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Any Backslidders In Heaven

Do people still go to Heaven if they accept Jesus but years later happen to die in a backslidden lifestyle?

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You said that we were the good soil.Miche***

No Miche I did not.

Now please read the parable of the soils WITH James. Faith without works is DEAD!!!

You can put it this way...Faith without FRUIT is dead. our FRUIT is our WORKS, the works Christ ordained for us to walk in from before the foundation of the world.

James is actually re-stating what Jesus said.

Those who walked away, did not want to suffer..they didn't COUNT IT ALL JOY!!!! and it's ONLY through the fellowship of His sufferings ANY FRUIT can be manifest.

...James Chapter 1

Come on Miche! Sometimes I think you have and then you agree with Dave, Nana etc, who DENY THE CROSS!!!!

No Cross...NO FRUIT!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/10/09

Mark Eaton,
Do you obsolete the English Bible to adopt Greek Bible? Are you born Greek or adopted by Greek parents? How well do you know Greek? I study from an eastern language Bible which is a direct translation from Greek. You are just bluffing in order to twist the Bible.
---Dave on 7/10/09

Anne would have everyone believe that now that they are saved they do not sin. The reason I ask her if she sinned and as you notice she never answered.
Her statements to me was,
"MarkV~ The Bible teaches in 1 John that he who sins is of the devil.
When a person is truly saved they abide in the Lord/Spirit and do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. The Lord has made them a new creature.
You can't be a Christian and sin both, for you can't serve God and the devil"

So what she is really saying is that she is of the devil because she sins." And so is Dave. They have been deceived as 1 John 1:8 says, and the Truth is not in them. Plus, they call God a liar. This are people who claim they love the Lord.
---MarkV. on 7/10/09

Mark Eaton,
"1John 2:1.... these things write I unto you, that ye sin not." Do you say that when God says "ye sin not" it mean that do not sin continuously, but give a break in between? That is, if a prostitute gives a break one day a week without committing adultery, then does she fulfill the commandment of God "ye sin not"?
---Dave on 7/10/09

Duane~Dave never said that everything he had didn't come from Christ. Dave knows that everything he has does come from Christ. Christ made us new creatures and we walk with Him and follow Him and do His will. His Spirit abides in those who follow Him so that they no longer live and walk in their old foolish ways. Being born again is a complete transformation and awakening and it is a total gift of God.
---Anne on 7/10/09

I have repeatedly tried to respond to this blog, but my posts never get through.

The tense of the Greek verb "sins" in 1 John passages is present. Present tense verbs in Greek indicate a continuous, never-ending action. Many say this never-ending action is habitual or a life-style. Another way to say it is to put the word "practices" before the word sin or put the word "continously" behind the word sin.

This is not only correct but NECESSARY to understand what the verse is saying.

Therefore, when we read 1 John 3:6, we need to read it THIS way to be correct. "No one who abides in Him sins continuously, no one who sins continuously has seen Him or knows Him"
---Mark_Eaton on 7/10/09

It is not that Satan is against the churches, but Satan is against God. Dave****



Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

2 Timothy 2:26
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil,

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
---kathr4453 on 7/10/09

Miche, to say YOU are good ground is self righteous. How did YOU get to be GOOD GROUND to begin with? Only the GOOD GROUND produced any fruit.
I never said I was good ground or soil. I said that WE as human are the soil. Christ is the seed.
You said that we were the good soil.
I even said that NONE of us start as good soil. We all have rocks and junk in our soil. Christ comes and plants HIS seed in us and when He does that, he cleans and tills our soil. removing all the bad things he does not approve of from our lives.
Backsliders are ones who won't let Christ till their soil. THey think they can clean it up themselves, when they can't.
Thank you Dave! I am still going to keep trying.
---miche3754 on 7/10/09

Sin is to disobey God and righteousness is to obey God. Some people say that God's Spirit preaches to disobey God saying that nobody can obey God and antichrist spirit preaches to obey God. Does it make any sense? God's people will strive to obey God with the grace and the power of God and God will make it possible for them. "Matt 19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
---Dave on 7/10/09

MarkV I am with you. I am always concerned about people who say they don't sin. Sounds to me like the sin of pride. It also causes me to think of the prayer our Lord gave us which says- forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us. What do we need that prayer for if He thought we could be sinless?

