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Happy, Karen may have different thoughts, however, I'll add a few of my own.

Concerning baptism, John 3 does not say "in no uncertain terms" that baptism by immersion is necessary. Although some believe that in Christendom, it does not say that. "That which is flesh is flesh, and that which is spirit is spirit."

Matter of fact, the NT teaches that John the Baptist baptized with water, but Jesus will baptized by the Holy Spirit.

Interesting how the LDS takes what appears as unclear verses such as Peter and Corin. and makes up whole major teachings on them.
---Rod4Him on 10/28/09

I Peter 3:19...."By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison,..."

HappyLDS....prison, not heaven.
---KarenD on 10/28/09

KarenD, I have a couple questions and of course, a comment.
In I Peter 3:19 we are told that Christ preached to the spirits in heaven. Why? What is the point - did he preach to them in order to tell them they would be stuck there forever?

In John 3:5 Jesus says in no uncertain terms that baptism by immersion is necessary to enter the Kingdom of God.

If you were to read Chapter 15 in I Corinthians you would see that Paul (not Jesus) is speaking to the Corinthians about the resurrection - they no longer believed it. They were practicing baptism for the dead with no understanding as to why. I see no evidence that Paul was being sarcastic, he doesn't tell them they are wrong.
---HappyLDS on 10/27/09

Elder -

I wanted to add something to my last post in regard to what Satan said to Eve. He said:
Gen 3:4,5
4 And the serpent said to the woman, "Ye surely shall not die"
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Gen 3:22
And the Lord God said, "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever,
---HappyLDS on 10/27/09

HappyLDS..That's alright. I misread posts all the time myself. I have blond moments. I have senior moments. Sometimes I have blond senior moments. But, what I am trying to help you see is that Jesus and Lucifer can in no way be "spirit brothers" as one was an angel and the other was a person. Angels are never born, but people are. Lucifer fell as an angel, but that did not make him a person. Jesus' comment about baptism for the dead was being sarcastic. He was asking them why they baptized for the dead if they didn't even believe in the resurrection. Jesus NEVER taught baptism for the dead nor did HE teach that there is a second chance at salvation after death. He did teach that it is "death and then the judgment."
---KarenD on 10/27/09

KarenD -

I apologize for the misunderstanding, I thought you were trying to diminish our beliefs about our Savior and you were only hoping to keep the "spirit brother of Satan" fear going for those who are unwilling to research where it comes from. As you are aware (being former LDS and all) - Mormons believe that we are all spirit children of God. Since Lucifer was once in heaven, this includes him. He was cast out of heaven and became Satan. Of course this doesn't lessen the the role of Jesus Christ in our lives, and it certainly in no way exalts Satan. It is certainly nothing to fear.

Once again I apologize for taking your words out of context.
---HappyLDS on 10/27/09

Patricia, there is probably some truth in what you said, "I always find that people who judge our church usually have not been to it nor plan to ever go."

However, I don't need to do drugs to find out I don't want to participate with them.

About LDS teachings, I know I don't want anything to do with them experientially, it's dangerous to the soul, spirit, and mind. I read the LDS website to try to find out what they believe, but it's like smoke and mirrors. They make many comments about a teaching, however it's difficult to get ahold of.

How is it dangerous? One will believe they pre-exited, that there are many gods on many planets, that Jesus came to America, and so fourth, but facts are contrary this.
---Rod4Him on 10/27/09

I believe that GOD is immortal and was never a man.

1Ti 6:15 ... only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

That there is only one true GOD.

Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

That JESUS CHRIST created all things. Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
---Samuel on 10/27/09

HappyLDS is right about one thing. LDS do not teach that Jesus was just a prophet. They teach that he is NOT God and that He is the spirit brother of Lucifer. How can an angel be a "spirit brother" of any man? This is how perverted LDS religion is to justify their beliefs.
---KarenD on 10/24/09

HappyLDS....This is my post in which I said that "LDS do not teach that Jesus was just a prophet." I DID NOT SAY THAT LDS TEACH THAT JESUS WAS JUST A PROPHET!!!!
---KarenD on 10/27/09


When based on comments previously made by KarenD, I believe that my question was both relevant and just.

In regard to what Satan told Eve, I don't believe that his lie was telling her that they would become like gods. Satan uses the tactic of presenting truth twisted with lies. His lie was telling her that they wouldn't die.

