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Did Jesus Christ say sinners will burn in hell for eternity?

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 ---Betty on 9/21/09
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Sonofturbo, GOD is indeed a GOD of Mercy. But, just because He destroys the wicked one's bodies and souls in Hell, does not at all dispel His Mercy and Grace for those who are still alive on Earth, who yet have a chance to be saved from Hell. For the unsaved, GOD's Mercy will last only until the day they die. The decision to accept GOD's Mercy and Salvation must be made before Death. For after Death, the Judgment for each individual is set (John 3:36). GOD says that TODAY is the day of Salvation. One is not to put off their decision to be saved, because they do not know when they will end up dying. For after their death, it will be TOO LATE for Salvation. GOD is so PERFECT, that He can have the perfect balance of Love and Mercy and Wrath.
---Gordon on 10/6/09

MarkV: "Pierre, where in Scripture did Jesus say the wicked (lost) will burn up into ashes, and that will be the end? can you help me out here?"

I will answer for Pierre, if I may. First, Pierre did not say that Jesus said those words. Read it again, slowly. The scripture you are looking for is:

Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
---jerry6593 on 10/6/09

Atheist, historically speaking there is no doubt Jesus the Christ lived.

Do you imagine He did not exist and the NT was not written about Him?

Do you imagine the apostles invented the story then went of to be martyred for a lie?

Do you imagine the church fathers, including those who knew apostles made it all up?

You imagine all or part of these momentous events were just invented and no one noticed?

You are antiChristian so please read the NT and show me Jesus' evil there. In your terms it doesn't matter whether it is true or not as you say Jesus word is what promotes evil.

There is no 'concept', there is His word. Were it not for the word you would not have any 'concept' to write about.
---Warwick on 10/5/09

Atheist you are quick to question, to ridicule but fail to answer when challenged.

Again I ask: 'Christians created hospitals, universities and founded modern Science. What equal wonders has atheism produced?'

Failure to give a clear and detailed answer will be taken as no answer.

Just look at countries where atheism/evolutionism became the state religion, e.g. USSR, Cambodia, China. Being consistent atheists the leaders felt free to slaughter untold millions of their countrymen.

Stalin wrote when he rejected Christianity and accepted atheism/evolutionism he felt free to do whatever he desired and he did. What evil, and you oppose Jesus who commands we love one another, even enemies.
---Warwick on 10/5/09


This is a Christian nation?

Says who?!

You are telling me to get out of the country...

So much for religious toleration...

Oh wait...maybe you don't live in the United States.
---atheist on 10/5/09

rhonda (10-3)- You are disputing Jesus Christ's words - Matthew 25:46.
---Betty on 10/5/09

no your opinions are simply antichrist to Holy Word of God

your fluffy wordy posts do not tie back to scripture simply because you don't understand more difficult passages in light of simple basic straight forward passages that say the dead know nothing NOT EVEN God and their thoughts perish

the sinner shall not live John 3:36

as if they never were Obed 16

fear him who can destroy both body and soul Matt 10:15
---Rhonda on 10/5/09

atheist (10-2) The Spirit of God is everywhere, looking for men & women & children who want to live holy and not grade themselves. God judges, not you. Find out. If you don't like this country, why don't you move. This is a Christian nation, Praise God.
---Betty on 10/5/09

rhonda (10-3)- You are disputing Jesus Christ's words - Matthew 25:46.
---Betty on 10/5/09

sonofturbo- Jesus Christ Himself said, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment...." Matthew 25:46 Their punishment could not be everlasting if they were dead & knew & felt nothing. Jesus did not come to mislead us. Revelation 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night...."

The body has no consciousness in death, but the spirit is not with the body or else the body would be alive. The spirit is either in hell or Paradise. After judgment, the body & spirit will be reunited and judged & both will go either to hell or the Kingdom of God.
---Betty on 10/5/09


I blame Christ for nothing. I am not even sure if he ever lived or if he did live what he actually said or did during his life.

But I do blame the concept and belief in 'Christ' for many of the acts committed against others---as I blame the concept and belief in many other 'gods' for the same thing by those of other religions.