Dave sounds like the voice of the accuser.
---Warwick on 7/10/09

We dont make ourselves pure and sinless as Jesus...what nonsense ...Everything we have is from HIM. Dave talks foolish
---duane on 7/9/09

MarkV~ The Bible teaches in 1 John that he who sins is of the devil.

When a person is truly saved they abide in the Lord/Spirit and do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. The Lord has made them a new creature.

You can't be a Christian and sin both, for you can't serve God and the devil both.

When we hear the good news of the gospel we turn to God and repent of our past filthy life. We never want to go back If we are truly abiding in the Lord. Now, as the Bible teaches though some will blackslide/fall away and return to their old ways. If you are still walking in sin, then you are not God's child.

Your teachings confuse people and lead them on the path of darkness.

Nice to see you here Dave, and great posts!
---Anne on 7/9/09

It is not that Satan is against the churches, but Satan is against God. Most people, who talk biblical terminology, are of Satan. They are counterfeit, who talk the language, but do not obey God. The people of God will obey God. Do you obey God or are you a rebel? If you try to manipulate God without obeying him, you are a rebel and you are of Satan.
---Dave on 7/9/09

Do you know why do you allow Satan to communicate through you? Because you are his servant and he is your God. Be it so.

Satan interpreted the word of God to Eve. He taught you how to interpret the word of God. Now, you teach others how to interpret the word of God.

God sees sinless people, who have made themselves pure as Jesus Christ is pure. His church persistantly strives for that. Satan and his people will not and cannot see that.
---Dave on 7/9/09

Your explanations are very simple, even grammar school kids can understand it easily, even though it contains much wisdom. Do you know what the difficulty here to understand is? They do not want to understand it.
---Dave on 7/9/09

Dave, I still have not seen a sinless person. If you claim to be sinless join the one who claims he is, Eloy. Now you and him will be the only one's to claim such a feat. As Kathr said, you sure twisted the passages in 1 John 1:6-10. Turned them around as pro's do who want to change the Truth to a lie. You are not someone who just doesn't know how to interprete Scripture but someone with a motive. The Bible does say their will be those of the Antichrist spirit who will come from within the Church. And really all you do is bring sin to themself. Especially you, since you claim to be without sin.
---MarkV. on 7/9/09

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Satan still rebels against God. Many follow Satan and a few follow God. ...... They think that they got God by their hook, because Satan controls their mind.
---Dave on 7/9/09

Dave, these aren't back-sliders! There will always be enemies of the Church. Satan said...I will set my throne above the stars. So, those who follow Satan are enemies of Christians and the Body of Christ..the Church.

And yes, it is naive to believe anyone who says they are a Chrstian actually is.

These warnings are to let US know who OUR enemies are....

BUT the Gates of Hell will never prevail against the Church.

Praise God!!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/09

Satan still rebels against God. Many follow Satan and a few follow God. Satan controls the mind of those who willingly sold themselves to him. It is no surprise they cannot think for themselves. The people of God obeys God. The people of Satan are against obeying God. They think that they got God by their hook, because Satan controls their mind.
---Dave on 7/9/09

Miche, to say YOU are good ground is self righteous. How did YOU get to be GOOD GROUND to begin with? Only the GOOD GROUND produced any fruit.

No longer I but Christ....

Miche one has to first respond to the Gospel, receive Jesus Christ FIRST before one can produce any fruit.

Just as those who in in John 6 WALKED AWAY, saying "this is a hard thing" did those of these other soils. Like those of John 6...they thought Christianity was getting their bellies fed....

Like I said before isn't that one believes in Jesus( even the devil believes)'s what one believes ABOUT WHY Jesus came to begin with that saves.

They departed because they never were to begin the BIBLE says!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/09

Kath,...Perhaps its you who needs to go back and read again. Miche**

Miche, I have read Hebrews 10, and it is permanently burned into my heart and soul and mind. The Lord did that. It's is one of my MOST FAVORITE chapters of all in scripture. It is a Chapter Hebrews 10...about LAW(animal sacrifice) verses GRACE(Christ's sacrifice)...PERIOD!!! AND this IS WHAT Hebrews 10 is about....we under GRACE are sanctified through the body of Christ....not an animal, ONCE and for all!!!

