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When Adam and Eve were in the Garden, they were told not to touch the tree (first tithe) - they touched it and sin came upon mankind. When you don't tithe the Bible says you are robbing (stealing from) God. Why do people still not tithe? Comments?

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Gary: I read your entries carefully, I still
disagee with you.
You seemed to overlook the texts that I gave you and that you asked for.
You also suggest that I not pay so much attention to what others say on the suject, yet you dont mind reading many comentators that you like. What's with that?
---Pierre on 7/9/09

Proof that Malachi is being spoken to the priests and not the people. Read the entire book of Malachi - it is short. You will see the entire book is a conversation between God and the priests. See: Mal. 1:6 and 2:1. Chapter 3 continues where Chapter 2 ends, and God is still speaking to the priests. Mal. 3:5 "...And I will come near to you to judgment.." In that period of time, and generally speaking, ONLY the priests could get close to God. Mal. 1:14, Neh. 13:10, Mal. 3:10. If Malachi is spoken to the people it doesn't make sense. Also, Mal. 3:7 refers to the law, therefore, robbing God only applies to those under the Levitical priesthood.
---Gary on 7/9/09

Pierre - It appears you don't read my posts, or if you do, you don't check out the scripture I quote. I have already shown that Malachi 3:7-11, regarding robbing God, was addressed to the priests and has absolutely nothing to do with the New Testament.

If you choose to ignore the scriptures and follow what man is teaching you, so be it.

I am following the scriptures as written. You are follow the scriptures as changed by man in the second half of the 1800s. Do a little research.
---Gary on 7/8/09

Preachers who try to place others under the curse of the law violate Romans 8:1-17 and Galatians 1:6-9. Tithes were paid on most Israeli grown vegetables, and some Israeli raised domesticated animals (Leviticus 27:30-32), by Israelites in Israel. Tithes were paid to Levites, Numbers 18:21, 24. Levites paid a tithe to the Priests, Numbers 18:26-28. Tithes were not always accepted, Deuteronomy 23:18. Tithes were not paid on money owed, Matthew 5:23-24. Tithes were salaries approximately equaling the median. Christians give voluntary offerings and alms with joy.
p.s. Acts 13:39, Romans 3:20, 28, Galatians 2:16, 3:10-13.
p.s.2 Help poor brother, and not oppress him, Job 36:15, Psalm 12:5, 72:4, Ecclesiastes 7:7, Ezekiel 22:7, 29.
---Glenn on 7/8/09

Pierre said "What was once the store house of God is now the treasury of the Church."

Show me scripture where the storehouse of God is now the treasury of the church. That's from man, not scripture.

Tithing in the scriptures had nothing to do with love, or with being good stewards. It was required. Gifts, or offerings, show love. Abraham GAVE a tenth - that was free-will.

In the New Testament, giving to the church is NOT giving to God. Read your bible and stop listening to what others are telling you.
---Gary on 7/8/09

Gary: Where does the Lord ask His people to bring the tithe?"Bring all he tithe into my storehouse" Malachi 3:10/Nehemia 13:12
To what does the Lord refer when He speaks of His storehouse? IN MALACHI 3:10 GOD REFERS YO THE STOREHOUSE AS "mine house" which means the TEMPLE or THE CHURCH, The texts further point out that the tithe is to be brought to "the temple treasury", which is God's storehouse.
Other texts that refer to the storehouse as the temple treasury are:
1 Chonicles 9:26 see margin
2 Chroniles 31:11-12 see margin
Nehemia 10:37-38
---Pierre on 7/8/09

Matt 22. The coin,render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's (taxes),and to God the things are God's,(Tithes & Offerings).
---Lawrence on 7/8/09

Show me ONE verse in the Bible that even hints that giving to a church is giving to God. Show me ONE verse in the Bible where God authorizes the church to accept His tithe.

