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How To Deal With Pressure

How do you deal with pressure? My head is spinning regarding all of the things hitting me... wife, kids, grandkids, financial problems, my mom is sick... I am a Christian and the "joy" that pastors tell me about goes in one ear and out the other... I am not really happy. Jim

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StrongAxe: The Bible addresses all mankind, not just Christians only. Therefore context is always to be considered.

Amongst professing Christians we even see Jesus say in Matt 7:21 'Not everyone who saith to me "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven'.
These type of non-believers are seen 1john 1:6 too: 'If we say we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness..'

You can't read a verse of scripture without reference to it's context. 1John1:8 speaks to those in sin of unbelief (john 16:9). This is the sin the world is convicted of. Hence why we see 1John1 context of declaring eternal life to non-Christians.
---Haz27 on 4/17/12

StrongAxe: If you had been following this topic before you would have seen my posts giving definitions of sin. BUT, I don't know what definition you use, hence why I asked you the question.
Can you give me your definition and what definition you apply in 1John1:8 as I can only guess what it is until then.

I suggest using Bible definitions. Examples:
Unbelief. John:16:9
blasphemy. Mark 3:29
Transgression of the law.1John3:4
Unrighteousness. 1John5:17

I suspect we'll have to continue this in another blog soon considering this one has almost finished.
---Haz27 on 4/17/12

Haz, again, you are not an ex-sinner, you sin all the time. When someone sins, they are sinners. The only reason you can stand before God is because of the righteousness of Christ. Not your own righteousness. Jesus Christ is our Mediator, without Him, you cannot stand before God. Why? for two reasons, because by yourself you are filthy rags'. And He is pure. Second, because if you are truely saved, you are spiritually baptized into the body of Christ, He will never leave you. Why do you not understand what Mediator means?
The necessity of the mediation of Christ arises from the existence of sin. A mediator is one who intervenes between two parties. The sinner and God. Open your heart to the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/12


1 John 1:6,8-10:
"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: ...
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

This was written to BELIEVERS already in a church. Unbelieving outsiders would not have access to such a letter.

Note the WE in verse 6 do not walk in darkness. Yet the same WE in verses 8-10 lie if WE say WE have no sin.

What do YOU think sin means here?
---StrongAxe on 4/17/12

Strongaxe: What definition of sin do you use? This might help to start with.

The verses you speak of in 1John which differ about sin are NOT in the same chapter as you claimed.

Read 1John1 from start and note it's wording to get context.
Verse 2: "bear witness and show unto you that eternal life"
V 3: "declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship...with the Father, and...Jesus"
V 6: "If we say we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness (without Christ)we lie"

Clearly this is a salvation message to non-believers and gives context to verse 8.

But if you think 1John1:8 speaks of Christians WHAT sin does it refer to?
---Haz27 on 4/17/12

StrongAxe: Your suggestion 1John3:6-9 refers to
"habitual" sin is error.

What "sin" does it speak of? Is it transgression of the law (1John3:4), or something else?

We agree scripture confirms scripture. Consider the following about sin for Christians:
"Cannot sin" 1John3:9,
"ceased from sin" 1Peter 4:1,
"freed from sin" Rom 6:7,
"dead to sin" Rom 6:2
ONLY PAST sins were forgiven (Rom 3:25). That means there's "NO MORE offering for sin" Heb 10:18.

But anyone who sins is:
"of the devil" 1John 3:8
"a servant of sin" John8:34

First understand what sin is then you'll understand why Christians cannot sin.
---Haz27 on 4/17/12

lee1538: Whilst we both agree that in our physical lives Christians are not perfect we DIFFER in our definition of sin.

You agreed sin is transgression of the law (1John3:4), but then you erred in choosing select parts of the law as sin and other parts as not sin. You clearly have an ambiguous unscriptural understanding of sin hence your error.

You are correct that unbelief in Jesus is sin (John16:9) but I wonder if you fully understand what this is.

