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If Abortions Were Illegal

If women were prohibited from legally obtaining abortions, do you believe they would stop getting them? Or, do you believe that women would obtain abortions from "underground" doctors/clinics, or perhaps even travel elsewhere for the procedure where abortion is legal?

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What are your questions? A lot of the things I write never get posted. When they will not post what I write I just leave. And my memory is not very good, I have to stay with something
very close. I am spread out all over the internet, jumping from one site to the other answering and debating all over the world. It is personal with you not with me. I could care less if I win a debate I am only speaking for God.
---exzucuh on 11/30/09

Athiest, my answer was to show that the definition of murder does not change. What the punisment should be to all who are involve can be done by those who bring judgment. Judges. I am not here to sentence them. If I was on the jury of one then it would be a different story. Of which I will be tomorrow on a case. Laws can be done by those who set the laws, and punisments can be what our legal system decides. Even today, murder is not called murder all the time. In some cases it is premeditated, other times accidental, second degree and so on. Everyone should be held accountable. The infant cries for our help. No one is there to help him/her. Such a corrupt world we live in.
---MarkV. on 11/30/09

AlwaysOn....what a question to ask!

Here's what I believe: If a woman has a close relationship with Jesus, God the Father and Holy Spirit, then she would be convicted in her heart not to have an abortion.

Thou Shall NOT Kill is a command, not a choice, amen?

However, on the other hand, if a woman doesn't know the Lord, what would stop her from having the abortion whether it is legal or illegal? If she wants it, she'll go to any extreme to get it. Sad, but true.
---Donna on 11/30/09

Exz ... You have not "overlooked" me.

I asked seven questions on the Mount Hood blog, which you ignored. I asked them again below and you told me you had answered already , which was untrue, and then refused to answer.

Will you now answer?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/09


Do you read the Bible? Or only the parts that you find useful? You seem to be able to remember the sotry of Lot in regard to Sarah being turned to a pillar of salt.

But you forget the malleable 'god' Abraham negotiated with to save his sons, and Lot's sad act of offering up his daughter to a sad lot of perverts to do as they would, AND the incest that occurred between drunken Lot and has conspiring daughters that wanted to get pregnant by their father. Where is the moral lesson in that?
---atheist on 11/30/09


Fine. I'll go with your premise. Abortion is murder.

Now it up to you to enumerate the punishments given the various circumstances underwhich these murders occur.

Would you execute a 14 year old victim of incestual rape, and her doctor and anyone else who aided in this murder?

This does happen. It's a real world problem. Step up and describe the approriate punishment. Execution. Life in prison. Twenty years. Junvenile prison until 21.

What's your reasoning for this punishment?

A blood curdling description is not needed here but a reasoned punishment.
---atheist on 11/30/09

-alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/09 What do you want to know little child? I thought I answered your question, For give me for over looking you.
---Exzucuh on 11/30/09

---atheist on 11/29/09 Lott was saved because he obeyed God to get out of Sodom, he believed the word of the Lord given to him by the Angels. He by faith pleased God when he obeyed and was not destroyed even though his soul was vexed from living with sodomites. His wife did not believe and looked back, she backslid, went back in her heart and turned to a piller
of salt, just like all the sodomites. Every time you shake that salt you can see how God can turn something worthless into something useful and tasty. You better come out of atheism while you still have the chance.
---Exzucuh on 11/30/09

Exz ... None of that answers any of my questions.

Howwever, I don't agree with Cliff when he says "you'll settle down and answer my question. (I'm thinking you can't) If you don't answer We'll all know you cant!"

I think you can, but won't, because you know your answer if honest would betray your earlier statements as incorrect
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/09

Athiest, the taking of a life is murder. In abortion they don't call it murder. They call it abortion. But no matter how you define it, it is the taking of a life. A life that cannot defend itself. A life that did not ask to be here. The taking of this life's has gone so far as to the practice of sucking the brains out of the infant before the mom has him. They pull the head out, crush the skull and suck the brains out. They want to make sure the baby is still in the mother so that it won't be called murder. I have seen the videos.
People get angry when someone kills dogs, and protest, and they go out of the way to save whales, but the infant gets death, and no one wants to take responsibility.
---MarkV. on 11/30/09


Well its probably because Abraham negoitiated with 'god' to save Lot, Abraham's son life. But, Lot didn't seem to be much better than the rest of the crew in Sodom:

He offered up his virgin daugthers to be raped rather than fight.