My beliefs about the premortal life of Jesus are already posted on this blog and I invite anyone interested to read it. Of course I know you want me to repeat that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers as spirits in heaven. I believe that this is true AND it in no way diminishes the role of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Christ, our Savior. Lucifer became Satan - the father of lies.
---HappyLDS on 10/27/09

HappyLDS said, "We believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh, we also believe him to be an exalted being - a god."
Happy(?), maybe you would like to tell the folks about what or who you think Jesus was before He became "exalted" to the position of a god. If He was exalted then He would have been something lesser than what He became.
Satan's lie in the garden was that Adam and Eve would become as gods also.
Why would it bother you how many times a person went to the Bishops Storehouse? Have you set yourself as judge by stating they show disdain for your church? We have found our hypocrite.
Jesus even prayed forgiveness for those who killed Him.
---Elder on 10/26/09

I am a Christian and happen to be LDS.
I was not always not LDS. I was born into the catholic church and became charismatic nondenominational. I always find that people who judge our church usually have not been to it nor plan to ever go. Then there are x members who get mad at someone in the church and instead of trying to work things out in a christ like manner they leave and then become a tool for Satan to use.
---Patricia on 10/26/09

No KarenD, I know that people leave the LDS church, just as they leave any other church. If you were to read what I write instead of injecting what you think I'm saying - I said that I find it hard to believe you were ever LDS BECAUSE you would understand that Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is an exalted being, a god. You said that we believe Jesus Christ is "just a prophet." You are either unfamiliar with the truth OR you are deliberately not telling it. I found your question regarding baptism for the dead sort of strange as well. Perhaps it's because I know for a fact that a favorite trick of many is pretending to be ex lds when they have never stepped foot into a Mormon church that causes me some suspicion.
---HappyLDS on 10/26/09

HappyLDS: I believe she did. Anyone who says they believe the bible but... is inviting Satan to the study. The ungodly baulk at the bible if they believe they have found just one fallibility, a Christian has a duty to ensure that his/ her teacher is not erroneous on even one count. The false church, Mormons too, typically ghost past the doctrinal perversions which the heathen is ignorant or indifferent to and press forward the usual soft-spot appeals of charity, outreach, etc, which those escaping the world fall for. If Christ is divided then His kingdom cannot stand or have you not read what He said about this subject Himself? The strive is for the mind of Christ and to surmount the devil's divisive work on Christianity (denominations).
---John_II on 10/26/09

HappyLDS....Do you have trouble believing that someone would actually question the LDS teachings and leave the church? Your comment that LDS is "Christ's church" says it all. That's where I began questioning when I wondered why those who were not LDS were excluded so easily. That's when I began researching other denominations and reading the Bible thoroughly until I realized that the "church" is made up of many believers. I also questioned why there was a second chance after death and why my friend was getting baptized for dead people. It didn't make any sense to me that someone could not accept Jesus Christ while living, but could do so after death. Why did Jesus die if that were the case?
---KarenD on 10/26/09

John II - It was interesting to me that you didn't finish your sentence in regard to what the Mormon women answered. I feel certain that she pointed out that that warning was about the Book of Revelation and that that book was placed at the end by men - not by God. She probably pointed out that there are similar warnings other places in the Bible. I was also intrigued by your statement that Christ isn't conflicted or divided. Why then are there so many "Christian" denominations - all with different doctrine? Isn't this division? Rod accuses Mormons of using Christian terms but having a different meaning. I think it's perhaps a different understanding.
---HappyLDS on 10/26/09

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As always, it's intriguing how many people profess to KNOW what Mormons believe when clearly they do not. KarenD - your claim to be a "former" Mormon is unlikely since a "former" Mormon would know that not only do we believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh, we also believe him to be an exalted being - a god. If you are truly former LDS it's apparent that you knew very little about it.

Yes, we believe there are other gods - the Bible tells us that...but we worship just one God - the Father, the Father of our spirits, our Heavenly Father.

---HappyLDS on 10/26/09

As far as what LDS churches do for people, try going to one of their food banks more than a couple of times without being a member of their church.
posted by Karen

I've never been to the Bishops Storehouse for food or anything else, nor do I know anyone that has. I know that victims of natural disasters are given much from the storehouse. People on the welfare system of the church are expected to perform service to the church when possible. It's a shame our government doesn't do the same.

