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Explain John 16:8-10

After studying John 16:8-10, it appears that the Holy Spirit convicts the unsaved who do not believe in Jesus of their sins and convicts the saved who believe in Jesus of their righteousness. What do you brethren think?

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The Samaritan was nowhere near being the apple of God's eye, (according to the popular concensus), yet our Lord lauded his kindness as that which is pleasing to God. Funny thing, an outsider!
How many ousiders do you fellows have? Kindness, mercy and faith, whomever lives by them is alright by me. Even if they were a dog,
Matthew 15:28 "Then Jesus answered her, O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire. And her daughter was healed instantly."
---Nana on 3/1/10

Christians depend on the Lord's sacrifice - substitutionary atonement, and non-believers in their own 'righteousness'.
John 16:7-15. For Christians, the Holy Spirit comforts, guides into all truth, shows things to come, glorifies Jesus, and communicates God's will. For the unsaved, he convinces them of sin, the Lord's righteousness, and that God judges men. A few of those will become Christians. John 1:1-16, Romans 1:19-20, 2:14-16.
---Glenn on 3/1/10

I believe we are totally incapable of pleasing God until we first yield ourselves to Him. I believe the Holy Spirit draws the sinner so they can repent and believe. Otherwise I think they would be lost.
---Donna66 on 2/28/10

I agree with this 100%.

But that doesn't change the fact that People are not the way Markv portrays them to be. Not all mankind is totally and fully evil.
NO, we can't save ourselves.
YES, without Christ any good we do is nothing.
BUT sinners still do good. That is my point. The difference in us and them is we do it for God to get glory. They do it for self glory.
---miche3754 on 3/1/10

Mark ... I have not won ... and do not seek to win. I'm just glad you now see that we agree with each other!
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/1/10

Alan of UK--- Not sure how I insulted anyone. No insult was intended. Thank God there are those who risk their lives to save others.

I went off on a rabbit trail... What I originally wanted to say is that even good works, no matter how wonderful in the sight of man, in themselves do not earn us any credit with God.

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

I believe we are totally incapable of pleasing God until we first yield ourselves to Him. I believe the Holy Spirit draws the sinner so they can repent and believe. Otherwise I think they would be lost.
---Donna66 on 2/28/10

Alan, ok you win again, you are on a roll, I will stop and hope that you have a great day today and the rest of the week. peace I leave you.
---MarkV. on 2/28/10

Alan, I read what you wrote, the depravity or inability is concerning spiritual matters. Anything that has to do with God no matter what it is, has to be revealed by the Holy Spirit. Without the Spirit, they can do nothing but continue to be lost. That is the inability they find themselves in. I know as far as you and I are concern many are good people.
Here is one passage for you, "And no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit"
You see Alan, no one can confess Him as Lord and Savior without the Holy Spirit. It is the Spirit that reveals Him to us. Without that revelation no one can say Jesus Is Lord. People here want to say they can without the Spirit. The lost are spiritually dead.
---MarkV. on 2/28/10

Mark ... Miche has suggested you have a personality disorder. I would not go that far, but you certainly have an extraordinary ability to misread what people write.

Please reread my middle paragraph. It says exactly what you now say, but with fewer words.

We agree that the unsaved can do good deeds, but they will not be saved thereby.

So why do you insist on disagreeing with me, when I agree?

Is it just because I don't condemn those people for making that sacrifice?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/28/10

We are saved by faith through Christ.
It matters not whether this is before the passion or after.
God and His grace is not bound by time.
Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect
---MIchael on 2/28/10

Alan, again I say, that you and I do not agree with the salvation of the lost, who saves them, why they were saved, the Scriptures, and maybe even losing salvation. But that is ok. You feel and believe what you have learned. You have every right to believe as you want. I was only stating from Scripture. If saving someone's life credits them for salvation, then we have another way into heaven that maybe Rod4him knows about. I only know one way, and one way only. A few people did not have to go through Christ like Enoch and Elijah, but the norm is that everyone else has to, the Old Testament saints looked forwared to Christ, we look backwards to Christ Works. That is the only way I know. It was fun answering you Alan,
---MarkV. on 2/28/10

Mark ... I do wish you would read what I write!

