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Lionel & Donna66 - You both are NOT in line with the Bible and call God a liar. The Holy Spirit comes inside us when we give our lives to Christ (salvation), the Holy Spirit then comes upon us with tongues as a sign when we are baptized in the Holy Spirit. These are two different occasions, NOT the same. Yes, according to the Bible if you are TRULY baptized in the Holy Spirit, the sign WILL be speaking in tongues. Say what you want, but you are argueing with God and calling Him a liar, if you believe this is not the case. I am going with what the Bible and God say, NOT what you or your Pastor say. God knows best.
---Leslie on 3/10/10

MarkE, no call to be defensive. I am asking to learn what is going on in the concept of word of knowledge and so forth. I am a learner.

You lost me with the "you can't have it both ways bub." A bit disrepectful. It seems to be either one or the other.

You are right we can't prove whether in Acts Paul already knew or knew by a gift. It's a push to base a teaching believing it is a word of knowledge.

Bear with me, I am curious as I have a friend sounding like he is getting into this. I am trying to substantiate a teaching and the reality of how it works and what good it does.
---Rod4Him on 3/10/10

MarkE, I ran out of room in my last post, but miche brought up a point I wanted to make, although maybe for different reasons.

How can "forthtelling" be done away and not other gifts? Please bear in mind, I am being inquisitive and not seeking to argue.

One ministry of the Holy Spirit is to convict, so why do we need a "word of knowledge" to convict?

A friend said a "prophetess" gave a "prophecy" over his son at a Bitz Milah, and I am trying to understand what this is.

Sounds like what you are saying is someone with the gift of knowledge may know a person has some hidden sin she/he is hidding.
---Rod4Him on 3/10/10


We no longer need the "forth telling" because of the Scriptures. We know what the Lord has said. We have His Word with us now. In the OT, they did not.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/10

Acts 5, nothing here says that was the Word of knowledge. Peter probably already knew.
---Rod4Him on 3/10/10

You can't have it both ways bub.

You cannot rule out the exercising of the word of knowledge in Acts 5 and then say "Peter probably already knew" without substantiation just to suit yourself. You have no proof that Peter already knew just as I have no proof that the word of knowledge was used.

The lack of evidence for the gifts is additional evidence that we are indeed in the last days apostasy as 2 Tim 3:5 says "having a form of godliness but denying its power".
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/10

MarkE, I Corin 12:4-10, word of wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, distinguishing spirits, tongues, interpretationas He wills.

There is no explanation of these meanings and how they are expressed. Granted, there is room for speculation and assumption here. If these are happening now, why do we need the Scriptures? I dont get it and dont see it happening, but hear about it without seeing fruit from it happening.

Please provide real current life examples of Word of knowledge and "Word of Wisdom."

Acts 5, nothing here says that was the Word of knowledge. Peter probably already knew. The same as he knew when Sapphira came in. The scripture doesnt say which it was.
thanks for answers
---Rod4Him on 3/10/10

Mark E.,

Why do you say "forth telling" is not needed anymore?
Why would you say that people don't need to be told what the Lord has to say on a matter any more?
---miche3754 on 3/10/10


1 Cor 12:4-10 (too long to include) show the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 12:28 show the offices and Spiritual manifestations in the church.

I have seen the word of knowledge manifested by seeing into situations and circumstances of people's lives that without God's knowledge would never have known. We see it in operation in Acts 5:3 when Peter "knows" about Ananias & Sapphira deceit.

The OT has much to say on prophesy and is about both "fore telling" (the future) and "forth telling" (Thus saith the Lord). The "forth telling" is no longer needed but the "fore telling" still is. I believe David Wilkerson has the gift of prophesy.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/10

Mark E how do you build up the Body of Christ without proclaiming the Gospel?
---michael_e on 3/10/10

Unless I missed something, there are TWO reasons given in Eph 4:12. Equipping the saints, and building up the body of Christ.

You and Lionel were saying in previous posts that your opinion on these "sign" gifts were they were ONLY used as a sign to unbelievers proclaiming the gospel.