---atheist on 10/5/09

Pierre, where in Scripture did Jesus say the wicked (lost) will burn up into ashes, and that will be the end? can you help me out here?
---MarkV. on 10/5/09

I'm not really sure. But here is what I do know: Certain events in the Bible that said they would last forever have already happened and been done with. Sinners will be destroyed but not burn forever. To think that God would give immortality to sinners is a lie of the devil.
i had to bump this, and then add that god is a god of mercy, there is no conciousness in the grave, when you die you dont go strait to heaven, nobody goes untill christ returns, and the dead in christ rise first. also god would not sentence his children whom he loves to an etenity of torment, thats a lie used to control the behaviour of children. terrible.
---sonofturbo on 10/5/09

EVERLASTING means EVERLASTING, Rhonda. ....Are you, instead, going to try to make it out that "Everlasting" does not really mean EVERLASTING??

everlasting what? FIRE

It doesn't say sinner has LIFE ...Are you going to INSIST IMPLY ADD (Prov 30:5-6) the verse says sinner LIVES and is ALIVE - and continue to be antichrist to Holy Word of God to cling to mens traditions and LIES (mark 7:6-9 2Thess 2:11) the sinner has life that is UNSUPPORTED by scripture?

CHOOSING TO IGNORE Gods PLAIN TRUTH from scripture ....John 3:36 Obed 16 Matt 10:15 sinner SHALL NOT LIVE - AS IF THEY NEVER WERE - FEAR HIM who can destroy both body and soul
---Rhonda on 10/5/09

Rhonda, Ths Scriptures were written before Dante's writings. And, the Scriptures mention Hell-fire and Everlasting Fire before Dante. If one "copied" from the other, it would be Dante copying from the Scriptures. And, why, Rhonda, do you not respond to Betty's reference to Matthew 25:41, where YAHUSHUA commands "...depart from me, YE CURSED, into EVERLASTING FIRE!" EVERLASTING means EVERLASTING, Rhonda. EVERLASTING means FOREVER. An "Everlasting Fire" is a Fire that LASTS FOREVER. Are you, instead, going to try to make it out that "Everlasting" does not really mean EVERLASTING?? Now, again, please, what about Matthew 25:41?
---Gordon on 10/5/09

A theist: Studying the Bible does not give the true seeker of wisdom any sense of intellectual superiority. Quite the opposite - it humbles you. I try to share what I have learned over the years as best I can, and wherever I can, but it's difficult to do here in 125 words or less. If I thought you were really interested, I would reccommend some books that were already written.

Have you yet studied the Ten Commandments in Exo 20? Do you find them hard to understand?
---jerry6593 on 10/5/09

Atheist blaming Christ for the doings of those who claim to be Christian, (but live outside His will) is a straw-man argument. Look at Jesus' life, and death, how He commands we live, and show me the fault in this!

We humans are all hypocrites as one apostle said...we know what we should do but fail to do it. And know what we shouldn't do but continue doing it.

Conversely we can blame athiests such as Stalin, and Mao for being consistent atheists who felt free to do whatever evil they liked, and they did. Untold millions died.

I believe most of the Bible is a coherent whole. But it is an ongoing work. Anyone who sticks to Scripture will believe much the same. There will always be argument over details.
---Warwick on 10/5/09

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there are religions that make man a live without any accountability, because you believe there is no life after death.Iam amazed that athiests even discuss speitual matters,not believing there is a God,and that after death there is just non existance.
---tom2 on 10/4/09


"And what a mess likeminded people have created!"

And does that include "[Those]...claiming to be Christian, are such. Quite a few are wolves in the fold who plainly promote nonBiblical or antiBiblical ideas. Some aim to lead others astray, and others are those who have been lead astray. Others are Christian but have strayed into worldly thinking.?" And include their actions they committed in his name?

I take it that you too can correctly piece together the confusion of the Bible into a coherent whole? Please co-write a book with Jerry and let everyone in on it.
---atheist on 10/4/09

Atheist I wrote 'Christians created hospitals, universities and founded modern Science. What equal wonders has atheism produced?'

An answer would be nice!
---Warwick on 10/4/09

Atheist I read this and thought of you.

"We no longer feel ourselves to be guests in someone's else's home and therefore obliged to make our behavior conform with a set of pre-existing cosmic rules. It is our creation now. We make the rules. We establish the parameters of reality. We create the world, and because we do, we no longer feel beholden to outside forces. We no longer have to justify our behavior, for we are now the architects of the universe. We are responsible to nothing outside ourselves. for we are the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever and ever." Jeremy Rifkin, Algeny, p. 244 (Viking Press, New York), 1983.