This letter to the Jewish community were warned about falling back under the old system...and were told we now enter through the veil...A NEW AND DIFFERENT WAY.

Therefore they were warned not to draw back under the old system!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/09

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By the way Kath,
In the parable of the soil, Christ is the seed we are the soil.
Christ is not the soil and never has been the soil. Christ has always been the seed from the beginning. When he is planted in us, it is him who grows in us.
We are "grafted" to his tree,vine, there are several terms used in the Bible to describe it. God is the one who does the pruning.
We all start with rocks and debris in our soil. Those rocks and debris are bad habits and things that God has to move out of our lives. It is wrong to tell someone they have to clean themselves up before coming to Christ. Christ is the best cleaner ever and he can remove stains no one else can.
---miche3754 on 7/9/09

UNGODLY CHRISTIANS! Deceivers twist scriptures.
---Dave on 7/8/09

Dave, Yes deceivers do twist scripture. The only thing twisted here is your understanding of what is and isn't a Christian.

A Christian is one who has received Jesus Christ for the forgivness of SIN, and have been baptized into His death that the old man of sin (our old adam sin nature) has been cricified with Christ...buried with Him unto death....Shall we continue to sin..God Forbid! Paul explains what CHRISTIANITY is and isn't.

Like Anne, you create a straw man that is non-existant to base your pre-suppositions on, so you can attack the Gospel of Grace!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/09

1John 1:8 was given as a warning to those who say that they are of God while they are in darkness, which is explained in "1John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness,..."
"1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." If some confessed their sins, their sins are forgiven and their UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, which causes the sins are CLENSED. So, their SINS BECAME PAST. "1John 1:10 If we say that we have not SINNED..." It did not say we will be still sinning. Yet deceivers quote 1John 1:8 to say we all will be sinning until we die. Are they not of Satan?
---Dave on 7/9/09

Gangs push criminals to commit crime since their advocates will get them out of jail. Satan deceives people in the same way telling that the advocate will get them out of hell. But God is telling people not to commit sin and he is not only the righteous advocate, but he is also the righteous judge with the Father. "1John 2:1 ... if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons JUDGETH ACCORDING TO EVERY MAN'S WORK, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Rev 20:13 ... they were JUDGED EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. Rev 19:11 ... IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE DOTH JUDGE ..."
---Dave on 7/9/09

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Nana 2: for believers, to end this perilous division by appointing Christ as our Mediator. Moses too was a mediator but not for ultimate reconciliation. Others through history filled the same role as he did. The unbeliever who are lost don't have an Advocate, or Mediator, they don't believe in God. No reason for them to go to Christ to speak for them since they don't believe in Christ.
I hope that I answered your question
---MarkV. on 7/8/09

Devil is the father of lies. His children follow it with desire. "John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
If you say that sin is the thing of the past while you are yet sinning, you are the son of the devil and you are a liar. If you are set free from sin, then you will not be doing sin. Do not desire to be deceived and do not try to deceive.
---Dave on 7/8/09

Kath, . You say don't draw back but say anyone who draws back isn't even saved in the first place. Which is your stance Kath?
Do we have freewill or not? Do you choose to die daily while CHRIST lives daily in you or not? You can't believe in freewill without believing a person can backslide. The scripture you are supporting about drawing back is about backsliding. Perhaps its you who needs to go back and read again.
Its sad that you judge people the way you do when they don't agree with you. Its sad that you can't admit when you are wrong. And its sad that you assume to play God by saying someone was not saved in the first place when you don't know that for sure.
God did not make you the judge. God is the judge.
---miche3754 on 7/8/09

Nana believes in Pelagianism:

Pelagianism believes Adams sin had no effect upon the souls of his descendants other than his sinful example influencing those who followed after him to also sin. According to this view, man has the ability to stop sinning if he simply chooses to. This teaching runs contrary to a number of passages that indicate man is hopelessly enslaved by his sins ,apart from Gods intervention, and that his good works are "dead" or worthless in meriting Gods favor (Ephesians 2:1-2, Matthew 15:18-19, Romans 7:23, Hebrews 6:1, 9:14).

Pelagius believes moral perfection is attainable in this life because of free will. WHAT???