I agree with all you say about heaven & hell and needing the Saviour, and that sacrifice by itself does not get you into heaven! I do not say the unsaved will be forgiven by God because of their good deeds.

You yourself accept that unsaved people can do good deeds. They can even sacrifice themselves for others. If you call those acts of depravity, that it your privilege.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/28/10

Rod4him, Alan, Nana

You guys are just Awesome!!!
God bless you!
---miche3754 on 2/28/10

Alan, you have not got the point yet and you are thinking like there is no God to answer to when you say, "what about a man who saves a child from a fire"
The Bible says you must be born again, you have to have faith in Jesus Christ to enter heaven. Because all who are lost are already condemned, heading to hell, whether they saved one or twenty people. They all need the Savior. Not one good deed will get them in just because they saved someone or gave to the poor.
Is God going to put aside His law? Is He going to break His Word? All who are lost are in rebellion against God. Will God forgive them because they did good deeds in life? Not a chance Alan.
---MarkV. on 2/28/10

Matthew 15:24: But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Luke 19:10: For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

There is nothing lost which was not first had.

Every good deed, every noble and kind act do not go unnoticed by God.
Matthew 5:
Blessed are:
the poor in spirit
they that mourn
the meek
they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness
the merciful
the pure in heart
the peacemakers

I am with Alan's point therefore.
---Nana on 2/27/10

I am going to agree with alan. I believe man is made in the image of God, and God is good, therefore man can be good.

However, man's goodness will never obtain them eternal life apart from Jesus Christ.

As far as Christian's good works, we don't know their motives either. Maybe they are still trying to obtain their own righteousness through their good works.

Donna, you are no doubt right that many unbelievers may do good works trying to be good enough for God. I submit, many Christians do also.

Thanks alan for the font know how.
---Rod4Him on 2/27/10

Donna66 ... I don't know how I would react if I was faced with that situation.

Your comments are a gross insult to those many who have sacrificed themselves for others.

Visit Postman's Park in London, or look it up on the web. And shed tears of shame for your insult to them.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/27/10

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Alan of UK -- Thankfully, opportunities to save a child form a burning house are rare.
If you didn't make the effort, what would you think of yourself? Would you have to rationalize to yourself and others why you didn't?
---Donna66 on 2/27/10

Donna ... If I sacrificed myself to save a child from a burning house, I don't think my motive would be "self interest". And I don't think Atheist's would either.

MarkV It just shows again, how words mean different things to different people. The standard understanding of depraved and evil refers to all actions. Most would say that Hitler and Stalin were evil and depraved.

That's quite diffreent from the evil and depravity that you refer.

No wonder, sometimes you are misunderstood.

What does the Total Depravity of TULIP mean?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/27/10

Alan of UK

Some people who are not Christian still think that good works will earn them a place in heaven. Atheist would not be among them.

Motives are hard to discern. Some people are very generous because it makes them "feel good" and they want to be well thought of. Their works may be good, but their main interest is still primarily self.
Self-centeredness is the basic ingredient of sin.
---Donna66 on 2/26/10

Alan, when we speak of total inability or depraved, it only for spiritual matters concerning God.
"The unspiritual man does not recive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14).
He is free as far as doing what he wants but he never wants God. He is like a bird with a broken wing, he can do many things but he cannot fly, because he is not able to.
All descendants of Adam are in that state, that is why Jesus said, you must be born again of the Spirit.
Concerning your "wrong principle" it comes from God, "For whatever is not of faith is sin" Hope that helped.
---MarkV. on 2/26/10

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Mark ... thanks for that further reply.

Your first sentence seemed to agree we are not totally depraved, in that we are not deliberately evil. But then you contradict this

You say all we do, even it it looks good to our eyes, is sin, and is actuated by wrong principles.

