Can Angels Take Human Form
Aka- your words I have quoted word for word. It's you who is promoting polytheism not me. I only call you a polytheist because that is what you promote. And you do not deny you are a polytheist. You may deny it but your comments say otherwise.
You are unable to refute your polytheist comments which tends to mean you agree with the fact that the pagan trinity does promote polytheism. Afterall, the trinity began in ancient Egypt long before Jesus Christ came to earth. Egypt and Babylon were steeped in polytheist beliefs. There's nothing new about your polytheist trinity doctrine.
In like manner, the more you post the more I feel I'm on the right track.
---David8318 on 9/13/11|
david8318- i simply do not have time to post as much as you.
you put my words in quotes like those are my exact words. you also do that with scripture.
let me state clearly for others. I believe in One Godliness made of Divine Spirits: Jehovah, Jesus, the and the Holy Spirit.
Again like last year, I say, please call me a polytheist if you like. You will again call me that next year. it brings me great comfort to be called a polytheist by a JW. It lets me know I am on the right track.
---aka on 9/12/11|
MarkV- you told me on 9/9/11: 'David, you don't believe He was completely human and completely God how can you understand 1 Peter.'
Now you tell me: 'David, 1 Peter 3:18 does not say He was God and He was man.'
Thus, as demonstrated quite eloquently by yourself you simply do not know what you are talking about. MarkV I'm sure you make things up as you go along. I doubt whether you realise you contradict yourself time and again.
You have been forced to recant your statement that 1 Peter says Jesus is 'completely human and completely God', so why should anyone accept what you believe when it comes to your understanding of the nature of God when you're not sure yourself!? You cannot be taken seriously.
---David8318 on 9/12/11|
"1 Cor. 15:45 doesn't say Jesus Christ became a Spirit, but became a life given Spirit." Mark_V
What translation are you citing that reads: "Life given Spirit" instead of a"Life-giving Spirit"?
If that was just a typo and you're suggesting that a "Spirit" is different from a "Life-giving Spirit", Isn't that a bit like saying:...
'He wasn't a Judge but a law-giving judge"? Or...
'She wasn't a mother but a child-bearing mother?'
---scott on 9/12/11|
David 2: One passage does not make Christ God, but many passages as a whole testifies He is God. Yet some who are out to strip His Deity from Him will avoid reading them, or make up their minds they will remain in their error, so they will try to handpick those passages that seem to imply or those which speak from His humanity to strip Him of His Divine nature. But that ok, because the Truth has survived through all the attempts of heretics through history because it can only be revealed by the Father and we know that because God has told us that in His Word. I know that you are sincere, but sincerely wrong. This doctrine is one of the most essentials of the Christian faith. And anyone preaching against it, is not a Christian in faith.
---Mark_V. on 9/12/11|
David, it was me who has said that Christ is mentioned with the same name as Elohim. In fact with many other names also that have no room to quote. In His Devine nature. I'm not talking about the human Person of Jesus, for He was not yet born. Many passages link Christ with the name Jehovah. Why? because He is God. Read Zechariah 12:10, Where Jehovah is speaking, the description is to be applied clearly to Christ: "They shall look unto Me whom they have pierced"
As Elohim, Isaiah 40:3, Christ here is spoken as both Jehovah and Elohim, repeated in Luke 3:4. In Isaiah 9:6,7) Christ is called "the might God (Elohim)" and its apparent that Elohim in the Old T. is God in the New T. (Greek-theos).
---Mark_V on 9/12/11|
Aka comment made 9/11/11- 'david8318-i never said jesus was Elohim' is interesting because neither did I say aka said 'Jesus was Elohim'.
Aka has come to this conclusion himself- recognising what his own comments made on 9/9/11 actually amount to.
Seems aka has scarpered again, either unwilling to challenge his polytheist belief's or because he has been forced to recognise his polytheism.
It is clear trinitarianism misleads people such as aka into polytheism- aka stated Jesus is not Jehovah yet 'all three (inc.the HS) are Elohim'. Aka knows Jesus and Jehovah are not the same yet they are (to aka) both 'Elohim'. This is polytheism.