You said "sin builds a barrier between us and God", BUT sin IS the barrier. It is unbelief and this includes establishing righteousness through the law as SDAs do.
---Haz27 on 4/16/12


StrongAxe. Thanks for your points but unfortunately they don't stand up to scrutiny as previous blog discussions have revealed. Scripture confirms scripture and all the arguments claiming that Christians remain in sin in spite of the cross have lacked any scriptural support.

Yes. Exactly. Scripture confirms scripture. So when John, while writing to BELIEVERS, in one verse says they don't sin and in another verse IN THE SAME CHAPTER says they do, you cannot just pick one and say it applies and the other doesn't. It becomes necessary to look more closely and discover just WHY one is true and the other is ALSO true. The words used for "sin" must have some additional nuances that are not obvious in the English.
---StrongAxe on 4/16/12

One of the more grievous problems with those that hold they no longer sin after being born of God's Spirit, is that it becomes impossible for one to be forgiven for their sins.

And sin builds a barrier between us and God much the same way as our bad behavior can build a barrier between us and our earthly parents.

If we say we do not sin, we will not deal with our misdeeds.

Even as Christians we grieve and sometimes quench the Holy Spirit when we resist His will for our lives.

If our sin is against our wives, then our prayers are hindered.1 Peter 3:7 is directed towards Christians.

Sin is in my view not only unbelief but the worship of something else. It becomes more than just a transgression of Biblical law.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12

StrongAxe. Thanks for your points but unfortunately they don't stand up to scrutiny as previous blog discussions have revealed. Scripture confirms scripture and all the arguments claiming that Christians remain in sin in spite of the cross have lacked any scriptural support.

You even mentioned the "habitual" sin doctrine which, if you had followed discussions on previous blogs, you would note how it's proponents always back away from this doctrine. It lacks scriptural support and clearly contradicts the gospel.

I agree 1John1:8 does not contradict 1John3:6-9, but we differ in that 1john1:8 refers to non-believers as the context of previous verses reveal.

---Haz27 on 4/16/12


lee1538's argument relies on the nuances of Greek. It can be dangerous to build any doctrine based on a single word, or verb tense, or translations of those (even less accurate, as they lose nuances present in the original language). It is better to look at a larger context.

1 John was written to believers:
1:6: we don't walk in darkness
1:8: if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves
3:6: whoever abides in him does not sin
If this means "does not ever sin", it contradicts 1:8.
but not if it means "does not continuously/habitually sin".

(Unfortunately, I am no Greek scholar. I'll leave it to others to speak in greater detail of the verb tenses involved).
---StrongAxe on 4/16/12

lee1538: Scripture confirms scripture and your lack of any scriptural support for your doctrine only confirms that 1John3:9 means "cannot" sin.

Interesting that you argue "cannot" does not mean "cannot", just so that it fits your doctrine.

And remember, in reference to 1john3:9, you said ""those who make a practice or lifestyle of sin are of the devil."
You have been unable to confirm this doctrine from other scripture. In fact you even began to back away from it once you realized it's failings.

Clearly you want to earnestly believe 1John3:9 means "practice" sin but your argument for it always points AWAY from scripture but to man instead. Do you see the problem?
---Haz27 on 4/15/12

lee1538: Your trust in man instead of God is clearly evident by your continual reliance on man's traditions, Barnes and Gill's commentaries, etc to support your doctrine.

Can I suggest ONLY using scripture. Scripture will confirm scripture so there's no need to avoid them.

"Cannot sin" 1John3:9,
"ceased from sin" 1Peter 4:1,
"freed from sin" Rom 6:7,
"dead to sin" Rom 6:2
It was ONLY PAST sins that were forgiven (Rom 3:25). That means there is "NO MORE offering for sin" Heb 10:18.

All these confirm each other. Christians cannot sin.
Yet you contradict the above scriptures and say Christians still sin based on men you trust say.

