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Devil Counterfeits Supernatural

The devil can ONLY counterfeit things, NOT create them. If it is worth the devil counterfeiting the supernatural things of God, why aren't more Christians showing the real supernatural?

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Thank God satan Is limited. He can do just about everything that God can do, except, read your mind. I believe he can read peoples actions & to disturb, confuse God's people from doing the supernatural things of God. Satan wants all the glory, he sure does Not deserve it. All Glory-Praise-Honor etc Belongs to God & God Only.
---Lawrence on 7/16/09

StrongAxe: I agree completely.

Leon: Thanks for noticing.
---jerry6593 on 6/18/09

Jerry & StrongAxe: Wow! I applaud you guys for your civil, respectful exchange on this blog. Wow -- you guys really raised the Christian bar for all of us! Thanks. :)
---Leon on 6/17/09


Right! This is why I generally don't tell people "you're lost" or even "you are wrong". I prefer to say "You say X, but the Bible says Y. These two points are not compatible." and let the conclusions make themselves. It's not my job to condemn people - I let them do that themselves.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/09

StrongAxe: It is apparent to me that discerning the thoughts and intents of the heart is the sole province of God. As mere mortals, we cannot know what another person truly believes in their inmost soul. We could take their word for it, but they may be deceiving us or even be deceived themselves. Therefore, since only God can know for sure, if we claim this Godly power for ourselves, we are indeed blaspheming - claiming to have the power of God.
---jerry6593 on 6/16/09


I definitely agree with most of what you just said. While I don't think that making incorrect and presumptuous statements about someone else counts as blasphemy (although it would do so to make such statements about God, or to make such statements in God's name), such presumptuous statements should always be avoided.

When unbelievers see such catfighting among Christians, they can rightly ridicule us, and as Paul quoted, "My name is blasphemed among the nations because of YOU!". What a terrible accusation that many of us will have to face on the day of Judgment.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/09

StrongAxe: Yes, I've seen them as well. That's why I've often commented that one needs thick skin to blog here. But recent entries on the "How to Blog on ChristiaNet" blog indicate that such language as "you're not saved" is not acceptable.

Call me crazy, but I believe that the decision as to who is saved and who is not rests entirely with God - not with fallible men. In fact, is it not called "blasphemy" for a mere mortal to usurp the prerogatives of God. Thus for me to say that StrongAxe is saved and Pharisee is not would be blasphemous. I hope that you both will be, but I KNOW that it will be God's decision - not mine. PTL!
---jerry6593 on 6/13/09


There have been many comments on these blogs in which one person or other has called another person apostate, heretic, unsaved, deluded, possessed, mentally ill, or worse - and such posts have all necessarily been approved by the moderators (or we wouldn't have seen them). In many of the blogs I have participated in (I guess I just tend to like the controversial subjects), they have often degenerated into nasty name-calling catfights.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/09

I said already, you're not brethren, if other people want to consider you as such they can be my guest. I've seen all the evidence I need to know you operate under a different spirit, and "if any man have not the spirit of Christ he is none of his."

You and I have no reason to speak Jerry.
---Pharisee on 6/12/09

Pharisee: "now I am joined with him, (separated from folk like you).....Why do 7th day Adventists come to this site? ....You're not Christians"

Thanks for clearing up exactly how you feel about your brothers in Christ. So what denomination do you belong to that preaches this "I'm saved, but you're not" philosophy? Don't you know that the Mods will shut you down for saying things like that?
---jerry6593 on 6/12/09

2 Timothy 3:8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

2 Thessalonians 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

Christians who are not drawn away by seducing spirits DO SHOW the Supernatural Power of GOD in us. We just don't go around and charge admission and make a 3 ring circus out of it!

The Holy Spirit in us has sealed us from and kept us from evil. Jesus prayed this for us in John 17.

We're Kept by the supernatural power OF GOD.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09

"There was nothing about the speech of Jesus that was acerbic."

Nonsense Larry, Matthew 23 is as tart as it comes! You must be one of these Adventists as you defend them as "Brothers and Sisters." They're not of my family, and therefore neither are YOU.

Leslie said that the Holy Spirit working in my life was the working of Satan! Larry, that's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, (see Matthew 12) and it proves that there's NO SENSITIVITY to God's Spirit in the self righteous defiled religious Spirit they partake of. Get thee behind me Satan!
---Pharisee on 6/11/09

Pharisee, you are discussing the moderators questions with brothers and sisters in Christ, please watch your critical spirit.
Unbelievers on this blog who are angry and looking for an argument should discover love and patience in our responses. There was nothing about the speech of Jesus that was acerbic.
From Solomon's mouth to OUR ears..
"Words from a wise man's mouth are gracious"
As to the moderators question salvation is supernatural and shown everyday. Some may be looking for the spactacular mistakenly believing its the same as supernatural. God often moves in a still small voice and everything he does is supernatural.
---larry on 6/11/09

Leslie: The devil is the master of misdirection (deception). He always (for all times) wants us to see things his way -- twisted.

There's nothing supernatural about the cheap parlor tricks (magic) that fooled the people in Moses' day & people down thru the ages. Magicians today also dupe people with their misdirected fake outs.

"The hand is quicker than the eye." No! But, if a magician can get you to momentarily change your focus, he can do very cleaver things (tricks) with his hands.