How very sad, but how true that the pagan trinity leads to polytheism- 2 Tim.3:13.
---David8318 on 9/12/11|
David 2: 1 Cor. 15:45 doesn't say Jesus Christ became a Spirit, but became a life given Spirit.
If you studied you'd know here Paul answers the question of (v.35) more specifically by showing that the resurrection body of Jesus Christ is the prototype: He first quotes from (Gen. 2:7) with the addition of two words, "first" and "Adam." Adam was created with a natural body, not perfect but good in every way (Gen. 3:1). The "last Adam" is Jesus Christ (Rom. 5:19,21). He is saying that through the first Adam we received our natural bodies, but through the last Adam we will receive our spiritual bodies in the Resurrection. We will bear the image of His body fit for heaven (Acts 1:11: Phil. 3:20,21: 1 John 3:1-3).
---Mark_V. on 9/12/11|
David, 1 Peter 3:18 does not say He was God and He was man. The passage is talking about His humanity (His flesh), not His deity. For His deity cannot become Spirit for it is already the Spirit of God. For He comes to the world from God that is why He is God in His Divine Spirit. The Person of Jesus was made alive by the Spirit.
"For Christ also suffered once for sin, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, (for He came from God) being put to death () but made alive by the Spirit" His flesh was made alive. Not His divine nature. It was and always will be Divine.
---Mark_V. on 9/12/11|
MarkV- I had already asked you 2 questions before you decided to ask any. And you're not asking questions- you're making statements, expecting an answer.
My specific questions to you, asked of you first were- Where in the OT is Jesus called 'the angel of Jehovah', and where in 1 Peter does it say Jesus is 'completely human and completely God'. Apparently according to you nobody can understand 1 Peter otherwise.
Your attempt at questions, or rather statements are based on your trinitarian philosophies. What questions have you asked? Jesus is not God on earth or part God, part man or part anything else. Jesus came 'in the flesh', 'in the likeness of man', not in the likeness of God.
---David8318 on 9/11/11|
David, again you did not answer my response, you gave another question. You do not respond because you cannot explain the Truth. The Jews were just like you, they were ready to stone Him and Jesus in His humanity, said,
"Do you say of Him (Jesus) whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, because I said, "I am the Son of God? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me, But if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him" ( John 10:36-38).
If the Father is Spirit and is in Jesus the human, doesn't it tell you that He has a Divine nature in His humanity?
---Mark_V. on 9/11/11|
MarkV- you have not answered any of my questions (evidently because you are unable to). Is it not surprising that people don't answer yours?
For example, I ask where in 1 Peter does it say Jesus is 'completely human and completely God'? You believe 1 Peter teaches this- please show us where?
I also asked you to provide evidence that Jesus is the OT 'angel of Jehovah'. It's very likely Jesus was/is the 'angel of Jehovah' but you appear so sure of this. Where does the Bible specifically teach this?
I don't believe Jesus 'had' a soul in your understanding of what soul means. Jesus WAS a soul.
Where have I called Jesus' word lies? I might have called the trinity a lie, but this doesn't mean I call Jesus a liar.
---David8318 on 9/11/11|
Aka- I never said you said 'Jesus is Elohim'.
However, what I have pointed out is that you (and trinitarianism as a whole) preach polytheism.
In your comment 9/9/11 you said '//Jesus is not Jehovah// Correct...' and in the same sentence you said 'all three are Elohim'. So my point was if Jesus is not Jehovah and yet 'all three are Elohim', then this is a polytheist belief. Trinitarianism leads people into false polytheist theology which has no foundation in scripture- Deut.6:4.
You even quote the Bible verse 'For I am Jehovah your God [Elohim]'. You already agree Jesus in not Jehovah, but 'all three are Elohim'. Truth is you've come face to face with your polytheism Aka, and it's taken you 2 days to confront the issue.
---David8318 on 9/11/11|
david8318-i never said jesus was Elohim.
---aka on 9/11/11|
No, not for their will, but yes for Gods purpose.
