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How Long Is Last Generation

How could we know we are the last generation to see Christ return and how long it maybe? My answer: Israel rebirth May 1948...Matt 24:32-34 Jesus says the generation that sees the fig tree blossum again is that generation to witness his return. Ps 90 gives a hint how long it may last.

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Christ can return at any time: "And except those days should be shortened, there would no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened." Matthew 24:22. When you continue to obey: "Blessed that servant, whom their Lord when he comes will find so doing." Matthew 24:46. But if you turn away to sin, and say in your heart, My Lord delays his coming: "The Lord of that servant will come in a day when that one not looking for, and in an hour that that one is not aware of." Matthew 24:50.
---Eloy on 12/27/09

MarkV -//now we know that Eloy also holds on to the Saturday Sabbath.

Who knows what will happen next?

Perhaps after his study of the Hebrew language, he will find that Jesus was not the Promised Messiah, nor the fulfillment of OT prophecies as there were mistranslations of the OT.

He will then have to go get himself circumcised and become a Jew.

But he may have a problem with trying to join one of the Jewish sect - the Reformed, Orthodox, or Conservative,or one of the other minor Jewish sects.

---Lee on 12/26/09

Sin (disobedience to the will of God) is something that creates a barrier between the believer and God, it prevents the believer from having any meaningful fellowship with the Lord.

God cannot and does not bless those that are living in sin, even if they are born again in Him.

Sincere confession of ones sins and the determination not to continue in sin will remove the barriers between God and the believer and will restore the fellowship with God.

But the one who cannot or will not acknowledge their sins because they claim to be sinless, cannot confess their sins and the barrier between God and the believer will remain.
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09

Lee, We are not face to face when posting here on the blog, so does it matter whether the ambioguous name Lee is female or male, when responding to Lee? Likewise sometimes people call me she when I am he, but that does not deter me from posting and replying to the blogs: and when they do so, sometimes I will reply telling them my right gender, and other times I will not because gender is not significant when blogging unless the topic being addressed is specifically about gender, and the purpose each gender was created for.
---Eloy on 12/26/09

Lee, now we know that Eloy also holds on to the Saturday Sabbath. Which is a new one. All the other things we already know. My wife reads what he says and cannot understand how anyone can listen to him. We studied his life story and both of us think he needs help, but most of all a real awakening. Somewhere he went wrong and he lost everyone close to him. With his personality and attitude, we can see how that happened. Just think, anyone married to him? What they would have to go through everyday. Never been wrong, and sinless. No one could get in a word without him condemning them. What a terrible picture of a so call Christain. We need to pray for God to change him big time.
---MarkV. on 12/26/09

Eloy ... What makes you think Lee is female?

Think that through to your other pronouncements about people
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/26/09

Eloy - I really feel sorry for you as clearly you are one that has lost his way.

What you should do is to sit down with a Christian counselor who knows both the Bible and its Author and go over the basics of the Christian faith. If that does not help, then I would seek further professional help from those who dealt with mental problems.

This most likely will be my last comment I will make to you as it is doubtful I have the professional health skills to be of much further help to you.

God loves you and wants you to be of sound mind.
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09

Eloy, are you a saturday Sabbath keeper? I did not know you were a Seventh Day Ad.
---mary on 12/26/09

Gina7, consider the source, Lee is not a Christian, for she is exposed as a frequent desecrating speaker against the holy scriptures and also against all righteous Christians whom profess the truth.
---Eloy on 12/25/09

gina7 //Protecting us-Strengthening us-
From what? The evil one who tempts us to sin!

ok. we need to keep focused on Jesus, walk & abide in Him. Once we look elsewhere is when we get into trouble. Reminds me of one of the old hymns we used to sing. Keep your eyes upon Jesus.
---Lee1538 on 12/25/09

We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
---Lee1538 on 12/9/09

Does not sin
Does not keep on sinning

The meaning is the same, we as Christians do not continue to sin because Jesus protects us and keeps us from the evil one. This means, Jesus keeps us from continual sinning and in His power we overcome sin. "He that overcometh shall inherit all things" Rev 20:7
"I can do all things through Christ who strengtheneth me" Phillipians 4:13

Protecting us
Strengthening us

From what? The evil one who tempts us to sin!
---Gina7 on 12/25/09

Gina7 - there is no conflict between 1 John 1:8 & 5:18 as we will never be free of sin until we met Christ face to face -that essentially is what the doctrine of sanctification states.