What is the "wrong principle" if Atheist (I use him as an example, for we know he is not and does not pretend to be "saved") gives to the homeless out of the kindness of his heart? Or if he sacrifices his life to save a stranger? What's his wrong motive? It won't be so that he's rewarded by a place in heaven (which might be a "Christian's" motive)

Can you say that such actions would be depraved and evil?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/26/10

"And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment,concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me,and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me,and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged."
I added v11 because I think its pertinent info.
This tells me 3 things-
HS convicts sinners because they don't believe in Jesus even though he was sent to testify of and do the will of the Father.
HS convicts(brings)righteousness because Jesus is going to God to send HS to teach GOD's righteousness.
HS has already judged the god of this world- Satan(self explanatory).
---miche3754 on 2/26/10

This is what John 16:8-10 mean:

The Spirit convinces of the fact of sin, of the fault of sin, of the folly of sin, of the filth of sin, that by it we are become hateful to God, of the fountain of sin, the corrupt nature, and lastly, of the fruit of sin, that the end thereof is death. The Holy Spirit proves that all the world is guilty before God. He convinces the world of righteousness, that Jesus of Nazareth was Christ the righteous.

Also, of Christ's righteousness, imparted to us for justification and salvation. He will show them where it is to be had, and how they may be accepted as righteous in God's sight.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/10

After studying John 16:8-10, it appears that the Holy Spirit convicts the unsaved who do not believe in Jesus of their sins and convicts the saved who believe in Jesus of their righteousness. What do you brethren think? Bob

How can anyone be convicted of THEIR righteousness. There is NONE not one.

Did you mean SELF righteousness, which is also a sin, Phariseeism? The Jews who were so convinced of their own electness, they missed it? Romans 10. Having a zeal of righteousness but not the Righteousness that comes by Jesus Christ?
---kathr4453 on 2/26/10

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Rod4Him, I don't remember you helping me or saying that what I have stated was Truth. In fact you questioned the Truth I present. The first time you wrote it was a warning. Now as a brother in Christ I respect you very much. And when you talk about Scripture I agee with you. I have not disagreed yet. I admit when I am at fault on Scripture. I also have no problem with the Word of God. I know who saved me. I disagree with almost everyone at one point or another and tell them why. To me there is no groups between any of them. But here you do have a group specially for one purpose, and they seem to be cheering you on at this moment. I speak for God and not for man in all my answers. My answers are God centered, not man centered.
---MarkV. on 2/26/10


You get upset with all of us but see we use the word of God for our posts, you use the opinions of men(books other than the Bible) for yours.
That is a big difference.

Rod4him, awesome!!!!
You too Alan, ya'll are just awesome!!
---miche3754 on 2/26/10

TODAY Gods LOVE is revealed through His Son Jesus Christ. Tomorrow, Gods WRATH:

Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness,

Romans 2:8
But unto them that are contentious, and dont obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,(this does NOT say cant obey, because only the elect know the truth)

1 Thess 2:16
Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved,(faith comes by hearing)..but some stand in the way of sinners*Psalms 1:1* to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/10

Alan, the inability does not mean that all man is as bad as he could be, nor that anyone is entirely destitute of virtue, nor that human nature is evil in itself, and much less does it mean that the body is dead. What it does mean is that since the fall man rest under the curse of sin, that he is actuated by wrong principles, and that he is wholly unable to love God or to do anything meriting salvation. The passage, "Everything without faith is sin" means that no matter what they do, even it it looks good to our eyes, it is sin, since it was done without faith in the Lord since all good things come from above. Man is free but cannot originate the love of God in his heart. "Ye will not come to Me, that ye may have life"
---MarkV. on 2/26/10

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MarkV,I've tried to communicate my appreciation for your good contributions to these blogs, but you don't seem to notice. You only focus on statements meant for your edification and take them as negatives.

I am in Jesus Christ's group. Apparently you think in terms of grouping people out side of Christ. I thought we were all believers.

If I didn't believe you are a brother in Christ, I'd ignore you.

I am sorry that you take instruction or rebukes as saying something negative instead of edification. It's for your betterment/edification. Perhaps this blog forum isn't the place for it, rather than face to face where there is a give and take.