---candice on 9/10/11|
\\Jesus' body was laid 'in the rock' which had been 'hewn out'. Does that suggest an above ground construction? \\
Have you ever seen either the Anastasis in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre or even the Garden Tomb in Jerusalem?
Neither are above ground, but ARE in hewn out rocks.
This is quite typical for burials in first century Palestine.
In any case, you miss the Scripture's point. "Heart of the earth" refers to Sheol, where He went, not to His burial.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/11|
"David you did not respond..." Marv_V
On a previous thread I asked you, without any response, the question below. For your convenience I will re-post it here:
You said: "Jesus in His humanity was submissive to the Father."
Paul wrote 1 Corinthians after Christ's death and resurrection, obviously speaking of a future event.
"When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all." 1 Corinthians 15:28 ASV
How do you explain this?
---scott on 9/10/11|
Jesus is/was/will never be an angel (messenger): He is the Message.
---micha9344 on 9/10/11|
MarkV obviously can't find any scriptures in 1 Peter which say Jesus is 'completely human and completely God'. MarkV won't find any verses. Jesus was never human and God at the same time. This is false trinitarian teaching.
Trinitarianism & MarkV promote a false gospel and a false Christ.
The Apostle Peter (and Paul) teach Jesus came 'in the flesh', was a perfect human being, sinless and who died to pay for and cancel the sin of Adam and was raised by Jehovah 'in the spirit'- back to spirit life as a spirit creature (1 Peter 3:18, 1Cor.15:45, Romans 5:18.19, Heb.4:15).
Resurrected as a spirit creature, Jesus used his ability to put on human form to appear to his disciples to prove & reassure them of his resurrection.
---David8318 on 9/10/11|
Cluny- was Jesus laid 'in an above-ground tomb'?
'...and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock.' (NIV)
'...And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock.' (KJV)
'...And put it in the resting-place which had been cut out of the rock for himself.' (ASV)
Jesus' body was laid 'in the rock' which had been 'hewn out'. Does that suggest an above ground construction? I suggest you pay more attention to the Bible than False-odox songs or hymns.
Jesus' analogy with Jonah's experience is correct. Jesus would be dead during 3 days.
Why in your view is 'the heart of the earth' the real issue here anyway?
---David8318 on 9/10/11|
David, you didn't respond to my answer concerning His humanity, having a soul and a Spirit just like all humans. So now you come out with another question.
So I say, When did God loved the World? When He created it. When did He sent His Son? When He created the world.
"For God so loved the world that He sent His only Begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting Life" (John 3:16).
The Son were told,
"O Father, glorify Me together with Youself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" ( John 17:5 ).
This was the Son speaking. Yet you still do not believe. You call His words lies, because you have the wrong jesus. Not the One from the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/11|
\\And Jesus used the account of Jonah to illustrate how long he would remain in 'the heart of the earth'- ie. 3 days and 3 nights.
You've touched on the real issue: what does "heart of the earth" mean?
It certainly can't refer to the way His body was buried. It was merely placed on a shelf--arcosolium--in an above-ground tomb, awaiting dissolution of the body, at which point the bones would be wrapped and placed in an ossuary.
However, as the Orthodox Church sings, "In the tomb with the body, in Sheol with the Soul, as God on the Throne with the Father and the Spirit, were you, O Christ God, filling all things, limited by none."
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/11|
Ruben, that's what the account of Jonah was to Jesus- an analogy. And Jesus used the account of Jonah to illustrate how long he would remain in 'the heart of the earth'- ie. 3 days and 3 nights.
You believe Christ would be conscious during those 3 days and nights following his "death"? So you don't believe Christ died? I disagree. This is where the trinity attacks the very core of the Christian teaching. The pagan trinity doctrine negates the sacrifice of Christ as payment for our sins, a sacrifice which involves the death of Christ.
'For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant... without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness'- Heb.9:15-22 (NIV). A perfect sacrifice is required.
---David8318 on 9/9/11|
After his death 'in the flesh' Jehovah resurrected Jesus back to spirit life- 1 Cor.15:45,
---David8318 on 9/9/11
The reason 'flesh' and blood' cannot inherit the kingdom is because natural man needs to be Born again (JHN 3 :3-6).