I think this verse contradicts that opinion.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/10

lionel, There are the natural languages of earth, and the nonearthly language of heaven. And people not having the tongues from God commonly confuse the two and diss the heavenly tongues because they cannot understand the things of the Spirit, and they do not have spiritual discernment and therefore cannot receive the things from God. God not only speaks every single language on earth, but we also speak the one language in heaven. And people confuse the "tongues of men" in Acts chapter 2, with the "tongues of angels" in Acts chapter 14. These are not the same tongues, man's learned language is not God's nonlearned language. The source of glossalalia comes straight from heaven, and not from any scholastic studies on earth.
---Eloy on 3/10/10

---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/10
The gifts were not given only to proclaim the gospel or to only serve as signs to the unglodly, they were also given for:

Eph 4:12 "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ,"

Mark E how do you build up the Body of Christ without proclaiming the Gospel?
---michael_e on 3/10/10

Mark E, //I believe there are those with the gift of prophesy and the word of knowledge. Are they frauds too?//

Mark, please explain what these are, and the scripture that explains them?

Could you give me some examples of how prophesy and word of knowledge express themselves, who does this, situations, and what is said for each? I am curious.

---Rod4Him on 3/10/10

Mark E, I don't believe that the enemy has deceived anyone concerning the Baptism of the Spirit. I think many times we attribute mistakes we make ourselves to the enemy. I believe that the door could open for him to have a hay day if arguments starts. And that is what happens many times when this topic comes up.
Those who do and those who don't. Pride takes over and words are said.
One passage that means a lot in understanding this subject is "One Lord, One faith, One baptism." Eph. 4:5. "One baptism" evidently belongs to the same group as "One Lord" and "One faith", means all Christians.
---MarkV. on 3/10/10

Leslie -- The passages you cite in Acts do NOT say that Speaking in tongues is a SIGN of anything. Neither do they teach the SIGNIFICANCE of the gift.
They also do NOT say the baptism of the Holy Spirit is ALWAYS in connection with anything!

These passages in Acts merely describe what happened at Pentecost. They don't lay down any "rules" for the future.

Acts 2:2-4 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
---Donna66 on 3/9/10

His job is to baptize new born baby belivers into the body(church)of Christ.
---lionel on 3/9/10

The word is SEALED, not baptize.

2 Cor 1:22 "who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge"

Eph 1:13 "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise"

Eph 4:30 "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/10


I am being deceived by Satan because I have a gift of the Holy Spirit that you do not? Sorry, I do not think so. That sounds like the scribes accusing Jesus of casting out demons because he came from the devil.

If I was a real soldier I would have armor, weapons, provisions, etc. The spiritual gifts are nothing more that equipment for us to use for the good of the body and the work that God has for us to do.

I agree with you that the OFFICES of Prophet and Apostle have ended. However, there is a gift of prophesy that is being manifested in our midst.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/10

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Leslie Leslie Leslie:
The scripture you quoted states tongues as of fire sat on them.
Have you or any one you know ever witnessed any thing like that?
I know the answer has to be nooooooooooo.
And the next scripture state they were all FILLED with the SPIRIT,not baptized by the SPIRIT.
Remember the holy spirit is the baptizer.
His job is to baptize new born baby belivers into the body(church)of Christ.
---lionel on 3/9/10

To my dear bro Mark Eaton:
I myself would not call you a fraud,but You must realize that the enemy is master of deception, elusion.
The people who dilivered up Jesus to be Crucifyed thought they were doing God's service.
DO the tongues you speak edify the body or self.
Gifts are not for personal use,only to edify the body(build up).
I never said all gifts.
Nomore prophets,apostles gone.
They are a part of the body thats with the Lord,no longer on earth.
---lionel on 3/9/10

Lionel & Donna66 - You both are WRONG. According to Acts 2:3-4 the baptism of the Holy Spirit is ALWAYS in connection to speaking in tongues, or it is NOT the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is a sign that you HAVE recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit, anything else is NOT the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I am going by what the Bible says, so if you argue with this, you are arguing with God.
---Leslie on 3/9/10


The gifts were not given only to proclaim the gospel or to only serve as signs to the unglodly, they were also given for:

Eph 4:12 "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ,"

The church still needs equipping and still needs building up. For this reason, God still gives gifts to us, in different measure, according to the faith give to each of us. Nothing has changed about this except our perception and acceptance of the gifts themselves.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/10

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lionel has been right on with his posts, backing it up with scripture. I can see a couple of gifts he has just from reading his posts 1. He has the most important gift,that being salvation. 2. He has the gift of wisdom, he is able to use scripture not just thoughts.
---michael_e on 3/9/10

I don't believe the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit is always accompanied by the gift of tongues. They are two separate things. However. I agree that "you must receive what god has for you by faith.
You cannot please him otherwise."