And what a mess likeminded people have created!
---Warwick on 10/4/09

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Jerry:"...there is nonetheless a complete, cohesive whole to it that is only gained by continual study."


Since you believe obviously that you understand, you must be really smart...Why don't you describe that cohesive whole to everyone else, and scientifcally catalog the details of exactly how they fit together. If you can prove your explanation of it with detailed evidence you certainly can relieve the world of the confusion about 'god'.

Until you do, it seems all believers will each have their jumbled and confusing interpretation...

Not knowing to whether to stone sinners to death or wait and let 'god' judge them and send them to 'hell' or whatever...
---atheist on 10/4/09

For those who are save, they will inherent eternal life. For those who were unsave, they will die to their sins. Romans 6:23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Once a person is died whatever cause of his death is execution of his sins. Death is similar term of hell. King James concordance Death is synonymous to grave, pit, damnation, fire, flame, destruction. In Cor 15:26, it says the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Read Rev. 20:14:15, Rev1:18, prov 15:1,Matthew 16:18 and many verses....
---rosalie on 10/3/09

Atheist: The Bible was written by inspired men in several languages, from different cultures, and over a period of centuries. But there is one section that was written by God Himself, with His own finger in stone - the Ten Commandments. Anyone can understand them. They are simple, straightforward, and easy to understand. If you will but comply with these 10 simple "rules," you'll have nothing to fear.

Although the Bible has such a diverse ancestry, there is nonetheless a complete, cohesive whole to it that is only gained by continual study. I find that there is much to be gained by such study, and recommend it to you as well.

Psa 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
---jerry6593 on 10/3/09

rhonda- What Bible are you reading? I don't see Dante anywhere in mine

more spin for your "hell cause" ...I never IMPLIED Dante wrote or was "in" Gods Holy Word

pious "christians" avoid these verses of plain truth PER GODS HOLY WORD John 3:36, Obed 16, Matt 10:30 SHALL NOT LIVE if they NEVER WERE ...fear HIM who can DESTROY BOTH body and soul

instead clinging ever more tightly to hell fable OPENLY discredit Holy Word of God by ADDING idea's from Dante (his pagan philosophy Mark 7:6-9) that don't exist with no fear of God Prov 30:5-6

eternal life is GIFT for righteous and the sinner per Gods Holy Word SIMPLY shall not live
---Rhonda on 10/3/09

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Atheist consider Christianity, not religion, but faith. Consider how Jesus has commanded us to live? What is evil in His message?

Or are you judging Christ by those who claim to be Christian but who live in opposition to His commands?

I do not agree that Gods meaning is hidden from those who seek. I believe you assume all who blog here, claiming to be Christian, are such. Quite a few are wolves in the fold who plainly promote nonBiblical or antiBiblical ideas. Some aim to lead others astray, and others are those who have been lead astray. Others are Christian but have strayed into worldly thinking.

BTW Christians created hospitals, universities and founded modern Science. What equal wonders has atheism produced?
---Warwick on 10/3/09


Obsessed with 'hell',---no. Living in a country tainted by belief and religion, particularly Christian,---yes.

I have an expectation that beliefs held have some consistent and sensical integrity. That integrity should show itself in answers to questions regarding the nature of 'hell' and 'god'.

If that integrity of belief is lacking, (which here demonstrably it is), I can only conclude that each adherent's beliefs are arbitrarily chosen, have no basis whatsoever and are undirected by a 'god'.

Again, if 'god' were omnipotent 'he' certainly wouldn't leave his adherents in such a confused state of affairs. He would make his will known, not encryptically encoded in 'scripture', and infinitely interpretable.
---atheist on 10/2/09

rhonda- What Bible are you reading? I don't see Dante anywhere in mine. I see where Jesus said,"Depart from me, ye cursed into everlasting fire...." Matthew 25:41 Matthew 25:46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." Jesus Christ's own words. Not Dante's.
---Betty on 10/2/09

pierr- Jesus said plainly that the wicked will suffer everlasting punishment in hell (Matthew 25:41). Revelation 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night...."
---Betty on 10/2/09

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Atheist for one who does not believe in hell you seem obsessed by it.