In Matthew 12:40 it reads "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man be.."
Jonas was conscious "Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly"(J 2:1)So Jesus himself would be conscious otherwise he would be giving a false analogy.
1 TIMOTHY 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus "
This is present tense, Jesus was still a man!
---Ruben on 9/9/11|
MarkV- please show me in 1 Peter where Christ was 'completely human and completely God'? Can you find any scripture saying Jesus was 'completely God'? If you can't, then it can be said that you preach a different gospel, and a different Christ- not the Christ of the scriptures.
Jesus Christ was a human being from his birth on earth to his death on the torture stake (1 Jo.4:2,10). Before coming to earth as a human being he was as you point out an 'angel of Jehovah'. To come to earth, Jesus 'emptied' himself of his divine nature and 'took a slave's form and came to be in the likeness of men'- not in the likeness of God (Phil.2:7).
After his death 'in the flesh' Jehovah resurrected Jesus back to spirit life- 1 Cor.15:45, 1 Peter 3:18.
---David8318 on 9/9/11|
David, you don't believe He was completely human and completely God how can you understand 1 Peter. Scripture bears witness to the physical characteristics of the human body of Christ, and speaks specifically of the fact that He possessed a human rational soul and spirit. According to Matt. 26:38 Christ said to His disciples "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death." This could hardly be attributed to His Divine nature, it was in reference to the fact He possessed a human soul.
Another statement is given in John 13:21 in regard to His human spirit where it is recorded, "When Jesus had thus said, He was troubled in the spirit." It is evident Christ possessed not only a human soul but a human spirit.
---Mark_V. on 9/9/11|
I am a lover of GOD, and i have been delivered. I am reading about angels in the bible. Yes i believe angels are messengers of GOD! but when humans start saying they see angels and experience them i would be very careful your not talking or looking at the devil as he disguises himself very frequently. I say this with experience. I personally talk to GOD and OUR LADY only, as you dont know if you are actually communicating with an angel or DEVIL....
---natalie_dambiec on 9/8/11|
MarkV- Does the Bible say Jesus was the 'angel of Jehovah' in the OT? That's only an assumption. But I'll go along with your assumption. Jesus was an angel of Jehovah before he came to earth, that's true.
The scriptures say Jesus was resurrected 'in the spirit'- 1 Pe.3:18. Jesus 'became a life giving spirit'- 1 Cor.15:45. After his resurrection, Jesus returned to what he was before he came to earth- an angel of Jehovah.
It was necessary for Jesus now resurrected as a spirit being to put on human form to appear to his disciples to convince them of his resurrection. Some didn't recognise the body he appeared in- Jo.20:15. A flesh and bone human cannot walk through locked doors or solid walls. Yet Jesus as a spirit could- and he did.
---David8318 on 9/8/11|
David, Christ was not an angel in His humanity, He was the Son of the Living God in His Divine nature. Your jesus in not the Jesus of the Bible. In the Old Testament, He was known as the Angel of the Jehovah and many other names, but He was still the Son of God in nature, way before He took human form. In His humanity He was not an angel, but the incarnated Christ. Christ as the Angel of the Lord is identified as Jehovah in numerous Old T. passages. When the Angel of Jehovah spoke to Hagar (Gen. 16:7-13) He was identified as Jehovah (v.18). The account of the sacrifice of Isaac (Gen. 22:15-18) affords the same identification. In some instances the expression "Angel of God" is used as a synonym for Jehovah, the Hebrew for God.
---Mark_V. on 9/8/11|
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
John 20:28,29 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
If some here could only see the true Christ!!
---micha9344 on 9/7/11|
As is evident in Genesis, angels sent by God did let's say, materialise or take on human form to encourage Lot to flee Sodom- even eating with Lot (Gen.19:3).