Why would a non member of the church go to the Bishops Storehouse for food "more than a couple of times" why not go to their own church for assistance, especially when the disdain for Mormons is so obvious. Seems hypocritical to me.
---HappyLDS on 10/26/09

Mormon belief about God says, "As I am he was, as he is I shall be." They think that God was once human. They think there are "spiritual children" in heaven waiting to be born on this earth. This results in the large families. They think that Jesus is the elder brother of Satan. Their terms contrasted with our fundamental term are corrupt and different.
Their word "Christian" means something else.
Their moral life and manners look good but inside their beliefs are like hidden grave sites.
There is nothing Christian about the Mormon faith.
Don't be fooled by the Goggle ads that appear above some of the questions here.
---Elder on 10/26/09

Mormons use the term, Heavenly Father knowing that their belief is different than Christian beliefs. Using terms deceptively is evil. by Rod4Him

I see no deception in using the term Heavenly Father. I recently attended a funeral where the pastor called upon God as the Heavenly Father so apparently not all Christians view the term as "deceptive." In fact, the LDS beliefs are very much in line with early Christianity before it got twisted up by the doctrines of men.

We believe this is Christs church, that he has chosen modern apostles and prophets, of course acceptance of them is important - just as accepting the ancient prophets and apostles.
---HappyLDS on 10/26/09

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Two Mormons stopped me and asked: "Do you believe in God", "Do you believe Jesus is the Son" and other elementary questions. Their further questions were strange and held me browbeaten but I managed to rubbish some of them from Scripture, so they quickly back-tracked to the fundamentals again: "Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God"! I felt compelled to ask them if they had a manual or training for this type of strategy, it was clearly an attempt to undermine me. Like any seasoned canvasser they were prepared for many ripostes but not that one, they will next time though. I determined with them that if being Christian is neighbourly influential, why had they crossed the Atlantic disturbing people in their homes.
---John_II on 10/25/09

Happy, the LDS heavenly father is one of many gods who have a body like ours. Mormons teaching is that these gods each have a planet and produce spirits to be born on their planet. The Mormon heavenly father also has a heavenly wife.

Restating my point, Mormons use the term, Heavenly Father knowing that their belief is different than Christian beliefs. Using terms deceptively is evil.

Heres an example, my daughter teaches persuasive composition English at a University. A Mormon student tried to persuade Christians to accept Mormons as Christian. My daughter was extremely surprised to learn what Mormon really believe.

You have been forth right, however, when Mormons are luring unsuspecting prospects, they are not forth right.
---Rod4Him on 10/24/09

Happy, here's one of your beliefs you mentioned in an earlier post. "They recognize Christ as their Savior, their Redeemer."

Here is Mormon teaching:

To know the Lord Jesus Christ, we and all mankind must receive Him. And to receive Him, we must receive His servants (see Matt. 10:40, D & C 1:38, D & C 68:89, D & C 84:36, D & C 112:20).

No non-Mormon would ever guess to receive Jesus Christ is to accept Mormon prophets.

Again, Mormon teaching is vastly different than what Christians would understand it to mean, and yet very fundamental to Christian beliefs.

Hopefully, this blog will help educate Christians to make sure terms are defined and not be deceived by Mormon usage of Christian terms.
---Rod4Him on 10/24/09

HappyLDS...Thank you for being honest about LDS belief that there are lots of Gods. Your statement basically answers the original question as to whether Mormons are Christians. As a former Mormon myself, I was just waiting for you to answer the questions to the point where you told everything about this false religion. Just remember one thing. Jesus saves! He died on that cross that you won't wear around your neck or put on your church. He carried YOUR sins to the cross as well as mine. By accepting HIM as Lord and Savior, you too can receive true salvation.
---KarenD on 10/24/09

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So much for sound financial dealings. While researching current events, I found that the credit union for LDS members in Las Vegas has been taken over by the government due to poor management. As far as what LDS churches do for people, try going to one of their food banks more than a couple of times without being a member of their church. HappyLDS, does your ward require membership in order to receive food?????
---KarenD on 10/24/09

HappyLDS is right about one thing. LDS do not teach that Jesus was just a prophet. They teach that he is NOT God and that He is the spirit brother of Lucifer. How can an angel be a "spirit brother" of any man? This is how perverted LDS religion is to justify their beliefs.
---KarenD on 10/24/09

I'm sorry Karen, that was the first question I answered (I took them in order) but apparently it wasn't posted. No, I do not believe that only LDS will be in heaven. That being said, I believe in different levels of glory (I Cor 15:40-42) - that there are many mansions in God's kingdom just as Jesus taught.
---HappyLDS on 10/24/09


If you are asking whether or not I believe that there are others called gods, yes I do and believe that the Bible supports this belief. (I Cor 8:5,6) The point is that we worship just ONE God, our Father. Where do these other gods live? Beats me, I don't know and it doesn't matter to me. Yes, we believe the Bible makes it clear that we were created in God's image - we have bodies so it would seem that He does too.