Christians do disagree about Scripture mainly because of fallen human natures.

Disagreement occurs because:

Some reinterpret Scripture via worldly philosophies, e.g. evolution.

Some do not read the Bible and have been influenced by the Hollywood version of Christianity.

Some are too lazy to study Scripture, or attend church but prefer to sit at home listening to televangelists, some of whom are charlatans.

The problem does not lie with God, nor His word, but with human nature.

Nonetheless you cannot hide behind this excuse as God knows your very thoughts and will judge you, and the rest of us, with absolute justice.
---Warwick on 10/2/09

Jesus Christ said the wicked will be tormented in hell forever. You well-wishers are going to wake up and smell the fire one day, if you don't watch out

how sad the sadistic idea of torturing is passed on to self professing christianity from ANOTHER Jesus 2Corin 11:4 where they love the LIE given by Dante truly gleeful about a demonic idea where human beings are tortured

DUPED by the god of this world 2Corin 4:4 and his LIES John 8:44

The Father in Heaven is a DIVINE God of LOVE AND never-ending MERCY who says the sinner SHALL NOT LIVE John 3:36 and it will be as if they NEVER WERE Obed 16 where the body and soul will be destroyed Matt 10:28
---Rhonda on 10/1/09

No! No1 Jesus did not say such a thing!The wicked will be BURNT UP into ASHES and that will be the end - SECOND DEATH- for them.
---Pierr5358 on 10/1/09

Jesus Christ said the wicked will be tormented in hell forever. You well-wishers are going to wake up and smell the fire one day, if you don't watch out.
---Betty on 10/1/09

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One thing I have never understood. Why is "god's word" not clear?

It would seem that if he can speak creation into existence, then he should be able to say what he means and mean what he says,---and do it in a simple and comprehensible way.

That belivers can't seem to agree on anything is proof in itself 'god' isn't there. He certainly should be able to keep his own adherents on the same page. Some believers think that 'god' is such a sadist that he would torture people forever, but you, like others who chose a kinder interpretation disagree. How can such a serious difference of belief exist between believers of a one true and omnipotent 'god'?
---atheist on 10/1/09


You seem to have me confused with someone else.

If you review my posts on the subject of burning in hell for eternity, I actually agree with you. People will not burn in hell for eternity, they will die. The Bible calls this the second death. On this, Scripture is clear.

However, where we disagree is whether Satan, the devil, etc., will die or burn in hell for eternity. I believe Scripture tells us that the lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels and that God intends to torture them (including the Beast and the False Prophet) in the lake of fire forever, day and night, without end.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/1/09

Mark E and Jake: I completely agree that the Bible does not contradict itself. Our problem seems to be that when there is an "apparent" contradiction, we tend to grasp only the meaning that fits our predetermined belief system and IGNORE the myriad of scriptures to the contrary. I simply ask that you consider ALL of the scriptures relating to any subject before jumping to any conclusion. For example, you cannot ignore the scores of scripture that say that the fate of the wicked is sleep, unconsciousness, ashes, and DEATH, and continue to contradict them by saying that they are alive, conscious and feeling for eternity. Find a belief that harmonizes ALL of scripture. I have.
---jerry6593 on 9/30/09

Eternal life is promised only to those who follow GOD. GOD plans to destroy sin. To do that he has to destroy sinners who have chosen sin over love.


per Gods Word the sinner shall not live and it will be as if they had never been both body and soul destroyed John 3:36 Obadiah 16 Matt 10:28
---Rhonda on 9/29/09

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The Bible is to be studied as a whole. Context of the passage is always very important. We do not need to built arks today.

What does the Bible say about death and the results of sin? Do we only look at one verse and not combine all verse's together?

We are to Pray and gather verses from all scripture and bring them togther to find truth.

