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God's True believers do not smoke. Just think about this here. A person having The Holy-Ghost & smoking, can you just see the Holy-Ghost in that person coughing - gagging -choking & the such like then saying I got to get out of this unclean person. God will Not live in an unclean temple,whether it would be smoking, alcohol, cursing, lieing, drugs etc.
---Lawrence on 9/4/09

Ken, I'm Not being judgemental. If smokers are saved, then the author (satan) of the sin nature including the filthyness & the lust of the flesh would be going also.
---Lawrence on 8/20/09

The other that you spoke of, grape-juice & wine for communion. (Wine Is The Right one)
Is your Pastor directing wine & grape-juice for communion? James 1 v 18, that's a double standard.
---Lawrence on 8/20/09

If one is the redeemed of God in Christ, their sin(S) have been propitiated for and there is NO comdemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

look at Romans 8

those who are saved KNOW the righteousness of God revealed in the GOSPEL Rm1:16-17

they actually and positivly have been taught of GOD Jn6:44-45 that is IF the Spirit of God dwelleth in them. they have by God's grace submited to Christ rigthousness Rm10:3 and understand the oNLY gospel and believe it as Abram believed God and it? was counted to him for rightuousness
---steven-rem7000 on 8/20/09

Lawrence... I do not smoke. I have about 6-12 beers a year and our congregation serves communion cups filled with wine or grape juice, your choice. Scripture tells us to be of a sober mind, to be not DRUNK with wine, it does NOT SAY not to drink it.

1Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine,

Even Messiah drank wine... and yes, it was fermented despite the objection of certain denominal teachings.

What is sin is deciding for yourself who is eternally separated from God. You have no teaching platform when you are judgemental and sure that every answer you have is perfect. You have yet to be made incorruptible.

---Ken_Rank on 8/20/09

NO Not saved. Smoking along with other filthyness of the flesh,alco-beverages etc Is Sin. God does Not & will Not live in unclean temple. Scripture says take a little wine for thy stomachs sake & that's all it says.
---Lawrence on 8/20/09

NO Not saved. Smoking along with other filthyness of the flesh,alco-beverages etc Is Sin. God does Not & will Not live in unclean temple. Scripture says take a little wine for thy stomachs sake & that's all it says.
---Lawrence on 8/20/09

We're supposed to make a distinction between...

...the things that can be seen (these things are PHYSICAL)


....things that CANNOT be seen (these things are SPIRITUAL...TRULY spiritual, not "make believe spiritual" as taught in the church of man).

God is UNSEEN (not VISUALLY known). The soul is UNSEEN (and is SPIRITUAL).

The physical state of the human body and smoking, etc. will not make a person's soul incompatible with God's spirit.

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with OUR SPIRIT that we are children of God".

2 Corinthians 4:18
"the things that are unseen are eternal".

The bible is SEEN and did not die or suffer on the cross.
---more_excellent_way on 8/18/09

Rev 3:4: Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments, and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Luke 21:36: Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
---Nana on 8/18/09

THESE ARE THE REAL THINGS of God that will make our soul "worthy", NOT things like "NOT SMOKING".

like I said WITHOUT Gods Holy Spirit there is no 'truth' to communicate ...the REAL things are found WITHIN when the Holy Spirit DWELLS within a True Christian

self professing RELIGIOUS christianity gives lip service Mark 7:6-9 and uses verses out of context so they can appear holy just and 'good'

NOTHING in Word of God IMPLIES making one "soul worthy" but it sure looks good and sounds good it just isn't from God
---Rhonda on 8/17/09

Many people have conformed to the things/ways of this world believing that whatever is 'unkempt' and 'unkooth' is of GODLY SPIRITUAL significance/value.

...but The Lord's concern (after acknowledging and loving Him) is only that we live justly with a pure/contrite heart and also always take care to convey the truth of what we have to say ("love the truth AND so BE SAVED", 2 Thessalonians 2:10)....if we do not "take care" to communicate "TRUTH", then we don't really "LOVE" the truth. THESE ARE THE REAL THINGS of God that will make our soul "worthy", NOT things like "NOT SMOKING".

Titus 1:15
"To the pure[minded], all things are pure".