He got so drunk on two successive nights that he got both his virgin daugther pregnant.

Incestual drunken my.
---atheist on 11/29/09

Exzucuh, Now maybe after that little spew of psychobabble ,you'll settle down and answer my question. (I'm thinking you can't) If you don't answer We'll all know you cant!
---1st_cliff on 11/29/09

---Trish9863 on 11/29/09 The democratic party supports Gays, Why do you think God removed Lott from Sodom? He destroyed the people that agreed with sodomy right along with the ones that were committing the sin. Why do you think God says come out and be separate and touch not the unclean thing? You are the temple of the Holy Ghost and if you defile that temple by joining with darkness he will destroy you.
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09

---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09 Jesus is going to crush the governments of the world.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

If you can't stand the fact that he will do it why do you follow him? Are you for the world or Christ?
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09

---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09 God will always help his Church, but what you call his church and what he calls his church may not be the same. But he will not spare any nation even one that his church is in, that is making war against him. Read Jeremiah, and you will know the fate of those that think they are right with God but have been deceived by Government and a False religion. He will raise up an Nebuchadnezzar and they will have to surrender to him to be saved and those that fight God will give them over to be killed there will be no escape.
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09

Exzucuh, **God loved the world so much that he killed His own Son**
You said it, now back it! (not your own idea of what this "world" was)
---1st_cliff on 11/29/09

I did not say it God did!

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 10:17-18 (NO MAN) taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,

No man took Jesus Life, God used the Law to kill Jesus. Adam ate of the fruit of the Law
And the letter Killeth. So Jesus lay down his life to save Adam. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the Law.
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09

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Ralph, thank you for your reply. The perpetual question of rape and pregnancy comes up, because it happens in real life and we can't ignore it when discussing the issue. In fact, at the time of this blog, there's a question here on Christianet about a 14 year old who became pregnant by her father. Though she opted to have her child, often those who have been sexually victimized would rather not. I was interested in your take on how this should be dealt with.

Exzucuh, thanks for your partial reply too. Can you continue with the rest of the questions? Would Messiah press for the penalty you quoted to be given? And what about exceptions for pregnancies via rape/incest?
---AlwaysOn on 11/29/09

Generally, legalizing something increases its' use, and criminalizing it the reverse. Programs that help new mothers cope, a useful system of adoption, a change to a society that abhors abortion, and discourages fornication, would help. But people would have to except laws that would penalize those who participate in 'non therapeutic' abortions. The answer - submit to the Lord. Psalm 82:3-4, Proverb 24:11-12, 31:8-9, Isaiah 5:20-21.
p.s. Trish9863: perhaps, Exzucuh was making a heavy handed joke about Democrats and their 'liberal' beliefs, rather than saying that they're poofs. And assuming gay doesn't mean joyful.
---Glenn on 11/29/09

Of course there's an issue.

It's the one you pretend isn't there:

"That you can't come up with punishments for any crime related to abortion. You and no one else."

This is not some silly non-sensical exercise that you argue about abstractly based on your particular and peculiar interpretation of what you believe is 'god's word'.

Calling something murder or a crime means that you believe people should be punished for that crime. Not imaginary people---real people. So step up, list the crimes, and the punishments you think are appropriate for real people, not people you don't know you call murderers.
---atheist on 11/29/09

AlwaysOn, 11/29: Regarding your questions, I can narrow them down to two scenerio possibilities. 1. Choose to look at the situations from man's point(s) of view & act accordingly or 2. Choose to respond to the given situations from God's biblical perspective.

I choose "2" & stand on my prior comments (11/29) as pertain to your earlier questions. Where do you stand?
---Leon on 11/29/09

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Can anyone who uses the statement that 'abortion is murder', come up with rational punishments for the 'crime' of abortion given the multitude of situations underwhich abortions are performed?

You can't call it criminal, a crime, murder, or say there should be criminal punishment and just leave it at that.

Taking that position gives you what you pretend to be the moral high ground but gives you no responsiblity.

Take responsiblity: Should a raped 14 your old year be forced to bear the child? If she has an abortion should she, her parents, and the doctor be sent to prison or perhaps executed?