Trust God instead.
---Haz27 on 4/15/12

//Interesting the NAS uses BOTH "practice" AND "cannot" sin. Are you saying NAS got it wrong too?

No since the Greek verb in these verses has the sense of a continuous present tense, we could in plain English interpret "cannot sin" as "is not able to go on sinning" because he has been born from God.

Part of your problem here is your failure to interpret scripture with scripture.

And as stated previously, the view that one cannot sin, is contrary to the testimony of the church.

Your battle really has to be with the Bible translators on this issue.
---lee1538 on 4/15/12

//Interesting the NAS uses BOTH "practice" AND "cannot" sin. Are you saying NAS got it wrong too?
The NAS translators wanted to stick as close as possible to their Greek source leaving interpretations to Bible students.

I once pointed out the differences in translation of John 3:16 to the editors of Decision magazine. Their reply was that the different translations really provided a different "nuance" to the verse under study. I have to agree with their comment.

While we all agree that we should put the Bible foremost, I believe that the summation of it should be what we view as doctrine.

If we limit the Bible to OUR UNDERSTANDING, we may handle snakes & drink poisons. Mark 16.
---lee1538 on 4/15/12

lee1538, Interesting the NAS uses BOTH "practice" AND "cannot" sin. Are you saying NAS got it wrong too?

Barnes "habitual" sin doctrine is based on that "practice" interpretation.
Remember you even agreed with it saying "those who make a practice or lifestyle of sin are of the devil."

BUT later you backed away from it. Maybe you began to see that it's error. It failed scrutiny, lacked scriptural support and even contradicted other scriptures. I can assure God does not contradict Himself.

1John3:9 means "cannot" sin. There is no need to discard Bible versions that don't fit your doctrine. It's time to accept what God says in His word.
---Haz27 on 4/14/12

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//Being in Christ, Christians are now:
Holy. Cannot sin.
1 John 3:9 ESV 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for Gods seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

The Greek in this verse is one of continual action as Mark Eaton already noted in comments on the Explain Romans 7:20 thread.

---lee1538 on 4/14/12

james_l, i know what you mean, and so am i.

I am an ex sinner [whose flesh still sins], saved by the grace of God.

He [is making] me a partaker of the divine nature. [I still have a propensity to partake in the temporal.]

He has swept the temple clean, and now indwells the inner sanctuary. [He is at constant war with the flesh that encases the temple.]
---aka on 4/14/12

James_L said:"I am an ex sinner, saved by the grace of God.
He has made me a partaker of the divine nature
He has swept the temple clean, and now indwells the inner sanctuary"


Being in Christ, Christians are now:
Holy. Rom 11:16
Sanctified. Heb 10:10
Perfected. Heb 10:14
Cannot sin. 1John3:9
Righteous. Rom 4
---Haz27 on 4/14/12

I am an ex sinner, saved by the grace of God.

He has made me a partaker of the divine nature

He has swept the temple clean, and now indwells the inner sanctuary
---James_L on 4/14/12

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Strongaxe, as with Warwick I don't believe in giving an exact number to believe something or explain a point. Even Wikipedia is not totally correct. The point was the Christians in Sudan are not living high on the hog, they are been murdered. The others are living high on the hog, because they can. Believers suffer in every country. While there are some who have a lot of money, most don't. Eloy wanted to make it sound that if you are a Christian all your troubles are over, but they are just beginning to get harder, the burden gets harder, the convictions by the Spirit get worse because we begin to see sin we didn't know was there, and persecution increases the more we witness to others.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/12


You said: In Sudan millions are killed everyday for being Christians

While there IS persecution of Christians in Sudan (and many other African countries), I think your count is a bit exaggerated. Sudan has around 30 million people in it, so even if all of them were Christian, with millions killed every day, the country would be empty within two weeks. Wikipedia says 1.5 Christians have been killed since 1984, which seems like a much more realistic figure.
---StrongAxe on 4/13/12