This is how the baptism in the Holy Spirit
is received... by faith. That doesn't mean it is necessarily devoid of "feelings", but "feelings" are never proof of anything.
---Donna66 on 3/9/10

The time of tongues had had had it's season.
---lionel on 3/8/10

I have let you have your say, everyone has congratulated you, now I must interrupt your celebration.

If you insist on saying that these gifts had their time, why is the HS still giving them out?

You must not have the gift of tongues, but I do unless you consider me a fraud. I do not have the gift of interpretation so I do not use the gift during the assembly of people. However, I use it during prayer.

I believe there are those with the gift of prophesy and the word of knowledge. Are they frauds too?

What gifts has God given to you?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/10

Lionel, your answer is very true indeed. I did consentrate on the gift of tongues because it is the one gift that brings more problems when discussing it. But you are right about how every born again believer is baptist into one body which is the spiritual Church, called the body of Christ which one day will be the bride of Christ. The same Spirit is within every genuine believer. And that when we ask for more of the Spirit we are actually asking for more of His manifistation in our lives. Again thanks for bringing us back to the main question.
---MarkV. on 3/9/10

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#1 Bro Eloy:If you found that the tongue movement of today was not the same as pentecost,when 3thousand heard the gospel and where saved.Would that cause your faith in christ to change.The scripture you mention,about son and daughters, read on down where it states"in that day I will show wonders in the earth & heaven,blood fire pillows of smoke,the sun shall turn into darkness and the moon into blood,in that day".That day is yet to come.Theres no repeat of pentecost.You must accept the baptism by trusting the word of God.Once you believe that Christ die for your sin, buired,that He rose fmom the grave,You are SAVED BORN AGAIN BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT into the body of CTRIST(church).
---lionel on 3/9/10

#2Bro Eloy:
Feeelings,emotions or of the flesh.
The SCRIPTUE states that flesh and blood shall not enter the kingdom.
You can't trust how you feel to tell you have received the baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT.
Feelings changes.
---lionel on 3/9/10

---lionel on 3/8/10 amen on your post, you are "rightly dividing the word of truth"
---michael_e on 3/9/10

lionel-Glossalalia shows the Holy Ghost baptism: "For with stammering of lip and with another tongue will he speak to this people. And here I send the promise from Father of me upon you. And these signs will follow them that believe: In my name they will speak with new tongues. The Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, because on the general class also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. For the speaking in a tongue, not the man speaks, but of God: for no one follows, but the Spirit speaks mysteries." Is.28:11,12+ Lk.24:49+ Mk.16:17+ Acts 10:44-46+ I Cor.14:2.
---Eloy on 3/9/10

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The question was about baptism not tongues.
From the answers you all post it would seem like the 2(tongues,baptism) are inseparable.
I think it was Solomon that said to every time theres a season.
The time of tongues had had had it's season.
Jesus said"when the confoter come he will not speak of himself but take things of mine and show unto you".
The holy spirit is the baptizer.
His(h s)is the one who takes that new born christan(borne again)and baptize he she into the body of Christ,you cant see it taking place,you cant feel it taking place.
It(baptism)must be received by FAITH.
And with out FAITHit is imposible to please GOD.
---lionel on 3/8/10

Donna66, thank you for your answer. I'm glad you understood why I was not pursuing the subject. Keep the good work you are doing sister, and peace I leave you with a lot of blessings
---MarkV. on 3/8/10


The Gift of Tongues is supposed to enable one to speak in an unknown tongue. However, speaking in a known tongue is a totally different matter.
---StrongAxe on 3/8/10

Kimberly, If you are a Christian and you want the baptism of the Holy Spirit, then you yourself should pray to Jesus and ask him for it. And when you want something from the Lord, you should go to the Lord yourself in prayer and personally ask of him, you should not go to some other person to go to the Lord on your behalf.
---Eloy on 3/7/10