If abortion is murder, then abortion is murder. Or do you have execeptions?
---atheist on 11/29/09

A theist: First, yes you are wrong as usual. Second, I didn't realize there was an issue to be resolved. What is the issue? Third, I would only charge you as compensation for my time spent indulging your nonsense. Otherwise, my services are free of charge. Starting to get bored.

AlwaysOn, I don't believe the Messiah would lead a campaign to criminalize abortion. I come to this conclusion because we read nothing of Him getting involved with civil laws and government.
Why does this perpetual scenario of a young girl becoming pregnant through rape or incest always come up? Does killing the baby fix everything? If she were raped and threatened suicide if she didn't get to take heroine, would you give her heroine?
---ralph7477 on 11/29/09

---AlwaysOn on 11/29/09 Jesus did not have to because his Father has aready made those laws.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09

exzucuh: You claim to post with the mind of Christ? On another thread, you accused NurseRobert of being gay, and equated being a Democrat with being gay. Since I am a Democrat, I am going to assume you think I am gay as well. I happen to be straight, so you lie when you equate gays and Democrats. I don't think the mind of Christ can lie. Therefore, you do not spread the mind of Christ on lie. Lies are of Satan.
---Trish9863 on 11/29/09

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Alan, I wouldn't be too concerned regarding Exzucuh and his postings. If you spend time on his site, you will see he just repeats the same old tired arguments, half truths and innuendos that rightwingers have been throwing at Obama since he started running for office.

He claims to "make points" and "does not give opinions", but there are no facts to back up what he says. He distorts what was said and takes things out of context, and then, when you disagree with him, you are "hating" and "persecuting" him.

I'm sure when he speaks of the gospel, he has many great and powerful things to say, but when he repeats half truths and innuendo he diminishes his credibility.
---NurseRobert on 11/29/09

Exzucuh, **God loved the world so much that he killed His own Son**
Maybe now you will give us a little treatise on this "world" that God loved,and we can all stand in AWE of your "insight"!
Make it brief but scriptural!
You said it, now back it! (not your own idea of what this "world" was)
---1st_cliff on 11/29/09


"We" is all of us Ralph!

Clearly from your tone you believe you have the wisdom to resolve this issue.

I am surprise that you are asking for money! If laws that could be passed which would criminalize and stop most abortions I would think you would help in their creation for free.

So can we have just a few examples of "criminal penalties" for specfic situations,---just to get us started. I don't think you mean that everyone having anything to do with an abortion should be executed, or am I wrong?
---atheist on 11/29/09

Exz ... I am not playing an ego game. That is yours.

Why cannot you answer these questions? I select just three.

Others know you have not answered them, either here or on your own website. Neither does the Bible answer them.

"Please name one pro-Christ government in the whole world"

"In what way are our governments anti-Christ, rather than just ignoring Christ?"

"Are you suggesting that God will not help a people, just because of the mere government?"

If you are not prepared to answer these questions, we will know what the think.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09

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Exzucuh, Ralph7477, Rhonda, Leon and others in favor of a legal punishment for abortion: First, let me say that I appreciate your participation in the discussion and respect your positions. I am further interested in your replies to the questions posed earlier:

Do you believe the Messiah would lead a campaign for laws to criminalize abortion? If so, what punishment do you think He'd propose for women and others involved?

Also, if abortion were illegal, should an exception be made for girls and women who become pregnant via rape or incest? For example, if a 12 y.o. girl is abducted, raped, becomes pregnant and, after being rescued, threatens to kill herself if not allowed an abortion, how should this be handled?
---AlwaysOn on 11/29/09

Ralph ... "But then again, a guy who imagines a scenario where a woman is 3 weeks pregnant despite her husband being in a coma and on life support obviously has cognitive issues"

Why so?

It is quite possible ... indeed he might be dead. It is possible to have inseminated someone shortly before a severe accident.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09

---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09 No! I do not have to to keep repeating myself over and over,
I make the point, I do not give opinions, I give you what God thinks about the issue. You may be playing an ego game of who is right and who is wrong, but I am not, I could care less
of what you think of what I say. This is not the only place I comment, It is my ministry to
cover the internet with the mind of Christ, so when people are Judged by Christ they have had the opportunity to repent of their Antichrist mind.
---exzucuh on 11/29/09

A theist, who is the "we" you refer to? You got a group there with you? You aren't looking for wisdom, but I'll play along till I get bored.

