StevenG, we could go on but this is my last post concerning your comments, you did after all take the words out of context because those words were not there. I was reminding you that you used the wrong words because I did also, and thought maybe you made a mistake as I had, but now you still want to say the words are there because they were save. We knew they were saved from the context already. In the context he said, the basic principles of the world, which of course does not mean saving faith. Saving faith is not of the World.
---MarkV. on 2/17/10|
MarkV: "Steven G, I didn't recognize the passage you gave because you said spoil my faith, and the passage does not say that at all."
You take it out of context. Read verses 9 and 10 also. That is what faith is based upon. The only time one is full of faith is when God is filled up in you. God could not inhabit the body if there wasn't faith.
---Steveng on 2/16/10|
Great question. From what I have been able to gather the nations "saved" are distinguished here from those who were decieved by Satan?
Gentiles who will move and take their riches to the 3rd rebuilt temple?
---larry on 2/16/10|
Steven G, don't worry about putting faith and joy, I did the same thing when I answered Leon on another blog. I put faith instead of reading correctly and reading the word Truth. It happens. When I read you comment I did think you were talking about faith and joy, just like others thought about my answer too. I understand and move on, peace to you brother
---MarkV. on 2/16/10|
Steven G, I didn't recognize the passage you gave because you said spoil my faith, and the passage does not say that at all.
"Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the traditions of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ"
I couldn't find faith anywhere or for that matter Joy. When you speak of faith you have to be sure it is faith. Since faith is a gift of God, and joy is an action of individuals. You said denominations make it complex, but here you make it complex by using words out of context, which is the reason you complain about the churches. Did you ever stop to think maybe you have this all wrong?
---MarkV. on 2/16/10|
MarkV: "Steven G, we are not speaking about denominations, but..."
We were talking about how people make christianity complex and how people and especially denominational churches make it more complex.
"I gave an example and you tell me, "Don't let others spoil my faith" don't know where that came from."
That verse came from the book of Colssians which was written by Paul, the apostle. More specifically Colossians 2:8-10.
---Steveng on 2/15/10|
Steven G, we are not speaking about denominations, but about the reading of Scripture. You go back to denominations when we were not even talking about them. I gave an example and you tell me, "Don't let others spoil my faith" don't know where that came from. No one is spoiling my faith. You also added, "instead for what Christ has said", my example was to learn what Christ says, and it would be difficult if you didn't know the tradition for Corban. So I do want to know what Christ said. If you are happy where you are at that is great. But others want to learn more about God. And since we have revised Bibles in English, we also need Wordstudy Bibles to get the correct words and the meanings to those words.
---MarkV. on 2/15/10|
MarkV: "StevenG, Christianity is not complex."
True, christian in and of itself is not complex, but people, especially in today's overly educated world, make it complex. Denominational churches make it even more complex by adding their own tradtions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible (for example The Book of Mormon and RCC's Catechism). Faith is Christ is enough, don't ad anything else to it.
Don't let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built upon men's thoughts and ideas, instead of what Christ has said. Christians are filled with God through their union with Christ.
---Steveng on 2/14/10|
StevenG, Christianity is not complex. The passion we have to know the Truth drives us to find out more about God. The Gospel is easy, if that is all we want to know. But if we want to know what happened and why we have to search deeply. For example in Mark 7 Jesus upbraids the Pharisees soundly for their concept of Corban. Now you might not care about that and just pass the passages as many do, but if you want to know why, you look else where to know what Corban means and what was the practice for Corban in order to know why Jesus was angry at them. Without knowledge of the cultural practice of corban, we would be unable to understand this passage. Yes, you can skip the passages and not care, as many do, or you can understand it as others do.
---MarkV. on 2/14/10|
MarkV., why do you make christianity complex?
---Steveng on 2/13/10|
Steven G, concerning on reading the Bible. I believe that the Holy Spirit leads us to all Truth. If a person wants to only read the Bible, they will learn enough for salvation and godly living. It is written that it can be understood by everyone. But in deep matters of faith, a person needs tools to understand, metaphors, alligories, types, and also a study as to the culture at the time the passage was written, the customs used at that time, words that were use that we don't use anymore, and the only way you will learn that is through tools provide for us through many great godly man in history who did deep studies on subjects.