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If you wish to recieve baptism in the Holy Spirit - here is how: Acts 2:1-4 - (1) they were altogether in one place waiting for something, (2) Holy Spirit came to rest on ALL of them, and they ALL were filled with the baptism (not just a select few), (3) they did the speaking as the spirit enabled them - YOU must speak (open your mouth), and the Holy Spirit will start to enable you to speak mysteries to God (1 Corinthians 14:2). In you speaking, don't let your mind bring doubt to you, but just allow your spirit man to flow in tune with the Holy Spirit. It might seem funny at first, but if you speak, the Holy Spirit will start to speak through you.
---Leslie on 3/7/10

MarkV -- I agree entirely that there is no need to make "tongues" a point of contention. I never have.

I have dear Christian friends on both sides. I used to NOT believe, so I have nothing against anyone who doesn't. It certainly is nothing on which salvation, nor one's spirituality, depends. (But, out of curiosity, I'd read any scripturally based arguments on the internet)

I'm giving up on the predestination-free-choice issue. I lean toward predestination... BUT if bitternes enters me, it is not worth an opponent giving up their good testimony because of rancor. The disagreement is centuries old. As for my own salvation, I will say as the blind man, "this one thing I know. Once I was blind, but now I see.'
---Donna66 on 3/7/10

Hi Donna66, I would like to explain the context of 1 Cor. 12,13,14, to you but due to lack of space and time, I cannot. You are welcome to what you believe on the matters of tongues for that subject is a very touchy subject for many and the end results are never good, they cause division within those who do and those who don't. I have witnessed this myself many times. I don't believe it is an essential of the Christian faith, but a none essential. So I give a reply, state what know, and try very hard to move on. Too much pride is involve in the subject. I don't mind fighting for salvation by Grace through faith, and not from the works of man. That from beginning to end our salvation is attributed to God along. I leave you peace and blessings
---Mark_V on 3/7/10

MarkV -- somehow, even if I try, I don't hear the sarcasm of Paul in I cor 14: 14-15.
To me, "tongue" and "tongues" are simply singular and plural. Nothing more.

The main point of the chapter is: Prophesy is more valuable than tongues in the church. It is foolish to use tongues among others who do not understand. He follows this last idea saying (I Cor 14:16). For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. (because he does not understand). He doesn't say tongues in themselves are "foolish"!

In (1Cr 14:14-15) he describes praying in tongues vs with understanding, saying that, he himself, does both.

This doesn't sound "hypothetical" to me.
---Donna66 on 3/6/10

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The Holy Spirit has an array of possible gifts, Glossolalia is just one of them. Some of the Gifts are generally more generally useful then others. A cup of cool water to a drowning man is not that useful, the same cup of water to some one is the desert is. Time and location make a difference. Strive for gifts that can help you and other the most.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/6/10

Lionel, that was very good. Thank you for sharing with everyone.
---MarkV. on 3/6/10

We are baptized INto Jesus's body BY God's Holy spirit.

The baptism OF/with the Holy Spirit consecrates the INNER temple (us the individual) to the OUTER temple (Jesus).

The LIVING water that flowed from Christ's side at the cross (1 John 5:6, John 7:38) is the WATER BAPTISM that we need so that we "neither thirst" (Revelation 7:16).

Acts 1:5
"for John baptized with [H2O] water, but before many days you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit".

The Israelites were baptized into Moses, but we are baptized into JESUS.

1 Corinthians 10:2
"and all were baptized into Moses".

Ephesians 4:5
---more_excellent_way on 3/6/10

AMEN Lionel

What you wrote many people don't want to hear or know even though it is true.
---Rob on 3/5/10

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---lionel on 3/5/10
Thank you for a biblical post
---michael_e on 3/5/10

Sign gifts

Most people have problems with,the substance of things hope for,evidence of things unseen.
So they rely on some experence in order to believe(make believe)in the word of God.
Tongues is baby food.
They also miss enterpet the BAPTISM OF THE SPIRIT,it to must be receive by faith.
The HOLLY SPIRIT is the one who baptize the believer into the body of CHRIST,the instant one believe in the finish work of CHRIST.That is the baptism of the holly spirit.
One has to receive these things by Faith(trusting,beliving)in the word of GOD.
Whit out it(FAITH) is imposible to please GOD,
One other thing no gift is for any personal use,it is to edify(build up)the body of CHRIST.
---lionel on 3/5/10

