had not been pressed it harsh labor would they have cried to God to return to a land where they had to take care of them selves. (Oh to return to the leeks and onions of egypt!) So how deep of a hole do you have to be in like King David to look up and call to the God of our salvation?
---Don on 5/12/09

The problem is that if God is omniscent then he must have known that man doing evil would be one of his choices and he allowed it. This seems contrary to the nature of God so this can not be the reason. If yelling "free will" and "choice" helps you sleep better at night then enjoy. As for me, I love him and worship him just as much without having a clear answer to this mystery. The mystery of why sin was allowed by God to enter the world.
---TIMOTHY on 5/11/09

Because He has "created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work, and the waster to destroy."
He has set apart a people as "the rod of [His] anger, and the staff in their hand is [His] indignation.
He has sent [evil] against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of [His] wrath will give him a charge...
"The LORD hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. And all the inhabitants of the earth [are] reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and [among] the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?"
Isa 54:1>Isa 10:5>Pro 16:4>Dan 4:35
---joseph on 5/10/09

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I agree with the poster below me. Look at it this way, before you do something evil, he does not put down his big God hands to stop you. You have free will, just like everyone else.
---amand6348 on 5/10/09

Choice. That is why God allows evil. Man has chosen to rebel against God and that has a price. No excuses!
---Janice on 5/9/09

Because we live in a fallen world where sin and mankind's free will exist. God cannot override man's free will, taking away our freedom to choose. If he did, we'd all be puppets and Jesus wouldn't have needed to come to earth to offer us reunion with God. Nasty evil will exist on earth as long as sinful men exist here.
---Vicki on 5/9/09

Are we not above evil things?

As long as we have the Gospel of Jesus Christ we can bring hope,peace, love, joy..... through his word and change the world that we live in that may just be who you are right now your own circumstances or that of others.

So amidst the wicked and evil world that we live in we can help heal the broken hearted..bring about a better surroundings for that of others and our selves.

It makes a huge difference when you have Christ in your life, All around is sinking sand but through Christ we stand upon solid ground and ''Our anchor Hold and Grips That Solid ROCK''.... that rock is (JESUS).
---Carla3939 on 5/9/09

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There is reality . . . with what is bad, yes, but also what is so good. In nature, we see how there is killing and being eaten, but there is so much life. Including how a great big tree needs to have all its leaves die before the winter, and drop those leaves so that in spring they will not be stuck in the way of growing new living leaves. The tree has to deliberately have all those leaves die and fall, so it can get through winter without all those leaves catching the weight of the snow and breaking off the branches. The tree does not say, "Why is there evil? How can there be good?" The tree does what is needed to adjust to the fact there is evil and get all that is good (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/9/09

It starts with the 10 commandments ...these are not suggestions as many self-professing christians have been told they are by the false ministers claiming they are "done away with" ...most are unaware of 2Corin 4:4 that states Satan is the god of this world ...forgetting that it was Satan who tempted Christ with THE WORLD if Christ would worship him a sinless life apart rejecting Satan Christ qualified to rule earth ...Christ returns to bind Satan and become ruler of the world bringing Gods Kindgdom

until then this world belongs to Satan in end times world becomes darker and more evil as this age comes to a close all foretold in Gods Word
---Rhonda on 5/8/09

According to Isaiah 45.7, God himself creates both good and evil. The Hebrew for 'evil' is the same as the word used of the Tree in the Garden of Eden.
---JohnnyB on 5/8/09

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Let no man say when he is tempted(of any evil thing happening), he was tempted of God, for God tempts no man with evil. James 1:13-14

The answer in regards to evil happenings to our Soul ~ Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap. For he that sows to his flesh reap corruption, but he that sows to the Spirit reap Life Everlasting. Gal.6:7-8

The answer in regards to the evil that may happen to our flesh ~ All things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Rom.8:28

-*-*-Timothy: The answer to your question of 'why we were ever given the chance of Choosing evil', is revealed in John 12:24 & 1Cor.15:44.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/8/09

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Man does not have the answer to the question, "Why did God allow evil to enter his world"? I asked this question many years ago when I was struggling and concluded that this question falls under the "faith" portion of the Christian experience. You will receive many answers to this question and many of them will involve the free will of man. My response to that has always been, "then why was sin one of the choices for a free will"? Simply stated, this may be one of the mysterious that is revealed to us at a later time. I have grown OK with that answer and I hope that you can as well. Your question is valid and appropriate.
---TIMOTHY on 5/8/09

In most cases it's us who allow the devil to do evil. God has laws in effect and he keeps to them. We reap what we sow.
---john on 5/8/09

Down the road of time since Adam and Eve and until now God has permitted man(in his fallen state) to be in control. God has permitted this in order to show man that he is utterly incapable of ruling himself. Later in Heaven we will have a clear understanding of the above statement. And then for all eternity as time rolls we will praise the Lord Jesus Christ for his bottomless love for us. Oh what he has done for us. Praise the Lord, praise the Lord!!!
---mima on 5/8/09

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