Does Purgatory Exist
ancient Israel HAS 12 tribes one of which is Judah
Abraham would be a Hebrew a descendant of Eber Gen 11:17-26 obviously NOT a Jew
as 12 tribes EACH represent one of his sons ...one son named Judah eventually became known as the Jews also known as the Israelites who were also known as ancient Israel of which Gentiles all NON JEWS have been GRAFTED into Abrahams promise becoming SPIRITUAL Israel
unsure what you were attempting to point out
---Rhonda on 9/29/09|
Interesting question here.
There really is an example in the Bible of purgatory and paradise. The guy in purgatory begs for water, and the guy in paradise says even though one can see the other, he can't help the purgatory guy. It's actually in the Bible, and I've always wondered about the significance of this.
However... the Catholics believe that sinners' souls, who didn't try hard enough to be Christians, are sent to purgatory to be purified before being sent to heaven. That one I know is totally wrong. You go to purgatory/hell, and that's it. You don't go to heaven after that.
---Katherine on 9/28/09|
Rhonda: "all other humans on earth were Gentiles and throughout OT God warned his people to stay away from heathen Gentiles (also known as pagans) ..."
God chose one man's descendant, the Israelites, to bring His word to the world. They failed in their job of bringing God's Word to the world because they thought that God's word was only for them and no one else. Before Abraham there were no divisions between gentiles and israelites - only humans. God chose the most godly person in the world, Abraham, to build a nation of people, Israelites.
---Steveng on 9/28/09|
prior to Christ only ancient Israel had access to God through his laws
all other humans on earth were Gentiles and throughout OT God warned his people to stay away from heathen Gentiles (also known as pagans) ...because pagans did not have Gods Laws they followed their own laws gods traditions ...ancient Israel was punished for following way of the heathen
purgatory was a heathen (pagan) tradition ...rcc did not invent purgatory idea they borrowed it from pagan Gentiles who followed other gods and merged it into their writings which are apart from God
---Rhonda on 9/28/09|
Per the Bible - Man is appointed once to die and then the judgement. There is no purgatory.
---Kelly on 9/27/09|
Babs: Does purgatory exist? Well, I'm not RC but they may've kinda sorta got it right. Consider: A & E, in the Garden of Eden, sinned against God (Gen.3) & immediately died spiritually, & gradually died physically. Consequently, in their degenerative (corrupt) state of being, God expelled them (from the peace & tranquility of the Garden) into the harsh terrain of the outside world. Because He is Love beyond our wildest imaginations, God made a WAY (A SECOND CHANCE) for A & E ( & us) to be born again thru Jesus (Jn. 14:6).
Shirley: You're right! One can't buy his/her way out of purgatory with money. However, one (we) can, by paying attention to God's word, buy the Truth & He will set us free! (Pv. 23:23)
---Leon on 9/27/09|
Sometimes I wonder if it does exist (I'm not catholic) say people many years ago who never ever had the chance to hear the message of salvation and who Jesus was.I can hardly believe our loving Lord would let them spend eternity in Hell.I don't believe if such a place exists that a person could buy their way out with money.
---shirley on 9/25/09|
What is Purgatory, as taught by authoritative Catholic Sources (the Catechism of the Catholic Church)? The reason why I am asking is because it seem many Protestants have a misconception concerning this doctrine.
Anyway, there is no such thing as Purgatory, as taught by the Papists. It is not part of Holy Scriptures nor the teaching of the Holy Fathers/Saints of the Early Church in general. In fact, many Eastern Catholic Churches do not believe in Purgatory. Actually, the word "Purgatory" is usually avoided by them. Other Eastern Churches (Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy., etc) do not believe in this either. Hence, the vast majority of Christians do not believe in Purgatory.
---Ignatius on 9/26/09|
There is no holding area for the lukewarm christian.
There are two resurrections: One when Jesus returns for the second time, the dead in Christ shall rise first and the living in christ shall be caught up.
The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ where all the dead from all of earth's history shall be resurected and judged from the Book of Life - according to their works.
Blessed are they that rise at the first resurection for they shall not see the second death.
---Steveng on 9/25/09|
The doctrine of Purgatory was invente to help those who did want to give up sin to have a way to get saved. Many a coin was put in the coffers to buy their way out of purgatory. It offered a way to live in sin and yet still go to heaven.
It is not found in the Bible because it against the teachings of the bible.
---Samuel on 9/25/09|
There is no such place as purgatory. Where did the RCC come up with it? They invented it! made it up! (like some other things they
---Pierr5358 on 9/25/09|
Rueben, since Christ dwells at the right hand of the Father he abides in the third heaven with the Father. There is no such nonsense as purgatory or what I would refer to as the mezzanine level. I think that is whole cloth made up of a few fragments of versus by the Roman Catholic church.
There is no luke warm or launching pad with God. Nothing before heaven other than where you are right now having the full opportunity to reject or accept Him. For THIS day decide on who you should follow.
---larry on 9/25/09|
There will apparently be something resembling purgatory. See 1 Corinthians 3.
---mugwump on 9/25/09|
We believe it is in the Bible. First thing is Book of Revelation tell us "nothing unclean enter Heaven"(Rev 21:27) and the book of Hebrews tells us "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"(Heb 9:27) Since we are good enough to stay out of Hell but not yet clean to enter Heaven, we need some sort of cleansing to enter. Paul talks about the "judgment seat of Christ" where our works will be "tested," after which some will be saved "only as through fire."(1 Cor 3:11-15) That what we mean about purgatory, the judgment seat of Christ and Holiness is required to see God,Don't you believe on both!
---Ruben on 9/25/09|
Purgatory Is fictitiouse, No such a place.
Psa. 49 v 7.
It's All part of Man-made r-catholocism's (the first trin-church) idol worship just like the prayer beads, graven images, the insignia with the hands, sprinkling, Mary the mother of Jesus statues, baby Jesus figurines etc. & Is an Abomination to Almighty God, & He has Nothing to do with such. Such good people in r-catholic churches & her offspring churches, but SO spiritually Blind.
---Lawrence on 9/25/09|
If I remember correctly, there are Catholics who believe there are "Apocryphal" books that Protestant believers leave out of the Bible, and in one of these books there is something about making prayer for the dead, maybe it was, after ones have been killed in a God approved battle. But I would get to know each Catholic personally, and find out how each one speaks for oneself about what one believes and trusts and how one lives.
Purgatory is supposed to be for correctional suffering making ones ready for Heaven if they died before getting ready enough. But I'd consider Hebrews 12:1-11, how God's correction can have us ready in this life > 1 John 4:17 > showing me they might call it not Purgatory but Procrastination.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/25/09|