Larry, I do not attribute the gibberish to the enemy. It is spoken on command, for I have seen it myself. I can actually say it was scary. I believe it is just prideful boasting of having the speech. Pride does not come from the enemy, but from within us. Our flesh. That is what I believe it is, because its not understandable. Tongues "plural" was understandable.
I believe the focus should be what was happening in the Corinthian Church. And we have to remember there was no New Testament for people to check what was authentic and what was not. Also many converts came with their own theologies from paganism and heathenism. The Church started good but became a very troubled Church for Paul.
---MarkV. on 3/5/10

Mark E... I see no reason for sign gifts for this Churhh age the Body of Christ. If you have a complete word of God why wouId you need sign gifts? To show what?
---michael_e on 3/4/10

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Mark V - you have a similar view to that of John MacArthur. I have a question about the gibberish of which I have witnessed often. Do you believe this gibberish, spoken on command by the believer, is just gibberish or mimicry by the enemy.
I have been in a AOG church where the gibberish was given an interpretation leading the congregation to believe in its authenticity. "Glossolalia" however clearly is transalated "human language".

One would think the gift would be commonplace among foreign missionaries as straight out of Pentecost.. Hmmmmm.
---larry on 3/4/10

Michael E:

Then you believe that these gifts and offices were for that day and are NOT for the church of today?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/4/10

Donna66 #2: At that point, he stopped speaking hypothetically about counterfeit tongue speaking. He actually had more occasions to use the true gift than all of them (though we have no record of a specific instance). He knew the true gift and had used it properly. It is interesting, however, that the NW Testament makes no mention of Paul's actually exercising that gift, but only that he said he did. Nor thus Paul in his own writing makes mention of a specific use of it by any Christian.
The Corinthians were a troubled bunch, involve in so many wrong things within the Church. Hope that helps some, blessings
---MarkV. on 3/4/10

Sister Donna66, I have explained this already before to Rodney but it went out his other ear. 1 Cor. 14:14-17, Paul continued to speak sarcastically about counterfeit tongues, so he used the singular "tongue" which refers to the fake gift. He was speaking hypothetically to illustrate the foolishness and pointlessness of speaking in ecstatic gibberish. The speaker could not understand, and what virtue is there in praying to God or praising God without understanding? No one can "Amen" such nonsense. Paul emphasized that by writing all of this, he was not condemning genuine tongues (Plural) nor as some my have thought to accuse him, was he envious of a gift he did not possess.
---MarkV. on 3/4/10

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MarkV- Just as I said. "Praying in the spirit" doesn't look like anything especially. Praying in tongues doesn't need to be anything "eye popping" (and usually isn't) whether it is done silently or aloud.

PAUL says:
1Cr 14:14-15 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
A couple verses later he says:
1Cr 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

The focused sincere prayer you describe is just as effective, if you are not at a loss for words.
---Donna66 on 3/4/10

Mark Eaton, the Corinthian saints didn't have the printed word. If we need a prophet, open the Book, if you need some knowledge ask and read it's in there. As for the sign gifts, for instance healing gifts, why are hospitals over crowded.
Miracles, is there a greater miracle than your salvation?
---michael_e on 3/4/10

Donna66, praying in the Spirit does not look like anything. There is no eye popping look to praying in the Spirit. What praying in the Spirit refers to is to always focus on submission, as we line up with the will of God (Romans 8:26.27). You could be praying in silent or with your mouth. It does not mean by any ecstatic form of prayer, but simply a call to pray consistently in the will and power of the Spirit as one would pray in the name of Jesus Christ.
When a person is in the will of God, he is praying in the Spirit.
---MarkV. on 3/4/10


If you would read closely you would see I said SIGN GIFTS.
---lionel on 3/3/10

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Lionel, Michael:

So ALL of the gifts listed in 1 Cor 12 were only for the time of the Apostles?

Word of wisdom?
Word of knowledge?
Gifts of healing?
Faith by the Spirit?
Effecting miracles?
Discerning of Spirits?

Wow. What about the offices in 1 Cor 12, are they also outdated?

