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Is The Gap Theory Biblical

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Allow me to take a little heat for a moment.

Fellow Christians,
A whole lot of confusion can be cleared up about what happened before Adam was created by eliminating the notion that, at any time, a once good angel named Lucifer rebelled, became evil and fell from Heaven(God's Realm)to the earth that already existed(all according to writings found in Isaiah and Ezekiel?)
Did not happen!
A TREE fell in Isaiah specifically referring to Nebucadnezzar, the "future" king of Babylon. Isaiah14 is confirmed in Daniel chapter4. Do the contextual reading that you all so aptly tell others to do. Lucifer/heylel is about a man falling like a tree from heaven aka the sky.
It's not about an angel!
---Legends on 3/9/10

Has anyone considered God's time?

This is one of those debates that is frivolous, but let's reason this out.

First of all, the bible already says the God created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Second, most of you are looking at time in a worldly perspective, but have you tried looking at it in God's point of view? Now consider this: Let's say that the last three days of creation are days in which we, as humans, understand. Now, in God's perspective, each day was one second. Then He calculated backwards the time he created the first three days and, voila, six seconds in His time and six days in our time.
---Steveng on 3/9/10

Not that it makes a difference to me, but the 24 hour day as we know it would not have been possible until day 3 or 4 when the Sun, moon, stars, and planets were created and put into their respective rotations. Now, maybe God just turned out the lights after a 24 hour period on days 1-3. It makes no difference to my faith though and is not essential to my salvation.
---obewan on 3/9/10

Peter Genesis 1 & 2 are not two different versions of creation. In fact as recorded in Matthew 19: 4-6, and Mark 10:5-9 Jesus combines Genesis 1:27 and 2:24 that man was made at the beginning of creation and that Adam and Eve became one flesh. No suggestion there that He the Creator thought they were two conflicting versions of creation.

Genesis Ch. 1 covers the creation of everything.

Genesis Ch.2 is man-centered, recapping the creation of the man and woman, providing details not proveded in Ch.1. It is not another creation account as it doesn't mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc.

I hope that helps.
---Warwick on 3/9/10

Miche, nowhere in the Bible does it say the days of creation were long, as I have previously shown.

The only reason to imagine that long-ages exist is if you have accepted the nonBiblical and scientifically unproveable idea of long-ages.

Long-ages always accompany evolution and the evolutionary story places death of man and animals before Adam's sin. This idea contradicts God's word, in many places, and undermines the historical foundation of the gospe. See Romans 5: 12, 14, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 15: 21, 22.

But you and others say it doesn't matter. Strange Christians!
---Warwick on 3/9/10

remember Peter3594 Evolution timeline and Biblical timeline are very different
Evolution goes universe, stars, sun, Earth, moon, plants, marine animals, land animals, flight, man.
Bible goes Earth and universe, light, plants, sun, moon, stars, marine, flight, land, man.
very big difference.
Here's a question, accoriding to the Bible, what day were the dinosaurs created?
Now, what is preventing us from believing this?.. because most everyone else doesn't?... maybe because of isotropic dating methods?...
Have we did enough research to determine what is the truth or do we just listen and believe?... The Bereans searched...
---MIchael on 3/9/10

It is also awesome to discuss the Bible and each others thoughts without all the negativity. I beleive in the accuracy of each day. Them being numbered and having 1 morning/evening constitutes a normal day/revolution of the Earth, now I can't say for sure it was a 24hr day, but I do beleive they are of all equal length because of the wording and since day 4 had the sun to show us time, the revolution of the Earth corresponded equally to all 6 days. As far as creating imperfect, I'm more under the impression that God created all the necessary elements 1:1-2 and then formed them (let the earth bring forth, let the waters bring forth, formed from dust) so it was not as much imperfect as much as showing future nations that matter was not eternal.
---MIchael on 3/9/10

Thanks for your comments Michael, There is no joy like discussing the bible. (you can't find many people who study it enough to discuss it)
Good comment on Isa 45:18, I just don't think a perfect God would create an imperfection and take millions of years to form it (like the evolutionist think)
In Job 38:4-7 Satan had not yet fallen and all of these sons of God did not follow him when he did fall. (I'm sure you don't buy Larkins teaching about Genesis 6:1-4 but those are the ones that followed him)The context of II Peter 3 is "the beginning of the creation" (end of verse 4) not Noah's flood. Everyone misreads that! The "stars" in Isa 14:13 are angels like in Rev 1:20 and Job 38:7 (sorry, I'm out of space to continue)
---James on 3/9/10