You mean you can will yourself into perfection? That's Gnosticism!
---kathr4453 on 7/8/09

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Nana, the passage is 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us" John had already explained that everyone was a sinner. That no one could claim they were without sin. If they did as many here do, they deceive themselves and the Truth is not in them.
The very fact that we are sinners in nature is the very reason we are told "And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righeous."
The Biblical drama of redemption focuses on reconciliation. Which is to end the division between God and people. Our rebellion provokes God's anger. We are found to be in desperate need of reconciliation. It pleased God the Father to take the initiative
---MarkV. on 7/8/09

For the Christian, sin is a thing of the past. We are saints, NOT sinners. Sinners are unbelievers.
Sin has been taken away, it has no power over us anymore. We have been set free.We are dead to sin.
This is what Christ has done for you.
---duane on 7/8/09

"Hebrews 10:38 Dave put here is is talking about FAITH not sin.

But again, not living by Faith IS SIN. We live by the faith of Christ in us. So, if any man draw back from living by the faith of Christ in them...No longer I but Christ in me.... This is Grace according to Galatians 2:21...the next verse clairifed 2:20.

So, if any man draws back from Grace....Faith of Christ in them, and draws back to the LAW...they have made void the Grace of God, Insulted the Spirit of Grace, and God's vengence surely WILL come on these people.

ALERT!!! Don't draw back from GRACE!!!! Galatains 2:20-21
---kathr4453 on 7/8/09

When you think about it, none of us started as "good soil". Christ has had to clean us up quite a bit and he is still cleaning us up.Miche**

Miche, please re-read the parables and the other Gospels that also gets even better with explaination.

ONLY the GOOD GROUND could bear fruit.....the GOOD GROUND is not you or me...the Good ground is Christ in you. ONLY Christ in you can bear fruit Miche. The Fruit is the Fruit of the Spirit..the Holy Spirit....

---kathr4453 on 7/8/09

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Some people things that no matter what Christians do they are still SAINTS. It is crazy. If a Christian kills, is he a saint? If a Christian prostitutes, is she a saint? If anybody commit sin, he/she is a sinner and not a saint, whether he/she is a Christian or a non-Christian. Deceivers twist scriptures.
---Dave on 7/8/09


Try reading the NT in the language it was written, that would be Greek.

The passages you quoted from 1 John 2:1 that says "that you sin not" is translated from a Greek verb whose action (sin) is continuous, habitual, and never ending. The old KJV used the term "sinneth" to describe the action.

If my sin is never ending it is a WHOLE lot different than a one time sin. It describes a life-style of sin verses a one time slip.

Lets look at it in another way. If I drink an alcoholic beverage one time a month am I an alcoholic? What if I drink alcoholic beverages all the time, am I an alcoholic?

There is a difference. The language of the Bible bears it out. Find out for yourself.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/8/09

Romans 5:6, 8:

6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

First note that Christ died for the ungodly vs 6 and then Christ died for sinners vs 8. Paul equates the ungodly with sinners.

Christians are never characterized as ungodly.

We are called to be Romans begins as well as 1st Corinthians...

How many KNOW the hope of their calling?
---kathr4453 on 7/8/09

Revelation 3:15-16 (New King James Version)
15 I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[a] I will vomit you out of My mouth.

Jesus was to talking to the church not unbeliever's. After we are saved we should be about our Father's buisness,and yes we are saved by Grace, but we should have fruit for the Kingdom. We should be serving in what ever capacity that the Holy Spirit has placed on our hearts, feeding the children, witnessing to the lost,and fullfilling the Great Commission.
By their fruit you will know who His sheep are. Jesus said, I know my sheep and my sheep know my voice.
---chdldry on 7/8/09

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"1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
The word of God says:
(1). "I write to you not to sin." Rebellious people will not obey it and they are very unhappy.
(2). "If you sin, Jesus Christ is the advocate and propitiation for the sins of the whole world including yours." Rebellious people are so happy since God considers them as one in the whole world. How foolish and ignorant they are.
---Dave on 7/7/09