For instance many say we have an immortal soul. Even thought those words are never written and the doctrine never taught.
---Samuel on 9/29/09

Mark E.
I totally agree with you. I think that you have been given a clear understanding of the Bible, because you do not translate it. If It says it, then it is. The Bible will never contradict itself. A contradiction is deception, and thats the devils card, not Gods. Good for you. I also think that Jerry might need to ask for guidance before he reads, or sways someone with alot of guesswork stated as fact. I certainly hope he asks for guidance, it would be fantastic to see someone who is prepared to read the Bible, put it in their heart.
Jerry - I want to ask you to trust Jesus more than yourself. If you ask Him what the verse means, He will show you. then you would be able to look as smart as you want without interpretation.
---Jake on 9/28/09

How can eternal fire go out. Ask Sodom which Jude says was burned with eternal fire. When there is nothing left to burn it goes out. The result of the fire is eternal. Forever can also mean for the rest of their life. It depends on the context.

Eternal life is promised only to those who follow GOD. GOD plans to destroy sin. To do that he has to destroy sinners who have chosen sin over love.
---Samuel on 9/28/09

About the king of Tyre (Ezekiel 28)- Probably Satan had possessed the king & God was speaking to both the king & Lucifer. Lucifer had been in Heaven, but not the king.
---Betty on 9/28/09

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Oh, God thy sheep have gone astray, skipping along to destruction. They have baa-ed at your prophets, they have eaten the parts of the scriptures they found good, and trampled the rest underfoot. They have broken loose from your pasture, and traveled an unknown path. They baa-ed for friends to follow them, and they followed and found wolves in sheep's clothing. The Road to Hell came into view, and they baa-ed in wonder, shook their lamb's tails 3 times and started their engines. They galloped down the Road to Hell, ignoring all the warning signs. Thy Holy Spirit called them & they heard him not. So intent were they to find fun & forget what might happen hereafter that nothing hindered them. Oh God, what will their end be?
---Betty on 9/28/09


Your example of Eze 28 is exacly why we are NOT of the same mind as it relates to Scripture.

If your understanding of this passage is correct, then the Bible contradicts itself.

I have given you Rev 20:10 which states in ANY and ALL translations that the devil will be thrown into the lake of fire and will be tormented day and night forever and ever. How can he cease to be?

Is Rev 20:10 allegory or symbolic or fantasy?

I must conclude that you have a misunderstanding of Eze 28.

The Bible does not contradict itself. If you think it does, I believe you lack understanding of the passages.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/28/09

unfortunate Satan who is father of lies deceiving (and IS god) of this world easy success with Dante's pagan hell-fire poem creating a sadistic monster "god" who physically tortures his sinful creation forever

Biblical DIVINE Father in Heaven has mercy John 3:36 states the sinner shall not live

John 3:15, 3:16, 3:17, 10:28, 11:50 those who receive salvation SHALL NOT PERISH

pagan reasoning of mens ADDED words MORE weight than Gods Holy Word

counterfeit christians have NO FEAR of God by ADDING to Gods Holy Word Prov. 30:5-6 the sinner "lives" after death MOCKING Gods GIFT of ETERNAL LIFE to righteous Christs sacrifice resurrection and DISMISSING BASIC scripture about death
---Rhonda on 9/27/09

Dear Greg:

I thank you for your insight, as wrong and misguided as it might be. Unfortunetly for those who do not believe in Hell, it is waiting for them.
That is tragic. The Bible does in fact preach eternal hell and etenal fire, in fact Jesus Himself preaches it. In Mark 9:42 - 48 Jesus mentions it 3 times, and warns against it. And the mention is an eternal hell, where the fires never go out.where the fire is not quenched.
I am finished with this argument. now you know, the truth, choose to heed it, but as Jesus Himself says in this very passage, anyone who causes any of these children who believe to sin better to tie a large millstone around him and be thrown into the sea.
---Jake on 9/27/09

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the life,and ministry,of jesus,the gift,the message of salvation thru jesus,the good news,the changed life,the food for the spirit,the love for God that should be reflected by us to the world,the delivering of this message is what we are commanded to do.Not discuss,argue,and debate with the world,and even worse each other,but alas we are fallen,and our own worse enemy most of the time.
---tom2 on 9/27/09