The statements in Gensis 1 (the account in Gensis 2 does not list the days) does indeed list days (one day, two days, etc), but as the sun and moon had not been created until day 4 is it possible to take these as days that were not of exactly 24 hours? When I hear too much about evolution, I often (mentally) switch to 'the age when animals were created' (day 5), the age when fish were created (day 4) etc. Is this wrong?
---peter3594 on 3/9/10

answer for Peter3594
The correct order of the creation events are given in Genesis chapter 1. In chapter two, the Holy Spirit gives a summary of some of the events that occured in chapter 1. (notice the wording in Genesis 2:4) The reaccounting of these events are not in the order which they happened. Notice, the day of each event is not given in chapter two like it is in chapter one. A summary of events don't have to be in chronoligal order. Thank you for beleiving God's Word even when it appears to have contradictions. (of course it don't)
---James on 3/9/10

Peter: You're in good company. We all have questions about many things in the Bible. Frankly, we're all going to leave the planet "one day" wondering about something(s) in the Bible. I think that's okay so long as our "faith" is in the Author of the Bible -- God.

I believe G.1 & 2 is worded as such to 1st get & then keep our attention as God meticulously ties everything together. G. 1 & 2 sets the stage for all else occuring in the Bible & in our day-to-day lives.

Pay attention to what God says in your heart about what He has said in the Bible. Be patient & spend time daily sitting & learning at His feet. :)
---Leon on 3/9/10

Peter: You're in good company -- continued.

I exceeded the word limitations before I could make one final point. Life still "first appears in the waters" every day, male sperm to the female ovary to the womb & breaking of the water in the birth canal. See God in action! Isn't He great!!! :)
---Leon on 3/9/10

---peter3594 your outline seemed to point out the validity of the gap theory. Both timelines can be correct if the gap theory is allowed to be in place.
Your post was an eye-opener for me.
---mima on 3/9/10

I hope these do not make me seem like I doubt the Bible - I do not... I just want to point out there are some comments in it that I find hard to take literally. The first is the difference between Genesis 1 and 2. In Genesis 1, life appears first in the waters (1:20-23), then animals on land (24-25) and then man (1:26-31), while genesis 2 lists man as being formed first Gen 2:7, then animal life 2:18-20 and then woman 2:21-23. Can anyone help me with taking the account literally (which I want to do)?
---peter3594 on 3/9/10

I am going to say I agree with Markv, James, Char, mima.
They all make very valid and scriptural points.

Stating there are long dates does not contradict the Bible and it explains Dinos, and many other unexplainable things.
I am not trying to even figure out what God's thinking is. I am really seeing the wonder of how he does things.
How do you, Warwick really know that God really meant 6 literal days?
Since God is not restricted to time, I believe when he creates things that is not restricted to time either until he says so.
---miche3754 on 3/9/10

Thanks Elder for clearly & correctly answering the GAP question which is a major pit fall (chasm) in the Bible understanding of many. I get it & pray others will also!
---Leon on 3/9/10

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Isa 45:18--Sounds to me like He created it and formed it.--What it doesn't say is that He created it already formed.
Job 38:4-7 The sons of God (angels connected with satan)shouted for joy? Are you listening to yourself?
Sons of God are interpreted here as angels as in the host of heaven, hence the morning stars, not living on earth, living where they do now.
2Pet 3,4-6 talks about Noah's flood.
Isa 14 says Lucifer wanted to be exalted above the stars and clouds. When were they made?
God said everything was very good after the sixth day, so I am going to suggest that Lucifer(Satan) fell after the sixth day before the tempting in the garden.
---MIchael on 3/9/10

Mima ... Gen 1 9 & 10 refer to appearance of land where there had previously been just water ... the reverse of a flood.

Genesis says that in the beginning the world was covered by water. It was just there from the start ... not the result of a flood.

Flood means inundation by water of land that we previously dry (as happened with Noah) There is nothing bto suggest that the Genesis 1.2 water had got there by a flood ... it was there from the start

There is nothing to suggest that original water was there because of a flood.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/9/10

There is no specific time recorded when Lucifur fell from heaven but it was before Adam and Eve sinned. What we do know is the by the six day Genesis 2:1, "Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them" were finished" The seveth day God rested. And from 2:1, the seventh day of rest, to 3:1 when Eve was tempted, no amount of time is given by Scripture.
There is no mention whatsoever that Lucifur was mentioned before the heavens and the earth were created and before all the host of heaven were in place as reported on Genesis 2:1.
---MarkV. on 3/9/10