God said the tithe belongs to Him and He gave it to the Levites. What right do you have to take your tithe to your church when it belongs to God, who gave it to the Levites? Isn't that stealing from God?
---Gary on 7/8/09

Gary:NB How does the Lord refer to people who do not return His 10% and do not give offerings? He calls tem robbers. Do you think it is ok to steal from God? Do you know what will be the outcome of such thieves? Read 1 COR 6:10 no thieves...will inherit the kingdom!
What was good under Melchisedek is still good for today, and those who put the Lord to the tests have come away more blessed than
they thought possible.
PS. What was once the store house of God is now the treasury of the Church.
Finally it is not a question of LAW stricty speaking ,it is more a question of LOVE that encourages us to be good stewards.
---Pierre on 7/8/09

Does Math 23:23 not show that Jesus endorsed the tithe principal?
---Pierre on 7/7/09

Jesus was born, lived, and died under the OLD TESTAMENT. The New Testament doesn't begin until AFTER Jesus died on the cross.

In Matthew 23:23 Jesus was speaking to the law keepers. He even references the law in the verse. Of course he taught tithing to those who were still under the Old Testament laws.

Jesus was not talking to us in Matthew 23:23.
---Gary on 7/8/09

Lawrence - Give me scripture to show that God ever required anyone to tithe on anything that man made or earned.

In biblical times they had wages, income, markets to buy and sell, money, etc. yet tithing was NEVER on income. Read your Bible. Tithing was ALWAYS on crops and animals, ASSETS that came from GOD, not income that came from man's labor.

In the tithing formula, around 1870 church leaders REPLACED GOD with man! God NEVER asked or commanded anyone to give back to Him a tenth of what anyone makes or earns.
---Gary on 7/8/09

The tithe doctrine is a bogus man-made doctrine created out of a lack of faith and/or greed. The O.T. command was to EAT the tithe. It was an ANNUAL celebration. Stop the INDOCTRINATION! All who rely on observing the law are under a curse. For it is written, Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do EVERYTHING wriiten in the Book of the Law. You rob God by not obeying ALL the LAW!
---michael on 7/8/09

Matt 22. The coin,render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's (taxes),and to God the things are God's,(Tithes & Offerings).
---Lawrence on 7/8/09

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The problem is that you do not know what Malachi is saying to the new testament church.
There is no New Testament without the old we have two immutable covenants meaning neither can be done away. The church is Spiritual you cannot apply carnal knowledge of the scripture to a spiritual church, The carnal has to be translated by the Holy Spirit into spiritual wisdom and knowledge, then it can be received in the light that it was intended by God to be preached. Carnal Christians will never see the light.
---exzucuh on 7/8/09

Malachi 2:1-2 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

We are a holy priesthood NOT after the house of Aaron, but after the Melchizedek priesthood.
Melchizedek was neither Jew or gentile he was a created being, having neither father or mother. He was a Spiritual priest, Jesus is made a priest after this order. WE are under spiritual laws not Carnal laws, THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE, THE LAW OF LIBERTY. If we do not bring Glory to the Name of Jesus, our blessings will be cursed.
---exzucuh on 7/8/09

Malachi 3:1-2 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Malachi is telling us that the Baptism of Fire will come with the the new covenant, IT will purge sin from believers and the Law will be fulfilled in them by the fruit of their lives.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh(Carnal Law)profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
---exzucuh on 7/8/09

Pierre - You wrote: "The tithe never is mine to start with! It belongs to the Lord."

In Numbers 18:24 the Lord said the tithe belongs to Him and He gave the tithe to the Levites. What right do you have to give what belongs to God to someone not authorized to receive His tithe? Where, in the scriptures, did God give YOU permission to take the tithe to your church? If you believe the command to tithe is valid today, why aren't you following it? A Levite must be from the tribe of Levi, and according to the book of Numbers, must be a male, at least 25 years of age, and MUST retire once he reaches the age of 50.
---Gary on 7/7/09

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The tenth of your gross income (whether it's from your job,s sec,money that was given to you,even money from contest winnings etc) does belong to God if you are a Christian. If you give the net of your gross,then when you get back a tax-refund, there's tithe that needs to be given from that to make up from the gross that you didn't give. I believe this also pertains to time given to God. You got to read God's Word & pray,even talk to others about The Lord.
---Lawrence on 7/8/09

Hey, Nobody is saying we aren't required to be good stewards. Nor does anybody here say we are not expected to give to the Lord's work. To whom much is given, much is required. It is between every individual and God to determine what is "much". A lot of times this turns out to be more than a tenth.