As for what Christian terms have different meanings to us - I agree that saved and salvation have different meanings to us. We refer to God as our Father - as did Jesus. He is in Heaven so Heavenly Father is accurate.

---HappyLDS on 10/24/09

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The point is important so that people understand what the Mormons believe. Then they can make their decisions.
by Rod4Him

I agree that people need to understand what Mormons believe and especially that they should make their own decisions and not accept what they have been told from people who stand to lose their livlihood should people leave their churches. Another problem is that many receive their information from sources like "The Godmakers" or equally dishonest portrayals of LDS beliefs and they don't bother to research further. There are many distortions of our beliefs that are accepted without even an attempt to verify or an understanding of why.
---HappyLDS on 10/24/09

They are far far removed from the Church of Jesus Christ. I inquired of the Mormon who'd knocked on my door why they accepted this addendum when the bible clearly warns against this. She agreed with the bible's admonition and then said: "however". Now anyone not conversant with the bible is still impressionable to this corruption and anyone teaching this does not have the mind of Christ by entertaining this conjunction to the contrary. Christ is not conflicted or divided! Christ came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, to show us the Way to God and seal Himself as the Word of God by Revelation. There are no more prophets, no more law and no more testaments, just a diligence to be Christ-like in response to salvation.
---John_II on 10/24/09

A mormon is a mormon. And a christian is a christian.
---Eloy on 10/24/09

Let me rephrase one of my questions since you weren't able to answer it. Does LDS doctrine teach that ONLY LDS are going to Heaven? Do you believe that there will be anyone other than LDS in glory?
---KarenD on 10/23/09

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Happy, the information I am getting comes from LDS and other seaches and knowledge that I am remembering from friends who came out of the Mormon church.

The point is important so that people understand what the Mormons believe. Then they can make their decisions.

My point is that the LDS teachings sound similar to Christian teachings but have different meanings.

Back to Heavenly father, let's be clear, Mormons believe he has a body and there are others like him on other planets.

You use the term, plan for our lives, again that means something very different to general Christian understanding.
---Rod4Him on 10/23/09

Truthfully Rod, I can't imagine what the body of God looks like. His is a perfect, glorified, resurrected form. The only thing of which I am certain is that we were created in His image - we're told that in the Bible. Personally I believe that it makes more sense to understand that God has been through a similar experience as we have to go through and therefore He understands. It seems logical that God came from somewhere and that there truly is a plan and purpose to our lives. Jesus Christ is the most important part of that plan. Jesus is the Son of God, the ONLY begotten in the flesh. I'm grateful for the knowledge I have in this regard. I can't speak for the existence of other Heavenly Fathers, I have only one.
---HappyLDS on 10/23/09


The other blog is full so I will post these numbers for you here: For 2008:
Cash donations 282.3 million
Value of Material Asst. 833.6 million
Countries served 167
Tons of Food 61,308
Tons of Med supplies 84,681
Tons of Education sup 5965
Hygiene, newborn, school kits 8.6 million

My source is Provident Living - Welfare facts
---HappyLDS on 10/23/09

Now He is our High Priest. The resrstoraition is His Second coming when He who created everything returns.
by Samuel

Actually Samuel, the scripture reads, "whom the heavens must receive UNTIL the restitution of all things..." That sounds to me like there will be a restoration BEFORE the Second coming of Christ.
---HappyLDS on 10/23/09

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Happy, your definition of the Mormon Heavenly Father is, "He is God, the Father. He is the Father of our spirits. We are all sons and daughters of God, our Heavenly Father."

What you didn't mention is that Mormons believe The Heavenly Father has a body just like humans, but isn't Jesus Christ.

Is it not true that Mormons also believe that the Heavenly Father was a man, human, but not Jesus, once and became the Heavenly Father.

Is it also true that Mormons believe there are many Heavenly Fathers each one over another planet?

Here is a quote: As man is, God once was: as God is, man may be" (Lorenzo Snow, Millenial Star, vol.54).

Perhaps you can explain better who the Heavenly Father is.
---Rod4Him on 10/23/09

LDS consider themselves Chrisitan because they believe in a Christ. But, Jesus himself warms us of many false Christs in the endtimes. Matthew 24.

