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Cliff, Jerry is correct, what motive lies beside the rejection of 24hr days?

Others hold views akin to yours and each has admitted, in one way or another, they hold such view, because of long-age evolutionary beliefs.

Why would God confuse the issue by saying-work 6 days, rest the 7th "For (because) in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, .....,but he rested on the seventh day," if the days were not of equal length. He could simply have said work 6 days, rest the 7th, period.

Further read Numbers 7: 12-42 where it talks of "the first day, the second day, the third day up to the sixth day. Please tell me how long these days are, and why?
---Warwick on 1/31/10

Warwick: One cannot help but wonder what motive must be behind the insistence that creation was anything but six litteral, common days. As you point out, the language of the scriptures gives no hint whatsoever of an alternate meaning. In fact, it would appear that God was being intentionally deceptive if indeed He took thousands, millions, or billions of years, when in fact He clearly states "in six days." It might be that those who insist on such interpretations do so to make room for alternative, atheistic, darwinist belief systems. Or perhaps they just believe in a deceptive god. Who knows?
---jerry6593 on 1/30/10

Warwick,The 7th day obviously began because it says "on the 7th day He rested".
There's absolutely no contradiction in saying "for in 6 days God made heaven and earth..and rested on the 7th" each being "time periods" of equal length and the 7 time periods of one week!
How else could He demonstrate by His people on a short basis what He did in the long term? Demonstrating ,on a weekly basis what he did in 42thousand years was no less than "brilliant"! Penalties imposed guaranteed it's perpetuation!Get it?
---1st_cliff on 1/30/10

Cliff if 'evening and morning' signify the beginning and ending of a time-period then their absence must mean the time period never even began!

Consider Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day.... Six days you shall labor...,but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work,...For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, .....,but he rested on the seventh day.

God obviously thinks He created in 6 24hr days, and rested the 7th. To paraphrase Exodus 20:8-11 You are to word six days and rest the 7th day (obviously 24hrs) because I created in 6 days and rested the 7th.

Neither Scripture, grammar or logic allows any other meaning.
---Warwick on 1/30/10

Warwick, You ask again,I'll tell you again.Gen 1 did not conclude the 7th day with "evening and morning" like the other 6!
Any period of time can have an evening and morning when it's used figuratively,simply meaning a beginning and an end.After all wasn't that what God is saying a "beginning and an end" to each creation day? What has evening and morning got to do with creation? Why was He using that phrase at all? He was separating each "day" with it's unique works.Do you not understand "type and anti type" The weekly sabbath was a picture of the 6 periods of creation and rest. Why you insist that they match in "hours" is beyond me!
---1st_cliff on 1/29/10

Cliff, again I ask "How does Genesis 1 show the sixth day never ended?"

God says "and there was evening and there was morning-the first day," and the second day and... He says evening and morning decribes a 24hr day. God's word is good enough for me but obviously not good enough for you.

You claim such a day is 7,000 years long. Can you show me by Scripture, grammar or logic that 7,000 years has an evening and a morning? Obviously not!
---Warwick on 1/29/10

Cliff you evade the obvious.

Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day.... Six days you shall labor..., but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work,...For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, ....., but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

The Lord God says He created "in six days", "rested the seventh day " so the Jews would work six days, rest the seventh. If "six days" does not equate to "six days" language has no meaning. However God is ultimate meaning, and does not make mistakes nor lie. That is man's domain!
---Warwick on 1/29/10

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day('echad yowm).
Numbers 11:19 Ye shall not eat one day('echad yowm), nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days,
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day(sheniy yowm).
Jos 6:14 And the second day(sheniy yowm) they compassed the city once, and returned into the camp: so they did six days.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day(sheliyshiy yowm).
Gen 42:18 And Joseph said unto them the third day(sheliyshiy yowm), This do, and live, [for] I fear God:
--sounds like ordinary days to me.
---MIchael on 1/28/10

Leon, If you pay attention to these blogs you'll notice that when a person cannot answer your your question, they will not be honorable enough to say so ,but go on to attack your person!
Like a smear campaign, hoping that enough insults will finally discourage you!
I never believed that this was Christian conduct. I can take a joke as well as anyone and give one too . Why not just answer a question?
---1st_cliff on 1/28/10