Jim, Sometimes we are on the mountain top, and sometimes in the valley: In whatever state we are, Praise the Lord!
Salvation comes by action:
What was Noah told to DO in order to receive God's salvation?
Did he DO it? and therefore get saved?
What was Lot and his wife told to DO in order to receive God's salvation?
Did they both DO it? and therefore did they both get saved?
---Eloy on 4/12/12

I am a sinner saved by the Grace of God. Not by my own free will. --Mark_V. on 4/11/12

mark, i know what you mean and so am i.
---aka on 4/12/12

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markv, I pray that you freely choose to accept Christ for your personal God and Savior, and really get saved, then you will truly have the new life.
---Eloy on 4/12/12

markv, If you are a sinner, then you are not saved, and you are deceived if you think that you are. For only the repented are converted and made righteous and are saved, and the nonrepentant sinner remains a condemned unsaved sinner having zero grace. And by ones fruits we all will know them, whether they are truly saved or truly unsaved. Many say with their lips Lord, Lord, I am saved, but their works show that they have rotten fruit not from Christ, and therefore are not saved.
---Eloy on 4/11/12

Eloy, I am a sinner saved by the Grace of God. Not by my own free will.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/12

markv, Mirror up please: See that you are not saved, but you are still in sin and you need to be saved.
---Eloy on 4/11/12

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Eloy, I have and guess what I see? Mark, a child of God. A good husband who loves his wife. Even when my first wife left, I still loved her, and when she came back, I still loved her, and when she died, I still love her. That is love. You on the other hand wish eternal death to your wife. That only shows how much you loved her.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/12

markv, Mirror up please.
---Eloy on 4/10/12

Eloy, your refusal to hear the Truth gives evidence of how much your really know not only about life but about God's Word. I don't have to look in the mirrow, I know who I see, me. A sinner saved by the Grace of God. I bet you cannot say that.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/12

markV, nope. Please look into the mirror while you reply to me.
---Eloy on 4/10/12

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Eloy, your vision of today and the future has to be very wrong. Many criminals, murderers, and money hungry individuals who steal and rob the people of the their savings live a better life then most Christians. You can see that all over the world. The poor and hungry suffer and you do not see this. Christians are persecuted all the time for the name of Christ. In Sudan millions are killed everyday for being Christians. Sure, one day they will suffer the consequences of their sins, but today they live high on the hog.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/12

jim 1st and foremost you need to identify and classify your problem.there are problems that is included in your circle of control and there are things which are out of your control,they are however classified as your circle of concern.determining problems that come and how to deal with all of this will make you feel less pressured and will lessen your chances of getting disappointed and unhappy.
look up instead to God who can make all things possible.cast all your care upon the Lord because He cares for you (1 Peter 5:7)
---mj on 4/10/12

Sinners have much much much much much more problems then Christians do. I have seen the end of sinners and it is not a pretty site to behold. For Christians have a holy and clean life and God Almighty is on our side, but sinners are God's enemies which live a filthy life full of rotten fruits which oppose God and his blessings. You cannot stay on the worldly road to damnation and expect God's goodness, but you first must get on the right and narrow road which leads to righteousness and then you will be blessed.
---Eloy on 4/10/12

Elena, nice to see you are checking all the blogs and so nice to hear from you. Yes Elena, Jesus didn't say our troubles here on earth would go away if we believed in Him. He in fact said our problems would increase because of His name. God gifted many great man who have died for the Truth through history. If it was not for God and His work through these man, we would not have the Truth today. Praise God for the work He did through them. His Word will live forever. While we live this life, we will run into many difficulties, but we will overcome through Christ who strengthens us.
---Mark_V/ on 4/9/12

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The fire only serves to burn off the bindings the world system puts on you. Don't forget the fourth man in the fire. He is not only there with you, He is the reason you escape with not so much as the smell of smoke on you. When those who stoke the fire and put you in it see Him, they have no choice but to let you go. As for sickness in your body ~ 1 Peter 2:24
---blogger8980 on 4/9/12

In regards to pressure ~ remember that greater is He who is in you than he that is in the world. Although we aren't always aware of it, the seed (Christ) in you is greater in pressure than the external, temporal things. The seed is under command to produce in your life. Look not at the things that are seen, but the things that are unseen. The things that are seen are temporal, the things that are unseen are eternal. As we look at the unseen with the eyes of the heart, light afflictions work for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory.
---blogger8980 on 4/9/12

You "cast ALL your anxiety upon Him for He careth for you."