Besides the false prophecies of Joseph Smith, the main thing that places them outside of Biblical Orthodox Christianity is their belief in exhaultation or becoming a god. This is a direct contradiction of Isaiah 43:10

And, there is no doubt concerning the book of Isiah because that book was found complete within the Dead Sea Scrolls. The only minor differences was how a word was spelled here and their.

I love Mormons and they need the real Jesus
---Daniel on 10/23/09

NO...A Mormon is not a Christian. Their theology is a deception and a blind bondage for many well meaning persons. Although Mormons maintain good family values, simply being good doesn't get someone eternal life. Man's righteous is as filthy rags in the sight of God. Only the Blood of Jesus and a Heart's acceptance as Savior makes the difference. Adding to God's Word is condemned in the Book of Revelation. An example is the Book of Mormon. Mormon theology also discriminates against non-Mormons visiting their religious churches/temples. Whereas Jesus invites all!
---Robert on 10/23/09

We learn in the Bible that there would be a time that the Lord would no longer communicate with the people on earth.

Prophets still come now.

We also learn in the Bible that Jesus would be received into the heavens until a restoration of all things. HappyLDS

Now He is our High Priest. The resrstoraition is His Second coming when He who created everything returns.

All truth must be judged by the words of the Apostles and prophets since there are many false prophets.

We do not believe that simply accepting Christ is enough. We believe that we are expected to obey and live the principles he taught. We believe "works" are expected HappyLDS

As the result of Love and faith agreed.
---Samuel on 10/23/09

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To clarify my point and answer your question regarding inclusion in the Christian community. It is other "Christians" that disparage, insult and even lie about Mormon doctrine in order to somehow "prove" Mormons aren't Christian. I have never heard any leader of my church call those in other denominations unchristian - NEVER. We learn about our own doctrine in our Sunday school lessons, we don't spend our time dissecting the doctrine of others. My point is that we do not seek to tell anyone that they aren't Christian, unfortunately we aren't granted the same respect.
---HappyLDS on 10/23/09

I went to the LDS website and did the same search on "recognize Christ" and ten pages or more of talks came up. I didn't read all but certainly didn't find one that stopped at saying that we believe that Christ was nothing more than a philosopher who said good things?!?

As for who Heavenly Father is - He is God. He is God, the Father. He is the Father of our spirits. We are all sons and daughters of God, our Heavenly Father. We believe that God and Jesus Christ are separate beings.

I agree that being saved and salvation have different meanings to the LDS. I think a good explanation of this is found on the LDS website in a talk by Dallin Oaks called Have You Been Saved.
---HappyLDS on 10/22/09

cont. to Karen -

Yes, I do believe that the ordinance of baptism can be performed for the dead. Jesus taught that one must be baptized to enter the kingdom of God. This ordinance allows those who were never given that opportunity to receive it. Ultimately it is their choice to accept it. The Corinthians practiced this ordinance (I Cor 15:29) note that he didn't tell them they were wrong - he questioned why they did it since they no longer believed in the resurrection.

No, there is not a picture of Joseph Smith or Brigham Young in our foyer. The first thing one sees when they enter our foyer is a picture of the Last Supper. I've seen this strange accusation before...

---HappyLDS on 10/22/09

cont. for Karen

I don't know who started that rumor but it is untrue. As a matter of fact, when I first heard it I paid special attention. I can't speak for all LDS chapels but in those I've attended, pictures of Jesus Christ fill the hallways. I think there is one of Joseph Smith in a Sunday school class but not any of Brigham Young. Truthfully I'm not sure I've ever seen a picture of Brigham Young hanging in any foyer or hallway in any building (chapel) I've visited.

---HappyLDS on 10/22/09

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Happy, Karen mentioned something that may confirm my point again.

You said, "Acceptance into the Christian community certainly won't define who we are, we leave that up to God."

Acceptance into the Christian community sounds like the Mormons are trying to say they should be included into the "Christian community," however, I don't believe they include the "Christian community" into their religion.

Is that right or not?