"A fool's lips enter into contention [a contest, strife], and his mouth calls for strokes [to be beaten with many stripes]. A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare [noose, trap] of his soul [mind]." Proverbs 18:6-7
---Leon on 1/28/10

Warwick, Problem with evening and morning being 24hr is this-Only one reference point is necessary.The exact moment one day ends the next begins,Mid East this point is sundown,here it's midnight! The fact god used 2 points is indicative of other than 24hr.
Why do you think the Jews had 2 Jubilee years? 49and 50?
49 was indicative of the end of 7 days of creation, 50 beginning of the Millenium!
Not one object has been created since Adam.
"Behold I create new heavens and new earth"means He will create again (with reference to earth) when His rest period ends.
---1st_cliff on 1/28/10

Warwick,Certainly a Pharisee can become a Christian ,but not at the same time remain a Pharisee.(many today's denominations have traits of paganism).
Today in the middle east the day begins at evening.(But does it end in the morning?) Gen.1.5.
God established the 7 day week with penalties for working on sabbath,52 weeks a year over and over demonstrating His 6 "days" of creation and 7th rest.Why do you insist that they (creation days) be 24hr.periods of time? Do you not have "insight?"According to scripture we are still in the 7th day!
---1st_cliff on 1/28/10

Cliff again "How does Genesis 1 show the sixth day never ended?"

Cliff as God says, there was evening and there was morning-the first day. God says a 24hr day is composed of evening (darkness) and morning (the light part). Nothing other than a 24hr day has an evening and a morning. Not a year, a decade or any number of thousands of years. The idea of 7,000 year creation days is ilogical and does not fit with any Scripture.
---Warwick on 1/28/10

Cliff, a Pharisee cannot become Christian?

Genesis 1,3-5 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day."

In the Middle-East, every 24hr day begins, likewise at evening, and ceases at the next evening. Too simple!

If 'evening and morning' is figurative the Sabbath command is figurative but execution awaited anyone who worked upon this 'day.' You claim 'day' was figurative but execution for working upon this figurative, unknowable 'day' was literal! How confused was that god!
---Warwick on 1/27/10

Since we do not have immortal souls any thing I bet on having one does not make sense. The soul can be killed destroyed by GOD. Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Those who teach the immortal soul say this is not true. It cannot be destroyed.

Now man each day is sustained in life by GOD. JESUS slept in the grave but not as a normal man. For He is both GOD and man.
---Samuel on 1/27/10

Who knows! I don't know where He was at!
---catherine on 1/27/10

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Leon, The difference between truth and your "theory"is this:
Why did God go to all the bother of a global flood to kill the population, or the fire of Sodom and Gomorrah,or killing of all Egyptian first born etc.. when (according to Leon) all He had to do was turn off the power????
No Leon it doesn't work like that. Only death stops man!
---1st_cliff on 1/26/10

Warwick, I'll put this in as simple terms as I can (even my young granddaughter understands)
Sit out on your porch in the evening, it goes from twilight to pitch dark,stay there and watch the sunrise, brilliant sunshine greets the day!
You have now witnessed what God is illustrating.A Creation day starts out dark, not clearly defined,when it is finished ,bright as the morning..voila another complete creative day that God pronounces "good"
(from evening to morning is actually overnight)literally! Check in a motel in the evening,you're out by 11 AM. they call that a "day"
---1st_cliff on 1/26/10

Warwick, Just as the Israelites had to have a King they could see,and God gave them one (to their detriment) The early Christian's Shepherd had gone and the comforter was invisible,influential Paul fit the bill as leader.Peter and all even today accept his leadership.So what you have now is a Christian/Pharisee miss match!
Paul,like a good Pharisee preaches "immortality of the soul" (absent from the body) the 1st great lie!
"Evening and morning" is figurative!
---1st_cliff on 1/26/10

He took the keys away from Satan and he preached to those who were bound and freed them from prison. lit.Gk: "That also Christ once involving sins suffered, the righteous for the sinuous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death truly in flesh, and made alive to the Spirit: with which he went and preached to them spirits in prison, which were disbelieving before when once waited the God of longsuffering in days of Noah preparing the ark, in being few, this being eight lives were saved by water." I Peter 3:18-20.
---Eloy on 1/26/10

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Cliff: Like I said, you're blind & I can't show you anything. Repent, really? You should want to do so for the sake of your immortal soul, not a foolish bet! That's what I mean about mental brownout.