We all struggle against sin.

Heb 12:4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

And there is always a conflict between our temptation to sin & the indwelling Spirit.

Ro 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.

Howbeit,our salvation is a gift by grace alone from the Lord with no qualifiers on our part as to works. 2 Eph. 2:8-10
---Lee1538 on 12/25/09

Addressed to Christians, John states -

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

The word 'have' is present tense.
---lee on 12/19/09
You say this Lee, but on another board you state this:

1 John 5:18 KJV "We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him".

But most modern versions recognize that the Greek word is one of continuation -

We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
---Lee1538 on 12/9/09
---Gina7 on 12/25/09

Lee, you and others manifesting the same deceptions as you need to embrace Christ and let him convert you into a real born-again Christian: after you become a member of the body you will no longer misapply the scripture to support sin, instead with spiritual discernment from the Lord you will then rightly apply the scriptures to exalt the truth rather than falsehood.
---Eloy on 12/25/09

We shall recognize them (the false teachers) by their fruits. I am sure one of those fruits they exhibit is condemnation of those to whom they find disagreement.

Frankly, the fruits of some these accusers smells much like a chamberpot that has not been emptied for days. Most stinky and false is the view that Christians are totally free from sin.

John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.

Since Eloy likes to judge people, he should at least learn to 'judge with right judgment' otherwise he would be wise to remain silent.
---Lee1538 on 12/24/09

Lee/Jack B, I have had my moments with Eloy also. I know what kind of fruits you get from him. Nevertheless, we cannot be as he is or respond as he does. You are right Lee, when you said,
Eloy is apparently like our Adventist friends who believe that Christians like to sin but that is only true of those not born of God's Spirit."
and that he is the only one as the Adventist and don't sin. But when a person is born again twice or three times, its hard to follow what he says. I pray for Eloy that he learns to forgive, his wife first and formost, and then forgive others. That God works a supernatural work in his life, that will produce a humble servant to the Lord.
---MarkV. on 12/24/09

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JackB, your right in that I do not know anyone whom is not of my own body. Your nonChristian fruit is your rotten fruit of blasphemy against God's holy seed, and your wresting of the holy scriptures to support sin.
---Eloy on 12/24/09

Im sorry Eloy... what fruit is that. You don't even know me, sir. How can you make such a statement?

Or is my "bad fruit" simply that I dont agree with you?
---JackB on 12/23/09

JackB **That was pretty presumptous. Have I ever claimed that I wanted to sin?

Eloy is apparently like our Adventist friends who believe that Christians like to sin but that is only true of those not born of God's Spirit.

Those that are indwelt with God's Spirit and are maturing in His Word,have found that sin is something they hate and grieve greatly over when they find it in their lives.

They both fail to realize what really happens when a person is born again in Christ the believer becomes a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17) and all those negative aspects come under assault by the Holy Spirit.

Php. 2:13 ... for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09

Elroy if this statement is true," God is not mocked. Jesus has paid for zero sins of the unrepented." Then you make a liar out of God every time he said, "whosoever will" because whosoever means everybody, anybody.
---mima on 12/23/09

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Eloy -//Jesus has paid for zero sins of the unrepented, and when you live in sin you are condemned, and Jesus will throw you in the lake of fire and brimstone in hell ...

Jesus paid for the sins of the entire world but the benefit is only those that believe, repent and acknowledge His lordship. John 3:16-18

Yes,those that are not in Christ will indeed suffer the lake of fire, howbeit, He came to save sinners like you and me,not those who believe themselves without sin, as the truth is not in them. 1 John 1:8

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Sorry Eloy but there is that PRESENT TENSE again.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09

Eloy//Lee, I already restored I John 1:8 into the right context applying it to sinners abiding in darkness ...

One major principle of interpretation of the Bible is scripture must be interpreted with scripture. While I can understand your interpretation, it really is in conflict with other scripture of the Bible.

And your interpretation is at odds with all known expositors of the Bible since its conception. You have truly deceived yourself.