Verses from RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 8/17/09

self professing RELIGIOUS christianity claims they are filled with Gods Holy Spirit YET pollute the body he DWELLS within? Acts 7:48, 17:24, 1Corin 3:15-17, 2Corin 6:16

God not being a 'respecter' of persons is pointless if person MOCKS God who DWELLS within him whether by being a drunkard, a drug user, an adulterer, excessively overweight or any other vile thing one does to pollute their bodies

If the POWER of Gods Holy Spirit TRULY filled one then smoking would simply end with prayer ...anyone can do anything through the POWER of the Holy Spirit through Christ

the name of Christ falls from MANY lips YET Christ says THEY ARE FAR FROM HIM Mark 7:6-9
---Rhonda on 8/16/09

I am a smoker and a holy ghost filled Christian. I have wondered about the validity of a smoker in the christian faith, and then one day a thought came to me, that it isnt what is taken in the body that makes it unclean but what comes out. God can save and use anyone for his glory regardless of wheter they smoke or not, as God is no respect of persons.
---Margarette on 8/16/09

I smoked from the age of 11 to 26 then made my mind up to QUIT. God give me a second chance of life WHY would I want to meet him sooner Howbeit a cruel and awful death self inflicted? .
Smoking is one of the most unsociable habits in Britain which means You will not get smoking related surgery you need if you do not quit ?

Smoking is a sin because it is self harm just like any other tools used to harm your body.

You say it's your life! However The bible says If my people called by my name... therefore you belong to God and your body is the Temple, and you Violate Gods temple?

Now ask yourself if it is sin!
---Carla3939 on 8/7/09

1.labeling one's self a christian does not save.
2.God Saves.He sent Jesus that we might have life and have it more abundantly.
3.God is good all the time,God created tobacco,LoL,marijuana for that matter.
4.physical bodies die.
5.why not enjoy God's creation while You are living? i smoke?yes.
7.He is risen!!!!!!!!!
---kevin on 8/6/09

Thank you brother Mark E. I always like your answers. I don't see some others who use to blog but maybe God has other things for them. Thanks you so much for your time and efforts, they help so much. Peace brother
---MarkV. on 7/13/09

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The answer given by---Mark_Eaton on 7/12/09 is very impressive. Very clear and in my opinion very correct!!!!
---mima on 7/13/09

thank you Mark v and Mark e
GOD is good all the Time regaurdless of our silliness

---willow on 7/12/09


You ask a mighty large question. One that is constantly fought over in these blogs.

Does our relationship to God change when we sin? Ultimately, the answer is no. We are seen by God as justified, or right with God, through the gift of righteousness given by Jesus when we accept His salvation. It was His sacrifice that made it possible for us to be righteous at all. And only through His sacrifice can we be righteous.

So can we change that gift of righteousness and justification by sinning?


Romans 11:29 teaches "for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable".
---Mark_Eaton on 7/12/09

Willow, our standing with God never changes once we are in Christ. Every single genuine believer is different in character, emotions, feelings, learning, what they did through their lives, who they hurt, their habits, some were worse then others. When Christ comes into our hearts, He begans to change us, through the Word of God, by using the Spirit to convict us of further sin and change us. Our rebirth is only the beginning of our journey. Not the end. Rebirth is called, "transformation" we are continuely been transformed and the love we have of Christ motives us to change and do what is right. Not every single time but more and more each day through the power of God. Without God there would be no change.
---MarkV. on 7/12/09

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Mima, MarK V Mark Eaton


If Christ Jesus Died for all sins and We are IN Him does our standing the GOD change when we sin?
---willow on 7/12/09

Micheal, you are right, because Scripture is right and Truth. The problem is that we are all working to that direction and not a single person has arrived to be able to keep the temple of God forever clean, at least not in this world.
When God gives us those words and we read them they should continue to convict us on the habits and sins we make through the day. The one sin which I believe everyone has or displays is pride. The one here I see is self righteous behavior. I am holy and you are not attitude. God wants humble people. God is continuing to cleas us day after day.
---Mark_V on 7/4/09


Sometimes we know somehting in our hearts because God lays it on our hearts. However, many people know something in their hearts because it's what they have been taught by their parents, and families, and peers. This is tradition, and not inspiration - and while it is often right, it is also often wrong.