More significantly, after his resurrection 'in the spirit' was Jesus able to materialise a human body and appear to his disciples (1 Cor.15:45, 1 Pe.3:18). Even eating with them as did the materialised angels in Lot's day (Jo.21:9-15). As an angelic spirit creature, Jesus was able to enter locked rooms (Jo.20:19) and convince his disciples of his resurrection. This post-resurrection materialsied human body Jesus appeared in was not the flesh and blood he sacrificed days earlier.
Jesus came 'in the flesh' (which he sacrificed- 1 Jo.4:2,10) and was raised 'in the spirit'.
---David8318 on 9/7/11|
Fin, whoever you are, I never said such thing. Go back and read what I said. They manifest themselves many times as human beings. In many cases in the Bible they don't manifest as humans. In many cases they do. The argument was that everywhere in Scripture where angels are mention they were always messengers, real human being, not angels. And I said where ever the context shows it was an angelic angel it will say so, whenever it was a human messenger it will say so.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/11|
the spirit wars are on , so people must be careful , I like tommorows world sermons , especially the one on the keys of prayer
---J on 9/2/11|
Angels do appear as humans, the good ones protected by god will be hard to detect because they have aura protection. An angel can make you admit stuff and you wouldn't remember telling them. A good human angel attract animals, insects, swinging leaves. Animals have sense to this I dont know why but mabee its the heart of the animals. The Human angels bend time and make 1 Whole day feel like a second. They dont need to see you to heal you just be near them. human angels allow humans to be them selfs naturally. They can bring the best out of positive people and worst out of negative people. God is the best and has angels to help the Universe and other planets and stars. They can keep the world and universe together through God, God I luv you.
---God_Loves_everything on 9/1/11|
The later Leon, they are messengers and appear as men so we can see them. Know they are there when we don't see them but they obey their Father as messengers or merchants of terror where its necessary we see a manifestation of their presence.
---larry on 3/22/11|
As far as I can tell, angels take human form--or at least are perceived as such--only when they are sent on a mission by God.
But then again, are not the holy angels living in perfect obedience to God's will? So perhaps they will to appear in human form when God wills they do.
---Cluny on 3/18/11|
In reading these answers given here I am reminded of the richness of Christianet. I know of no other place where I can so quickly and cheaply find out what other people think and I want to say again thank you to Christianet.
---mima on 3/17/11|
I believe that some of us are angels in human form, others former demons (previous angels) trying to get back in the good graces of God, and some of us are humans developing our souls (selves).
---Jimmy on 3/17/11|
To Markv. You said there was nothing in scripture that shows angles to be able to take on human form. I present Genesis 19:1 "1That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. 2My lords, he said, come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then get up early in the morning and be on your way again. If they did not have bodies then why did Lot offer his home so they may wash their feet?
---Fin on 7/24/10|
i know that demons are real and angels because one angel one nite was in my room and said they love me when i thought that god didnt in a deep voice
---shavon_thomas on 6/20/10|
Always for God's good purposes. A little education here for myself. Hope others are interested....The Bible does not state, [the devil hates honesty], does not state whether each believer has a specific guardian angel, or whether various angels on occasion simply protect and aid the heirs of salvation. And what a heir that is. Non-the-less, both are logical possibilties....Angels as well as man are creation, a special act of God. In personalities, no two are alike....Angels are stronger than man, smarter than man, and swifter than man. Angels are inferior to the living God. Hallelujah. Scriptures, yes>>> Mark 16:5, Matthew 28:3. Take a footnote: Angels were created to glorify Jesus Christ.
---catherine on 5/17/10|
Leon, I agree with you. Gen. 6:4 is again as I said, speculation. No where does it say they were angels. If we had one place where it said they were, we would be able to say they were. Angels manifest themselves as humans, but never do they make for themselves a human body. They can possess people, torment them, but cannot make themselves human bodies. They cannot procreate either. If someone can find a passage that says they can, I would like to read it myself. If Scripture anywhere tells us that God ordered an angel to turn himself into a human, I would like to read that one too. I don't think there is though.
