Jesus Christ commanded us to be baptized - Matthew 28:19.
---Betty on 7/15/09|
Baptism is a requirment by God, not to be saved, but as your first witness to the world that you have commited your self to Christ.
I do see why churches would want their members to be baptised. They want members who are willing to show their faith to the world. This also means they will be willing to minister in the church.
The church is not saying you can not come to the church. You just can not minister their, or vote on issues that have to do with the church. You may have been baptised somewhere else, you will not be required to do it again.
---Shelly on 7/14/09|
Hi Betty. :)
I certainly will not argue with you, however there is no scripture anywhere to support lack of baptism is lack of salvation.
There is a lot of scripture that supports it is a command from God and one we should all follow. Religion teaches that baptism is required as an effort to earn salvation, the Bible teaches it as a command from God to all believers.
My point is, to tell somebody that if they are not baptized that they are not really saved is false. God works with all of us on different levels and speeds.
---Barbara on 7/14/09|
barbara- The thief on the cross was dying that day & had no opportunity for baptism. Jesus Christ gave His word that the thief was accepted: therefore the thief didn't need the baptism.
---Betty on 7/14/09|
That is simply not true to say that without baptism there is no salvation.
I go to the thief on the cross who believed upon Jesus and Jesus said unto him, "today you will be with me in paradise." Jesus did not say, "John, quick, go get some water and baptize this thief."
Every believer should be baptized as that is the example and command Jesus gave, but baptism does not add to or take away from salvation.
---Barbara on 7/13/09|
You see this is the biggest man made load of crap there is. Without baptism there is no salvation. What I'm saying is you don't join a church. When you follow the steps of salvation that is very clearly lade out in scripture which are as following Hear the word, believe the word, repent of sins, confess Christ as lord and savior, be baptized for the remission of sin. Then the Lord adds those that do that to the church. We don't join a church. The Lord adds you to the church upon your obedience to his word.
---Jon on 7/13/09|
No, they should baptize anybody who wants baptism. God would not approve churches turning away people who needed baptism. God commanded baptism: He did not command church membership.
---Betty on 7/10/09|
I've heard of trinity ministers to say, you dont have to be baptized to be saved but you have to be baptized to be in my church. That Is So Wrong & such a False-hood. Mark 16 v 16. That trinity minister believes that it's more important for you to be baptized to be in his church(for your money)than to be baptized to be saved. The Ethiopian Man was in saving process aft he was baptized, your Not saved first then to be be baptized, again Mark 16 v 16. For Mark 16 v 16 & Is All Part along with Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20.
---Lawrence on 7/10/09|
Jo Ann: No! :)
"Baptism should take place after a profession & clear statement of a person's acceptance & receiving of the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior." Mima, 5/28
One good example is in Acts 8:26-39. The Ethiopian eunuch was saved & then water baptized, yet Philip didn't require him to join with & follow him.
"They will probably also have other very unscriptural practices such as not allowing the Lord's Supper to certain people." John, 5/28
Sir, taking communion "unworthily" leads to dire, even fatal, consequences for persons who do so. (1 Cor. 11:23:30) It's our individual responsibility to examine ourselves before...
---Leon on 5/30/09|
No. It's almost as if they are saying that their way is the right way.
Christ's way is the right way, not any particular church's beliefs.
---amand6348 on 5/30/09|
"Should a church refuse to baptize someone until they become a member of their church?" I suppose as a 'religious organization' they have that right.
Fortunately an organization is not necessary for baptism into Christ.
All that is required is a sincere belief and a true believer.
" I view baptizism as a personal statement you make between yourself and God. It is not a committment to a particular church building and its congregation."
---Jo_Ann on 5/29/09
My sentiments exactly.
---josef on 5/29/09|
I see many of you agree with my point of view. I view baptizism as a personal statement you make between yourself and God. It is not a committment to a particular church building and its congregation. You go under the water to die to your sins and emerge with a new beginning of Christian belief. All who request baptizism should be welcome. It is not a church congregation that should determine if a person is worthy/ready of baptizisim, that should be between the individual and God. God knows their heart better than any congregation.
---Jo_Ann on 5/29/09|
Why would someone want to be baptized in a Church, but not be part of a Church?
No separation. Unity is what Jesus prayed for in John 17.
Membership doesn't occur until someone is Baptized in the Church. Baptism is the start.
As a baby is born into the membership of the family.
---Valerie on 5/28/09|
Any church that requires membership for baptism doesn't understand that the person being baptized is already a memeber of the Church. They will probably also have other very unscriptural practices such as not allowing the Lords Supper to certain people too.
---john on 5/28/09|
Baptism should take place after a profession and clear statement of a person's acceptance and receiving of the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
---mima on 5/28/09
Where in scripture does it say baptism is accepting Jesus as your personal saviour?
---Ruben on 5/28/09|
It depends upon the polity of the denomination, in Presbyterian (PCUSA) churches the responsibility for insuring the infant or child is brought up in a Christian if the parent fail to do so becomes a responsibility of the congregation and generally the don't baptize non-members or non-regular attenders because of that responsibility.
I his no legal enforceability for the church to control children's upbringing but this as a carry over from the 1700s and is not likely to change.
---Phil_the_Elder on 5/28/09|
NO! Baptisim should be open to anyone no matter if they go there or not.When God calls you to be baptized he doesn't first check your membership!
---candice on 5/28/09|
Jo ann I disagree with this idea too, I think it shouldn't be withheld if someone has believed the message of the gospel and wants to be baptized then tally ho!
Church membership is an altogether different matter, and has nothing to do with believing Christ. Baptism however is directly akin to it, and in the ministry of the apostles usually accompanied it where possible.
---Pharisee on 5/28/09|
Many churches do refuse to baptize anyone who is not becoming a member of that church.
Now following the same line of reasoning how many people would John the Baptist have baptized under that line of reasoning? Baptism should take place after a profession and clear statement of a person's acceptance and receiving of the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
This question points out one of the areas of error that most denominational, self righteous,(our church or go to hell) churches engage in!!!!
---mima on 5/28/09|