Pray and ask the Lord to intervene in your life supernaturally. Give and it shall be given unto you, do God's commands and it will go well for you. Study scriptures in the word on PEACE. Sounds like you need Joy Unspeakable (that's in 1st Peter).
---anon on 4/9/12

Moderator permit-first,let me apologize my post(former) for bro.Mark,he get to it 1 day! Concerning,how deal with pressure?Pray,I learn be more specific talk to our heavenly father like you talk to your own parents with love & respect open up your heart (be specific) It is his will to come to him & he will Not! tell your problems like people do! Ps.23 yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for thou art with me.Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
---ELENA on 4/9/12

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Wow!family,bro.mark your post here 2/1O on hear talk'n bout Wesley,great hyms,etc., the part you write about how it was't fun & games,not alot of good times,first followers,they were tortured,murdered,quartered,etc..wesley spent alot into good music,have things that attract people,food,etc...You are right! I get the idea now! Wow!Study now bout the primitive church.Book of Acts. Love of Jesus! ELENA
---ELENA on 4/9/12

Jim, I pray the perfect peace of God around and in you. That He would speak constantly to your spirit in love. That there will be a soon end to all of your troubles and that you will be found a good and faithful servant at the end of these trials. May HE richly bless you and your family in all spiritual, emotional and physical areas. Amen
---jody on 4/13/10

Begin with seeking God in prayer on your priorities. Get them in order--first. You have to think of yourself next. If your health and well-being is at stake you can't be of asistance to anyone else. Learn to turn a deaf ear to some things. Learn to say "no" to things that are not important to you. Learn good coping skills along with a lot of prayer. Get into the Word of God and stay connected to your church,family and friends who care about you and your welfare. Perhaps you can start with this list. God bless you. Take care of yourself.
---Robyn on 3/10/10

1st of all Jim, what do YOU mean when you say "I am not really happy"? How do you define happiness? If your thoughts of happiness include freedom from problems, then you will probably never know that kind of happiness. If you want real peace,joy and "happiness" then you need to focus on the things of God. His promises, blessings and particularly His very being, and the fact that He choses to have a relationship with us insignificant creatures. He created us for the purpose of worshipping Him and fellowshipping with Him. All of our desires can be fulfilled in Him if we seek Him with all of our hearts. There are no quick,easy answers for your struggles, just seek the Lord.
---tommy7376 on 2/26/10

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pressure,you mean trials,and tribulation?these are normal.the only real thing that matters is love,love God,love everyone else,and accept what comes as the refinement of your spirit.Theres only as much pressure as you allow.
---tom2 on 2/21/10

Jim, I agree with most of what you said. Concerning the churches today, the reason so much confusion is in the Churches teachings does come from Wesley. Though he was a great man in many area's he was the cause of most of the works for salvation doctrines spead out all through the churches. His hymns were great, and he did do a lot of good things and loved the Lord, but what he did wrong changed everything protestants believed concerning Grace along.
About happy churches, many churches are trying to make the people happy, give them what they want so they can continue to come to church. More music, less of God's Word. About true Christians, in history most of the apostles and others were behead, crucified, cut in pieces, torchered, etc.
---MarkV. on 2/20/10

Many people seem to face the same onslaught of problems. My advice? Prioritize.

Not everyone nor everything requires equal attention. Be sure you're not letting small short-lived problems distract you from larger long-term goals. Can your wife and kids do more to help?