---Mark_Eaton on 3/3/10

Elaine -- Many people understand what you are saying. There are times when any Christian, I believe, is quite unsure how to pray, (even when a person/situation is desperately in need of prayer!) The Lord may reveal to them how to pray, but if not, He still honors their desire to pray. Praying "in the Spirit" allows one to be assured that their prayer has been assisted by the Holy Spirit, even if they themselves do not know the content. This certainly "builds you up in your most Holy faith."

For Mark Eaton ("what does it look like"?) What does anyone praying "look like"? The only difference may be what it sounds like if one is praying aloud.
---Donna66 on 3/3/10

When I don't know how to pray, or what to ask help for, I appeal for the Holy Spirit's guidance to help me. Though I do not understand the words, I cling to the knowledge that God knows my heart, and the things I need. As the Holy Spirit prays, be that with audible words I do not understand, my mind, in prayer, comes alongside in the moment, and by faith I believe the Holy Spirit is presenting my case for what is best for me in my circumstances.
---Elaine on 3/3/10

---lionel on 3/3/10 Thank you for a "rightly divided post

---Mark_Eaton on 3/2/10
What does it look like when you pray in the Holy Spirit?

Try Rom 8:26
---michael_e on 3/3/10

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The word of God says the greek seeks wisdom.
The jews seeks SIGN.
Thoes(signs)gifts were given to the apostles,so that they(jews)would know that these men(apos)were artintic.
At the end of Pauls ministrie,Paul left one of his travling compaion sick.
Paul said that those signs shall cease.

Look at some thing for a moment.
How many times the word tongues is mention in the entire BIBLE.
Now look at words such as Faith,Trust, Believe,which words are most emphised.
People unskill in the word(and they are many)believe that tongues are for today.
Paul says that they are in need of sencere milk of the word.
---lionel on 3/3/10

To the people who have problems with speaking in unknown tongues, please describe what is happening in the last part of this verse:

Jude 1:20 "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit"

What does it look like when you pray in the Holy Spirit?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/2/10

"---Nana Simon's problem was he wanted to purchase with money to gift."
Exactly. He was not ready to receive it, a thing which goes against the "just ask" ministry.
Luke 1:17 "and he will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready for the Lord a people prepared."
Luke 1:76 "And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High, for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways,"

The pattern is laid, but, who follow and teach it?
---Nana on 3/2/10

To my bro & sisters in Christ.
When one receives Jesus as savior,he is born again by the Spirit,and baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body[church]of Christ.
All this takes place the instant you believe in the finish work of Jesus.
It is received by FAITH +nothing else.
If one has to see something or feel something,it is no longer Faith.
With outFAITH it is IMPOSIBLE top lease GOD

no tongues needed
The Holly Spirit is the baptizer
---lionel on 3/2/10

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"-Ignatius your statement "This is in line with Holy Tradition (Holy Scriptures, the writings of the Early Church Fathers, the first even Holy Ecumenical Councils).Serves to classify you and consequently show limited ability to think clearly.( RCC clouds your vision)." (mima)

And I have told you time after time that I am not a Catholic, neither a Roman [Latin] Catholic nor a Eastern Catholic, thus I am not a member of the RCC. Your Anti-Catholic, Romeforbia upbring has twisted your mind and now you see "Catholicism" in every the Catholic boggy man in every corner?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/2/10

Heavenly Father, most High God, your mercies are ever with those who believe on your Name. Father, as your word states in John 14:26, you will send your Comforter unto those who believe in you. Lord, hear the appeal of this one who seeks your council, that they might realize the presence of your Holy Spirit. For where two or more are gathered in your name, there you are in the midst. Thank you, Lord, for what you will bring to pass...let your name be glorified. In Christ Jesus, Amen.
---Elaine on 3/2/10

J: What you are describing is what I call the salvation experience. I truly believe that at the time of salvation is when we are indwelled/baptized by the Holy Spirit. Anything prior to that is an experience of being drawn by God and thereby feeling various convictions. But when we truly accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour in our Spirit, then at that time the Spirit takes residence in our heart. There is also a Salvation Day and that happens when Jesus returns.
---jody on 3/2/10

I pray that you be guided by the Holy Spirit and if the spirit happens to anoint you to spread the gospel in a previously unknown language so be it. The word "glossolalia" in Greek means human language.