Evidently, you are looking for me to craft a piece of legislation for you to read. Send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope along with $300 for my time and I will do that for you. In a nutshell, the woman, doctor, and anybody materially involved in committing the crime would face criminal penalties, as is the case now for most illegal acts. What's so difficult to understand?

But then again, a guy who imagines a scenario where a woman is 3 weeks pregnant despite her husband being in a coma and on life support obviously has cognitive issues.
---ralph7477 on 11/29/09

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Regardless of being legal or illegal, abortion is murder & as such is SIN in the sight of God, & will not go unpunished. Unredeemed sinners won't escape God's wrath.

The only thing that'll ultimately end sin forever is Divine intervention. There's nothing man can do to stop women from aborting (KILLING) their babies if they so choose to. It will take a final act of God to stop willful sinners from sinning. That's what the Bible teaches.
---Leon on 11/29/09

Exz ... You made the statements here.

You should explain & justify them here.

Otherwise we have to assume you do not wish or are unable to have a dialogue with us
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09 take no responsibility for anything. You can sin all you want and feel nothing for someone else

Wow typical self professing pious "christian" so much ignorance of Gods Holy Word and pure hatred for those not within their BRAND of christianity ...

when mothers or family members in 3rd world countries other religions loose their children or people they love to disease war tragedy senseless crimes etc and they cry out in anguish you are TAUGHT by false ministers they "feel nothing"

believing only "christians" feel have love or empathy is from cults

NOTHING in Gods Holy Word describes your idea of "love" christian or otherwise
---Rhonda on 11/28/09


Yes. The 'devil' is in the details.

It's an easy to blanket over a complex, emotional, and moral question with a simple, "It's murder." Real situations occur everyday that the choice is morally confusing to anyone. A woman, of thirty, raped, husband just killed in Iraq, with three young children, little or no income other than what the government is providing---what should she do? A mother of five who will likely die, with the child, if she tries to carry the baby to term?

Anyone simplfying this is not taking a moral position, but just hiding behind belief to avoid the decision of incomprehensilbe moral pain for himself.

Mark, list the punishments if you are so morally wise and certain...
---atheist on 11/28/09

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'jail time'

How long and under what circumstances? Is it the same for a healthy woman at 7 months who just doesn't want the baby, as it is for a woman of 3 weeks, four other children and a husband on life support and in a coma? How about the doctors in each case. If this is murder you can't trivialize the punishment with some vague reference to jail time.

These are hard situations, maybe a point system to determine the degree of punishment. Punishment going from execution to time served for the more understandable 'murders'.

Shouldn't doctors and nurses at least lose their licenses? Hospitals be closed?

We need your wisdom, a long answer not a short one.
---atheist on 11/28/09

If the "ones" presently in the womb aren't "here" then where are they? Of course they are here, otherwise there would be no need to get rid of them through abortion. The fact that they might be "unwanted" by the mother or others is irrelevant. God saw fit to create them and there are plenty of people who would want them.

How can it be said that the issue of hunger is not being addressed? There are multitudes of hunger relief agencies, charities, organizations, even government programs. Not sure how killing off new people solves problems. One of those individuals aborted 30 years ago could have invented a nutritional breakthrough, or cured a disease, or fed a hungry child today.
---ralph7477 on 11/28/09

Go to my sites you can find them all. The explanations you want are in my videos and my
writings just type my name exzucuh in your search on your browser all your questions will be answered there.
---exzucuh on 11/28/09

NurseRoberts I operate in the love of God not the love of the flesh. God so loved the world he killed his own Son. And that is the same love that I operate in. I am willing to be killed for the sake of the Gospel. I do not care if you like me or if I offend you. I will tell you the truth and reveal your carnality and false doctrine, and your hate for me or persecution does not affect me in the least because I have peace that comes from Jesus.
A lot of Christians make the mistake of thinking that carnal love is the Love of God.
They are destroyed by their mistake and they destroy others by compromising with evil and
justifying sin.
---exzucuh on 11/28/09

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Exz ... The Mount Hood questions were not intended to trap you. Perhaps you can answer them here?

And just what cover ups are these?

And when did he admit the constitution was flawed?