I agree with everything you said on your last blog below, the same as I have also agreed with many other of your expositions (Anne also has). In the name of good Christian dialog, could you please reconcile 1 John 3:6 and 1 Cor 6:9 with 1 John 2:1-2. If for any reason you consider that I should give my understanding of those Scriptures as to how they relate to each other first, please say so and I will.
I am not agreeing with, "The passage talks about the unrighteous so it is talking about none-believers." Neither with, "So John is correct because we know everyone sins for he explained it in 1:8." The verse clearly states that, "whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
---Nana on 7/8/09

All are born in sin. WE WERE ALL SINNING, which is explained in 1John 1:8. In verse 9 a few people confess and God cleansed their unrighteousness and forgives their sins. In verse 10 their sins becomes the past, but not present. "If we say we have not SINNED, we are liars."
Then there are phrases to point out that sinning became past to many believers. "Rom 5:8 ... while we WERE yet SINners ... Rom 6:17... ye WERE the servants of SIN ... Rom 6:20 ... when ye WERE the servants of SIN ... Eph 1,5 ... who WERE dead in trespasses and SINs: ... Eph 2:2,3 in TIMES PAST in the lusts of our flesh... Many people left sinning.
Yet the devil tells that nobody can live without sinning.
---Dave on 7/8/09

God has never separated sin into HABITUAL SINS AND NON-HABITUAL SINS. But, it is the devil that confuses it as if some sins are okay with God. All SINS ARE SINS.
---Dave on 7/8/09

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to your last post.
I know and understand that the "seed" of Christ is the only way. If you notice that the 2 I posted,
they did have the seed of Christ for a little while. But the seed of Christ that was planted in them got choked out by the cares of the world. They believed but the seed did not grow. BUT it is the same seed planted in us that are the good soil. We are seeds that are growing and producing fruit.
When you think about it, none of us started as "good soil". Christ has had to clean us up quite a bit and he is still cleaning us up.
My point too was that we should not judge at all. We should show love to those fallen so that they turn from sin and come back.
I really liked Alan's post.
---miche3754 on 7/8/09

Your question is: "Do people still go to Heaven if they accept Jesus but years later happen to die in a backslidden lifestyle?"
Answer is: No. they will not go to heaven. "Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition, but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." Whoever backslide, they draw back into perdition but not into heaven.
---Dave on 7/7/09

Thank you Alan and Mark E. It seems this happens all the time when works for salvation is the issue they fight for. Be good, be righteous, be, be, be. and if you are not and you sin you go to hell because the Bible says so. Most of the time just as you explained Mark the passages are talking about habitual sin. Even then we as human's have no way of knowing if someone is going to hell or not. And as is proven, everyone struggles with sin. Everyone. Even sins of Omission, not only commission.
The flesh is corrupt. The flesh will one day die, and we will get new bodies fit for the Lord. In the mean time God continues to change us, mold us, teach us, and chastizes us, for every child of God gets chastize.
---MarkV. on 7/7/09


Thank you for graciousness. My previous post was a reply to the "get thee behind me Satan" you had posted to me. Sorry.

I would refer you to 1 John 2:1-2 "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world".

The idea is to not sin, but if you do, Jesus is the sacrifice that atones for our sins.

The verse right before this section is also telling. 1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us".
---Mark_Eaton on 7/7/09

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I would say NO! Better your house be in order before you meet Jesus again. Backslidng better be an experience in the past, replaced with an experience in "forward-sliding"
---Pierre on 7/7/09

None of the disciples or any of the apostles claimed to be without sin.

After you are saved, it is still possible to sin, and continual repentance is necessary.

Deliberate sinning is probably an indication that the original salvation was imagined.

Sin is sin is sin, and I don't think God grades it from 1 to 10 in terms of severity, so we should notm judge someone who slips back into sexual immorality and more harshly that someone who loses their temper & acts unkindly.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/7/09

---MarkV. on 7/6/09

No one is doing this Markv. We are simply stating TRUTH of what the Bible is telling us. When we come to Christ we are full of sin. Christ cleans us up daily!! This means we aren't sinners anymore but Saints. You need to hurry up & Believe GOD on this. You aren't a sinner saved by Grace. You are a Saint that used to be a sinner. Live like it, be a witness that God is real & can change U to what HE desires U to be- a Faithful servant that loves him & does HIS will.
U keep twisting that scripture when it really means that BEFORE we were saved all of us had sin. BUT now, By the Grace of God through Christ, U are saved! You are a Saint! Set apart to be a peculiar people of GOD.
God Bless you brother!
---miche3754 on 7/7/09

Nana, I didn't know you asked a question. You normally accuse me.
from 7/2/09
Answer. 1 Cor. 6:9 you ask,"MarkV.,
1 Corinthians 6:9: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?"