The tithe was commanded to be given to the temple in Jerusalem. That temple no longer exists.

The NT says (2Cr 9:7) Every man according as he purposes in his heart, [so let him give], not grudgingly, or of NECESSITY: for God loves a cheerful giver.
---Donna66 on 7/7/09

Does Math 23:23 not show that Jesus endorsed the tithe principal?
---Pierre on 7/7/09

Let me add that I agree 100% with you Lee when you say that "in the flesh" it is impossibl to obey the law BUT when I accept Jesu's gift I am empowered to do all things through Christ who gives me the strength, to live a life of appreciation for having saved me!
---Pierre on 7/7/09

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Pierre - Mal. 3:10 is Old Testament. The book of Malachi is being spoken to the priests, not the people. See Mal. 1:6. Mal. 1:14 is where God gives the example of the priests robbing Him of the offerings. Nehemiah 13:10 is where it shows the priests had robbed God of the tithe by taking the Levites portion. But the most important is Mal. 3:7 where God says, "ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them." God is taking about His ordinance, or commands, which ENDED at the cross. Conclusion: Malachi has NOTHING to do with the New Testament or the Christian Church.
---Gary on 7/7/09

Those who use Malachi 3:8-10 contradict themselves. First, they usually leave out verse 7: " are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them." Notice the word ordinances is plural. Then God says He was robbed of tithes AND OFFERINGS. You say those that don't tithe are robbing God. That tithing is a command. What about offerings? You say they are voluntary. Malachi says it is an ORDINANCE (command). The ORDINANCE of offerings is: The Levites were commanded to give a tenth of the tithe to the PRIESTS who were to use the best part as an OFFERING to the Lord. MALACHI IS SPOKEN TO THE PRIESTS.
---Gary on 7/7/09

Malachi 3:10: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse....."

The people took the tithe to the Levites in the Levitical cities, NOT to the temple. (Nehemiah 10:37)

The Levites took a tenth of the tithe to the temple. (Numbers 18:28 and Nehemiah 10:38)

Conclusion: Only the tenth of the tithe paid by the Levites ever went to the temple, therefore, only that could be taken to the storehouse. The tithe from the people NEVER went to the storehouse. Malachi 3:10 had NOTHING to do with the tithe from the people.
---Gary on 7/7/09

Gary, your right about Hebrew. What I believe is happening here in the passage clearly states that the law dealt only with the temporal existence of Israel. The forgiveness which could be obtained even on the Day of Atonement was temporary. Those who ministered as priest under the law were mortals receiving their office by heredity. The Levitical system was domininated by matters of physical existence and transitory ceremonialism, and because Jesus is the eternal Second Person of the Godhead, Christ priesthood cannot end. He obtained His priesthood was not by virtue of the law but by virtue of His deity. The law was weak in that it could not save or bring about inward change in a person, Rom 8:3. The law saved no one, rather it cursed everyone.
---MarkV. on 7/7/09

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Thanks for the reference in Hebrews. Many people just quote the passages they've learned from their church...never look into the whole Word of God to see if it verifies what they are taught.
---Donna66 on 7/6/09

Funny! I just found a text that seems to show that God did NOT change His plan for the support of the Gospel ministry in that He challenges us to try Him and to see what He will do if/when we are faithful stewards. See Mal 3:10
---Pierre on 7/6/09

Obewan:Sorry, I did not mean to be judgmental.
However let me say clearly that I see a difference between "offerngs" and "tithe"
The tithe never is mine to start with! It belongs to the Lord. Offerings however are not a defined amount, it is a freewill gift that can be as much as I want to give, but is NOT THE SAME AS TITHE which is 10% exactly!
You may noy agree with me and that is ok.
---Pierre on 7/6/09

I believe I have found a verse in the New Testament that cancels tithing.