You've probably already been baptized by the Holy Spirit and humans raised your doubts. Do you currently have the ability to do what God wants you to do? If the answer is yes you've been anointed to get busy and you have everything you need.

Seek the fruits of the spirit and the gifts of the spirit will come to you in God's time. Not all gifts but all that you need for obediance.
---larry on 3/2/10

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Why is it that we can use Acts 2:4, 2:38, but not 2:36, 3:1 Acts 4:31-35 Acts 5:1-10 just to name a few. we have no problem with speaking in tongues that happened then, but we want no part of the rest of this Jewish feast day. If Peter was part of ALL of this, why stop with Acts 2:38?
---michael_e on 3/2/10

I will pray! I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and I was not raised in a church. I was not even taught that there was a baptism of fire. But after seeking the Lord through worship, prayer, and fasting just because I felt led - I woke up one morning feeling as if I was floating, I felt extreme peacefulness, etc. This lasted for months along with miraculous things that are too long to mention. But Jesus Christ is alive and wants to baptize you. Also, I did not receive tongues until 5 years later. Tongues is a gift, not the baptism itself.
---J on 3/2/10

By the way, don't let anyone tell you that the being baptized by fire and baptized by water are the same thing because they are not. I was raised thinking that I was a Christian. But got baptized by water at 27 confessing w/my mouth and believing in my heart. Conviction by the Holy Spirit began distinctively at that time. But it wasn't until 3 years later that I got baptized by fire where I then began to receive Spiritual gifts. There is a definite difference.
---J on 3/2/10

First I want to say this answer is what I believe also.
"The Bible makes it quite clear that tongues is one of the possible manifestions of the Holy Spirit, not an essential one."
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/2/10

---Nana Simon's problem was he wanted to purchase with money to gift.

---Cluny speaking in tongues does not make you supersmart pn the secular world.

---lione l believe the gift is a evidence but not an essential one.

---Ignatius your statement "This is in line with Holy Tradition (Holy Scriptures, the writings of the Early Church Fathers, the first even Holy Ecumenical Councils).Serves to classify you and consequently show limited ability to think clearly.( RCC clouds your vision).
---mima on 3/2/10

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Kimberly, read the first six chapters of the book of Acts. It will tell you that the Baptism is given by the laying on of hands by someone who already has Him.

I have heard that God can baptize you without the laying on of hands and I believe that, but have never met anyone yet that hasn't had hands laid on them and the Spirit of God Baptizes that person with the Holy Ghost Baptism.

This will bring controversary to others on this board and I fully expect arguments to this, but it's in the book of Acts and I like to follow the Word of God.
---Donna on 3/2/10

In the Eastern Churches, "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" is nothing more than the holy mystery of Christmation by which a baptized person is granted the gift of the Holy Spirit through anointing with oil. As Holy baptism is a personal participation in the death and Resurrection of Christ, so Chrismation is a personal participation in the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

This is line with Holy Tradition (Holy Scriptures, the writings of the Early Church Fathers, the first even Holy Ecumenical Councils).

Why pray for something that is easily accessible through this Holy Mystery (Sacrament)? Don't tell me you believe in the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" as understood by modern day Pentecostals!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/2/10

The word said our walk is by FAITH.
With out FAITH it is imposible to please GOD.
If one need a flease to believe it is no of FAITH.
When one believe that tongues,is some evidence today they are in need of milk.
---lionel on 3/2/10

\\So feel free to ask for that manifestation.
---mima on 3/1/10\\

Why is it that people who have the gift of tongues have as much trouble leaning Biblical Hebrew and Greek as those not so favored?
---Cluny on 3/1/10

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How about this one mima:
Luke 11:13: "If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
What was Simon's problem in not receiving the Holy Ghost in Acts 8? Was it that he asked not God but some disciples? Was it that he wanted to buy the gift?
At any event and therefore, is there or could there be anything in us that would prevent us from receiving the Holy Ghost? Comments?
---Nana on 3/2/10

The Bible makes it quite clear that tongues is one of the possible manifestions of the Holy Spirit, not an essential one.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/2/10

Receiving The Holy-Ghost with the evidence with other tounges, according to the Lord & His 1 & only plan of salvation Acts 2 v's 37-41 &
it Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20. The whole chapter of Acts.
You get into heaven God's way Not mans way.
---Lawrence on 3/2/10

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