Put your priorities in writing and check to see if your actions line up. Pray for guidance. Have a plan.

When you have given it your best, don't worry about what's undone. Turn everything over to God. He knows your limits! Leave the outcome in His hands. Jesus says (Jn 14:27) Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Be patient. Joy will return.
---Donna66 on 2/20/10

sounds normal to me.atleast you aren,t being persecuted unto death.I could tell you things very similiar that have been going on in my life for 40 years,and it goes on,its called living.
---tom2 on 2/19/10

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well these issues are typical.why ponder problems?enjoy your children,or grandchildren,as a believer your joy is in knowing jesus,trials,tribulation,are normal,so is fear,but God is not a God of fear.being happy is a moment by moment.affected by circumstances,so it is with being unhappy.Our rock is jesus christ,and remember only you can have a good attitude,and likewise it is you can have a bad one.What people say and do will always affect you,just as lack of finances will,but jesus is always with you.
---tom2 on 2/19/10

actually the history Iknow of john wesley is that he was a miserable unhappy person.
---tom2 on 2/20/10

Pastor Jim ... Do you think that all that UPPER CASE adds anything to what you say.

What in fact it does is to demonstrate your own self importance, and your lack of confidence in what you say.

It shows that you fear that unless you SHOUT, no-one will take any notice you.

It's the printed version of SHOUTING and BULLYING.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/19/10

He seems a lot like the fundi "pastor" I grew up with. That one used to SCREAM at the top of his lungs during sermons, and he used to SLAM a giant Bible on the podium next to a microphone which sounded like a BOMB going off.
---obewan on 2/19/10

to pastor jim

FYI.... John Wesley had a very horrible earthly life.
everybody has a horrible life? do they need to be punished for having one? or is it the result of sin that they have one?
are you part of the Pharisee movement? have you read the parable of the pharisee & the tax collector?

so what if people eat potluck? doesn't that establish RELATIONSHIP & not religion in christianity that you preach? no wonder unbelievers see ministers as unfriendly. no wonder unbelievers see christianity as a RELIGION bec. of these rules that you have to fulfill. instead of inviting the sick, lame, blind, poor, outcast, indicated in the great banquet, you shut the door on their face.
---jim on 2/19/10

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You confuse "inner joy" with the Fake facade of the Psuedo Bourgoise Carnal So called "Christians" of today. The "AREN'T WE ALL NICE!" potluck crowd. Phonies who do NOT want to offend or rock the boat even it it means being a heretic and going against Scripture and God himself.

They simply care more about the praises of men, than the glory of God.

Imagine if I called you "SATAN" Your Phonies would just be "Shocked and Horrified!!!": But that is exactly what Jesus called his #1 Disciple Peter. Imagine that Arguement between Paul and Peter with Cursing/obscence jesters.

Wouldn't happen with todays Politically Correct Psuedo "Church Ladies"(Male/Female)
---PASTORJIM on 2/19/10

Pastor Jim ... Do you think that all that UPPER CASE adds anything to what you say.

What in fact it does is to demonstrate your own self importance, and your lack of confidence in what you say.

It shows that you fear that unless you SHOUT, no-one will take any notice you.

It's the printed version of SHOUTING and BULLYING.

And what you say shows you don't have the slightest idea of the difference between physical comfort and inner joy. Do you have inner joy?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/19/10

Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first."
---Nana on 2/18/10


Once again what I say flys right over your head. I often wonder if you are indeed saved, since anything spiritual bounces right off your flesh.

FYI.... John Wesley had a very horrible earthly life.

You need only to look at Jesus, his disciples, the prophets and all true believers vs todays "We're save by grace, now lets eat potluck.




---PASTOR_JIM on 2/18/10

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Pastor J ... I can name one great Christian who know joy! John Wesley.

In his hymn "And can it be?" he wrote "My chains fell off, my heart was free, I rose went forth and followed thee"

And if you listen to his music for that hymn, you know that he was filled with great joy.