For example, Mormons say you should read the Book of Mormon, and ask God to give you a feeling in your heart that it is true. Ask any Mormon and he will tell you he has read it, and gotten that feeling it is true. But ask any other Christian, and he will tell you he has the same feeling that it is false. Both of them are relying on the feeling in their heart, yet both cannot be right at the same time.
---StrongAxe on 7/3/09

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
---MIchael on 7/3/09

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Here is truth!!
Romans 14:23 "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: FOR WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN".
Now I ask you, is my over eating of FAITH? Is a person smoking of FAITH?
Let us call sin sin!!!!!
Why are we afraid of the truth? Because it condemns us!! It was through my condemnation that I sought the Lord and his mercies and his grace, and know that those characteristics are still in place. God has forgiven all who ask for forgiveness!!!
---mima on 7/3/09

Mark E. I do miss somethings many times but didn't miss James 4:17, I have dealed with that passage and is a good passage for conscience. If your conscience believes something you do is sin, whether it is or not it is, it is sin to go against conscience. Many here don't think it is sin because it is not written and many things are not written. I believe if they do believe it is sin then they should follow their conscience. And not do it. Now just because they believe it is sin it doesn't mean they can leave that habit on their own. If they go on their own they will fail. Man always fail. But if God removes that habit from them, it will be a perfect work.
---MarkV. on 7/3/09

Anne, MarkV:

I do not understand how you can miss the boat on this? This topic is similar to the body-piercing topic, to drinking, to over-eating, etc.

These things we KNOW in our heart are wrong, but yet we dismiss them because they are not discussed specifically in Scripture. But you, and I know thare is one Scripture that covers all of these items very neatly and very specifically.

James 4:17 "Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin".

This verse is written in a passage of James that talks about all kinds of things, but one theme emerges. Be humble before God and do not be proud and arrogant.

How can this be any clearer?
---Mark_Eaton on 7/3/09

Sunnie, Thank you for your remarks. God is working in my life everyday. I am not sinless. I know the struggles of many Christians. At my church I use to deal with singles, when I was single. I know their struggles so well. I was incharge of witnessing to them and singles parents have so many problems. Especially women. They don't want to look hungry for a husband because they are Christian and others will talk about them. They have to be so careful to find a real Christian brother. Yet they are in great need of a husband, so they can be like everyone else who is married and many times they think they can change someone who is not a Christian and marry them. Some go into sin in hopes the other will change and it never happens.
---MarkV. on 7/3/09

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Thanku mark! I am a lady. My real name is sunnie. I truely c the spirit of love manifest n ur responses. The lord has given me time. Every area n my life is linen up with the word of god. There is nothing impossible with our lord. I need to want it gone. I am almost there. I thank god 4 the ones like u. There is so much strife on here that it grieves me at times. Can u imagine how our father feels?
---Sunnie on 7/3/09

I agree with Mark V on this one. Smoking would be a flaw but not an actual sin. Smoking is harmful to ones body like many other items we consume.

Coke is practically like a corrosive chemical.

Sugary sweets lead to diabetes etc

Fast foods/junk food lead to clogged arteries, heart disease etc.

As children of God, we will want to watch these types of things and care for our bodies more.
---Anne on 7/2/09

Sunnie, you are not along, so many others do too. What I hear is that smoking is one of the strongest to deal with. I know God removed cussing from me. I never ask Him to remove it, it just happened. One day I realized I was not cussing anymore. It was within the first year I came to Christ. Trust in the Lord for your life always and little by little God will take it away if that is His will for your life. That might be one of the least He has to take care, and working on other habits more important. I don't know the mind of God but He is working in us. Since we are different and have different needs, His work is different. One thing for sure, if you love Him with all of your heart, He will never leave you nor forsake you. Peace brother
---MarkV. on 7/2/09

Hey mark, i agree with u. I am a christian. I smoke. I dont lie about it. I do hide it, i am ashamed of it. I want this temple to proclaim the truth. Not protrude smoke. I believe the lord wants us 2 be an example 2 people. I dont see my pastor preachn the word and smoke comming out.
---Sunnie on 7/2/09

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Mark E, I agree with you on Habitual sin but you cannot find a passage that states that smoking is a sin. You could add smoking if you think it belongs there so to you it would be sin even if it wasn't. Because your conscience believes that it is even when it is not.
What I said to Anne is true. Many have many habits that are not sin. But many times this habits bring sin. Just as smoking does many times to genuine believers. They hide, lie about their habit, in fact they feel so much conviction about smoking that smoking prevents them many times from doing the work of God. Many habits do lead to sin. Drinking would be another.
---MarkV. on 7/2/09


Herein lies the difference in our thinking.