Only the blind cannot to see that all people sin thro Christians strive not to as they love the Lord and wish to please Him in everything.

You truly need to repent of your ugly sinfulness while there is time otherwise if you belong to Christ you will experience His discipline.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09

Lee, you sre speaking falsely: God is not mocked. Jesus has paid for zero sins of the unrepented, and when you live in sin you are condemned, and Jesus will throw you in the lake of fire and brimstone in hell which he has created.
---Eloy on 12/23/09

JackB, I presume nothing, for you are a manifested sinner which is proven by the fruits you bear. There is no presumption when rotten fruits are manifested. But when a lost soul turns to the Lord in repentance, then that soul may become born-again and the cursed tree will be turned into the blessed tree, and no longer will be able to bear bad fruit, but rather the fruits from Christ will be borne.
---Eloy on 12/23/09

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Lee, I already restored I John 1:8 into the right context applying it to sinners abiding in darkness in 1 John 1:6, which you persist in continually taking it out of context to misapply it to the saints walking in the light.
---Eloy on 12/23/09

//now if you JackB want to sin, then you yourself go and sin, and you yourself pay the wages of it://

That was pretty presumptous. Have I ever claimed that I wanted to sin?

Because I rely upon Gods mercy when I fall short, that means I want to sin?

I would hate to be your child, Eloy. I hope you don't have children
---JackB on 12/23/09

Eloy//I pray you both will come to the knowledge of the truth,...

The knowledge of the truth comes from abiding in Christ who paid the full price for our sins - past, present, & future.

You apparently do not know too much about English grammar as 1 John 1:8 is of the present tense.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we "have" no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

"Have" is present tense meaning NOW.

Do you know anything about the doctrines of sanctification & glorification? You need to study these doctrines as Christians are not made perfect while in the flesh the instant they are born again in Christ - an event, I believe, JackB & I fully realized in our lives.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09

God does not give any one permission to sin: Be you all holy, for I the Lord your God am holy. period.
---Eloy on 12/22/09

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JackB, nope, no room for error. God's orders on daily living are to be obeyed, and not to be disobeyed: he commands a holy life, and nothing less is acceptable to him: now if you JackB want to sin, then you yourself go and sin, and you yourself pay the wages of it: but do not use the holy scripture to try to support your sin: And whenever a person wrests the scriptures to promote falsehood, then they indeed have become the enemy of the cross.
---Eloy on 12/23/09

Lee and JackB, Merry Christmas! I pray that you both will come to the knowledge of the truth, and truly turn your hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ whom has sacrificed his life so that you may be saved and become a part of my family, the blessed family of God. For it truly saddens me that you both allow your sinuous obstinance to separate you from the greatest gift of God, to become one with Christ, and instead you choose to forfeit your souls from his glory. Christ has not come to break any bruised reeds, and his recorded birthdate is without controversy, but instead he offers his life to you so that you may have redemption and blessings untold now in this lifetime, and in that to come life everlasting in his kingdom.
---Eloy on 12/22/09

Sorry, Eloy, but you just made the Pastor_Jim ignore list.

You're not even using the common sense God gave you.

If we are perfect the moment the Spirit of God enters us and we become born again, then every verse instructing us how to live as Christians is a waste of ink and paper. Yet, the Holy Spirit led these men to write what they did to teach us how to live.

Obviously even God knows there is room for error.
---JackB on 12/22/09

Eloy -//We saints are well-doers doing the works of Christ, we are not sinners doing the works of disobedience:

You apparently know little about what Romans teaches.

While you quote Romans 6:1,2 that we are not to continue in sin, Romans 7, tells us that as long as we live in the flesh we will on ocassion still sin.

7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. (PRESENT TENSE)

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not, but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not,Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. (AGAIN,PRESENT TENSE).