Since you have the bible open in front of your face, if your eyes are open "tell me" where in the Bible it say after God blew life into Adam, man was on his own? That's the truth according to Cliff?

Exhale, take a deep breath, open your eyes before you reply. You did seem to come completely unglued bud. :)
---Leon on 1/26/10

Cliff I cannot imagine how you get such a view-7 thousand years for each creation day. Seven thousand years does not have an evening and a morning. Nothing but a 24hr day has!

Peter obviously accepted Paul's writings as Scripture. Peter was there and met Paul, neither you or I were.

What Biblical evidence can you supply to show Paul's writings were not Scripture, his wisdom not God given?

How does Genesis 1 show the sixth day never ended?

God does not need time to create. Time was created for us, the 6 days of creation, 7th rest, as a template, and obviously of the same length, as God's command that the Jews work 6 rest the 7th!
---Warwick on 1/26/10

Leon, OK, my bible is open right in front of my face,point out to me where it says "immortal soul".Do this and I'll repent in sackcloth and ashes--Deal???
God blew life into Adam and from then on man was on his own. He does not blow life into each child born, He does not even sustain get a fatal disease,you die! Death is no respecter of persons!
Sorry to unplug your cord,but that's the truth! I'm not your enemy,it's the guy behind you with the dark hood and scythe!
---1st_cliff on 1/25/10

So, what I've said still doesn't "compute" to you. :) Okay, so be it! I'm not here to convince anyone of anything they're not willing to accept. My "sole" -- :) -- purpose is to persuade, from Scripture, others to follow God's Bible truth. Only God can open our understanding/mind (files) & download His life applications (truth) to us. Peace Jerry!!!
---Leon on 1/25/10

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Your reasoning, as usual, is "batty" Cliff. :) In your darkened "mind" you've eliminated God (the ever present source of power) from the process of life.

"...not in the bible!" So you say even though the Bible facts of the matter are right in your face. You blindly choose to sit in darkness by refusing to see & believe the truth.

You have a serious "electrical"/mind/soul problem -- a mental brownout caused by sin. Let God re-set your short-circuited soul & restore power to needed areas in your "house". But, you must call on Him to do so. God can restore anyone to his/her "right mind" when He's genuinely called upon.
---Leon on 1/25/10

Warwick, Personally I believe the world to be about 48 thousand plus, 7 thousand for each creative day.Why? We're 6thousand pus into the 7th day(which never ended in Gen.1.) Each "day'(period of time) sufficient to accomplish the vast amount of creation for that particular "day"! God was in no hurry!7 days of the week demonstrated by Israel (work 6 rest 1) was a model of the big picture!
Jesus selected Paul? Who are your witnesses? Those with him did not hear the conversation!
---1st_cliff on 1/25/10

Cliff, maybe I do have you confused with another however I feel confident you do not believe our earth is aged in the thousands of years, as Scripture says. It appears you trust very little in Scripture so it would be in character for you to believe in the millions of years. However you can instantly clear this us. How old do you believe the earth is?

You wrote 'Anything contrary to your belief is "worldly thinking"' Wrong. Anything contrary to Scripture is worldly thinking.

Of course I cite Paul. Why shouldn't I? Jesus selected Him and Peter accepted his writings as Scripture, his wisdom God given- 2 Peter 3:16. It is irrelevant that he was a Pharisee.
---Warwick on 1/24/10

Leon: No worries about poking a little fun. I've got thick skin. I got a chuckle out of your word play on "sole."

You continue to confuse "soul" with "mind." They are not equivalent. The soul is the person in his entirety - a combination of body, mind and spark of life, life force, or breath of life - whichever you prefer.