---MarkV. on 5/16/10|
"Angels" and "demons" were thought to be "somewhere out there" until my husband died, leaving me with two kids. I dismissed any "ghostly experiences" from him as just stress, say nothing and it would "go away". Until my kids and house guests shared similar "experiences" but the real twist was a "sighting" from a stranger (who, in the doctors office, overheard his name as I talked with a clerk). Most of the accounts were from around the day he got put on life support. I never asked anyone had they "seen him", As I became convinced that he was allowed some time around as an "angel", I always watch out for "demons" imitating him
---Sherry on 5/15/10|
They will appear as men as God directs. God designed celestial bodies differently and has given man dominion over the earth and celestial beings dominion over the air.
The evil angels primarily work through the influence of the mind and are very effective residing in human form.
The others are God's messengers and are sent and are visible for a specific purpose and time. We may recognize them as large men with blinding faces or unassuming men who go unnoticed. The point to remember is that when angels are visible its a wonderful confirmation of God's purpose and will for such a moment.
---larry on 5/11/10|
The Bible says that angels are being sent to those who are to be heirs of Salvation. In other words: angels work on people that are predestinated to be saved, either in human form or whatever shape. This is a mistery in Gods Plan of Salvation. We are to believe in God and his Son Jesus Christ, because he is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one cometh to the Father but by Him. Not everyone is going to be saved but the ones who are, they have the privilege to receive angels unawares in order to be strenghtened in their Faith-Walk. (Does it make sense ?) God Bless !
---Tom on 5/11/10|
Heb 13:1 Let brotherly love continue.
Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
---JackB on 12/16/09|
Devon: The point I was making was if demons could make human bodies for themselves to inhabit (they can't) they wouldn't have to seek & possess (hijack) the bodies of lost people. My comments had to do with the claim of some CN bloggers that the sons of God (G6:2) were fallen angels who decided, APART FROM GOD'S WILL, they'd make human bodies for themselves & marry the daughters of men. Bloggers who believe fallen angels (demons) can, at will, make human bodies to inhabit error from Bible truth.
---Leon on 11/1/09|
Yes, angels can take human-form (See Judges.13). Angels do not do anything on their own will. Human-beings are thus more privileged. God's good angels perform God's instructions. Evil-angels or demons perform their evil master's instruction if God & His children do not oppose them.
---Adetunji on 10/15/09|
unless its a cherub or some other creature, angels look like us.
---larry on 10/13/09|
To the guy who asked why angels can hi-jack a human body if it can take on its own flesh....I believe it was Leon...Well, Leon, Fallen angels or DEMONS as they are called, hi-jack (as you say) or go into(possess) human beings who sin and allow them into their bodies by their sin. Your disobedience allows them into your body. You ask why would demons want to enter you? So that they can cause your destruction, of course! It is better for them to possess you than to have their own flesh because then they can make you miserable and cause you to sin continually in the hopes that you will eventually die in your sin and then poof!.. another soul will not enter into heaven..that's why they would want to enter a human more than take on flesh. -Bless.
---deyon on 10/9/09|
"LET NO ONE DISQUALIFY YOU insisting on self-abasement and worship of angels...".
There is absolutely no reason that we are to be aware of angels (let them be) in our devotion/relationship to JESUS. Our relationship must be with and to JESUS ONLY...
Jesus is GOD IN ENTIRETY/completeness. The bible is the REFERENCE book that will lead us to know "the doctrine of Christ" (Hebrews 6:1, 2 John verse 9) so that we will have GOD in entirety...
"the WHOLE fulness of deity".
Let angels alone, they have nothing to do with DEVOTION (where our heart must be).
---more_excellent_way on 9/17/09|
Thanks Lawrence. I agree wholeheartedly! :)
---Leon on 8/31/09|
Only when God needs an angel to be in human like form. Not at the angel's will, But only at God's will, because created them to do such when needed.
---Lawrence on 8/31/09|
Lawrence: When you say, "Yes they sure can," are you saying yes angels can materialize in human form as they choose to or are you saying they are made to appear as God wills? I think you mean the latter, but I just want to be sure I understand you. Thanks. :)
---Leon on 8/31/09|
Yes they sure can. In the Old-Testament, God sent 2 angels to direct Lot & his family out of Sodom & Gomorah. Another instance even tho the angel was in spirit form, he talked through the mouth of a donky to the Prophet, even other. Still even today God will use as how He see's to do so. We never know at times that we may entertain angels unawares.