With the Spirit's discernment we can learn alot from many.
---MarkV. on 2/13/10|
Steven G, you touched many subjects and cannot speak of all of them but I will say that the passages you gave are instructions for the believers. just take the first one Rom. 12:16:
"Be of the same mind toward one another."
The reason he says this is because they are not all of the same mind. If when we come to Christ we are all of the same mind, he would not have to tells us that.
"Do not set your mind on high things, but accociate with the humble."
He says this because he wanted them to not be self seeking with pride (Phil. 2:3). How do we apply that to our lives is for us to work on our habits. God through His Word is sanctifying us, transforming us.
---MarkV. on 2/13/10|
MarkV: "StevenG, the world is not like it is because of many interpretations. It is like that because of sin."
But in christiandom, it's because of differing interpretations.
MarkV: "And another thing, you cannot find many thinking the same because we are all created different,..."
I was writing about the mind of Christ...
1 Corinthians 1:10
1 Peter 3:8
1 Peter 4:1
---Steveng on 2/12/10|
StevenG, the world is not like it is because of many interpretations. It is like that because of sin. And another thing, you cannot find many thinking the same because we are all created different, with different talents, different situations we live in, and God reveals His word as He sees fit to do at the moment He wants us to learn. One piece at a time. To some a lot, to others a few. Only what they can take. Don't confuse the world been what it is because of peoples interpretations, just as the RCC Church believed it was because of the Jews that Jesus died, the reason they presecuted them through the years, No, it was because of sin in the world. I hope that helps you.
---MarkV. on 2/8/10|
larry: "Its not a sin to use commentaries."
No, but it sure lead a person off of the path toward the Kingdom of God. You need to remember to use the bible as its own reference. It says so itself. All the material written in publications such as books, novels, commentaries, dictionaries are the interpratations of man, or a group of men having the same thoughts. Instead of taking commentatires and concordances at face value, you should look at the history of some of those publications and it's directors. Take Strong's Concordance as an example. It is said that it is not a translation of the bible, but he would refuse an interpretation of a word if it didn't meet his criteria. Research the history of James Strong.
---Steveng on 2/7/10|
MarkV, if a person read and meditated on only the bible without infecting their mind with other people's opinions, how would you judge that person? Look at the world around you. There are as many interpretations of the bible as there are people living in the world. People are like artists, if you set them in a row and have them face a tree, they all would paint a different picture. Even christians can't paint the picture of the bible the same way, reading these blogs would give you an idea of what I'm talking about. In today's unloving world, there are only a handful of christians who think alike. The bible is only a small book having a powerful message, but it's rare to find a group of christians being like minded.
---Steveng on 2/7/10|
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StevenG, should I call you as you called Jerry a lukewarm hypocrite? You said
" I have never infected my mind with other opinions."
you believed Eloy suffering more then Christ and supported his views, to the extend of saying I was not telling all the truth. What's up with that? And how about the two prophets that spoke to you without talking. They influenced your mind also. And how about the churches you said did not help you when you needed it, they influenced your mind to not believe in denominations which is what most of your blogs are about. Just because Jerry believes in some of what you say and not all does not qualify him as a hypocrite.
No Steveng, Jerry is many things, but not a hypocrite.
---MarkV. on 2/7/10|
StevenG, don't make enemies out of the brethren. Jerry said nothing to warrant sucn an assult.
Please exchange opinions without personal attacks.
Its not a sin to use commentaries.
---larry on 2/7/10|
jerry6593: "Steveng: I agree. Real Christians have nothing to worry about..."
You are such a lukewarm hypocrite. You agree with some of the things I write and disagree with some of the things I write even though all of what I write is biblically based. You choose what you want to believe depending on what you want to believe at any given moment. I suggest reading and meditating on the Word of God and use his word as it's own reference instead of reading concordances, novels, author's opinions, christian dictionaries, and other christian reference books - with the help of the Holy Spirit, of course. As for me, the bible is the only christian book I have read and meditated on. I have never infected my mind with other opinions.