That sounds deceptive to me.
---Rod4Him on 10/22/09

cont. to Karen -

No, our churches do not have crosses on them - is this a necessity to be a Christian? Most Mormons do not wear crosses either though wearing one will certainly not get anyone thrown out of church. Why not? I've heard several plausible explanations. There's an analogy that it's like hanging the gun that shot your brother on the wall, we celebrate his resurrection, the early Saints were converted from denominations that didn't wear crosses and the tradition simply carried on, my favorite is that we carry our crosses, we have no need to display them. Anyway - pick one.
---HappyLDS on 10/22/09

HappyLDS...One question. Do you believe that anyone who is NOT baptized into the LDS faith are going to Heaven? Do you believe that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers? Do you believe that a person can get baptized in proxy for a dead person and that baptism is acceptable to God? Is there a picture of Joseph Smith or Brigham Young hanging in your church foyer? Is there a picture of Jesus there? Is there a cross on your church?
---KarenD on 10/22/09

The answer to the blog question is simple. Yes, Mormons are Christian. Do the Mormons have practices that when taken out of context seem strange? Probably so. There are practices of "Christians" that seem strange to Mormons as well. It seems strange to me, as a Mormon Christian that the ordinance of baptism has been changed by some and ignored by others. It seems odd that so many believe that the church is no longer set up as Jesus Christ organized it himself - with apostles and prophets. It seems bizarre to believe the Trinitarian doctrine - a man made doctrine - and even worse, judge those who don't believe it as unchristian. Acceptance into the Christian community certainly won't define who we are, we leave that up to God.
---HappyLDS on 10/22/09

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Happy, I'll get the quotes for you if you want. I got the information from "your prophets." You can look it up within the offical LDS website with a "recognize Christ" search.

My honesty is searching LDS website. Anybody who questions my honesty can look up the information as I did according to the above information.

I don't mean any personal offence. And I am sorry to be so blunt, but it is the LDS teachings that are deceitful to the Truth.

My point is that the terms that the Mormons use sound the same or very similar to Christian terms that have very different meanings. Christians who are not aware of the different meanings can be mislead.

I'll work on definitions, and I welcome your help.
---Rod4Him on 10/22/09

Happy, trying to get a concise statement from the LDS is very difficult. I read lots of words with confusing meanings.

Let's continue with the LDS belief of who the Heavenly Father is. Please give your definition.

BTW, I was reading statements from Tanner on recognizing Christ. LDS do say many other things of Christ, but the meaning of the terms are confusing. They use the term the savior, but if one reads more information it is not clear what they mean.
---Rod4Him on 10/22/09

Samuel -
We learn in the Bible that there would be a time that the Lord would no longer communicate with the people on earth. (Amos 8:11 / 2 Thes 2:3)

We also learn in the Bible that Jesus would be received into the heavens until a restoration of all things came to pass. (Acts 3:21)

There were portions of the truth which remained on earth after the death of the Apostles. I would say that's pretty obvious when you consider the many different doctrines which exist today.
---HappyLDS on 10/22/09

Rod -

I must admit that I expected a bit more honesty from you. To assert that Mormons regard Jesus Christ as nothing more than a great philosopher is total deception. He is our Savior, it is His example that we follow and it is His sacrifice that will resurrect us and ultimately grant us eternal life. I thought I made that abundantly clear.
We do not believe that simply accepting Christ is enough. We believe that we are expected to obey and live the principles he taught - why else would he bother teaching them. We believe "works" we are expected to do are things like obedience, baptism, repentance, charity, etc. I assume you know that the Bible says we will be judged by our works.
---HappyLDS on 10/22/09

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Happy, I'll reply to one topic at a time.

Saying Mormons recognize Christ to a Christian misleads them.

To a Mormon it means that Christ said good things, like any other philosopher. To a Mormon it also means to live by His teachings or principles.

To a Christian Christ is much much more than principles. To recognize Christ to a believer has the idea of committing one's life to Him. In contract, Mormons commit to a philosophy of good works rather than to the person of Christ.

Mormons resolve to recognize (cognitively)and commit to Christ's commandments, whereas, Christians commit their lives to a personal living Christ, which results in good works.
---Rod4Him on 10/22/09

Statement found on Internet and I agree .
"The Mormons believe that after the apostles had died that their followers changed their teaching, and not until Joseph Smith received his vision in 1820 was the apostolic teaching restored. This would mean that the gates of hell had prevailed against the Church for almost two millenniums. This is contrary to what Jesus had promised in Matthew 16:18, plus it makes the apostles failures in trying to establish the first disciples after them. According to the Latter Day Saints, we are suppose to believe that the Mormons knew the true apostolic teaching more than the disciples who heard their teaching first hand.
---mima on 10/22/09

Recently and I have started asking people who joined the Mormon Church or became a Jehovah witness( Demonic cults) what were the circumstances of their lives when the cults approached them. And several of them told me that they were in personal turmoil, very wary from crying,or at a time of searching in their life.