Something had to take place to cause the earth to become "without form and void" (Gen 1:2) Because Isa 45:18 states that God did not create the earth without form and void. There were living beings here before Adam (Job 38:4-7) Of course, they were not human beings, Adam was the first) These "Sons of God" were created beings (angels) connected with Satan. (Job 1:6) Lucifer and these beings must have been on the original earth (mentioned in II Peter 3:4-6) He rebelled against God (Isa 14:12-15) and God destroyed the original earth (II Pet3:6) Gen 1:3-23 is a restoration before God creates man. For more study on this, see the blog "what are the waters in Gen 1:2".
---James on 3/9/10

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Further to my earlier answer, I would question the long dates that bring about the need for millions of years. As has been mentioned, carbon dating is not accurate. To me, there are so many assumptions required to get millions of years to fit the age of the earth and many findings are circular (Age of rock dated by age of bones found in it dated by age of rock found in... Trees found whole but covered across millions of years of rock... Caves re-aged). Science is: the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. (Too many assumptions get used)
---simon7348 on 3/9/10

Firstly, I don't believe the gap theory is Biblical, and whilst I view it important that we see the Bible as it is written (if only because I find people are confused easily between the Bible records and science), I would agree that the most important need is for people to repent of their sins to God, believing, through faith in Jesus Christ alone, that His blood atones for those sins. It is not my (or any of our) place(s) to decide who is or isn't saved - that falls to God alone. Personally I find it much clearer discounting the gap theory (for a number of the reasons cited earlier) as I don't see how it fits without changing meanings. I look forward to the day I no longer worry about the unnecessary.
---simon7348 on 3/9/10

Donna the Gap Theory is just another failed attempt to make God's word compatible with man's changing long-ages/evolutionary theories.

Like all the others it fails miserably as it undermines the historical foundation for the gospel. Read Romans 5: 12, 14, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 15: 21, 22, and you will see that the only gospel is based upon the equally historical fact that death entered the world only after Adam's sin. The Gap Theory and the other nonBiblical theories place death before Adam. Gospel undermined but you say it doesn't matter!

What denomination do you attend? Not a rhetorical question.
---Warwick on 3/9/10

man isn,t it just marvelous how the human race wants to explain everything. Let me ask just how can God be explained?If men cant even understand women,or better yet each other,how can they perceive to understand the unexplainable?
---tom2 on 3/9/10

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---alan8566_of_uk we understand that the water covered all the earth(flood) by reading Genesis 1:9-10
"9-And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10-And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."
---mima on 3/9/10

Donna66: "If there is one, it would be an indeterminate length of time between God creating a world that "was without form and void" and God executing His next creative act. We DO NOT know."

He told us in His own words:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth
---jerry6593 on 3/9/10

It makes no difference what any of us believes, it doesn't change whats true. Neither you nor I wrote or inspired the bible, God did. If we would each read the Word and wait for God to speak to our minds, hearts or whatevah else we got's, maybe we wouldn't show how ignorant we are. Don't you think God sits in heaven and laughs at our little arguments? Are our questions important? Absolutely! I use my mind and contemplate scripture every day. But I don't believe what I come up with or what someone else tells me just because it makes sense to me. I bring my questions and ideas to God and ask Him to make me sure whats true by His Spirit. He is able to do so you know, after all He is God...continued
---kirksaaa on 3/8/10

I believe that the "Gap" between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 was less than one second. Or how ever long it took God to say, "This is what I did (v1) and this is how I did it.(v2)"
---Elder on 3/8/10

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Mima ... Why do you need a "gap" because of the waters mentioned in Gen 1.2?

It does not say there was a flood ... it just says the spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.

The water was there ... that does not mean there had been a flood.

If it had said the spirit of God moved over the ground ... would you assume that there had previously been water there, and it had dried up? Would you say then that there had been a huge drought?

NO, the water just was there, as the world had been created
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/8/10

The gap theory, by whatever name and what ever length of time, did take place. The fact is we have the surface of the earth covered entirely with water twice, we have Noah's flood and we also have the time described in Genesis first two. Taken together they represent two floods. My acceptance of the gap theory is what brought on my belief in two floods. While discussing this with some pastors one man suddenly said, oh my goodness there were two floods. No other conclusion after studying the Scriptures.
---mima on 3/8/10

God is so good at protecting me for being so naieve.

I just today came back to this post and saw the responses to my simplistic faith and reasoning, "I was blind but now I see."

Gosh, I wonder if there's a place in heaven for me because I am so simple minded and have child-like faith. I dunno Lord, what do YOU say?