I believe that smoking is less about the act and more about the relationship gulf it causes with Jesus.

Sin ultimately separates us from God. What we as Christians need to be more concerned with, is not the "act" of sin but what does it do to my relationship with Jesus. Our relationship with Jesus needs the be the most important thing in our life. It is the reason we do not want to sin, not because it is forbidden, but rather we want our Lord and Saviour to be pleased with our conduct.

Our daily prayer should be Psalm 19:14 "let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heard be acceptable in thy sight, Oh Lord, my strength and my Redeemer".
---Mark_Eaton on 7/2/09

MarkEaton~ I still think this subject is more about self-righteousness (what men view as sin or righteousness) more than about actual sin (what God proclaims as sin).

There will be a judgment Day when God will judge each and every person in 100% fairness. He will judge the American Indians who never heard of Christ, but many of these were not wild Indians scalping white men, but many followed ways of righteousness and followed the laws written in their heart which is true godliness.

Now perhaps these men smoked peace pipes...I fail to see the 'sin'. There are grieveous sins listed all in the Bible, but smoking is comparable to eating 'fast-food' basically. It's more of a flaw than an actual sin.
---Anne on 7/2/09

Willow, you are not the only one struggling with a habit of some kind. Some with the habits of over eating, others with bad habits against wife are family. When we came to Christ, our rebirth was only the beginning of our journey. There is a lot of cleaning God has to take care of in every persons life. It does not happen in a the twinkling of an eye. Some go right away, others God permits us to struggle with until He is ready to remove it from our lives. Smoking is bad because you have to hide so no other brother will see you. You have to lie if they ask you if you smoke. You miss missions you could go to but don't because you might want to smoke. Guilt comes in because of smoking. Every habit is that way.
---MarkV. on 7/2/09

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I strongly disagree with you, not on the basis of the type of sin involved, but from the lack of surrender that is involved.

We as Christians want to forget the importance of surrendering our body to God for righteousness. We openly declare Gal. 5:16 "Walk in the Spirit" but forget about Romans 12:1 "present your body a living sacrifice".

In fact, Romans chapter 6 tells us that WE are "presenting the members of our body to sin". This is the predominate reason we Christians have no power over sin. We simply do not want to give God our bodies.

This lack of surrender is the reason why habitual sin is difficult for Christians to stop. Smoking is only one of these habits.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/2/09

Anne, I seem to always disagree with you when you speak of sin of others, but on this blog I agree with you. You did say something here that you should look at and remember on the other blogs,

" Is this a ploy of the devil to get us to look at the speck in someone else's eye, and not see the plank in our own?"

I sure would hope that you remember those words when you are addressing someone's else's sins.
What you answered to Strongaxe is very true, what Strongaxe said is very true. There is not one moment in a persons life that he misses the mark set by God. If we judge every act of others we are wrong. We should judge our own acts and correct them.
---MarkV. on 7/2/09


The Old Testament law contained a large shopping list of "things one must not do". Such specific lists what one must give to children who can follow orders, but can't reason for themselves. Jesus dispensed with all that, and taught us to follow general principles (Love God and your neighbor) which covers all of that. Adults are capable of thinking in terms of generalities, and then deriving all the specific details from them.

For example, you can just tell an adult "Electricity is dangerous", while you must tell children "Don't put a fork in the wall socket. Don't put keys in a wall socket. Don't put your finger in a wall socket. Don't put a fork in the toaster" etc.
---StrongAxe on 7/1/09


Thank you for you wanting to kick me lol
My answer
Yes of course GOD would continue to permit me to smoke.
However there is discipline because we take for granted the Grace of GOD.

My salvation is secure in Christ.

I again thank you for your thoughts and question and want to return the favor in the same spirit.

Will GOD permit you to keep taking His word out of context to prove your point ?

please reread the whole chapter and see if it applies smoking.
---willow on 7/1/09

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Mark Eaton~ I sort of understand what you're saying, but in other ways I don't.

There are so many grieveous sins, but smoking seems like such a trivial or 'speck' type sin next to most of them. It seems like just living in this world in general 'destroys' our temples with all the pollution, fast food, stressful living etc.