Understanding that a drowning man will grap at a straw we can easily see and understand how some fall victim to the cults!
---mima on 10/22/09

Dear HappyLDS

The words of Joseph Smith and all the prophets who followed behind him are above the Bible to you. The LDS do not keep the Fourth of the Ten Commandments nor acknowledge that JESUS CHRIST created everyething that exist or has existed. They state there are many true gods. Yes they have a church orgnization but that is not the one shown in the New Testament. They did not take multiple wives in disobdience to the teachings of JESUS.

They did not teach the temple practice or that men become gods and women stay pregnant for eternity.

Many times I have given Bible verse to back up what I say. But I am a Seventh day Adventist Christian. Obdience is the result of faith from being Born again.
---Samuel on 10/22/09

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Rod4him, you made very good points. Some thing sound religious but when they define the terms you see right through them.
---Bobby1 on 10/22/09

"Recognize" Christ as our Savior and Redeemer means that we know he is our Savior - that without him we cannot achieve Eternal life. I used the term "recognize" because so many attempt to say that we have no recognition of Jesus Christ.

We "strive to obey" means that we do our best to obey the commandments but know that we will likely fall short as we are not perfect. Jesus Christ sacrificed himself to atone or pay ransom for our sins because he knew we would fall short without him.

Faith is defined by Paul in Hebrews 11:1. Through our faith in Jesus Christ and in his words, we find strength to withstand the trials that we are bound to experience.

---HappyLDS on 10/21/09


I don't believe that tithing is a false teaching, it is both biblical and in modern revelation. I don't believe that men should be paid to preach the gospel, I believe that one must be called of God - not graduate from Bible College.

As for the organization of Christ's church - you say "Mormon" apostles and prophets but I say prophets and apostles chosen by Christ who happen to live in modern times. It was others that nicknamed us Mormon, we are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

As for God's secrets, I used the words found in Amos 3:7. The word secret is used and I do believe that God will reveal what He wants us to know when He wants us to know it and are ready to receive it.
---HappyLDS on 10/21/09

Christians believe that God is a spirit, and the Father is neither created nor begotten.

Mormonoids worship an entity they call god the father who had a father before him, and grandfathers, and greatgrandfathers, etc. Their god the father has a physical body that is gender specific male, and he spends time with his (at least one) goddess wife doing *T*H*A*T* all day and having spirit babies waiting in a heretorfore to be born into physical bodies on earth.

Now, is this Christianity or a polytheistic fertility cult?
---Cluny on 10/22/09

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Happy,let's define some terms.

One problem I have with Mormon teachings is the terms they use when they know that they define them different than Christian beliefs.

1. What does "recongnize Christ as their Savior" mean?
2. "Strive to obey?" Is Christ their savior or not? Mormon's reason for striving are different.
3. "Faith?" in what? What does it mean to receive the HS, and who is He to Mormons?
4. "Tithe?" False teaching.
5. Sounds good, but define...Mormon prophets and apostles.
6. "His secrets?" Yes...?

Mormons knowingly deceive using terms that they know sound the same but have different meanings.
---Rod4Him on 10/21/09

As usual, many love to follow the lies and hypocrisy of many that live their lives in contradiction. Many attend church on sunday and follow satan during the week. Jesus said: you cannot serve two masters. Where is adultery, murder, lies, scams, theft, profanity, etc listed in the bible as righteousness? Nowhere! It says anyone guilty of that will NOT enter the kingdom of God. LDS's practise what they preach by example. We know that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, is no respector of persons, he never changes or he ceases to exist. As usual, many attack LDS's because they follow the bible in its entirety. Everyone forgets that the christian churches were formed by man, in rebellion against Catholicism.
---ashley on 10/21/09

Hmmm...let's see.
Here are some ways that Mormons live their lives:
1. They worship God, the Father through the Son, Jesus Christ. They recognize Christ as their Savior, their Redeemer.
2. They strive to obey the Ten Commandments.
3. They believe in faith, repentance, baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost.
4. They tithe
5. They believe that the Church of Jesus Christ is organized by Christ - just as in New Testament days, through prophets and apostles.
6. They believe the Bible to be the word of God AND they believe that God continues to reveal his secrets to His prophets (as taught in the Bible).