---Lawrence on 8/31/09|
I believe this. I remember when I was in a car accident in 1997. My angel took form as my father's features. He was the only one who came near me and comforted me at the wreck. I asked all witnesses where he was - NO ONE say him. Still til this day I remember what he looks like. When he placed his hand on my shoulder, I was at complete peace. I believe they take the form for God's purposes. Thanks for letting me share.
---Tiffany on 8/30/09|
Brother, There's no offense from you say 'Hmmm'. I make allowances for other peoples mannerisms!! I'm just looking for your motivation as to why you addressed all of this...
...Shawne M.T.:"God" sends (dispatches) his angels & makes it possible for them to appear in human form. God alone creates. Angels (God's ministering spirits & demonic fallen spirits) can't make physical bodies for themselves. However, demons can & do regularly possess the bodies of lost human beings. Why would they possess (hijack) human beings if they have the ability to make their own human bodies to inhabit? Hmmm!--Leon 8/28/09...
...to me? As if you heard me share something to the contrary, that prompted your above post!!
---Shawn.M.T on 8/30/09|
"Bible says angels are spirits (Ps. 104:4, Heb. 1:7)" Leon I certainly can not argue that, Jesus Himself said that "a spirit hath not flesh and bones [as He has]."
Let's all REMEMBER,
Jesus said this to his D's, AFTER his rez. and he ate too.
They thought that they were seening a ghost/spirit, and the Lord told them to handle him to see that he is NOT a Spirit and then he asked for some food and said does a spirit eat as you see me eat.
One day, you too will have a body that is as his is and that travels in a the Blink of an eye!
---YLBD on 8/30/09|
"Bible says angels are spirits (Ps. 104:4, Heb. 1:7)" Leon I certainly can not argue that, Jesus Himself said that "a spirit hath not flesh and bones [as He has]." Yet we are informed that "All flesh [is] not the same [type of] flesh:" What does the body of sea creatures consist of? We are also informed that "[There are] also 'celestial bodies',(existing in heaven), and bodies terrestrial: (existing on earth) but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another." Unfortunately we are not informed as to what constitutes the celestial body. Man is destined for a 'spiritual' body. A derivative of the same root word as "spirits" used in Heb. 1:7:o) 1Cr 15:40-49.
---Josef on 8/30/09|
I should clarify what I meant by this "they appear as they are". I was speaking in terms of form.
As far as the glory of their essence is concerned, I believe that is revealed or veiled according to the Father's will and purpose for their manifest presence among humans.
---Josef on 8/29/09|
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What you say is interesting Josef & I admit I've never heard that view before. However, the Bible says angels are spirits (Ps. 104:4, Heb. 1:7). They were made (created) by God to occasionally appear in physical bodies, capable of eating physical food whenever God wants them to. Nevertheless, angels are spirits -- not physical beings like us.
So-called (implied) angels food (Ps. 78:25) was actually manna/bread from heaven the children of Israel ate in the wilderness (Ex. 16:4, Ps. 78:24, Jn. 6:31). Other than being described as angels' food, there's no Bible evidence indicating the spirit-beings angels actually ate manna, the physical bread God made fall from heaven.
---Leon on 8/29/09|
Shawn M.T.: Sorry! I didn't mean to offend you. :) That was a generalized "Hmmm", not directed at you, but to make a point to ALL who think angels can, at will, make human bodies for themselves to materialize in and/or inhabit.
Again, I apologize for unintentionally offending you.
---Leon on 8/29/09|
Angels are given human form for God's purposes, as He wills. Most times they are in spirit form.
---Leslie on 8/29/09|
I personally believe that an angels form is not unlike our own. I believe they are simply different in elemental makeup and state of being, and that they appear to us as they are.
The basis of my belief is the fact that man was able to be sustained by what amounted to angels food. Physical food suggest a physical body.