What is a country ... the government or the people? When has any government been the country? My country consists of 70m people, the government is about 450 at the most

Please name one pro-Christ government in the whole world

In what way are our governments anti-Christ, rather than just ignoring Christ?

Are you suggesting that God will not help a people, just because of the mere government?

How is he "punishing" members of the miltary?

What is wrong with admitting the constitution is flawed?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/28/09

Athiest, I do stand up against abortion. There is just too many of you out there who believe the life of the baby is worthless and vote for it. You said to me,
"Saying all must 'take responsiblity' is pure cope out."
Since you are not a child of God, you take no responsibility for anything. You can sin all you want and feel nothing for someone else, since to you there is no God that you have to face. But one day you will find how wrong you are. If you were a Christian you would take some responsibility. You also say,
"Screaming bloody murder does nothing. A rational person would not agree to such a thing." You mean an unbeliever would not agree to such a thing.
---MarkV. on 11/28/09

This is a two sided coin,you fight so hard to bring these unwanted children into the world only to see 30,000 die each and every day of hunger related causes,where's your "equal" zeal to end this tragedy???
These kids are already alive , Now what???
Let's end this problem before we tackle the next! Putting the cart before the horse is poor planning!
Concentrate on saving the ones that are already here!
---1st_cliff on 11/28/09

abortion will remain legal in America unless the laws are changed to charge the hit-men/abortionists with murder and the mothers and fathers for murder-for-hire

sort of ironic society has become so double-minded in all its ways

BILLIONS of dollars spent every year for healthcare industry to keep pre-mature babies alive - who would otherwise die without medical intervention to keep them alive with technical devices until they can sustain life on their own

and out the other side of societies proverbial mouth ...abortion is not murder because the fetus cannot survive on its own
---Rhonda on 11/27/09

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You asked me a question but I see it was only the work of Satan to try to discredit me.
---exzucuh on 11/27/09

Touchy too...

You discredit yourself. Where is your love?
(1 Cor 13).
---NurseRobert on 11/27/09

if a spouse or child murders their family member by hiring a person who will murder for pay (aka hit-man) ...the hit-man if caught & found guilty goes to jail along with the family member ...income for hit-man and usually family member typically collecting insurance money

abortion is exactly the same scenario in reverse - it's a business ...mother hires a hit-man (aka abortionist) because she or sperm donor decided they did not want COST of raising a child (save money) and income for abortionist

abortion is birth control for irresponsible people - no different than seeing a doctor for plastic surgery or any other ELECTIVE medical procedure ...only difference is how society glosses over killing of another human being
---Rhonda on 11/27/09

"What's the punishment?"

Jail time of course. If the liberal Democrats have no problem prescribing jail time for people who don't purchase an insurance policy, then certainly you can't start with anything less severe for someone who partakes in willfully taking the life of another.
---ralph7477 on 11/27/09

You asked me a question but I see it was only the work of Satan to try to discredit me. It is amazing how you can judge some one from words on paper without seeing how they really are in the flesh. Enjoy yourself in your foolish endeavor. You do not bother me in the least, you sound a lot like the atheist and the gays that try the same tactics against me .
---exzucuh on 11/27/09

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Now that the conversation has shifted to that of punishment as a (possible) deterrent to obtaining illegal abortions, I'd like to delve a little deeper. First, would our Messiah lead an effort to enact government laws making abortion illegal? And, if abortion were illegal, what kind of punishment do you think He'd favor for women who broke these laws to have abortions?

Finally, if obtaining an abortion were illegal should girls and women who become pregnant via rape or incest be granted the right to obtain an abortion? For example, if a 12 y.o. girl is abducted and raped and, after being rescued, she threatens to kill herself if not allowed an abortion. What then?
---AlwaysOn on 11/27/09

There is only one Exzucuh on the internet and thats me Exzucuh Thomas Williams, Lion of Judah
Ministry, Internet evangelist, Reaching the lost and the rebellious Church, revealing the Antichrist, And the judgment of God upon the World in this last Day.
---exzucuh on 11/27/09

And so very humble too.. What an excellent Christian example.
---NurseRobert on 11/27/09

Going to other places, most definetly.
---amand6348 on 11/27/09


Okay. Define the punishments. Again, making something illegal means nothing, you've got to have punishment. What's the punishment?
---atheist on 11/27/09

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There is only one Exzucuh on the internet and thats me Exzucuh Thomas Williams, Lion of Judah
Ministry, Internet evangelist, Reaching the lost and the rebellious Church, revealing the Antichrist, And the judgment of God upon the World in this last Day.
---exzucuh on 11/27/09


I have a simple premise: If abortion is murder then all participates should be arrested, tried in a court of law, and if found guilty, punished.