Hebrews 7 talks about Melchizedek's priesthood, Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek, Levi receiving and paying the tithe under the Levitical priesthood, and the new priesthood of Jesus Christ. Read and study:
Hebrews 7:18 (KJV)
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

I believe Hebrews 7:18 annuls tithing for the new priesthood.
---Gary on 7/6/09

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Gary I am not ging to argue... Hope before it is too late you will give it another look.
---Pierrre on 7/5/09
You must not be reading his posts, and here you are being very judgemental! I am sure I heard him say that he gives more than 10%, but he does not do so out of legal obligation or call it a tithe. He correctly refers to it as a freewill "offering."

Are you saying a curse will be called down on him because he uses the wrong term? Let's hope not!

I am more inclined to believe that all those churches that do not honor the poor tithe (1/3 of all tithes must go to poor) are going to be judged for "robbing" God - a person can give 10% and still "tithe" wrong if you want to be legalistic!
---obewan on 7/6/09

actually theres nothing we can steal from God.when we disobey in any area of our lives we arent stealing from him,but really we are stopping any blessings from God. God will not be mocked,for if you arent a giver,then how in the world can you expect God to give to you,or bless you?
---tom2 on 7/6/09

The "tithe" was actually the temple tax of the Old Testament Jews. There is no New Testament "tithe," as there is no longer a temple and we are not all Jews obligasted to it's upkeep.
In the Book of Acts Ananias and Saphira committed to giving to the Apostles money they made on the sale of land, but instead kept part of it for themselves. They both died instantly when they were told they were "stealing from God.(sic)." Tithing, I believe, is a misinterpreted concept.
---Tom on 7/6/09

Gary I am not ging to argue with you. I will gladly pay the tithe of my income and not rob God! Hope before it is too late you will give it another look.
As far as the law of God is concered, I believe that it has always existed otherwise there could be no sin--no death. Rom 5:12-14
(cf. Rom 4:15/1 John 3:4 and Rom 6:23)
---Pierrre on 7/5/09

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Pierre - Prov. 3:9 - Hebrew dictionary shows that "all thine increase" means all the crops. Increase refers to CROPS. NOT income. Leviticus 27:30-34 refers to crops and animals which are ASSETS, not income, and come from GOD, not from man. Deut. 14:22-23 refers to the festival tithe, which again, has NOTHING to do with income. Math.23:23 is referring to the law and has nothing to do with the Christian Church. 1 Cor,9:13-14 has NOTHING to do with tithing. Malachi 3:8 is spoken to the priests. Start with Malachi 1. Malachi 3:10 refers to the storehouse and the people took the tithe to the Levites IN THE LEVITICAL CITIES, not to the temple. Only the tenth of the tithe paid by the Levites went to the temple and storehouse.
---Gary on 7/5/09

Pierre - Yes, the law ended at the cross. Read Romans 3:9-26. Read Colossians 2:13-17. Galatians 5:18 (NIV):
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. Galatians 3:19 (NIV):
What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. UNTIL THE SEED TO WHOM THE PROMISE REFERRED HAD COME.

There's tons more to show the law ended.
---Gary on 7/5/09

Before we start spending we are to honor God by giving Him his part first, Prov 3:9
What part of our inome does the Lord claim as His? Leveticus 27:30.
To teach His children good steewrdship He used the "tithe priciol" Deut. 14:22-23
How was the tithe used? Numbers 18:21.
Christ endorsed tithing Math.23:23
How does Paul suggest the gospel ministry be supported?(1 Cor,9:13-14.)
God tells us that we robb Him if we do not brng offrings ad tithe to support the ministry.(Malachi 3:8)
How does God suggest that we test His promise to bless us if we are faithful stewards. (Malachi 3:10)
There is more but that should get you started
reconsidering your ways.
---Pierre on 7/5/09

Gary: you state that the Law ended at the cross!
Are you saying then that SIN no longer exists?
I thought the Bible taught that SIN is the trangession of the law? Mmmmme?!
---Pierre on 7/5/09