Judging Mormons as Christians or not isn't your call, it might serve you to remember that. (also biblical)
---HappyLDS on 10/21/09

Latter day Saints or Mormons call themselves Christians since they say they accept JESUS CHRIST as their Saviour. However they follow the writing of Joseph Smith and other prophets above the Bible.

I will let GOD decide their heart but their doctrine is not Biblical.
---Samuel on 10/19/09

NOT TRUE...except for the part about us accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior, that is true.
---HappyLDS on 10/21/09

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The Writers of the New Testament came to be called Christians. But by birth, heritage and belief they were Jews who believed the Messiah had come. All of the Apostles were Jews.

Christianity is the child of Judaism we have a Jewish Messiah who came as the Son of David. Unless you wish to tell me David and all the writers of the Old Testemant were not Jews. Now you can get picky and say they are Hebrews. But in today's language Jews and Hebrews are interchangable.
---Samuel on 10/21/09

Jews wrote the New Testament. They understood there is only one GOD.
---Samuel on 10/20/09

Christians actually wrote the N.Testament of tribe of Benjamin for most part.

Another common error calling Christianity, "Judeo Christianity".
Small thing that is big. Translated means "Judean Annointed". Salvation did not come by National Judeans ,or mission, but from one individual through/of the Nation. "Nation" did not annoint us. Nor does it today. Messiah from did.....through line of David.....through birthright process that first sons of Jacob lost. They would have been divorced as well but for an all knowing GOD, who keeps a covenant. Whether we do or not.

---Trav on 10/21/09

Instead of looking at the Bible and examining what it says the Charge of Paganism is made.

Jews wrote the New Testament. They understood there is only one GOD. Unlike Mormons who believe in millions of different gods. The Bible speaks of millions of false gods but only one true GOD.

What the church had to dead with and stll must deal with is that the Apostles wrote of JESUS as being GOD. But not the Father in heaven. To explain the New Testament the Word and concept of trinity came about.

I do not totally understand GOD. That is fine since I am not His equal.
---Samuel on 10/20/09

Larry, Spoken like a true trinitarin steeped in the pagan belief that their gods are multi-personalitied!
The Jews were God's chosen people long before Christians, ask a Rabbi if God is a "triune" being! 4,000 years of pre-Christian history say "No way".
---1st_cliff on 10/19/09

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No. Anyone who denies any portion of the personhood of God or Jesus is not a Christian.
Mormons believe God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are SEPARATE Gods united in will.
This is a tragic error straight from the pit of hell.
---larry on 10/19/09

Just recently a Mormon and I had a talk. Several days after the talk I received the following in an e-mail. I learned more about the Bible during an hour's talk with you than I have learned in the Mormon church after several years.

What caused this man to write this is he saw his daughter receive the Lord after a short period of witnessing to her. Will he come out of the Mormon Church I have no idea. But of course he sees the conversion of his daughter and I think in time that that will turn him from the Mormon Church.
---mima on 10/19/09

Not really, O there may be isolated cases but overall they are not Christian. They follow a man Joseph Smith's teachings. They have their own book of Mormon which they say is another Testament of Jesus Christ. They have special marriage ceremonies in the temple ext. ext. ext.
---mima on 10/19/09

Latter day Saints or Mormons call themselves Christians since they say they accept JESUS CHRIST as their Saviour. However they follow the writing of Joseph Smith and other prophets above the Bible.

They teach salvation by Cermonies and works that GOD was once a human being and that only a few or none go to hell.

I will let GOD decide their heart but their doctrine is not Biblical.
---Samuel on 10/19/09

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If a Mormon knows what their teachings teach, they are not Christian in any sense of a liberal application of Christian.

However, I think there are many people who go to mormon churches who don't know their teachings. Many people who know the basics of Jesus Christ dying and rising again assume mormons believe basically the same thing.

Mormonism is a young enough religion that its history can be researched which reveals incredible challenges to an intelligent seeking person.

For example, there is documentation that Joseph Smith deceived his first wife to meet with another woman, in his hand writing. There is also documentation that he married 33 women. That's one reason he was jailed.
---Rod4Him on 10/18/09

I just dont think so. The mormans just another Man-made (Joseph Smith) relig-org the started here, 2nd. Cori. 11 v's14-15.
---Lawrence on 10/18/09

NO the mormom church teaches that God was a spirit that resided on a planet,that the God of that planet allowed him to leave with his wife,and that they produced spirit children,jesus,the devil,all spirits,and that we are Gods.
---tom2 on 10/18/09

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