After all "Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full." Psa 78:25
---Josef on 8/29/09|
"...I have not found a passage that says they can at will."
Very true MarkV & you won't. I'm not saying angels can't appear in human form. The Bible, as you say, shows on numerous occasions angels appearing to look like men. What I'm saying is angels don't have the prerogative or ability to take (appear in) human form EXCEPT for when God wants them to for His devine purposes.
---Leon on 8/29/09|
The "garments of skin" given to Adam and Eve were changes in their physical nature so they could not see angels or demons in their own forms. This was done for their and their descendants' protection.
So when an angel takes the form of a man or young male and is thus seen by morals, as is the Biblical pattern, this is by God's express will.
---Cluny on 8/29/09|
Dont you remember when the lord said be careful when you entertain strangers, that you maybe entertaining an Angel of God,
they do & can take on Human form...
---YLBD on 8/28/09|
--Leon: **Why would they possess (hijack) human beings if they have the ability to make their own human bodies to inhabit? Hmmm!***---Leon on 8/28/09
It's Clear that All things were made by God, and without Him was not any thing made that was made(John 1:3) : and I do not believe that I've shared anything to the contrary!!
So, Why are you 'Hmmming' me this question??
Never allow your expectation of what you wish to perceive, to exceed the intent of the words shared with you!! For :~
~: The Ocean tells no lies,
Yet standing on its shores a
Crooked man still hears them.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/29/09|
there is a passage in scripture that says to be careful what you say ,because you may be speaking to angels unaware.So yes they can,and yes they are messagers.
---tom2 on 8/29/09|
Sister Donna is correct. Angels, with celestial bodies are allowed to "appear" human at God's direction for they are messengers and duty men of the throne. I find no reference that spirits take on physical bodies at will.
With the exception of Cherubim and Seraphim Angels do not have wings and appear as youthful adult males. In Zacharia 5:9 women with wings are described and theologians argue to this day whether this is a description of angels. What else could they be?.
This does not mean angels even have a gender for they are spiritual bodies not created in the image of God. They neither marry nor have the desire and usally appear as radiant evoking great fear. They are quite powerful and can move very quickly.
---larry on 8/28/09|
Leon, angels can take human form. I have not found a passage that says they can at will. The good angels are doing the work God sends them to do. The bad angels, demons, they do the work of the devil. But cannot inflick any one unless God permits it or allows it. God at one time allowed a lying spirit to do some work for Him. And angel also wrestled, another two almost got raped, one was an avenging angel who killed thousands until God told him to stop. Some angels are already in a cage, and of course we cannot forget the Angel of the Lord. Angels have been among us as Scripture tells us. And we didn't even recognized them.
---MarkV. on 8/28/09|
No Mima, it's not apparent. Genesis 6:2 doesn't identify the sons of God as angels. You presume (suppose) what the Bible doesn't say.
Shawne M.T.: "God" sends (dispatches) his angels & makes it possible for them to appear in human form. God alone creates. Angels (God's ministering spirits & demonic fallen spirits) can't make physical bodies for themselves. However, demons can & do regularly possess the bodies of lost human beings. Why would they possess (hijack) human beings if they have the ability to make their own human bodies to inhabit? Hmmm!
"...Angels...angels." Ditto Donna!
---Leon on 8/28/09|
If angels take human form for reasons other than God's, they are not the angels of Heaven.
Angels have no "purpose" but to perform God's work. And sometimes that may mean moving among people. I don't believe God uses them extensively, for He is God of Heaven and earth. Nothing is impossible for Him! I'm a bit skeptical about those who regularly "entertain" angels.
I've never met anyone I suspected of being an angel, though I'm sure a time or two they intervened for my protection.
---Donna66 on 8/28/09|
To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?
Heb.3:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Everything that angels do, they do for the purpose & in the service of the Glory of God, ministering His Word if need be in human form, but angels don't do things for themselves : those that do are no longer considered angel but are demons/fallen angels.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/28/09|
Angels can become humans at will apparently. We have the following scripture in Genesis 6:2"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose."
---mima on 8/28/09|