You need to rightfully handle the word of truth 2 Tim. 2:15
---Lee1538 on 12/22/09

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December 25, Happy Birthday Jesus, Almighty God!
---Eloy on 12/22/09

JackB, again I correct you for taking verses out of their context to support sin, for I John 1 must also include verses 2-4 to profess the correct meaning. lit. Gk: "My little children, I write this to you THAT YOU ALL NOT SIN. Though TO WHOM SOMEBODY sin, a Counsellor we have by whom Father, righteous Jesus Christ, and he the appeasement being yours for sin, except not for ours alone, but even for all the world. And hereby we do know that we know him, WHEN WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. You will find no where in scripture where the holy sins.
---Eloy on 12/21/09

Lee, again, you need discernment: We saints are well-doers doing the works of Christ, we are not sinners doing the works of disobedience: "What rightly we say then? Will we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How could we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know you all not, that to whom you all yield yourselves servants to obey, his slaves you all are to whom you all obey, whether of sin onto death, or of obedience onto righteousness?" Romans 6:1,2,16.
---Eloy on 12/21/09

Sorry but I think trying to pinpoint the time of Christs return is only gonna lead to more disappointment in the hearts of believers. It may even cause some to leave the faith.

Every time someone says "Christ will return at this time and here's scripture!" and it doesnt happen, it just makes us look like fools to the world. How do we expect the lost world to believe the words of Jesus Christ when we as Christians dont even believe when he tells us he'll come as a thief in the night and as lightning as it flashes from east to west. Its going to be unexpected.

Think of all the men and women in history who wasted years trying to figure out the exact time of Christs return instead of telling people about Him.
---JackB on 12/21/09

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1 John 2:1

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And IF any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I suppose John is talking to unbelievers here as well Eloy?
---JackB on 12/21/09

//1 John 1:8 is Not speaking of the saints walking in the light, but instead it is only speaking of the sinners walking in darkness in 1 John 1:6.

And I suppose you believe that the verb 'have' is not the present tense.

When one becomes a Christian, are you saying that he cannot sin because any trespass of the law no longer applies?

Could you provide a commentary reference that agrees with your viewpoint?
---Lee1538 on 12/21/09

Lee, The KJV is one of the very best English translations. And people are indeed denied the gospel with poorer versions of Scripture, which are not God's word but is the word of unregenerate clay. Making God's word understandable is wholly different than changing God's word to the point that it is no longer God's word. I translate the original scriptures into English, and the new Unholy Bibles remove the absolute deity of Christ, and they remove the miracles of the holy spirit, etc. And no one has been saved coming out of a church which uses an unholy Bible, though millions have come out with the delusion that they have the truth and are saved, when in fact they are still unsaved by their proof of an unchanged life of sin.
---Eloy on 12/21/09

Lee, 1 John 1:8 is Not speaking of the saints walking in the light, but instead it is only speaking of the sinners walking in darkness in 1 John 1:6.
---Eloy on 12/21/09

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Eloy - Unfruitful churches use unholy Bibles?

Are you telling me you are one of those KJV Only people?

To what extend are people denied the gospel message with the use of better versions of Scripture? The basic message can be put into simple language that people can understand without any reference to specific versions. Even KJV Onlyist do that when they preach.

And do you see anyone that has accepted Christ with a changed life coming out of a church that use what you call 'unholy Bibles'? I do and wonder why you have been looking the other way. Perhaps you view other churches as competitors to yours.
---Lee1538 on 12/21/09

Lee, What I preach is from Christ himself, but what many churches preach is not from Christ and therefore they are nonChristian churches. Many churches "use" unholy bibles and "use" the name of Jesus in their teachings, but it is a false gospel that they spout and it is none of Christ nor the word of God. By a person's fruit they bear I know the members of my body and who is of my family, and also thereby I can rightly discern whom is unsaved and whom is none of Christ. Jesus says, "A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Every tree that brings not forward good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits you all will know them."
---Eloy on 12/20/09

Eloy -//You need discernment:

Your position or interpretation that you are without sin is totally contrary to what the church has taught for the past 20 centuries.

If you were to study the lives of the most saintly people in the Christian church you would easily see that. Thus I reject your contention.