Would you like to connect in private e-mails?
---Rod4Him on 2/25/10

1 Corinthians 14:20 "Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature."
Ecclesiastes 7:29 "See, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes."
Paul speaks of that "nature" given by God to man, that knows and is capable to know God and his ways. Calvin attests to it in his commentary of Romans 2:14-16:
"He sets nature in opposition to a written law, meaning that the Gentiles had the natural light of righteousness, which supplied the place of that law by which the Jews were instructed, so that they were a law to themselves. " Some of you do not even know what is it that you defend!
---Nana on 2/25/10

"I don't need to hear what you think of me or how you feel about me. If you don't like me, stand in line behind Kathr, Nana, Miche."
MarkV. on 2/25/10

But you think the whole world needs to hear what you think of me? And you called me a hypocrite? Double standard?
---Nana on 2/26/10

Rod4him, if you do not have any edification for me, advice on Scripture or questions on any perticular verse or subject, I don't need to hear what you think of me or how you feel about me. If you don't like me, stand in line behind Kathr, Nana, Miche. Join their group. Everything else is just opinions and gossip, nothing to give glory to God. I am willing to answer any question I can answer concerning the Sovereignty of God and give you Scripture. You didn't need my help on the inability of man yet still had something negative to say to me.
---MarkV. on 2/25/10

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Bob, I think you answered your own question very well.
---larry on 2/25/10

MarkV Thank you for your reply, and why should I get angry ... I don't unless I am misrepresented.

It seems your reply was not published in ful, but what I have seen does not refer to total depravity and evil (as described in my post) but to inability to avoid sin. I agree we can't avoid sin, neither can Atheist avoid doing wrong.

But that does not make us or him totally depraved, and totally evil, which would mean that we can't do anything good, we can't be kind, we can't sacrifice ourselves to save a child.

That's what I was asking you about
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/25/10

Allow me to add to the concept of total depravity, that that refers to man's inablility to justify himself to God apart from Jesus Christ.

---Rod4Him on 2/25/10

Oh Rod -I love you I love you I love you!!!

Well, You know,In Christ that is!! Ha!

That is the best wording I believe I have ever heard, Short, Simple Concise and totally to the point! Not to mention TRUE!!!

HA!! You do Have the Wisdom of God!!! :) My apologies!
---kathr4453 on 2/25/10

"Total depravity is a joke. Depravity is earned, not inherited:

Anyone who thinks this statement is true would do well to calmly take a look at their innermost being. Another words a little self-examination will quickly show that our depravity is indeed inherented.

Self and pride are the two main reasons for a rational person could be deceived in this manner!!!
---mima on 2/25/10

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Nana -- Is there a human being anywhere that has chosen to be righteous in all their acts and thoughts....and then actually was? I know of none. That's why I think the propensity to sin is inherited.
---Donna66 on 2/25/10

Amen Nana,

Wonderful BIBLICAL explanation that total depravity is a lie.

Unlike some on here who value men's council over the bible, it is wonderful some still take God's over man's.

I would like to see scripture IN CONTEXT that proves man is totally depraved.

NO cherry picking please.

For those who don't understand "in context" and "cherry picking"-
By the way "in context" means using more than 1 or 2 verses.
"cherry picking" is only using 1 or 2 verses.
---miche3754 on 2/25/10

Absolutely Nana, And The Westminster Confession is not the WORD OF GOD, it is the word of Reformed Theology. Every denomination has their statement of faith.

Depravity is certainly individually earned. Just because those seared their own conscience doesn't mean that is something inherited by every individual human being. Any more than righteousness is inherited from one's parents.

Look at Cain and Abel, both out of the same loins. Cain was born FIRST, and was reprobate, yet Abel born second was not. Therefore it is individual.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/10

In John 16:8-10, Jesus is fortelling to his disciples that he is going to leave them and his holy Spirit will come and continue his work of convicting sinners of sin, and showing to all the world, to both sinner and saint, that he is the righteousness of God: in that after the people killed the innocent he rose back to life again from the dead and he ascended back up to heaven proven ordained to be the judge of all, exactly as he prophesied.
---Eloy on 2/25/10

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MarkV, like you to Alan, I don't want to make you angry. I always try to find common ground with fellow believers, and I agree with much of what you say.

However, let me point out that you assume that you are right, and you present your opinions as God given facts, and that you are incapable of being in any small facet of error.