I do know very well what the passage is saying.
The passage talks about the unrighteous so it is talking about none-believers. For all who are of Christ have the righteous imputation of Christ, which makes the believer righteous before God. Otherwise he would be as dirty as before.
1 John 3:6 Like the phrase "commits sin" of verse 4 the sense conveyed here is the idea of habitual sinning. So John is correct, because we know everyone sins for he explained it in 1:8.
---MarkV. on 7/7/09

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Miche, the parable concerning the 4 soils, Jesus is telling us there is only one group saved....the one who had root (Christ in them)that bore fruit

Keeping law can never bring forth fruit....only Christ in you can!!!

If we are not to make harsh statements or judge, why do so many assign themselves as fruit inspectors?

# John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: ....

# Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

---kathr4453 on 7/7/09

Why oh why...Its not us keeping ourselves clean, its what HE did to set us free from sin. HE had to take sin away.(not cover sin) This is what HE came to do and this is what HE accomplished. Its a done deal. It is finished. HE now sits at the right hand of the Father.
---duane on 7/7/09

Miche, you ask if I listen to the small voice, let me say I don't hear small voices. Sorry. I hear God speak to me through His Word. Everyday when I study I hear Him speaking to me. I don't get phone calls, or clouds speaking. In my flesh I still am able to hear a person speak. I have not lost that ability, thanks be to God.
When we listen to His Word and understand Him we are children of God. Someone else might hear voices but they can never be sure who is speaking to them. They might think it is God but it might be someone else.
Now the Spirit guides me and convicts me of my sin, and I submit to it and repent. It is a repentance of contrition. You can repent all you want, but it could be a repentance of attrition.
---MarkV. on 7/7/09

Concerning MarkV. on 7/6/09
Everytime I get "dust" in my eye from living in this world, Christ cleanses it with HIS word, Markv. SO, no, I have nothing to worry about because I submit to Christ everyday. I listen to that still small voice, Markv. Do you?
Or do you still think it's okay to sin?
Im not picking on you or anyone else. Just speaking the truth. Im not judging everyone else. Im too busy looking at myself everyday in the mirror and checking to see if I have any sin to judge or pick on anyone else. Im too busy getting myself right with God through CHRIST. You on the other hand keep playing the "don't judge me for my sin" card when really no else is except God.
Oh, thanks Anne! Missed you too!
---miche3754 on 7/7/09

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I would say, the prostitute who goes back.. backslides or( slides back into their former lifestyle) was never saved to begin with.-kath
Matthew 13:20-22
The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

This is what happened to that prositute.
We shouldn't make harsh statements or judge. We should keep our own eyes on God and show the fallen LOVE!
---miche3754 on 7/7/09

Thanks for this neighbourly repply, unlike that other you gave me about my theology from televangelists... A little respect goes a long way..., however once again I disagree with you. Those bits of Romans 7 speak of the unspiritual carnal man. Turn to to the next chapter and also see John 4:23-24.
Yes you have answered MarkV. many times. As for "getting tired", I proposed myself to not tire of people. My endurance is revealed in , "Nana... has been at it for a long time".
Answer my blog below, 7/2/2009.
---Nana on 7/6/09

Now that we understand that none of you are sinless, that everyone of you is a sinner, just like everyone who is alive, the question now is, are you saved? If you are saved by grace through faith in the Works of Christ on the Cross, why do you condemn your brother to hell for sinning when you are sinners yourselves? What makes your sin less then their sins? Whoever is without sin, let him/her throw the first stone. And none of you were found to be without sin, so stop throwing stones.
---MarkV. on 7/6/09

Miche~ It's nice you're here again, it's not the same without you here.