Addressed to Christians, John states -

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

The word 'have' is present tense.
---lee on 12/19/09

Sandra, I believe your answers to Matthew 24:32-34 are correct. Far from being a secret event, Jesus Himself compares His return to the brilliant flashing of electrically-charged bolts of lightning hurling across the sky. I believe that Eloy and many have been deceive. Can a genuine believer be deceived? Jesus said in Matthew 24:24, He said that satan's delusions will eventually become so subtle and powerful that only "the elect" will come through unscathed. Who are the elect? Based on the context, they must be a group of people who know the Truth Teller and the Bible so well that even the devil can't mislead them. Verse 31 also tells us that "the elect" are people who are ready for the return of Jesus Christ.
---MarkV. on 12/19/09

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Eloy, Why does God need to impute righteousness to us in order to save us?
---JackB on 12/19/09

JackB, oh sinner, until you get saved you will continue to blaspheme and believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 12/18/09

What I

What man desires to believe he is a sinner separated from God? That He is Gods enemy? That all the good things he has done in his life mean nothing because of the evil he has done?

Im glad He opened my eyes to it though.
Because now I know what a wonderful God we have. One who gives things that are not deserved.

That was just a silly comment to make, Eloy.
---JackB on 12/19/09

Lee, You need discernment: for the sheep is not the goat, nor is the wheat the tare: the righteous is not the wicked, neither is the saint the sinner: For the righteous need not an advocate, but the sinner needs an advocate: neither are the law-abiding guilty, but the law-breaker is guilty. "Jesus said to them, They that are whole need not a physician, but they that are sick: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Matthew 9:12,13.
---Eloy on 12/19/09

JackB = I guess those that believe themselves to be sinless really do not need an Advocate with the Father.1 John 2:1

I believe Eloy is a Christian but has lost his way because of his bad choice of teachers. He cannot confess his sins and they will remain unforgiveness. Poor Soul, who will open his eyes?

Keep up the Good work, JackB, I will be off the internet for a few days.
---Lee1538 on 12/18/09

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JackB, oh sinner, until you get saved you will continue to blaspheme and believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 12/18/09

Eloy, oh sinless one...

It blows my mind that you can read 1 John chapters 1 and 2 and not know that you still sin but have an advocate with the Father, your Savior Jesus Christ, the Righteous.

I mean the man is telling believers this stuff. Most of the New Testament is apostles telling us how to live properly. Seems kinda pointless for them to instruct on us on things that you seem to think come to us as instinct the instant we are "born of God".

Even the word says its a renewing of our minds. Its not instantaneous.
---JackB on 12/18/09

JackB, more snippets out of context? lit.Gk: "I, heavy tried man, somebody rescue me from the body who's of this death: I thank God by Jesus Christ who's Lord of us. Therefore then I myslef that truly determined serves God's law, though that flesh sin's law." Romans 7:24,25. And the very next 2 verses absolutely declare that Paul is not after that flesh. And Paul was telling the church that eventhough he is a proven Apostle with signs, that the church was murmuring because he ministered to them without charge. lit.Gk: "For what is it wherein you all were inferior to other churches, except that I myself was Not Burdensome to you? grant me this privilege." II Corinthians 12:13. No Sin here on Pauls' part- he is still a Saint.
---Eloy on 12/17/09

//Paul was in no way saying that he sinned after his conversion//

Rom 7:24,25 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

2Co 12:11-13 I am become a fool in glorying, ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing..........
For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.
---JackB on 12/16/09

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You see, Paul was in no way saying that he sinned after his conversion, but comparing how he sinned BEFORE his conversion, but now sins not. Notice how Paul says in verse 16 and 20, "Pretend" or in the KJV reads "If" I do sin, for we know that Paul did not sin after his conversion, but rather did right after his conversion. Else Paul would not be a saint, but as you wrongly say, a sinner. Mima the saint is not the sinner, nor the goat the sheep, the tare is not the wheat, nor the wicked the righteous, either one is bad or else the good tree, but not both. Once a person is transformed that person has Christ's seed and nature dwelling wihtin them and no longer has sin which Christ has conquered victoriously over.
---Eloy on 10/8/09

mima, lit. Gk: "For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were aroused by the law, did work in our members to bring forward fruit onto death. But now we are delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by. For we know that the law stands spiritual when I be like fleshly, having been sold under that sin. Pretend then I do that which I should not, I confess that the law right. Now pretend I do what I should not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me. Therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 7:5,6,14,16,20+ 8:1,2.
---Eloy on 10/8/09

How does this statement,
"Sandra, only nonregenerate flesh sins"

Made by---Eloy on 10/2/09

Agree with the statements made by Paul, 14 years after his conversion, in Romans 7:17-18 and 19,