I hate to even mention this next thing because you are so sensitive to it. If the name Calvin gets mentioned, you react.

Allow me to add to the concept of total depravity, that that refers to man's inablility to justify himself to God apart from Jesus Christ.

There are many people of great character on earth, who are good people to mankind. However, that goodness will not get them to heaven.
---Rod4Him on 2/25/10

Alan, my second post was did not come out. Sorry for that.

Nana, the passages you gave do not in any way speak against depravity. Everybody knows about God. Everyone is responsible for their actions, because they did not honor Him as God. In fact knowing God condemns them because they knew God and didn't acknowledge Him as God. So your points are meaningless.
---MarkV. on 2/25/10

Total depravity is a joke. Depravity is earned, not inherited:
Romans 1:19 "For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them." (...They shall all be taught of God..., Ain't that the truth?)
Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
---Nana on 2/24/10

Alan, I will answer you, but I do not want to get you angry. If you have a question after I answer, I will do what I can to answer. If still you do not understand, then I cannot help you. And you will have to just disagree period.
In the Westminster Confession the doctrine of Total inability is stated as follow-"Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation, so as a natural men, being altogether averse from good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto."
Alan, the doctrine of total inability which declares that men are dead in sin, does not mean that all men are equally bad,
---MarkV. on 2/25/10

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Mark ... I still find difficulty with this "total depravity"

What does depravity mean? Is there a special theological/Christian definition of it which differs from what we would generally understand by the word.

My dictionary says it means morally corrupt. And evil is defined as profoundly immoral and malevolent, and refers to association with the forces of the devil.

To me the words imply some element of intent.

Would you suggest, for example, that Atheist, and all who have not been saved, are positively evil and corrupt intent?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/24/10

Bob #2: I had posted part 2 but was not posted on line. Though all man are depraved, cursed by their sins of God's law and sinful by nature, what ultimately damns them to hell is their unwillingness to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior (8:24). "Unrighteousness" Here the Holy Spirit purpose is to shatter the pretentions of self-righteousness (hypocrisy), exposing the darkness of the heart (3:19-21, 7:7, 15:22,24). While Jesus was on the earth, He performed this task especially toward the shallowness and emptiness of Judaism that had degenerated into legalistic modes without life-giving reality. Because as we know under the law, there is no new life. The law never saved anyone.
---MarkV. on 2/24/10

The ministry of the Holy Spirit is a convicting ministry. He will convict of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment. The Holy Spirit, through the word of God and preaching, convicts men of their sin....Of Righteousness, verse 10, I admit I do not understand, very well! Here it is......Although the world would reject the work of the Righteous One. The Father would accept it [I go to my Father]. God's spirit would convict men of true righteousness.
---catherine on 2/22/10

Bob, found your blog and wanted to comment on it. Many have given great answers and wanted to give mine.
1. verse 8, "When He comes" The coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was approximately 40 or more days away at this point (Acts 2:1-13). "Convict" The word has two meanings. A. the judicial act of conviction with a view toward sentencing. B. the act of convincing. The second meaning is best since the purpose of the Holy Spirit is not condemnation but conviction of a need of a Savior.
2. Verse 9, "of sin" the singular indicates that a specific sin is in view, That of not believing in Jesus as Messiah and Son of God. This is the only sin, ultimately, that damns people to hell. (8:24).
---MarkV. on 2/21/10

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If you read verse 9 Jesus says the Holy Spirit convicts those who don't believe in Him of their sins. God sees them as sinners. He does not see His children as sinners. We who believe in Jesus are convicted of our righteousness. When a child of God sins the Holy Spirit lets them know that as children of God they shouldn't have done what they did and/or what they are doing. He reminds us that we are Christlike. When we sin we grieve the Holy Spirit. We go to God in prayer for mercy, grace, and help. A sinner is guided only by his conscience. The conviction of righteousness serves the same purpose as conviction of sin. We just receive our conviction in a different light.
---Bob on 11/4/09

I agree, Bob. Certainly the unsaved can have no recognition of their need to repent until the Holy Spirit convicts them.