You write as if we have to say "I'm saved, so now I am miserable"
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/18/10

As it looks to me, your problem are not those things listed above, what you seem to be lacking in all these things is THE PEACE OF THE LORD. Please try to reason what is making you to lack God's peace, are you over-struggling and not giving God room to act on your behalf?. If you cannot find it by reasoning, please go on your knees in prayer and ask the LORD to help you so that HIS PEACE would no longer elude you from NOW! With the Lord Jesus's peace it shall be well with you ALWAYS.
---Adetunji on 2/18/10

To answer the blog question-
The joy comes from knowing
1- That you are God's child!
2- That no matter what happens, God is doing it for a reason.
I know what you are going thru and I know you think there is no light at the end of the tunnel, but just hold on. And what ever you are hanging onto that isn't God, let it Go! Once you do that, You will see God working.
Didn't he tell us trials would come? Yes he did. He also told us he will not put more on us than we can bear. I personally used Job as an example. The lord gives and he takes away, Bless the name of the Lord!
Keep your eyes on God and that joy will be there.
---miche3754 on 2/18/10

Jhn 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full.
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love, in whom, though now ye see [him] not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Psa 9:2 I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing praise to thy name, O thou most High.
Psa 13:5 But I have trusted in thy mercy, my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation.
Psa 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all [ye that are] upright in heart.
2Cr 7:4 Great [is] my boldness of speech toward you, great [is] my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
---MIchael on 2/17/10

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pastor jim

your statement is
'If you are going to a church that preaches Christians should be happy, bubbly and Joyful, you are going to a Heretical church.'

if that is wrong what is your other choice? to be reminded of our guilt? sins?
---mike on 2/16/10

"Think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you as if something strange were happening". Just know that you need only stand and God can cause you to stand. Keep taking it all to the Lord for He does care for you. I will keep you in my prayers Jim. Keep the faith.
---jody on 2/16/10


I never mentioned guilt, fear, or shame on my post.

It is NOT what the Lord or His disciple felt either.

So your comment is false and misguided.

Chritianity is not for the "Light Weights"
"Save by grace!" now lets go to potluck. Carnal Bourgoise Chrisrtian crowd.

---Pastor_Jim on 2/16/10

Hang on, God is most powerful, keep trying, don't give up, persevere [to put-up with hardships], While, you may not be happy now, you will be later on, when nothing can bother you. Stay in prayer as much as you can, especially, in calmer times. Thank God for helping you, because we know that we could never make it if God were not helping us. Hope you have a more peaceful life, soon. Speaking of preachers: Most of them have had a too easy of a life.
---catherine on 2/16/10

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Sounds to me like you need to take time out... not away from church but away to a hotel that specialises in wholeness massages, detox, Health and fitness. Not the sleazy ones I went with a group of women to a one the best in the country it was fantastic!!!!


This particular hotel specialises in these things I felt so good I could have cried, I never looked at this sort of get away before and by the looks of all the people that wore a special D/gown all day. lounged around and half of the residents just slept on the sofas with a blanket and pillow. It was the best getaway I ever had.

you could pay to sleep a weekend but it costs around 500+. My day stay was 360.
---Carla on 2/16/10

Jim, this is the time for you to hang onto God's word.

Find scriptures that speak to your are some I recommend: (say the out loud every day, all day long. Write them on index cards if you have to. Or on the palm of your hands and memorize them and speak them over your life. They will bring you peace and stabalize your life.

The Lord is My Shepherd I shall not want.

The Lord God is my strength, He alone has become my salvation.

The Lord God helps me. Whenever I am afraid, I will put my trust in Him.

Psalm 91: No evil will come nigh my dwelling.