"17-Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18-For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19-For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."
---mima on 10/5/09

Sandra, only nonregenerate flesh sins. But as a "thief in the night", it is only to those whom choose to give their flesh over to sin being most people, rather than to those of us whom live in and for Christ which is very few people. For just as in Noah's day, ONLY 8 souls were living in righteousness and the whole rest of the entire world was living in sin, so too at Christ's return will very few be living without sin. Ever since the beginning the word was, "I set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing, CHOOSE this day whom you will serve, God or sin, Obedience or damnation, and the world chooses sin rather than right and therefore is rightly condemned for their free choice of choosing sin over right.
---Eloy on 10/2/09

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Alan, A-men, the key is to always live in and with and for Jesus Christ our blessed Savior 24 hours each day and 7 days every week, for at any moment at any time he can call any soul which he has created for himself to depart away from this world at any moment that he so chooses, whether we sleep or whether we are awake: and should any soul be without him that soul will be eternally separated from him. So it is wise for each one of us to always be prepared to meet our maker, for he alone holds the breath and life of each creature in the palm of his hand, so I pray Lord, let my breath be yours always and at all times.
---Eloy on 10/3/09

Sandr4873: "To further my theory..."

Your theory? Why must it be always your theory? What about God's facts.

And by the writings of all these posts, everyone has a theory. What a shame no one has the facts. Except, of course, what the Holy Spirit revealed to me.
---Steveng on 10/2/09

To Eloy and Alan
Of course knowing the very day or hour of his return is not biblical but knowing the times of the season is. Where it says he's coming as a "thief of the night" are to those who are not watching for His return. I encourage you to read 1Thes 5:2-5.
Ready Christians are alert watching, praying, and discerning the times. These people will not be caught off guard when Christ raptures the Church as the children of darkness because they are living their lives everyday as though He can come at that very moment...even though our flesh will sin but our spirits should be ready through prayer and repentance.
Let's be knowledgable of our Saviour's return. Hosea 4:6 says we perish because we lack knowledge.
---sandr4873 on 10/2/09

Part 2
1Th 5:2 For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you like a thief.
1Th 5:5 You are all the sons of light and the sons of the day. We are not of the night, or of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep as the rest do, but let us watch and be calm.
1Th 5:7 For those sleeping sleep in the night, and those being drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be calm, having put on the breastplate of faith and love and the hope of salvation for a helmet.
5:9 For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
---sandr4873 on 10/2/09

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Sandra, count down has not begun in 1948. Man has always tried to "set dates" for God's return. But God will not return when any human desires, but only when God whom is commanded by no creature desires to return when he alone will. I know God, and he knows me, and suffice it to say that he will return when least expected, just as he did in history, mankind continued in their sins forgetting God daily, and then he suddenly came to his creation and destroyed them all for their wickedness. The most important thing is that each single soul must be ready for his return right now, daily, and not at any future date. Even as I write this many are giving up their ghost back to him whom gave it to be sealed in their eternal judgment.
---Eloy on 10/2/09

sandr4873 ... You need to include also Matt 16.4.

Jesus said He will return like a thief in the night ... it will be sudden and unexpected and unannounced. He also told us we should NOT try to work out when it would be.

Live always as if it will be the next second, or tonight while you are asleep
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/2/09

Eloy...i understand Matt 24 pretty well and yes He will have to shorten time because of the mad destruction of lives that will be going on. All I'm saying here Eloy, Jesus desires we know the generation He's coming back to so we can prepare our hearts unto wisdom.
Eloy...remember in Matt 16:1-3 Jesus got very angry with the pharisees and saducess because they could discern the weather better than discerning the times of his 1st coming? Jesus gave that generation before his 1st coming the prophecy of Daniel's 70 weeks read Dan 9:24-27.
We both pretty much agree we are living in the final days but we need to be educated as to why, to win souls. Rebirth of Israel land is the start point of this last generaton...countdown began at 1948!
---sandr4873 on 10/1/09

sandra, generation in this passage is synonymous with age. In Matthew 24 Jesus says that he "cuts the time short", and if not, then no flesh would be saved. This is why he says no one knows the numbered day because Jesus tells us that he is comming back before he planned. He set an exact date for his second coming, but because of the high speed fast-forwarding wickedness and violence across the land which greatly destroys the innocent- yes, even worse than what was in Sodom and Amorrah's day and in Noah's day- thus he comes back sooner than he planned. This is why each soul must be prepared for his return, else they be found with sin rather than with Christ and be left to eternal destruction rather than gathered up to eternal glory.
---Eloy on 10/1/09