I think you are on to a great illusrtation with the computer. The hardware is the body, the mind is the software, the breath of life is the electricity, and the soul is the running application. If the computer is run over by a semi truck, the soul ceases, but don't worry, God has a backup copy.
---jerry6593 on 1/25/10

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Leon,Few flaws with your illustration!
#1 The E would have to be battery powered,since our mind/brain functions from inside, when the house collapses the battery dies!
#2 Man was originally "powered up" by God's spirit,but from then on man functioned on his own for as long as his battery holds up!
BTW you mentioned "immortal soul" did you get that from Reader's Digest"? because it's not in the bible!
---1st_cliff on 1/24/10

Jerry!!! :D If a brain isn't functioning efficiently, it doesn't mean the mind/soul isn't.

Let's say the brain is a house (H) & the mind/soul is electricity (E) powering the circuits/synapses in the H. When the E is cut off to a certain part of the H, due to defective circuitry in the H, that doesn't mean there's a problem with the E power.

Let's say the H is very old, its foundation has shifted & it has a terminal case of termites. Eventually it falls apart (dies). Does the E power die also? No! It's re-routed out of, no longer operates in, departs the H!

The E power is still alive outside of the H, but the H is dead without the E. See?! :)
---Leon on 1/24/10

"If the mind is separable from the body, why must it wait until you die to leave?" Jerry, 1/23

In your case it just may have left already. Just kidding Jer' -- just having a little fun pal! :D Seriously, there are reports of people having had "out of body experiences" & that seems Bible plausible to me.

The "sole" purpose of the mind/soul/breath of life is to power up & keep the body running (alive). See Gen. 2:7. God want us to LIVE...

No mind/soul in the body equals no life. Our physical bodies (because of Adam's sin) are death doomed (mortal) & our "immortal souls" must therefore depart our body upon the "death of the body".
---Leon on 1/24/10

Leon: "The mind isn't dependent upon the brain for existence."

Wrong! The mind, character and personality are totally dependent on the physical synapses of the brain and the electrical signals they transmit for their very existence. Thousands of brain disease, injury and surgery cases attest to the mind altering effects of brain damage. The personalities of all lobotomy patients were permanently altered by brain surgery. If the brain didn't matter, why were the minds of these patients altered?

If the mind is separable from the body, why must it wait until you die to leave?
---jerry6593 on 1/23/10

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Warwick,You confuse me with others.None of my posts have suggested that the world is millions of years old!
*You accept ..what agrees.. reject ..which doesn't* (describes you as well) Anything contrary to your belief is "worldly thinking"
Jesus regarded the OT as truth,so do I!
Warwick,"The bible says.." then you cite Paul, why? Jesus did not accept Pharisee thinking, why do you???
Act.23.6. "I AM a Pharisee ,Son of a Pharisee" Your own bible!
---1st_cliff on 1/22/10

Cliff from my long-term experience of your writings I am convinced you come to Scripture with your mind already made up. You accept that which agrees with your views and reject anything which disagrees.

The Bible says it is His inspired word for us and nowhere says He gives us the right to reinterpret it through human traditions or worldly thinking (Colossians 2:8). Only the opposite. I see how Jesus and the apostles regarded the OT, for example, and it was always as revealed historical truth.

For example Jesus said man was made 'at the beginning of creation,' not billions of years after its beginning, but you cannot believe that because of your nonBiblical views.
---Warwick on 1/22/10

Leon, you did a great job in answering. And you are correct, if they don't see it clear maybe one day they will. What they need is light to those words of God.
---MarkV. on 1/22/10

Wrong again Warwick, I do not set my "opinions" above God's word!
Only above those who imagine that they are "inspired"
If I say "God inspired me" you're gonna believe me ,right?? (there'll be 2 moons in the sky that day)
Give it some antiquity,include 13 of my writings in with the OT and "bang" I'm inspired!
How can you judge anything without "examining it"???
Like Johnnie Cochran said "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit"
---1st_cliff on 1/22/10

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Cliff, as I see it, Leon is correct. You do not accept the truth of Scripture, only those bits which agree with your personal views. How can anyone debate Scripture with someone who sets his opinions above God's word?
---Warwick on 1/21/10

That's just it Cliff. I can't show you what you're not willing to see from Scripture since you don't believe Scripture anyway. No mas! Heel! :)
---Leon on 1/21/10

Leon,Instead of giving me the back of your hand,why not show me what part of my post is unscriptural!
You said that only the "mind" survives the body, where did all those other "appendages" come from? (imagination??)
---1st_cliff on 1/20/10

"...definitely not bible supported."