Psalm 91 at the end says: Because He has loved me, I will deliver him. Speak these out over your life every day and they will come to pass.
---Donna on 2/16/10

to pastor jim

If you are going to a church that preaches Christians should be happy, bubbly and Joyful, you are going to a Heretical church.

so does that mean you should always be full of guilt, shame, blame & fear? accept ALL you are dealing as YOUR FAULT? that is not christianity but ASCETIC belief. you have to beat yourself down as an indication of 'filled with the spirit'?

sometimes a christian should use his common sense. if there is too much pressure, he should delegate his load of work.

not all the issues of life of a christian is based on guilt shame fear.
---mike on 2/16/10

"God does not fire fathers."

Give it all, give it all, give it all to our Lord Jesus,
and He will make all the difference in all we give to Him.
So, let's give all, let's give all to Christ our King and our Groom,
and He will lead us in love dance,
every footstep shared with Him, through it all . . .
through it all, though there be more problems to give Him,
there will be blessings gift-wrapped within them,
as He feeds us His own love to live.
So, let's give all, let's give all to our Personal Lover within us,
and He will make all the difference in all we give to Him.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/15/10

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Jim If it helps, I am going through the same agony. Almost exactly.

It is always good to know that those who are closest to God have these trials. Those who are farthest from God do not have trials.

If you are going to a church that preaches Christians should be happy, bubbly and Joyful, you are going to a Heretical church.

For which Apostle had a joyful and happy life after becoming christians. In fact name any great christian who live a happy earthly life.

Only today do you see those with fame and fortune expouse this doctrine.(Rick Warren, Joel Olsteen, Joyce Myers etc)


and they have been reserved for the darkest part of Hell!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/15/10

Darlene, I am Jim... thanks and to all who are writting. As a Christian, I know that 11 of the 12 apostles were murdered... David, went through severe trials, Job as well... Joseph, (one of my favorite stories ever) went through trials. I know this and I would love to feel absolute peace... I know the love of the Lord is great. But being hit with trial after trial gets old. Pastor Jim, my favorite book of the Bible if James. Thanks... We should all pray for one another (this is basically the end of James) In fact, all of us on this blog should hold each other up in prayer.
---Jim on 2/15/10


JAMES 2:15

Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well, keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?

In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/15/10

You're dealing with some things that are in themselves depressing, and you are reacting normally.

When you're up to your tush in alligators, it's hard to remember that your original objective was to drain the swamp.

Pressure is one thing. It comes and goes.

The "joy no one takes from you" that Christ promised is NOT a constant feel-good emotion. It's the confidence that comes from knowing for certain that even should we hit bottom, we can thank God that the bottom is solid.

OTOH, if you need professional or medical help to think straight in this crisis, get it and thank God for the provision He has made for you.
---Cluny on 2/15/10

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Lets not deal in platitudes and actually do something that will help her problem.

Go a Internet search on "Progressive Relaxation" Progressive Relaxation: It is a deep muscle relaxation technique developed and published by Edmond Jacobson in 1929. He believed that the body responds to anxiety provoking thoughts and events with muscle tension. The tense muscles, in return, increase the feeling of anxiety. Deep muscle relaxation reduces physiological tension, reduces pulse rate and blood pressure, as well as decreasing perspiration and respiration rates.

This is free, it works well and you can do it almost any where other then driving or operating machinery.
---Friendly_Blogger on 2/15/10

---Darlene's answer to the question has deeply encouraged me and I pray that it has encourage you. All our problems are surface problems and the deep peace and rest in Christ that brings joy is deep within us all.
---mima on 2/15/10

Take "joy" in the fact your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Praise the Lord for all you have been given a family,a home,a mother who although ill you still have. God inhabits the Praise of his people and you let go of your cares through praise. One day at a time is God's way for humankind and that keeps you living in the moment and not staying in a worried state about whats past and can't be changed or having fear of what tomorrow may bring. Don't add up all your problems but do add up all your blessings. God is still on the throne and he still gave his son to die for our sins,thats a lot we all should be thankful for and find joy in.
---Darlene_1 on 2/15/10

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