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I'm speaking of a specific generation here...I have heard from 40 to up 120yrs. But Psalms 90 nailed it for all generations
Psa 90:1 A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
and it goes on to say...
Psa 90:10 The days of our years are seventy, and if any by strength live eighty years, yet their pride is labor and sorrow, for it soon passes, and we fly away.

Therefore Jesus says "This generation shall not pass" is speaking of when you see Israel return as a nation start counting down. 1948+80 yrs is very close to 2000 yrs after Jesus' rose from the grave. Your 40yrs theory won't work here because 1948+40 had already passed.
---sandr4873 on 9/29/09

A generation is 40 years, from parents at 20 years of age to their children at 20 years of age. Matthew chapter 24 tells us to, Be ready at all times: for if he would not have cut the time short, then no flesh would be saved.
---Eloy on 9/26/09

To further my theory that Ps 90:10-14 was speaking to the last generation. It mentions 1) God's coming wrath 2) that we should learn how to number our days 3) The rapture (we fly away) and 4) the Return of the Lord (Jesus Christ). 1948+80=2028, isn't this nearly 2 days (or 2000yrs) after Jesus' death?
The days of our years are threescore years and ten, and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow, for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
---Sandr4873 on 8/11/09

Donna66, Num.32.13 "The Lord's anger burned against Israel and made them wander in the desert forty years,until the whole GENERATION of those who had done evil in His sight was gone."
---1st_cliff on 8/9/09

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Yes Sandra I agree that we know based on the parable you referenced, fulfilled in 1948. (Jer 12:15>Jer 23:3>Jer 24:5,6)
Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel,
"It shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again,... every man to his land.
I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds, and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah,.... For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: .. I will plant them, and not pluck [them] up.
---Josef on 8/7/09


Just curious...

If they wandered in the desert 40 years "until the generation died off" wouldn't that mean that a generation had to be MORE than 40 yrs?
It's not talking about those born at the time of or AFTER the Exodus. If it was... 40 years would mean an untimely death for them all.
---Donna66 on 8/6/09

Thanks Bill for the confimation, for others this is what Jesus had to say of those lack discernment of his 1st coming. Matt 16:1-4, in a nutshell he was saying "you can discern the weather if it will rain or not but you couldn't discern this generation to witness the Messiah to be born of a virgin and latter cut off? This was prophesied in the Daniel 70 week prophecy...the countdown started from when the king (Xeres) gave a commandment to go back and rebuild Israel and from there it would be 69 wks or 483 yrs (1wk=7yrs)until Christ would be killed.
Now we two are to discern the season of his coming, not the day or hour but just know the season...and we most definitely are.
---sandr4873 on 8/5/09

A bible "generation" is 40 years, They wandered in the desert,40 years 'till the "generation" died off!
When was your generation? the 50s, 60s 70s ?? etc.
The seniors in nursing homes- it's not their generation, nor the new borns.
---1st_cliff on 8/3/09

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"Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone, these, where [had] they [been]?
Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in [their] arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon [their] shoulders.
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once?" Israel was indeed reborn as a geographical sovereign nation in one day.
Isa 49:21,22>Isa 66:8
---josef on 8/3/09

Ps. 90 indicates that the lifespan of a man is 70 yrs...or maybe 80. If the lifespan of a person is the same as a "generation" we could have 9-10 years to go...but that's figuring on the basis of a person born in 1948. However, most of the people who saw Israel become a nation were older than newborn in 1948, so many have died already. That means the return could be anytime
---Donna66 on 8/2/09

Sandra,Yes you are correct.And its been 61 years since israel rebirth,so jesus can come any time,and will.All bvible scholars agree the scripture you quoted is the rebirth of the nation of Israel,which happened over 61 years ago,so hold on the ride starts shortly.
---tom2 on 8/2/09

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