I get your point, but if Jesus had His choice between being in a room filled with 'goody-goodies' type folk (average church crowd), and being in a room filled with people with flaws such as smoking, tattoos, etc but really wanted to live for Jesus and surrender to Him and repent of serious sin (typical AA crowd) I think Jesus might choose the latter.
---Anne on 7/1/09

StrongAxe ~ I agree with a lot of what you said. You're right Jesus did not exactly say we should not

drink -(but rather against drunkenness)

dance -(but the Bible teaches against lewd behaviors frequently, but dancing for fun or especially to glorify God are good)

cuss -(but the Bible teaches us that revilers, backbiters etc. are not His...but I'm sure most Christians catch themselves accidentally saying a bad word in a pressure moment. Even then I think we need to be watchful of ourselves.)

movies-(as long as movies are mostly clean that is cool...but most movies are not pure and have negative influence which are best to stay clear of.)

I'm sure you meant all this as well, but just making sure. Take care.
---Anne on 7/1/09


Everyone needs a good friend who can kick them in the arse every now and then when they are messing up. Let me be this for you on smoking.

Everyone quotes 1 Cor 3:16 "Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" in relationship to every bad thing done in our bodies. We have all heard it.

But seldom do people read the next verse, which is very telling for us all who do not take care of our bodies.

1 Cor 3:17 says "If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are".

What do you think? Will God permit you to destroy your body with smoking and do nothing about it?
---Mark_Eaton on 7/1/09


I recall the Bible condemning fornication and adultery. I don't recall it condemning drinking (except to excess), and smoking not at all. By condeming these two things, you are adding more burdens unto the law.

Remember, Jesus died to free us from the yoke of the law.

If an uneducated unbeliever were to walk into (say) a Baptist church for the first time, and after spending an hour there, someone asked him what the Ten Commandments were, he might answer:
1. Thou shalt not smoke
2. Thou shalt not drink
3. Thou shalt not dance
4. Thou shalt not cuss
5. Thou shalt not go to the movies...

Jesus didn't die to heap a whole pile of "thou shalt not"s on us. He nailed those to the cross.
---StrongAxe on 6/30/09

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Why do some of you here call smoking a sinful act? Is smoking mentioned anywhere in the Bible?


Obedience to God's true commands is true righteousness (the updated 10 commandments of NT etc)


Obedience to man's manmade commands is self-righteousness

Is it worse to be someone who smokes, or someone who doesn't smoke but is always pointing fingers at smokers?

I don't smoke, but since the Bible nowhere mentions smoking, why should we judge others who do? Is this a ploy of the devil to get us to look at the speck in someone else's eye, and not see the plank in our own?
---Anne on 6/30/09

HEY Pharisee

Then according to the the majority here you and I are unlawfull sinners condemned to the pit but then again
but they think C.H. Spurgeon is a kinda fish dish.nuk,nuk,nuk.
we all need to read the bible in context and not listen to the silly nonsense of the modern romanists. you know those legalist who would place burdens on others and NEVER so much obey their own standards which in Gods word are incorrect.

I am so glad for Galatans 2:20

20 I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

blessings on you bro..PM
---willow on 6/30/09

Strong-Axe. If those people will Fully repent & Not do such any more of the sinful acts as like smoking,alcho-beverages,drugs, adultery,fornication etc,then they'l have a better chance.
---Lawrence on 6/30/09


It sounds like you are saying that "nobody who is imperfect will be in the New Jerusalem". While this may be true, any perfect that we will have will not come by our own efforts - it is impossible for us to perfect ourselves.

As the bumper sticker says, "Christians aren't perfect - just forgiven".
---StrongAxe on 6/29/09

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Saved, NO !! God is Not going to let such filth as smoking,dope,alch-beverages etc that people messed up their lives-souls (these people are sinners)with in The New Jerusalem, even the New Heaven & The New Earth.
---Lawrence on 6/28/09

Christians who smoke are saved, they just have a stonghold, or addiction that needs to be broken (delivered from). It is NOT up to us to judge, but let the Holy Spirit deal with it.
---Leslie on 6/27/09

I like a good cigar once in a while.
---Pharisee on 6/24/09

\\-Smoking does not cause people to act irresponsible while drinking does.
-Smoking does not cause car collisions, while drinking can.
-Smoking does not break up marriages,cause abusive behavior etc. while drinking can
-Smoking is not listed as a sin leading to hell, while drunkenness is.