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The tree in the Garden was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. There is no Knowledge of Good or evil but the law. The law was given to Moses to give to the children of Israel because they were ignorant of the law and every man did what was right in his own eyes. The law was from the beginning, In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. All of Gods word is law, God gave only one commandment to Adam, only one Law to live by, That was to not eat of the Tree of Knowledge. But of the tree of life he could eat. Jesus is the tree of life. He is made wisdom and knowledge unto us. We eat of him, his flesh and live, we drink of him his blood and live.
---exzucuh on 7/5/09

Pierre - The law ended at the cross. Period. As far as tithing before the law, you are contradicting Jesus Himself in Matthew 23:23 where Jesus tells us tithing is "of the law." Before the law, tithing was GIVEN. The Israelites PAID the tithe. Abraham GAVE a tithe. BIG DIFFERENCE. To tithe has nothing to do with giving. Tithing was an obligation, NOT from the heart. Giving is from the heart. The Lord tithe - yes, God claimed it to be His, and He gave it to the Levites. Show me where God changed that command so that you have a right to give His tithe to the church. If it isn't in the scriptures, it isn't God's word.
---Gary on 7/4/09

Pierre - Please give me scripture to show where God claims one-tenth of our income. Please give me scripture to show where God instigated the tithe before the Mosaic law. Give me scripture to show that the tithe is to be used to support the gospel ministry.

I have read exactly what you say from books written by Ellen White, SDA, but there is NO scripture to back it up. Give me scripture.

The only way we can identify false teaching is when it doesn't line up perfectly with the Word of God. What you write is far from what is in the scriptures, but lines up perfect with SDA beliefs.
---Gary on 7/4/09

God claims one-seventh of our time-the Sabbath- and God claims one-tenth of our imcome-The Tithe-as His. Both are holy. God uses them to test our selfishness. It is His desire to remove selfishness from our hearts through faithful stewardship of our time nd money. The tithe was instituted by God long before the Mosaic laws were given to Israel . It is to be used to support the gospel ministry. Malachi3:8-11 It is to be placed in the church treasury for the support of God's work.
Jesus endorsed THE TITHE principal. Our responce to His call to be faithful stewards is important.He wants us to give cheerfuly because we love Him and in return He promises to bless us abudently.
---Pierre on 7/4/09

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Pierre - you stated, "But I do know why many peope stil don't tithe. It is because they are selfish and ignorant as to what the Bible teaches on the subject."

First of all, I do not tithe because I have studied the scriptures, have written a book on the subject, and actually teach pastors on this topic. But I GIVE much more than 10% of my income.

If you tithe, you have put yourself under the law. I, myself, choose grace over the law. The law ended at the cross. You need to do some research on tithing. It's easy. Do a google or yahoo search for tithing today.
---Gary on 7/4/09

Actually God did not say a word about not touching it. [Genesis 2:17]. Adam was not to eat the fruit. Cause I looked up scripture. The scripture and the fruit does not tie together....Tithing>>>Preachers, preaches it a lot, because they depend on God helping them through people in support of their ministries. That's the way I am understanding it from God. Your false preachers is a different story. They ought to starve to death.
---catherine on 7/4/09

From a web search:
"Since Adam was put in the Garden of Eden to work it, the claim by some pastors is that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represented a tithe. This is a convenient assumption at best and twisted logic at worst. If the "tree" was indicative of a tithe, then to whom were Adam and Eve giving the tithe to? To God? God doesn't need anything since He owns everything. As we will observe later, the tithe was always given to God for the purpose of serving those in need."
---Nana on 7/4/09

I don't know how you equate the tree of life with thithe. But I do know why many peope stil don't tithe. It is because they are selfish and ignorant as to what the Bible teaches on the subject.
---Pierre on 7/3/09

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there was no law established in the garden,or in the tree of knowledge,the law came later.And the tree has nothing to do with tithing.
---tom2 on 7/3/09