If the law does not exist to do so now, then pass legislation that clearly defines the crime and the punishment relative to the crime of 'murder'.

Saying all must 'take responsiblity' is pure cope out. If you believe that abortion is murder then stand up and get legisation passed that says that women who have abortions should be tried and possibly executed for murder, along with their doctors and nurses. Charge anyone helping in any way as an accessory to murder.

Screaming bloody murder does nothing. A rational person would not agree to such a thing.
---atheist on 11/27/09

Of course making abortions illegal would not stop abortions from ever happening. Laws are not self enforcing.

Changing the hearts of everybody is fine in a fantasy world. Why can't you work on changing hearts and at the same time make the act illegal?

Laws are a reflection of a society and what the citizens consider to be acceptable ways to conduct themselves. When abortion is lawful and promoted as an acceptable alternative, the implication to people is that there is nothing wrong with it. The undeniable fact is that it is an evil practice, yet there are even "christians" who promote it by working to keep it legal.
---ralph7477 on 11/27/09

Exzucuh, I'm afraid Lamech is not my role model,thank you!
Put things in perspective IE
30,000 children died today from hunger and malnutrition,the same number died yesterday and EVERY you hear the same hue and cry from all all the anti-abortionists for this deplorable situation.
Worrying about the unborn when those that are here are dying!
I do not approve of abortion, but bringing children into the world to starve to death??
Something wrong with this picture!!
BTW How is God manifesting concern about this????
---1st_cliff on 11/27/09

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Change hearts!!!
--bubba on 11/27/09

Exactly. People can scream murder, pass laws, throw people in jail, but it doesn't change the mindset.

Until you change the heart of people, all the laws in the land will not stop abortions.
---NurseRobert on 11/27/09

Everyone connected to the abortion should be held responsible for the murder. Doctors and even people who help should be held responsible. The murder of a infant is a murder. You cannot change murder to mean anything else. We know if it was not legal, many woman could possibly get hurt going to some places, but that comes with the responsibility of having created that child and the woman making a choice where to go. The baby is not to blame, and it has a life. If the baby is in the womb, it is still a baby, with a life. If they suck the brains out with a vacumm it is still murder. Millions have been murdered. They had no one to help them, no one to protect them, no one to stand on their behalf.
---MarkV. on 11/27/09

exzucuh, are you the same exzucuh on youtube and has his own dot com site?
---NurseRobert on 11/27/09

Change hearts!!! Use violent words,such as MURDERER/BABYKILLER and you are pushing the lost away from the light and endangering the innocent. Not only is that rhetoric so lame,but Blood will be on your hands.

Earthly laws?? - Who cares?Get busy changing hearts - for God's sake. If minds can be changed to recycle cans and bottles, we certainly can make a world where it doesn't even enter one's mind to abort a child.As a kid,cans went out the car window.Now we (esp my kids) never put cans in the trash.Go back to pre-Rowe and I think woman will die,mainly the poor while the rich churchgoers will send their daughters to Canada. But we should surely be able to convince folks that saving lives is more important than saving cans.
---bubba on 11/27/09

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Exz ... "The curse on the weather and the economy would cease and the blessing that was once on America would return. We would begin to win over our enemies and not be a laughing stock to the world."


1 ... America is not the only nation in the world!! These curses affect the whole world, including those where abortion is forbidden.

2 ... Is abortion the only sin that would bring curses on the world or on a nation?