---Steveng on 2/6/10|
Steveng: I agree. Real Christians have nothing to worry about during the time of trouble just before the 2nd coming. God will bring us THROUGH it.
---jerry6593 on 2/3/10|
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...And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: SEE THAT YE BE NOT TROUBLED: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Matthew 24:6
I was speaking "not to worry about end time events." I didn't say not to get ready for the soon to come Christ. Especially as we are living in the end time and we need to put on the whole armor of God as christian persecution is on the rise.
---Steveng on 2/2/10|
Steveng: "Do not worry about endtime events"
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
---jerry6593 on 2/2/10|
jerry6593, don't worry about it. Just DO the two commandments spoken of by Jesus - to love God and to love your neighbors more than yourself. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches." Do not worry about endtime events (and especially 2012 in chich many weak christians are becoming worried about) Just be aware of these events. If your relationship is strong with the Lord, he will protect you as promised.
---Steveng on 2/1/10|
Life will go on--but not as usual. Satan won't be around during that time.
Re 20:5 ...rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:...
7 ...when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 ...to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog...
This obviously happens at the end of the 1,000 years. I can't see anytime in the past where Satan's been bound for 1,000 years.
2Th 2:8 is part of 2Th 2:3-7, speaking of the "anti-Christ"--the son of perdition, that Wicked--not generally.
---BruceB on 2/1/10|
Bruce: I think I understand your position to be that life on the earth will go on as usual after the 2nd coming, and that the good will be separated from the evil after the millenium - just as before it. This theory has a few problems:
First, the Bible says that the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' coming (2 Th 2:8).
Second, a judgement has already taken place when Jesus comes in order to separate the good from the bad.
Third, there is no changing (from bad to good) after the 2nd coming (Rev 22:11).
Fourth, Jesus brings His reward with Him (Rev 22:12).
Just as in our own court system, a trial has two phases: so too God's judgement has an investigative phase and an executive phase.
---jerry6593 on 2/1/10|
Understand: I am not writing for Steveng.
There is a judgment coming, which takes place at the end of the 1,000 years. Those who are dead (and there will also be death during the 1,000 years, just as there is now), who were not raised in the first resurrection, are raised at that time... and those who are living, who were not part of the first resurrection in Christ (the start of the 1,000 years), are all gathered together and judged, at that time.
This "second" resurrection, to judgment, has no effect on those who took part in the first resurrection.
Does this help?
---BruceB on 1/31/10|
Steveng & BruceB: Sorry, but I don't get your points.
---jerry6593 on 1/31/10|
We read in:
Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
After the judgment comes, the "nations" mentioned in Re 21:24 are those written in the book of life: and anyone else God judges worthy. This occurs after the 1,000 years.
During the 1,000 years, the nations can be found in...
Da 7:11 ...I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
 anti-Christ at Armageddon
 existing kings/nations as of Armageddon.
---BruceB on 1/31/10|
jerry6593: "If they are righteous, they have their part in the first resurrection."
There is no second chance to populate heaven. then there are those who do good works, knowing the law in their hearts, will have a chance to populate the new earth. Those who know Christ are raised at the first resurrection. All the other people will rise at the second resurrection according to their works. Blessed are those who rise in the first resurrection for they sahll not see the second death.
This is scripture, this is God's will.
---Steveng on 1/30/10|
Steveng: "What about the infants, young children, and the tribesman still undiscovered by modern man that "do by nature the things contained in the law"?"
If they are righteous, they have their part in the first resurrection. There is no second chance! I would also hate to be the judge of the world. Only God has the perfect mixture of justice and mercy. But you argue against the scripture - not against me. This world of sin must someday come to an end and face a day of judgement. We must be ready.
---jerry6593 on 1/30/10|
jerry6593: "These must be the wicked, since they are the only dead ones."
I would surely hate to have you be the judge of the world. There are millions of people who have not heard of the gospel (you know what that is, right?). What about the infants, young children, and the tribesman still undiscovered by modern man that "do by nature the things contained in the law"? These are the people who did not rise at the first resurrection, but will be judged according to their works.
Read: Romans 2:13-16
---Steveng on 1/29/10|
Steveng: Here's the logic:
Jesus said: "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (Joh 14:6) Thus, anyone who will get to heaven will get there through Jesus.