Matthew 17:25-26 Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

The temple tax is what we call tithe it was money to keep the temple repaired and it's expenses paid, Jesus very plainly told peter that children of the King were free and that strangers had to pay. The Children of the kingdom of God do not pay tithe but they do support their church and ministries and they are not bound by a percentage Jesus said if you have two coats give one to him who has need. Don't lat up treasure upon the earth use your resources to promote the kingdom and you will have treasure in heaven.
---exzucuh on 7/2/09

Paul told timothy to tell those in the church
who were rich, them being people who had more than they needed, to give. because God had given to them their riches to be good managers over it, Jesus said that the widow who gave only a half of a cent had given more than anyone because she gave all she had. God recognizes what ever a person gives knowing the sacrifice that was made he doers not bless by the amount but the heart of giving. The 100-60-30 fold blessing is not about money but the preaching of Gods word, Jesus said that the seed is the word of God Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. The seed is The word not money.
---exzucuh on 7/2/09

Leslie, you're coming out of left field with this theory - where in the world did you come up with it? Please provide scripture references for your erroneous theory.

And why do you assume we are not tithing? I wouldn't call someone releasing thousands of dollars into the Kingdom of God NOT tithing. You don't know our hearts or our actions or what we are doing - why assume we're not tithing? I am.
---anon on 7/2/09

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Exzucuh, I too, read you comments many times over and over and finally after reading Gary's statement l too agree with the display you gave of God, Adam and man. Though a person cannot find any of that especailly tithed, written in Scripture, concerning Adam, because a tithed is not something someone owe's (a debt) but something he gives.
I still think it was a good picture anology not found in Scripture that I had never heard of. I apologize for my comment.
---MarkV. on 7/1/09

Thanks Gary, MarkV says that I say things that are not in scripture but they are there, And I could do like I used to do and take the time to place them for him to see, but I have done that for MarkV many times and he still would not believe even the word of God I gave him. So I will not do that for him any more but I will for others that I feel like they will not waste my time or render the word of God under their feet like swine rendering peals as Jesus would say.
---exzucuh on 7/1/09

There is some speculation that the Catholics put tithing in the Bible to get money from the people. If you really think about it, God doesn't need our money or our things, because everything already belongs to him.

But the question for me is, does he want one tenth of our things?
---amand6348 on 7/1/09

exzucuh - I have re-read your earlier post over and over again, and finally the light went on. What you said is really good and correct. I get thrown off when someone uses the word tithe because that it what I have studied the most, especially when someone implies that Adam and Eve tithed. But now I see your point, and now I do agree with you.
---Gary on 6/30/09

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I can give you scripture for every thing I gave you. Or you could study it for yourself, I tell you earthly things and you cannot believe them because you are indoctrinated to be blind to true spiritual teachings, The letter killeth and the word you believe is killing you and those you teach because you do not have Spirit that gives life to the word. Jesus said my words are spirit and life, his words are not the letter that killeth but light that will make captives free,and open blinded eyes, It is a resurrected word and if it abides in you it will give life to your dead body and transform your mind.
---exzucuh on 6/30/09

exzucuh - believe what you want, but IF the spirit talks to you, what the spirit says will line up perfectly with scripture. If it doesn't line up with the scriptures, then it didn't come from the spirit. God, Himself, taught me, through the spirit, the topic of tithing over approximately a ten day period last year. Every morning He gave me another piece of the puzzle. After He spoke to me through the spirit, I immediately went to my Bible to compare what was told to me with the Word. It matched up perfectly. First, you need to look up the word TITHE in the Hebrew dictionary and you will find it is a mathematical term, not a religious term, and has nothing to do with God. It simply means one tenth. Period.
---Gary on 6/30/09

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Carnal Christians cannot please God, And I do not belong to any denomination, WE are lion of Judah Ministry we evangelize and license ministries. And you will not find what I told you in any denominational teaching that came from the Holy Spirit, if you knew him you would know that.
---exzucuh on 6/30/09