Cliff: My thinking is warped? :) I certainly must consider the source of such a statement & well, as far as I'm concerned, your credibility is lower than a whale's belly.

This diatribe (rant) is just more of your double-minded, double-talk, since by your own admission you don't believe most (likely not any) of the Bible anyway. In your current state of mental confusion you relentlessly try to use the Bible to sanctimoniously disprove the Bible. Just how warped is that? Repent!
---Leon on 1/20/10

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Nice try Leon, but your thinking is a little warped (no slur intended).
You see, next thing you point to is the RM and Lazarus ,little bit more than a "mind" here escaping the body but a "whole" person (head,tongue,fingers etc.)
Your concept of an "intangible mind" floating around in space (even recognizing other "minds" ,male or female)is totally bizzar,straight out of science-fiction! and definitely not bible supported.
You're saying the "mind" of a mentally challenged person is "not" brain related??
---1st_cliff on 1/20/10

Regarding your 1/10 comments Cliff: I'm not the least bit surprised at your continued confusion since you don't believe the Christian Bible anyway. Connecting the dots is impossible for you because of your line of thinking (mind) is sin separated from God.

For the benefit of others you may've confused, the brain is the physical house of the mind (soul/spirit) while we live on earth. The mind isn't dependent upon the brain for existence. Instead, the brain depends upon the mind/soul. So, at the death of the physical body (brain included), the mind/soul (spirit man) leaves the body.

You're thinking is "stuck" in the natural concerning what's a God-given (breathed) supernatural aspect of man.
---Leon on 1/19/10

Since He is fully one with God and God is everywhere then I suppose that his consciousness was everywhere but his body remained still until the resurrection.
---Jody on 1/17/10

perhaps you'd like to try & explain Matthew 10:28 as relates to body & soul (the breath of life)

And what is your question?

Matt 10:28 has no reference to 'breath of life' - simply IMPLIED BY religion

breath of life GIVEN to man by God in Gen 2:7 when man BECAME a living soul

no mortal man was "immortal" or had a soul prior to their physical existence like some new-age religions teach and many in religious christianity teach from the immortal soul doctrine of pagan philosophers
---Rhonda on 1/17/10

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mima: What part of "this mortal" is unclear to you. If you are mortal, then you are not immortal. If you were immortal, you would not need to put on immortality. According to the Bible, immortality is "put on" ONLY at the second coming of Jesus. Thus, the dead are not YET immortal. The Bible says that only God is immortal and that the dead are "asleep."
---jerry6593 on 1/16/10

"...immortal soul...maybe scripture does."

Of course! "ALL" of Scripture does Mima. Why else would God place such a high value upon our individual souls if they were expendable? (Matt. 16:26, Mk. 8:26) Our souls aren't some kind of temporary mechanisms we use only in our mortal existence on earth. However, some bloggers would have us to believe just that apart from what the Bible clearly says.

ROMANS 10:17
---Leon on 1/16/10

Samuel wrote--

No scripture speaks of an immortal soul.
---Samuel on 1/14/10

But maybe scripture does.

First Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality"
---mima on 1/16/10

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
---MIchael on 1/16/10

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Light bulbs, boxes, anything "other than" what Jesus says in the Bible. You guys!!! :D
---Leon on 1/14/10

Some compare a person to being a light from a light bulb. When the electricty or breath of light flows there is light or a living person. When the electricity is turned off then the light goes away. The Buble is still there but it will require GOD to turn the light back on.

No scripture speaks of an immortal soul.
---Samuel on 1/14/10

Leon: "Luck is for losers."

Best of luck!
---jerry6593 on 1/14/10

Well -- ain't that special Jerry!:) To the contrary, it's you bud who refuse to accept what Scripture clearly says (Mat. 10:28) because it doesn't fit your cultic model & agenda.

Luck is for losers. Have faith in God & what He says by His recorded word in the Bible. Then no one can "box" you in with their imaginary, nonsensical doctrines.