Jesus will come for ALL who will be saved, and will take with Him both the living and the resurrected dead. (1 Th 4:14-17) The wicked remain behind and will NEVER see heaven. The wicked dead remain dead, and the wicked living are "destroyed by the brightness of His coming." (2 Th 2:8)
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years were finished.
These must be the wicked, since they are the only dead ones.
---jerry6593 on 1/28/10|
jerry6593: "Not for long. Remember that those in the second resurrection are the wicked of all ages,..."
Where in Revelation do verses say "wicked." Remember the warning about adding words to the prophesy? Re-read Revelation 20:12-15. At the first resurrection, the dead who are risen are christians only. At the second resurrection, all the other dead, who did not rise at the first resurrection, are risen. These are the people who are judged from the Book of Life - according to their works. If they are all wicked, why would God waste his time judging them? Some to everlasting death and some to everlasting life. God is surely a just god.
---Steveng on 1/27/10|
Steveng: "These shall populate the New Earth."
Not for long. Remember that those in the second resurrection are the wicked of all ages, including the ones "left behind" at Jesus 2nd coming, and killed "by the brightness of His coming" (2Th 2:8). When Satan marshalls these newly resurrected to attack the New Jerusalem, God sends fire from heaven and destroys them forever in the lake of fire.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
---jerry6593 on 1/27/10|
There will be a New Heaven and a New Earth.
There are to be two resurrections.
At the first resurrection, at the second coming of Christ, all those who are dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with them to populate the kingdom of God.
At the second resurrection, at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ, all the other dead in all of history shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works. These shall populate the New Earth.
Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 1/26/10|
This might help you
---steven-rem7000 on 1/26/10|
The new Jerusalem, with the church, will be the center of the governments of the earth. There has never been a rule like it.
---catherine on 1/25/10|
Ron, they are the redeemed of the earth. Of all 'nations'-("ethnos": an ethically [as being in accordance with the rules or standards for right conduct ] varied multitude of individuals, that are of the same nature or genus).
Those who have been made "partakers of the 'divine nature', having escaped the corruption [that is] in the world through lust." 2Pet 1:3,4
The Father's family of glorified men and women. The Kings referred to here are the selected leaders of the nations, those who overcame the tribulation of the false christ and the pressures to receive him. Thus counted worthy to rule and reigned with Jesus during the millennia, and to remain as leaders throughout eternity.
---joseph on 1/24/10|
Dolores, I've got to say your imagination is even wilder than John's.Going to other planets (a little LDS mixed in here) 144,000 virgin males??? not on this planet!
Dolores, are you smoking that funny stuff??
---1st_cliff on 1/23/10|
Rev. 21:1. Earth will be destroyed, no sea.
2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, is a Spaceship to take the 144,000 virgin Males in Rev. 14, to a new Planet, like God/Us did in Genesis 1,2.
The new Group of Celibate Males will have Helpmeets Reproduced from their ribs, like Eve. The Original Group on Earth were not Reproduced by Body Birth, but Cloning.
When they Reproduced Children, the Original Sin, Generation Birth, Death, and Rebirth began.
Humans today, do Know how to Reproduce a Fetus, and clone animals in the Lab., by High Tech Science, not Supernaturally.
---Dolores on 1/20/10|
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There shall be a New Heaven and earth according to the Bible. That would imply that the Nations this refers to will also be new. We have no way of knowing how God will choose the names of these New Nations or what they will be related to by bloodline. I am sure that it will be remarkable and glorious but it is beyond out present conception as to details like the names of the New Nations. Good question as it caused uplifting thoughts for me:)
---jody on 1/17/10|
They will be "those who are saved" (in Revelation 21:24). So, I'd say there will be the saved people from each nation these nations will have kings ruling them. The kings would be people who have obeyed Jesus, like Abraham did. "'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18) Abraham was not a king ruling a nation, but his obedience has gotten "all he nations blessed" because of his obedience. So, I can see Jesus will crown ones who have gotten people blessed, by obeying God, instead of just using control methods. Leaders are commanded, "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/17/10|