No the Bible doses not teach that the wicked will burn for an eternity in hell. It dose teach the wicked will receive a punishment they are worthy of. The Bible teaches not to be self or men appointed teachers. My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. James 3:1- . The master from the Greek didaskalos means teacher, master or instructor. Hell itself will be destroyed, so it is impossible for someone to be in it for an eternity. In fact it is written heal shell give up the dead which is in it, those not found in the book (book of life) shell be cast in the lake of fire. Rev 20:13-14
---Greg on 9/26/09

thanks for your reply, but it really still sounds like you are trying to convince yourself of your intelligence. There is eternal damnation, believe it if you want or dont, to me thats not what matters. Jesus does not care how smart you are, or how many great mysteries you can contemplate, He wants to let us know that we need to humble ourselves, and that we are not going to split hairs about theology. when you use His gracious Love to argue your intelligence, are you making Him smile, or making your own chest puff with pride?
its really not about which side the verses are on.. they will always side with love... dont worry about how long you will burn or suffer, rather look how long you will live...thats the big thing. cheers bud.
---Jake on 9/26/09

Jake I do not disbelive in Hell Fire. In fact I believe it is so hot that it will destroy the wicked. Matthew 5 speaks of going to hell not being tortured by giving eternal life to the wicked.

Matthey 10:28 JESUS says the dead will be destoryed. Not tortured for all eternity. chapter 11, 16 speaks of hell which I agree will exist just not for all eternity.

So one of the verses you quote is actually on my side.
---Samuel on 9/25/09

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Mark E: Sorry pal, but unless you can explain how the King of Tyre could have been a covering cherub and in Eden, I can't agree with you. Satan is also called a dragon and a serpent in the Bible. Do you also take those names literally?
---jerry6593 on 9/25/09

Yes, ama, Adam "became dust". And we have that "the Word became flesh" (John 1:14) . But we understand this does not mean Jesus changed from being spiritual to being flesh. What you are physically is not who you are spiritually. And it is very clear, that we will reap so much more than the little seeds we have been sowing > Galatians 6:7-8. We will be experiencing, later . . . according to how we have been living, now. Even right now, we are reaping spiritually and emotionally, according to all we really have been sowing. Example > ones complaining against God's blessing of rain can then reap such depression and frustration. Only death to sin stops this.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/25/09

boy, try to get a straight answer to a question. these people are so full of themselves it is ridiculous. the answer to your question is this. YES. on very many occassions, anyone who tells you different need to read the passages again. Matt 5:22, 29, 30, Matt 10:28, 11:23,16:18,18:9,23:15,33. these are just in Matthew, read on through the rest of the Gospels and you will see many more times.
to those who have been arguing all the knowledge of the Bible, and then added a God Bless, drop the arrogance. with all of the knowledge you were bragging about, you still didnt have the knowledge to answer the question. rather feed your ego's than feed someone else some true knowledge.
---Jake_Wiebe on 9/24/09

Hi Betty, good question but would sure love to see you post a positive and encouraging blog for a change lol :D
---Mary on 9/24/09

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A mortal king could not possibly fit these descriptors.

True Ezekiel 28:15 shows Satan is perfect archangel created being who ruled the earth Isa 14:12-14 PRIOR to mankind Gen 1:1-3 leading 1/3 of the angels to rebellion 2Peter 2:4, Rev 12:4

Satan is the devil also called:
god of this world - 2Corin 4:4
prince of the world - John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11 prince of the power of the air - Eph. 2:2
father of lies - John 8:44
who deceives the whole world - Rev. 12:9

Satan is the King who rules earth all governments and everything belong to him ...otherwise Satan had nothing to tempt Christ with
---Rhonda on 9/24/09


Sorry, cannot agree with you.

We have no reason except for the unusual descriptions that you noted, to think the lament in Ezekiel 28 is for anyone other than the king of Tyre.

The passage specifically says who it was to. Would you prefer a name to go with the title?

You should not reading "into" passages like this and see things that are not there.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/24/09

Yes he did.
---Eloy on 9/24/09

Mark E: Glad to see you're studying! The King of Tyre is indeed a figure of Satan in Eze 28. Note the clues given:

Eze 28:6 ... thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God,

Eze 28:12 ... Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God, every precious stone was thy covering

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God, thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

A mortal king could not possibly fit these descriptors.
---jerry6593 on 9/24/09

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Not so. Although they will burn the longest, they will die.
---jerry6593 on 9/23/09

Eze 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him..."

Unless the devil was the king of Tyre, I cannot agree with that.