---Leon on 1/13/10

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Leon: Bless your heart. I've tried to make the construction of the soul described in Gen 2:7 and its destruction in Mat 10:28 so simple that even a little child could understand it. I guess that was not simple enough. You refuse to look at the plain truth of Scripture, preferring your pagan spiritualism instead. Best of luck with that.
---jerry6593 on 1/13/10

At best Jerry, your "simple" analogy is a feeble attempt to force a square peg into a round hole because you "simply" don't want to face the reality of what Jesus said (Matt. 10:28). I'd rather read & understand Scripture from the Word of God's (Jesus') perspective than to mentally entertain, rationalize & equate human existence to being a box. To say the very least, your box theory isn't Scriptural! Rather, it's twisted & confused thinking. I believe you ( & at least one other person on this blog) have been culturally programmed & neatly packaged (boxed) in false religious doctrines. You need to be set free!!! (Jn. 8:32)
---Leon on 1/12/10

Rhoda: I expect the greatly blog dispersed font of wisdom, known as Jerry, will reply when it's covenient for him unless you are now speaking on his behalf/at his good pleasure. Since Jerry has yet to & you seem to be a loyal member of his blog collective, perhaps you'd like to try & explain Matthew 10:28 as relates to body & soul (the breath of life)? :)
---Leon on 1/12/10

Leon: If you understand the simple illustration of the construction of a box, then you cal easily understand Mat 10:28. God throws the ENTIRE BOX, boards and all into the lake of fire to destroy it completely. In your paradigm, only the "nails" are roasted forever, while the boards rot in the dirt.
---jerry6593 on 1/12/10

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Jerry: I'll try again! :) What did Jesus mean in Matthew 10:28?

Leon you know ...Jerry is very busy across many topics he can't always "hop to" answering pronto :)

souls given to man by God in Genesis ...God breathed into man and he became a living soul ...became is MAIN point - man's "soul" did not exist PRIOR - God created it ...Holy Scripture states souls die ...unlike pagan antichrist doctrine of souls "immortality"

do not fear man who can DESTROY your physical body - FEAR God who can DESTROY BOTH

salvation is a promise the soul is eternal life PROMISED at Christs return ...when all those are changed in an instant to immortal life 2Corin 15
---Rhonda on 1/11/10

Jerry: I'll try again! :) What did Jesus mean in Matthew 10:28?
---Leon on 1/11/10

Leon: I'll try again. A box consists of boards and nails, properly fitted together. The box is not the boards, nor is it the nails. It is the combination of the two. When the nails are removed, where does the box go? Does it become the boards? The nails? No, it ceases to exist as a functioning box.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man BECAME a living soul.

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

The "soul" does not magically BECOME the "breath" or the "dust" at death. It simply ceases to exist.
---jerry6593 on 1/11/10

"Not...even God's breath of life is immortal." Jerry, 1/9

Jerry: Show "us" scripture that says God's breath isn't eternal (immortal), self-existent, conscious entity. :)

Are there animals in heaven? Do you want my opinion? Okay, I THINK so. By virtue of being there that would make them eternal beings, wouldn't it?

"Logic demands it." Oh, really? I get it! You think the body IS the living soul & when the breath of life leaves it, the "body/soul" is therefore dead. Okay! What then was Jesus talking about, in Matthew 10:28, regarding the "BODY" & "SOUL" of man? Sounds like two distinctively different components of man to me! :)
---Leon on 1/10/10

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Leon, There you go again, pushing pagan doctrine and trying to make it sound Christian! ! Spirit body stuck inside a physical one??
Is it the spirit body or the physical body thats impaired when someone is "mentally challenged?"
*The body is incapable of sustaining thoughts since the brain is dead* So the spirit body has no brain??? 2 brains, do they share a brain??? Leon!!!
---1st_cliff on 1/10/10


(1) Only God is immortal (1Ti 6:16). Not any man or even God's breath of life is immortal. Show us a scripture that says that the breath is an eternal, self-existent, conscious entity.

(2) Animals share the same breath of life as humans (Ecc 3:19). Do you think that all animals have eternal life?