But Christians, too, need guidance from the Holy Spirit to identify and overcome sin. Christians, as they mature in their new life, should become more and more aware of their spiritual shortcomings under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit.
---Donna66 on 11/4/09

I agree with you when you say it speaks of the Holy Spirit that convicts all (including believers) of their sin, righteousness (because studying the Word should result in holiness and Christ-likeness) and of judgment because (for one, He restrains evil in the world currently) because the entire world will be judged. The only unpardonable sin is not believing in Christ. And of righteousness because Christ goes to Father and Holy Spirit Resides within, clothing us in Christ's Righteousness, for we have none of our own to boast of. Yay Jesus!
---Mike on 11/3/09

I also think you are slightly off base.

The HS convicts the world of three things, sin, righteousness, and judgment of sin.

The HS convicts the world of sin through the identification of sin. We know of sin by the Word of God and our conscience.

The HS convicts the world of righteousness by urging the world to be reconciled to the Father but first being cleansed of our sins. Jesus did this while He was here and now the HS does it.

The HS convicts the world of the judgment of sin by showing that the father of lies, the ruler of this world, has already been judged for his sins and that we will also be judged.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/3/09

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from what ihave read so far many are confused.jesus did not come to have power over satan and death,he already had it.jesus was sent by God to save us.we were unable to reconcile oueselves to God so jesus took ours sins,our death,our penalty,so we could become his righteousness through faith in him.
---tom2 on 11/3/09

The spirit of truth ,Illuminates the difference between sin and righteousness.The spirit may also be known as the spirit of conviction.
We live in a world of light,gray and darkness.
The spirit illuminates the light of a greater way-the right way and illuminates the potentials and possibilities of unrighteousness in the flesh we walk in whereas there is no gray.
---earl on 11/3/09

Well, I think you are way off base. Jesus came and He went was a necessarity, So He would have power over Satan and death. Satan, being the god of this world. The ones who refuses to believe, God's judgment is already upon, them and death awaits them. Yes it is! Those whom have believed has been convicted of their sins has been made right with God through His son's Blood, and has made us righteous....Note: Christ is stronger than Satan and I am so glad. You know He is. The fact that Jesus can save sinners in all of their rotten sins, and bring us out from among the dead. Your eyes open, your mind opens, your ears open....Now you are ALIVE.
---catherine on 11/3/09

He says the Holy Spirit will convict the *world* of sin and righteousness and judgement. It doesn't say "sins", but "sin". Sin involves not only wrong actions, but however we are not the way God wants us to be > God wants us to become "as He is . . . in this world" (1 John 4:17). So, it is sin, if we are not loving the way God wants. Real righteousness, then, involves how we can become in God's own love. In this love we discover what righteousness really is, plus we easily see how Satan and his fake loves are condemned, by not being in holy love's "incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is" so precious to God (1 Peter 3:4).
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/3/09

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Amen, Josef. The sin of the unbeliever is unbelief. The righteousness of the believer is Christ, whom the Holy Spirit testifies of.
---Linda on 11/3/09

In the presence of Jesus, sins comitted are aparent, no one can insulate themselves from the shame of sin. While the saved' sins are not counted against us, we still loathe sin. In John 1, Jesus is light, exposing sin in relation to the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ. The condemned will throw themselves into the pit! We saved, loathing our sins sought salvation and redemption. The day of judgment is the the most horrible day in history. Are we saved? Then avoid sin as much as possible! Ezekiel 20:43, Psalm 130:3,4, John 1, Rev. 20:1-15 (thow themselves into the pit in light of the righteousness of God)
---Russ on 11/3/09

"it appears that the Holy Spirit convicts the unsaved who do not believe in Jesus of their sins [of rejecting His salvation] and convicts the saved who believe in Jesus of their righteousness [in Him, as His righteousness is both imputed and imparted]" Amen.
---joseph on 11/3/09

"And when he is come, he will reprove the world..."
That means everyone in the world, even you Bob who are still in the world.
---Nana on 11/2/09

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the holy spirit convicts the repentent heart,the decision to believe is a choice,and every christian should know they have no righteousness apart of jesus.
---tom2 on 11/2/09

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