Satan's tricky (cunning) duplications can never match God's real-deal supernatural power. The devil is the master counterfeiter & dupes gullible non-believers daily.

Underestimating God is a fatal mistake!
---Leon on 6/11/09

Leslie you insult my intelligence by writing under the name "glory."
"You are WRONG" appeared exactly that way in the 7th command blog addressing myself and Betty, "separate wheat and tares" is a blog you titled yourself, and the whole "belong to God or the devil" theme is a concurrent topic in all of your false teachings on here. Pathetic.

What's further I'll give you the definition of "Pharisee" from strong's lexicon:

Of Hebrew origin (compare [H6567]), a separatist, that is, exclusively religious, a Pharisaean, that is, Jewish sectary: - Pharisee.
---Pharisee on 6/11/09

Pharisee - You are WRONG. Pharisee does NOT mean "separated one". Pharisees were the ones that Jesus HIGHLY critisized due to them being full of hypocricy (saying they belonged to God, when they really did NOT). If Jesus HIGHLY critisized them, then why would you want to have your name be one of them, which stands for anti-God, if you are a TRUE Christian. This makes me question whether or not you truly belong to God or to the devil. This is also part of knowing TRUE supernatural from the FALSE (decerning spirits - wheat from tares).
---glory on 6/11/09

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It's a pen name Jerry.
It's also a self confession to hypocrisy. Really nut, who would choose the name Pharisee?

It means separated one, but I was separated from Christ when I took pride in how good I was, now I am joined with him, (separated from folk like you) and that ONLY through what he did.
Why do 7th day Adventists come to this site? (I remember the day you showed up Jerry) You're not Christians, if you were you'd never have taken a funny name to be different from us.
When the banner reads "Adventistnet" I'll happily get out. This will no longer be a place for me, but you, WHY are you here?
---Pharisee on 6/11/09

Timothy - Supernatural is anything that occurs that can NOT be explained by natural things or science. Examples are: signs, wonders, miracles, healings, deliverance, people raised from the dead, encounters with (Jesus, angels, demons, and the devil), dreams, visions, heavenly tongues, blood signs (NOT stigmatas), encourters with Heaven or Hell, etc. Satan can counterfeit them like the women who said that Paul and Silas were from God, but yet she was into witchcraft (as a medium). To know it's from God: what source are people glorifing (God) = TRUE supernatural, (man, or Satan) = FALSE.
---Leslie on 6/11/09

As I recall, it was the Pharisees who were the prideful ones.
---jerry6593 on 6/11/09

Satan duplicated the 1st 3 plagues in Egypt, that's pretty supernatural isn't it?
He's absolutely convinced all religions that people never die,just like he told Eve!
Underestimating the enemy is a grave mistake!
---1st_cliff on 6/10/09

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Leslie: Yes, the devil can ONLY "ape" God's supernatural power, i.e., God creates -- the devil imitates. For example, God made (created) man to be a physical being. So, since the devil (nor his fallen angels -- demon spirits) CAN'T make physical bodies, the next best thing is to inhabit (POSSESS, body snatch, hijack) the already made bodies of actively practicing sinful hueman beings.

"...why aren't more Christians showing the real supernatural?"

Because many Christians, though they can't be possessed, are constantly being demon harrassed (even depressed) because they haven't put on the whole armour of God. (Eph. 6:10-20)
---Leon on 6/10/09

Leslie: What would be the real supernatural manifistations of God that you refer to? I'm not being combative, just curious as I might have a different list.
---TIMOTHY on 6/10/09

No half steppin here yall,

God's miraculous signs do appear to sinners and those who do wrong it's called discipline and if you've ever walked with God with any unification to his spirit whatsoever you've known the gentle yet thoroughly painful discipline of God's hand.

That too is "the real supernatural" and maybe some of the people you say aren't Christians or enjoy looking down on are MORE justified then you? Continue to serve your puffed up prideful nature, God opposes the proud. Heaven sees it, tuck your shirt in, crack kills.
---Pharisee on 6/10/09

\\But I also have wondered why more Christians don't have stories to tell of the miraculous intervention of God in their lives.\\

Maybe most Christians just don't notice them.
---Cluny on 6/10/09

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Cluny, I believe Leslie was refering to genuine miracles revelations etc.

Fact is the devil is so busy with ythe fake that many christians have a Paranoia towards anything which is parananormal. (i delibeartely used these two words to make my point)
---Andy3996 on 6/10/09

Leslie: Life itself is supernatural. But I also have wondered why more Christians don't have stories to tell of the miraculous intervention of God in their lives. I've got lots - many more than I deserve. Most tend to complain about their situations, but refuse to cast off their pet sins. Like any good father, God does not reward bad behavior.

Cluny: Thanks for the new addition to my vocabulary - "arriviste." (I looked it up - fits Obanma perfectly!) God doesn't stoop to anything - the supernatural is natural to Him.
---jerry6593 on 6/10/09

leslie,most christians have one foot in heaven ,and the other in the world.when living this way God will not manifest signs to them.
---tom2 on 6/10/09

The devil is the father of lies,evil,prideful,the accuser of the brethren.
God is spirit,light,truth,love,righteousness.
In other words they are complete opposites.
---tom2 on 6/10/09

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And do you actually think that God is so arriviste He would stoop to vulgar parlor tricks to prove He's more powerful than the devil?
---Cluny on 6/9/09

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