1. But smoking CAN be an irresponsible behavior, as it was with my mother who got cancer of the maxillary sinus which left her left side of her face a gaping hole from smoking.

2. It can when the smoker lights up or spills ashes at the wrong time while driving.

3. I've heard of smoking breaking up marriages.

4. Gluttony likewise is a sin leading to hell, but you didn't mention it. Why?
---Cluny on 6/24/09

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Susie ... addiction is not the same as drunkeness.

I've told before about a lady, an alcoholic. Not had a drink for years, nor wanted to ... through the strength that God gave her. That is what you are talking about.

But she still had the addiction, which meant that when a "friend" slipped tasteless alcohol into a soft drink, and she unknowingly drank it, she suddenly had this unexplainable (to her) craving for alcohol.

That is the alcoholism, which is medical condition remaining in the body. That is why the alcoholic needs God's strength to avoiud drinking
---alan8566_ofd_uk on 6/24/09

Years ago, I heard someone ask a preacher "Can smokers go to heaven?", and he replied "Yes they can. In fact, they'll get there a lot sooner than the rest of us!"
---StrongAxe on 6/24/09

Susie: Again, you twist my words, much like the addicts I work with in the hospital.

I never said God's promises were not guaranteed. I just believe that deliverance looks differently for different people.

You never replied to my thoughts about your expertise on addictions and brain chemistry. What research have you done on this subject? I suppose you also believe that diabetes is not a disease, and that every diabetic is guaranteed deliverance from that too.
---Trish9863 on 6/23/09

KarenD~ Loved your testimony!

Trish~ Yes, I agree, groups like AA can be an amazing tool/group to help people recover from addictions and is based on spiritual concepts to continue in daily. I have known many people in AA who I love! I have never been one to drink, and never drunk, but I have so much admiration for the triumphant testimonies in that group. God bless.
---Anne on 6/23/09

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I have a hard time seeing 'smoking' as any more of a 'serious sin' than someone who enjoys eating chocolates.

Smoking is not healthy, but neither are chocolates really.

Smoking is not like excessive drinking because:

-Smoking does not cause people to act irresponsible while drinking does.
-Smoking does not cause car collisions, while drinking can.
-Smoking does not break up marriages,cause abusive behavior etc. while drinking can
-Smoking is not listed as a sin leading to hell, while drunkenness is.

I personally can't stand to smoke, but I don't judge others who do.

I've honestly enjoyed more smokers company than the more 'uptight' people.
---Anne on 6/23/09

Trish...So, you don't think that God's promises are guaranteed? That's where we disagree. God will deliver anyone who wants deliverance. I've known too many people who used to be drunks and druggies who were delivered by the Lord to think that He doesn't do it today.
---SusieB on 6/23/09

SusisB ... "I don't buy that drugs, alcohol, smoking, etc., are addictions. I believe they are sin"

They are neither sins, nor addictions ... those things are either actions or things.

Bue excessive consumption of any is sinful, and may lead to addiction. Addiction itself is not a sin, but the result of sin.

If you drive too fast (sinful) and become a quadraplegic, that condition is not a sin.

The addiction remains even when the smoking or drinking has stopped, for if an addict smokes or drinks again, even after 20 years abstinence, they are dragged down the slippery slope again.
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/23/09

SusieB: I am probably the only person on these blogs to challenge you is all.

As for addictions, I guess you are an expert in medicine and have done all the research on the brain and addiction that has been done by the research scientists in the addictions field. I also guess that you have studied all the empirical evidence that is available for the effects of addictive substances on the bodies and brains of the people addicted.