(3) Your definition of "soul" is anti-biblical. Gen 2:7 defines a soul as the sum of the two components "body" and "breath of life." Without the body, there can be no living soul - logic demands it.
---jerry6593 on 1/9/10

Yes Samuel, the word "breath" is ruwach. It also means "mind" & "spirit". The words for "soul" are nephesh & psyche. Nephesh means "life, vital breath". Psyche means "mind". Both words refer to the ever conscious human personality (within a living or outside of a dead body). Therefore, breath & SOUL are synonyms.
---Leon on 1/9/10

Jerry: Please reference my comments to Samuel. You're right, God is immortal. Do you suppose the breath of life God breathed into Adam's nostril was any less immortal after Adam became a living soul/spirit? (G2:7) The truth of the matter is, if Adam hadn't sinned he would've lived forever on God's immortal breath/Spirit*. (G2:17)

Contrary to what some believe, we are spirit beings who lives in physical bodies & have "God-given" immortal souls (minds, consciousness, personalities).

*Jn. 4:24
---Leon on 1/9/10

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Resurrection mean "re-standing to life" So where was He ?? Dead!
If He was not resurrected He would have stayed dead Just like any one of us,who upon death is totally dependent on resurrection to live again!


Scripture is very clear ...Christ suffered death ...this is why he cried out at the CROSS to The Father in Heaven - WHY have you forsaken me Matt. 27:46

if Christ were "really" alive at the moment of his last breath than Christ lied when he said he would be in the grave three days and nights

Christ cried out in anguish not for the pain of his physical body but for the PAIN of DEATH ...death is not defeated UNTIL Christ returns to RULE Earth
---Rhonda on 1/8/10

Resurrection mean "re-standing to life" So where was He ?? Dead!
If He was not resurrected He would have stayed dead Just like any one of us,who upon death is totally dependent on resurrection to live again!


Scripture is very clear ...Christ suffered death ...this is why he cried out at the CROSS to The Father in Heaven - WHY have you forsaken me Matt. 27:46

if Christ were "really" alive at the moment of his last breath than Christ lied when he said he would be in the grave three days and nights

Christ cried out in anguish not for the pain of his physical body but for the PAIN of DEATH ...death is not defeated UNTIL Christ returns to RULE Earth
---Rhonda on 1/8/10

Ps. 146:4 says two distinctly "separate" things Jerry:

1. Man's breath (spirit/living soul) leaves the body.
2. The dead body returns to the earth. Because there is no longer "breath" in it, the body is incapable of sustaining thoughts since the brain is dead.


Since Ps 146.4 uses the word ruwach
Biblical Usage 1) wind, breath, mind, spirit. The word for soul is not used here. So Leon why are you adding words not found in the verse?
---Samuel on 1/8/10

Leon: The Bible does not say that the "living soul" is the same thing as the breath of life. It does say that only God is immortal, and that humans and animals share the same "breath of life." The concept of the immortality of the soul is the first of Satan's lies recorded in the Bible. Even Jesus Himself spoke of Lazarus' death as "sleep."
---jerry6593 on 1/8/10

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Ps. 146:4 says two distinctly "separate" things Jerry:

1. Man's breath (spirit/living soul) leaves the body.
2. The dead body returns to the earth. Because there is no longer "breath" in it, the body is incapable of sustaining thoughts since the brain is dead.

John 20:17 Jesus wasn't speaking of his spirit body. He was speaking of His "resurrected/physical body" of which hadn't yet ascended to God the Father.
---Leon on 1/7/10

"His body was in the grave and his spirit was with his father in heaven!!!"
---mima on 1/4/10

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
---jerry6593 on 1/6/10

Jovani, Resurrection mean "re-standing to life" So where was He ?? Dead!
If He was not resurrected He would have stayed dead Just like any one of us,who upon death is totally dependent on resurrection to live again!
---1st_cliff on 1/4/10

Also read Ephesians 4:4-10.
---Leon on 1/4/10

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His body was in the grave and his spirit was with his father in heaven!!!
---mima on 1/4/10

As we sing at Pascha:

In the tomb with the body,
In Sheol with the soul,
In Paradise with the thief,
On the throne with the Father and Spirit,
Were You, O Christ God,
Filling all things, but limited by none.
---Cluny on 1/4/10

Matthew 12:40 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
---Donna on 1/4/10

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