3 ... America's enemies include those whose record on murder torture and abortion is worse even than America's
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/27/09

1st cliff, There is no "superstition" inexzucuh's(if I spelled this name wrong, please forgive me) answer, and I don't think the answer was based solely on abortion. It would be accurate to say that because we in America have turned our backs on God, for the most part, we are suffering consequences to that choice. Abortion is just one of many issues where we stand in rebellion to the command ments of God.
---tommy3007 on 11/27/09

1stCliff are you making yourself to be God? because God has the right to Judge and kill . Man is bound by the Law and Gods covenant. You have the mentality of Lamech who said if Cain got by with murder once and received protection then I will kill seven and it will be multiplied to me.Genesis 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold. This mentality of evil continuously in mens hearts Got them destroyed off the face of the earth.
---exzucuh on 11/27/09

Exzucuh, Very much so, but I don't have my head buried in the sand!
---1st_cliff on 11/26/09

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---1st_cliff on 11/26/09
Are you a christian?
---exzucuh on 11/26/09

before rowe versus wade thats what women did,because it was illegal to have an abortion in the usa.and if it were illegal again ,just as with any other issue that is illegal some would break the law because they believe they have the right to,and some because they emotionally want to,or financially,or for other reasons which they have justified in their minds.
---tom2 on 11/26/09

Exzucuh, You got a whole lot of " superstition" in your post!
The weather, economy and political system???
All hinging on abortion???
I think this issue is blown way out of proportion!
I believe it's wrong to use abortion as a form of birth control, but there are situations that arise when there's no rational alternative!
Does God regard babies lives any different than adults??
He killed all the 1st born in Egypt,drowned thousands in the flood,burned many in Sodom and Gomorrah. How sacred were their lives???
---1st_cliff on 11/26/09

The fact that women would stop murdering their babies is not the issue. People still kill people and do not fear God's punishment. The law against abortion would stop the curse that God has placed upon America for the shedding of innocent blood. The curse would be upon individuals and not the nation as a whole.The curse on the weather and the economy would cease and the blessing that was once on America would return. We would begin to win over our enemies and not be a laughing stock to the world. We would no longer be given over to evil politicians so they can persecute us and fulfill God's curse.
---exzucuh on 11/26/09

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"If women were prohibited from legally obtaining abortions, do you believe they would stop getting them?"
Yes. If they were made to consider the biblical punishment for such an act, which is of course murder, with the punishment of death.
"Or, do you believe that women would obtain abortions from "underground" doctors/clinics,"
If that punishment were to be administered to all involved, both the source and choice would cease to exist.
"perhaps even travel elsewhere for the procedure where abortion is legal?"
If that option was available, that is exactly what would happen, at least for those who could afford the expense, and was willing to trust that they would remain anonymous.
---josef on 11/26/09

I think there would be significantly less abortions if it were illegal. There would be a smaller portion of the population who would seek out the procedure from illegal sources but the number of abortions per year would decrease greatly. Not everyone who would rather not have a baby would want to break the law or risk being injured by the illegal clinics/butchers.
---jody on 11/25/09

Darlene, I absolutely agree with your statement. By no means am I saying that abortion is the right decision to make, but nonetheless, it is one. And just because it may not be the right decision for me, doesn't mean it isn't for someone else. Women will always find a way if they are desperate enough and going to doctors who are untrained and have no idea what is going on, makes it not only more dangerous (and potentially fatal) for the woman, but also alot more pain is caused on the baby if she is far enough along in the pregnancy.
---Laura on 11/25/09


It would seem to follow logically if the man knew about the abortion, did not try to stop it, or helped with it.

As far as the act, if you carry it back to that point, then it would follow that it would be a crime to perform a sexual act that might, (as in not on purpose) result in a conception, and the father did not provide for the well being of the child until adulthood, if not married.

If a married man got a single woman pregnant and paid for the abortion, would the man too, along with the doctors and nurses, be tried for the crime. And what would the punishment be for each?

If abortion is murder, then these questions must be answered for the crime so that proper punishment could be meted out.
---atheist on 11/25/09

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What does God feel? Care how God feels. Consider how He is able to take care of you and your baby. You can learn how to love, together, with your child.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/25/09

Would there also be a punishment for the man who put the woman in the way of need the abortion?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/09

Saying something is illegal is meaningless, unless there's a punishment associated with what is illegal.

So it would all depend on the severity of the punishment. If there is no punishment, then nothing would change.

Since women cannot give themselves abortions, then the punishment list must include all those who assist, including doctors, nurses, and whoever drove the woman to and from the place that the abortion took place.

So the more important question is, "What is the punishment?" If you are not willing to answer that question, then you can't ask if abortions should be outlawed.
---atheist on 11/25/09

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