I never said that God does not deliver people from addictions. I totally believe He can and does. I have said that it is NOT always a guaranteed thing, and that sometimes He uses other means to help people heal, like AA, therapy and treatment.
---Trish9863 on 6/23/09

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I smoked for a short time years ago, laid them down and never smoked again. I drank occasionally and did get drunk. Quit and never drank again. Before I got saved, I gambled, but quit when I realized what a poor witness it was. I don't miss gambling, smoking or drinking and am not tempted to do any of these things. I know too many people who have been delivered by the Lord to accept that you can't stop smoking, drinking, etc. Instead of living for the world, I chose to live for Jesus and gave HIM my entire life, not just part of it. HE made me into a new woman. Why cling to what the Lord has delivered you from?
---KarenD on 6/23/09

Trish...I don't offend everyone. Just you! You get mad when I say that the Lord can deliver people from so-called addictions. I don't buy that drugs, alcohol, smoking, etc., are addictions. I believe they are sin. You'll probably need to go to one of your AA meetings now! But, I know too many people who have been delivered from their sin by the Lord!
---SusieB on 6/23/09

Smoking is a 'speck' sin...but we should not stand in judgment if someone smokes. It may be seen as a 'stumbling block' to other Christians so it is best to not smoke real openly if possible.
---Anne on 6/22/09
That depends of whether the smoker respects the rights of non-smokers. In some cases, it harms people other than the smoker themselves.

I have a very severe allergy to tobacco smoke. The second hand smoke can cause a bad asthma attack. I used to spend hundreds of dollars a month on doctors and drugs until they outlawed smoking in our office. When the smoking stopped, so did the drugs and medical bills. I did not even know the source of the original problem until I was tested for allergies by a pulmonary specialist.
---obewan on 6/23/09

Yes, the Bible says that all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. None of us are perfect, and will not be until Jesus returns. We are being conformed to be like Him. There are covert sins and overt sins. Sins you can see and sins that are done in private. Like stealing a pen or hating someone. Sanctification is a process. Thank God for His Mercy.
---FAYE on 6/23/09

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Nowhere in the Bible does it say smoking is a sin. However if this habit is stealing time and money away from God or your family then you may want to give it up. Also, if someone asks you to think of a sin or an area of your life that you wish to change and smoking is your first thought, you may want to stop the habit for that reason as well.
---TIMOTHY on 6/23/09

SusieB: How do you know people's hearts so well? Can you read their minds? I know plenty of people in addictions to many different things that struggle with the desire to quit, but the body's craving of the addictive substance makes it actually painful to quit.

Speak only for yourself. You offend people when you mindread.
---Trish9863 on 6/23/09

I do not smoke but did for years. As I understand the Bible it is a sin to do harm to your body and I believe smoking and drinking to excess is harmful. Lets pray for smokers that they will be able to beat this habit with the help of God.
---Jacqueline on 6/23/09

there is nothin in the bible that says you can not smoke or drink wine. Most christiann dont not smoke or drink to set an example that they are seperate from the world.
But when you become drunk, then you are sinning. the bible dose say not to be drunken. and that applies to all things thats we abuse and would affect our judgment.
---batieste on 6/22/09

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People who continue to smoke do it because they don't want to stop. I have known heathens who quit smoking cold turkey when they were ready to quit. My husband was delivered of 2-1/2 pack a day habit when he prayed to the Lord. Of course, he had to throw the last pack away and not buy anymore. But, the Lord gave him the strength because he wanted to live for the Lord.
---SusieB on 6/22/09

Smoking is a 'speck' sin I believe. The Bible talks of grieveous sins, but we should not stand in judgment if someone smokes. It may be seen as a 'stumbling block' to other Christians so it is best to not smoke real openly if possible.
---Anne on 6/22/09

Amen Augie

JESUS came to save us from sin. We struggle with all manners of sin. Smoking is one of them. We need to pray and work with those who are slaves to tobacco. Not condemn them.
---Samuel on 6/22/09

Mar 7:15 there is nothing from without the man, that going into him can defile him, but the things which proceed out of the man are those that defile the man.
---john on 6/22/09

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Jesus asked, "What think ye of Christ? Whose Son is He? Who do people say I am? And Who do YOU say I am?"

Does this sound like, "What think ye of tobacco?"
---Cluny on 6/22/09

Yes, I believe that Christians who smoke can be saved. The same holds for Christians who drink alcohol, gamble, or struggle with other rather nasty habits. Personally, I don't smoke because it is unhealthy. However, God might very well be working on smokers to help them overcome their "fix". Who am I to judge them?
---Augie on 6/22/09

Depends on what their hearts look like. Men look on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart. After I was saved, I smoked for 1.5 yrs, because I was addicted to nicotine. But I cut down and eventually stopped with encouragement from Christian friends and the Lord's help. Was I still saved while I smoked? Yes, no doubt about that.
---Vicki on 6/22/09

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