Gary, what you say is very true. I have followed what Exzucuh writes and sometimes he does come out with things not in the Word, but must be teachings he picked up somewhere. The story he told of Adam was well put and it might convince many to think that way, but none of it is in Scripture. Many can put incidents in Scripture and try to tie them together to make a new doctrine. But when it's challenged with the Word, it is found to be false. So many writers have written things they feel or see, but it is only their own thoughts that are written down. We should be cheerful givers when we feel the Spirit prompting us to give for certain things with the work of God. But no limits have been given to anyone under the New Covenant.
---MarkV. on 6/30/09

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exzucuh - What have you been reading? NOT the scriptures. What you say is strickly denomination junk that is nowhere in the Word. You apparently don't understand God's tithe. God gave the command to tithe to the Children of Israel - eleven tribes tithed to the twelfth tribe. I guess you don't realize that tithing on income and giving it to the church started in the late 1800s. It's amazing how many people have been taken in by all these tithing lies. STICK WITH THE SCRIPTURES. Stop quoting from books written by money-hungry liars.
---Gary on 6/29/09

The tree in the midst of the Garden was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil. It represented the law , The tree of life was representing Jesus, Adam could eat of Jesus but not of the Law. When he sinned the Law became what he must eat of forever because he chose it rejecting the tree of life. Under the law he had to pay for sin
sinners always have to pay, God required certain sacrifice as a temporary means of Faith by man until Jesus could pay mans tithe to God to reconcile him back to eating of the tree of life. Now under the Law of the tree of life, the law of the Spirit, We do not pay tithe but offer spiritual sacrifices, freely giving to fulfill needs, not limited by 10%
---exzucuh on 6/29/09

A food tithe in the Garden of Eden? For what purpose? There were no poor to feed, and there was no priesthood. If offered to God, it would serve no practical purpose and would just rot at the altar. If Adam and Eve were the only people on Earth, they would have access to all the food on the planet. How would they then "tithe" 10% of that excess and to whom? It would be impossible to gather for one thing. There would be food rotting on the trees there would be so much.

I have heard plenty of cult teachings on tithing, but this one takes that cake!

I suggest the OP stick to the Bible and not made up doctrines.
---obewan on 6/29/09

I agree with the previous posts. If anyone is "robbing God" it is those who receive this "tithe" only to consume it upon their own desires. Concerning gifts, monetary or otherwise, our willingness to give affirms, confirms and acknowledges, to our benefit, for the benefit of those in need, that the Spirit and love of God rules within us. Knowing this, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve [both] God and mammon." One will give account of ones stewardship, in all things, as well as ones compassion, or lack thereof, for the less fortunate.
---joseph on 6/29/09

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Leslie - We are still waiting for you to give us scripture to back up what you say. Show me scripture where God EVER commanded ANYONE to tithe on anything that MAN MADE OR EARNED. The biblical tithe was ALWAYS on miracles of God (crops and animals) and NEVER on anything that man made or earned. The command to tithe was given to the children of Israel in Exodus - 11 tribes of Israel were to inherit the land and everything on it, and the 12th tribe (Levi) was to inherit the tithe. The 11 tribes paid the tithe to the 12th tribe. What does that have to do with the Christian church? Absolutely NOTHING.
---Gary on 6/28/09

Leslie ... You seem to be unable to respond to our requests for the scriptures for your statement
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/28/09

I will tell you this. God has given us life,Hr has given us the earth and all in it for our use.He has given us his nature in that we can love,and everything that is good. God has given us his son,to die for us,and God has forgiven all who would believe in his son. Stop and think of all that God has given,and is giving everday,then think about what,or better yet why God wants us to GIVE?could it be he wants to is where our hearts are?God doesn,t need our few dollars,he already owns everything.Giving,or if you wish to call it tithing is Gods way of blessing us and bringing us to the understanding that money means jack squat.
---tom2 on 6/28/09

actually tithing by Gods people is a dare that God says will enable him to open the windows of heaven and pour his blessings out upon you.Or maybe its he will open the windows of heaven.
---tom2 on 6/28/09

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Go, Gary!!
Not only is tithing not done today according to OT, but we are under a new covenant now.
Can you say no tithing twice?
Although, freewill offering is still in effect as the Spirit guides in Love.
God loves a cheerful giver..))
---MIchael on 6/27/09

Leslie: How is it you believe what Adam & Eve did in the Garden had anything to do with the tithe? Please explain.