Rev 20:10 "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

Tormented forever in the Lake of Fire.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/23/09

Bobby I believe in Conditionalism. That eternal life is a gift of GOD. Therfore annhilation is true. By the way JESUS was quoting
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Carcases are dead bodies.
---Samuel on 9/23/09

Mark E: "the devil and his angels will be tormented forever."

Not so. Although they will burn the longest, they will die.

Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
---jerry6593 on 9/23/09

Cluny: I wish I was as good with the Greek as you are. But anyways, I do agree with your response to the question. In fact, the Mark 9 verses were what immediately popped into my head upon reading the question. I doubt you can get more explicit than what Jesus says there.

So in other words, my answer to the question is a YES. The alternatives are annihilationism or salvation for the unrepentent. Anyone care to argue for either?
---Bobby3 on 9/22/09

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Cluny, that's okay. We can disagree. God bless.
---mugwump on 9/22/09

\\Cluny, aionios means "age-abiding" just as aion means "age" or "eon." God is "aionios" because he is working with humans within time. You can disagree if you want to. That's okay. But that's how I and many others see it. God bless.
---mugwump on 9/22/09\\

As I've said, I have a deep, initmate, and especially spiritual familiarity with Greek that most here on thesse blogs lack.
---Cluny on 9/22/09

1/2 Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.--both just and unjust?
Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.--the dead hear?
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.--the dead bury?
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.--dead preached to?
---MIchael on 9/22/09

2/2 Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.--dead stand?
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:--eternal?
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.--death?
Hbr 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.--judgment?
---MIchael on 9/22/09

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To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

The words hell & eternity do not appear together in the same verse of any chapter of the Bible, for the simple fact that hell and everything in it shall be tossed into the 'Lake of Fire'!!!!!!
---Shawn.M.T on 9/22/09

Such a fate for anyone is contrary to the nature of Jesus as very clearly expressed in his words and actions in many places throughout the gospels.

His compassion will not end, and he will not stop reaching out to anyone.

Love endures and is stronger than any need or desire for vengeance, etc. He will, however, protect others from people with destructive spirits.

Love your enemies, do not torture them in a Lake of Fire forever.

That seems to me to capture the spirit of Christ...
---Jenny_S. on 9/22/09

---earl on 9/22/09


The message of the passages of Mark 9, Matt 25, 2 Thess 1, and Rev. 14 and 20 has been misunderstood.

Two things do happen for eternity.

First, the punishment for sinners is eternal, because the punishment is death. The second death:

Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part {will be} in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Second, the flames of the Lake of Fire will burn forever because the devil and his angels will be tormented forever.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/22/09

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Cluny, aionios means "age-abiding" just as aion means "age" or "eon." God is "aionios" because he is working with humans within time. You can disagree if you want to. That's okay. But that's how I and many others see it. God bless.
---mugwump on 9/22/09

Please explain how we are going to walk on the ashes of the wicked if they are still alive. Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.

Being cast into the lake of fire is called the second death. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Also the verse says. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

So please quote the passage accuratly.
---Samuel on 9/22/09

The Bible says at Romans 5:12 :Through one man sin entered into the world nd death through sin, and thus death spread to all men." Really then is it reasonable to believe that people suffer in hellfire for their sins, when Adam, the one who brought death upon the entire human race simply became dust after dying? 1Cor. 15:22
---ama9947 on 9/22/09

Death and hell shall deliver up the dead that are in them and they shall be cast into a lake that burns with fire and brimstone. And the smoke of their torment ascendeth upward forever.
---john on 9/22/09

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\\ The word Eternity does not appear at all in the New Testament. So Jesus couldn't have said that.
---mugwump on 9/21/09\\

Yes, it does.

The Greek word AIONOS means "eternity".

The English word "eternity" just may not appear in your particular English translation.
---Cluny on 9/22/09

Yes Jesus through Paul and John said that sinners will burn in Hell for eternity: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Revelation 21:8
---Leslie on 9/22/09

Matt. 25 v 46 & 23 v 33, Mark 9 v 48, Luke 16 v 24, Rom. 13 v 2.
How long is burning in hell for eternity?
Say for instance if the west coast had No sand on their beaches, God used a bird to fly to the east coast, pick up 1 grain of sand & flew took it to the west coast & drop it on the w-coast beach, then flew back to the east coast for another grain of sand, & repeated the same over, over, & over again, this bird would be eternity old.
---Lawrence on 9/22/09

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