Your comment to MarkV just now is very similar to mine on 7/3. I just don't get why he doesn't 'get it'. I especially don't get why he says people like you, me, Nana, exzucuh etc. 'accuse' people of sin...what is that about? When have any of us done that? When someone preaches the gospel it should convict people to want to repent and turn from their old ways of sin and turn to the Lord. That is normal. It is normal that when the gospel is truly taught that we not only have so much praise for God, but also for the first time we truly understand what the 'fear of the Lord' is all about which makes us leave old ways behind.
---Anne on 7/6/09

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Miche, while gone, you should have read Scripture, you would have learned that a little dust in your eye is just dust. You have to remove the four by seven in your eyes. Your sins are increasing. You are either a sinner or you are sinless. Which of this are you? Stay with the sinless group. You guys have nothing to worry about. You have arrived. Let us poor souls who are still struggling in this life, which Christ said we would struggle with, because of His name, along and stop picking on us.
---MarkV. on 7/6/09

What exactly is a backslidden lifestyle to a Born Again Christian???

Back- slidden from GRACE? To go back into a sinful, worldly lifestyle....would mean a prostitute once saved????, decides to go back into prostitution...for whatever reason!

I would say, the prostitute who goes back.. backslides or( slides back into their former lifestyle) was never saved to begin with.

and is like a pig returning to the mud.

They may have had an emotional salvation experience...fear, making that deal with God...gee, if you just get me out of jail,etc, then "Lord, I'll serve you the rest of my life". kinda thing...wears off real fast!!! Why, because that is not Salvation to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/09

So you again avoided my questions, "Are you a sinner? Have you already reached the goal set for us? Is sin not found in your?" If your quotes about sin are true for a Christian and you also sin, why do you call attention to others who do? No one has to judge another brother or sister.
---MarkV. on 7/3/09
Jesus says that once you accept HIM ou are not a sinner any longer(if you are really followng him). He says you are one of HIS saints. You may get a little dust on yourself from having to live in this world BUT you are NOT a sinner any more. You are a saint.
And yes, before Christ saved me, I had tons of sin in my life.
---miche3754 on 7/6/09

Anne, you always have a lot to say to others concerning their sins, and never say anything about your sins. While you can stand their and make comments about me over and over, you refuse to answer the question. Nana who also speaks about the same thing and has been at it for a long time also refuses to answer the question. "Are you sinless?" You don't want to say yes, because you know you are not.
It's fine to say things about someone else if you were sinless, but neither one of you is. So whether its one sin are many you commit, you are still a sinner. Nothing can take that away from you in this life. Your flesh is as filfy as mine. As I said before, remove the log from your eye before you judge another.
---MarkV. on 7/6/09

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Nana, Anne:

I think the point MarkV is making is that NONE of us are without sin.

Paul in Romans 7:15-25 writes about this battle between the spiritual man and the flesh. He even concludes it with "So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin". A slave to the law of sin? This was written by a man so favored by God that he was taken up into the third heaven! Why would he say that He was STILL a slave to the law of sin unless he still sinned.

Paul tells us in Philippians 3:12 "Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, ...".
---Mark_Eaton on 7/5/09

Nana~ I believe I have answered MarkV.s 'are you a sinner' question perhap countless times now wouldn't you agree?

Nana, if I had your email, I would tell you had sad it is to see the way God's word is so twisted today. If it saddens me this much to see how the true gospel has been so poisoned, I can't even imagine the pain God endures and His great longsuffering. It makes me thankful He endures it though and has a plan.

I am so thankful for the few but ever faithful people like you who never back down from the truth. I feel like Suzie, and am getting tired of 'casting the pearls..' Do you ever feel that way?
---Anne on 7/5/09

All that you said to me (same as to Anne) in the "Fulfil Or Destroy The Law" blog has a repply right on this blog. My answer to your statements you can find below in my blog of 07/02/2009.
---Nana on 7/4/09

Anne, while it is a great idea to help others to stay on track there is no excuse for saying if you sin you are of the devil and going to hell. That is not possible for a Christian who sins have been paid by Christ blood. You don't have to judge the sins of others, God does that. You can help a brother or sister get out of sin, but have no right to tell them they are going to hell since you are a sinner yourself unless you are sinless.
So you again avoided my questions, "Are you a sinner? Have you already reached the goal set for us? Is sin not found in your?" If your quotes about sin are true for a Christian and you also sin, why do you call attention to others who do? No one has to judge another brother or sister.
---MarkV. on 7/3/09

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MarkV has a point, which you and I differ on. The Greek tense of the verb sin in the verses of 1 John you quote is present.