"When you don't tithe the Bible says you are robbing...God."

That's not true. Malachi 3 spoke specifically to the sons of Jacob/the nation Israel, not the New Testament Church. The "tithe" is not a God-mandated requirement for the Church of Jesus Christ.
---Leon on 6/27/09

we all know that the church needs funds to operate,but the old testament speaks to the Israleites when it talks about tithing,not gentiles.Actually the only place mentioned in the new testament about money or property is in Acts,and there people gave away ALL their property,and money.But there is no mention of tithing in the new testament,other than being a cheerful giver.
---tom2 on 6/27/09

Gary - As I said before, Malachi is addressed to US (Christians), since we are the PRIESTS of today. This is NOT any denomination or man's opinion speaking, this is what the Bible says. You might read it sometime, so you will know. I also know that you are guilty of robbing (stealing from) God from what you say. Repent before it's too late.
---Leslie on 6/27/09

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Tithing using the word storehouse is not only wrong but is only used 2 x in the bible. The first is as mentioned in Malachi, the second is in Luke. Neither refer to the church. WIth that being said, the author is correct in that if we spent less time preaching tithing and more time giving both of our abilities and as Paul so aptly stated "Cheerfully" translated as a type of JOY(one of the fuits of the spirit, we as a universal Church body of Christian Believers or the individual churches would not suffer financially.
Also being a good steward is considerably more important than TITHING.Peace and hope that helps.
Peace Brother
---Art on 6/27/09

In the OT tithes were always food.

1/3 of the tithe went to feed the poor, widows, and disabled.

It was a form of welfare tax at that time.

Many scholars say only agrarian people (farmers and animal herders) were required to tithe.

Do churches today that teach "tithing" give a full 1/3 to feed the poor? If not, are they cursed and robbing God? I think the warning is there because God cared about the poor.

You could say that today we have welfare taxes though, but that is not part of a Theocratic government.
---obewan on 6/27/09

First time I ever heard that Adam and Eve were supposed to tithe. From my understanding of scripture, and from what observant Jews have told me, no one but Israelites were required to tithe, and since there is no temple to receive tithes (which were all agricultural and livestock), Jews are not required to tithe today either.
---eric1968 on 6/27/09

I've been Christian for 24 years. There is no such thing as an "Adam and Eve Tithe" (nothing at all). The old moneychanger worship practices were often continued by many people from the old cultures, but Paul explained to the crowds that...

"The God who made the world and everything in it,...does not live in shrines (buildings) made by man, NOR IS HE SERVED BY HUMAN HANDS (or tithes), as though He needed anything..." (God is not needy or impoverished), Acts 17:24, 25.

It is the "church of MAN" (not the church of GOD) that needs money and allegiance in order to keep getting your money.

It is up to each person to decide if their relationship and devotion will be the result of MONEY.
---more_excellent_way on 6/27/09

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Many people DO tithe, Leslie.
---Cluny on 6/27/09

Leslie ...

"When Adam and Eve were in the Garden, they were told not to touch the tree (first tithe) ... Please show scripture reference

"When you don't tithe the Bible says you are robbing (stealing from) God" ... Please show scripture reference
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/27/09

Here we go again - quoting as though it is scripture. Nowhere in the scriptures does it refer to "first tithe" regarding Adam and Eve. This is denomination garbage that is NOT supported by the scriptures. Next, Malachi 3:7-10 is being addressed to the PRIESTS, not the people. This is a good example of how church leaders take scripture out of context and teach it to their own advantage. In the US, the Baptist Church didn't starting tithing until 1870, and the SDA Church couldn't make up their minds on how to tithe - first they taught that only property owners tithed, and they based it on property values. Later they changed to income BECAUSE IT WOULD BRING IN OVER TWICE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
---Gary on 6/26/09

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