The present tense indicates a "continuous or habitual" form of the verb. If we apply this to 1 John 5:18, it would read with added explanation: "We know that no one who is born of God (habitually) sins, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him".

Most of the "sin" passages in the NT have present tense verbs and must be read this way. It almost never says "sin once" but "sin habitually".
---Mark_Eaton on 7/3/09

Mark V.~ I do not accuse people of sin...why do you say this? To say that about me Mark is like accusing Paul, James, etc of accusing people of their sins just because they caringly yet urgently shared with all people to be ready for the time when they will have to stand before Almighty God and give an account for their lives. What I am doing is a duty that all Christians have.

Mark, when we become saved God makes us born-again and makes us new creatures in Him who no longer follow after the flesh, but follow after the Spirit. The Spirit is the Spirit of Christ that we abide in to do the Father's Will. If we are doing the Father's will, we will not be walking in darkness/sin, but in Light/righteousness. We become saints, not sinners.
---Anne on 7/3/09

Anne, you continue to avoid the questions I have ask you before.
"Are you a sinner?" You speak about others sinning and how wrong they are, how about you? "Are you without sin?" How many times have I ask you this? And you never answer.
So if you are a sinner, whether a little sinner or a big sinner, you are still a sinner. And if you are not suppose to be a sinner now then you are going to hell in a basket, if you break one of the laws, you have broken all the laws. So if you are heading to hell as you have said the Bible teaches to those who sin, then you have no right to condemn another brother or sister.
So please answer the question?
---MarkV. on 7/3/09

Mark V~ The Bible tells us in I John 5:18:

"We know that whoever is born of God does not sin, but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him."

Also in I John 3:6-9:

"Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning."

The Bible gives us clear messages about those who sin, or return to sin are not right with God. But God is ever merciful if a backslider repents and returns, God will welcome him back. What a loving God He is.
---Anne on 7/2/09

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1 Corinthians 6:9: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

To be fair, you would have to conclude that Paul was no more a sinner when he wrote 1 Corinthians 6:9. Else you could just as well send him to hell right along with Anne with your faulty logic.

1 John 3:6: "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
How about sending John next?
---Nana on 7/2/09

Anne, the question again is, "Do you still sin?". If you do then you are going to hell since you say, sin is of the devil, or does your sin not count?
---MarkV. on 7/2/09

Jesus died for the salvation of sinners. Only sinners need salvation. Mary, mother of Jesus called Jesus her Savior, even she was a sinner and admitted it. All others think they have something that is good enough to save them, but nothing they have, not even their own blood, can save them. They are still in debt. What they need is Christ works on the Cross, His blood, and His only, to pay for your sins.

Anyone teaching another gospel is a false teacher teaching a gospel of works.
---MarkV. on 7/2/09

Jesus died on the cross for those who are His deciples/followers. These are those who live to do the Father's will, just as Jesus lived to do the Father's will.

A backslidden lifestyle would mean those who turn away from God, and turn after a sin instead. James 1:12-16 warns the beloved brethren (children of God) of this:

1. Each person is tempted when he is drawn by his own desires and enticed.
2. When desire has conceived it gives birth to sin
3. And sin when full grown brings forth death
4. Do not be deceived beloved brethren

So no a backslidden lifestyle doesn not inherit heaven for:

1. Sin separates us form God since it's of the devil
2. We can't serve sin and God both
---Anne on 7/1/09

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Phil the Elder....If God choses who is in His family, why did Jesus die on the cross?
---SusieB on 7/1/09

If God chose you to be in his family you go to heaven after the resurrection and judgement.

Your conduct determines your status when yo get there.
---Phil_the_Elder on 7/1/09

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17) Our Biblical "boldness" for "the day of judgment" is how we have been perfected in God's love. In the perfection of God's love, do we have the character to be able to backslide? If we do not obey, "what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (in 1 Peter 4:17) It is clear that we have boldness "because as He is so are we in this world." So, we are wise to spend more time on how it is to be "as He is . . . in this world," instead of decoying ourselves with arguing about if we can "lose" our salvation.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/30/09

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