Thanks for the chuckles folks. You truly made me laugh and I needed to laugh today.
---Donna on 3/8/10

How art thou fallen from heaven,O Lucifer,son of the morning! art cut down to the ground,which didst weaken the nations!
Rev 12
vs.15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.And the dragon was wroth with the woman,and went to make war with the remnant of her SEED,which keep the commandments of God,and have the testmony of Jesus[Christ].
Rev 13-
And I stood upon the sand of the sea and saw a beast...
---char on 3/8/10

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Your welcome...don't be sorry to ask any questions.It's quite possible you are seeing what needs to be seen.
God Bless.
---char on 3/8/10

Thank you char for that great explanation.
And guys please stop picking on Donna. She hasn't done anything wrong.
I asked the question because I am curious about where certain things fit, that's all. I didn't expect it to get blown out of proportion and people falsely accusing others and picking on others for NOT being concerned or agreeing.
Please stop backbiting and acting like the world. We are here for edification and study NOT this mess ya'll are stirring up.
I am sorry I even asked the question now.

Thank you again Char for being patient with me and explaining what I didn't see.
---miche3754 on 3/8/10

Maybe the mixing of Greco-roman perspective with ancient hebrew's perspective-results-confusion.
Hebrew is a concrete concept-not abstract.The first word in the Hebrew text is 'Bere-shiyt'=(raw form)bere or bara means-to fatten with the[extended]idea of filling-up.
Reshiyt-literal meaning is-head or top of a place or time.Gen1:1
With Hebraic perspective-Bereshiyt importance is of-The filling up of the heavens and the earth-not its creation within a span of time(an abstract idea not within the Hebraic thinking).
With english translations-the hebrew word-bereshiyt-is replaced with the greek word 'Genesis'[generation-creation].
This identifies the western Greco-roman culture influenced in the translation=flood of confusion.
---char on 3/8/10

Lucifer fell from heaven TO the earth. SO the earth was already here when he fell.
Please stop falsely accusing people of speculating. I am simply taking in ALL of the word of God. It would do you some good to learn to bridle the tongue and stop assuming.
And the Bible says Lucifer fell and hit the earth.
When did this happen?
And looking at the true translation of Genesis, makes me think that there was a gap between us and when Lucifer fell.
It is the only way I can see that the dinosaurs and us can exist. Otherwise, maybe the dino-bones are false?
I know God's word is truth. SO, what we see should fit God's word, NOT fit God's word to what we see.
---miche3754 on 3/8/10

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Warwick-- I'm not ignoring any part of the Bible, OT or NT!
But, I don't see a "gap" between Gen1:1 and Gen1:2. If there is one, it would be an indeterminate length of time between God creating a world that "was without form and void" and God executing His next creative act. We DO NOT know.

Even if the original language is parsed, scrutinized, rephrased...We do NOT know.

What part is "the foundation of the gospel"?
Would it change the order of creation?
Did it affect the history of the OT Hebrews?
Does it affect our salvation? our faith? our sanctification? Our future?
Where in God's word does He tell us what we should learn from it.?

No, it isn't a high priority to me.
---Donna66 on 3/7/10

Warwick, you gave a great answer as to why this is important. It does change a lot of what God declares in Scripture to be true, that sin entered the world through one man Adam.
And on the subject of satan, he sinned before man, but it did not happen in the world but in heaven, so Lucifur fell from heaven.
Most people who attempt to speculate, are people who really don't believe in the inspired Word of God. They question everything that is written. Looking for area's in Scripture where God didn't give us more information on. They just don't believe Scripture by faith.
---MarkV. on 3/8/10

God creating light did not make it the first real time driven day.
Having light and dark is NOT how we measure time.
The Sun and Moon is how we measure time.
If having light measured time, then Poor Alaska would be all messed up.
The term "Lucifer's flood" is to describe Lucifer's fall.
It happened, Warwick.
you didn't give clear answers about dinosaurs. Yes I believe God created them but its CLEAR that man didn't walk the earth at the same time as them.
So, please explain HOW you get God created the earth in 6 literal days when Man is the only creature who even measure "time"?
God is outside of time and it makes sense to me that God created us and everything else in HIS time, NOT man's.
---miche3754 on 3/8/10

So Donna we are dealing with God's word, specifically that which the NT says is the foundation for the gospel but to you it does not matter!

Do you take such a cavailer attitude to the rest of Scripture?

Some wish to distort the truth of God's word, inserting things which are not there, not supported by Scripture, in fact contradicted by Scripture and Jesus' Himself but you say it does not matter?
---Warwick on 3/7/10

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Catherine --
to correct a misspelling in my last post, I meant to say "I don't feel the heat (not heart)
---Donna66 on 3/7/10

Donna-Miche,good questions.
What matters?
Fellowship in Love.The enemies plan is to divide those In-Christ.
With any subject-God is aware of the questions.He loves us and has provided access-through His Spirit-for teaching.
Covered:we can approach Him.In His Love-mercy and grace:we can ask Him.
IN HIS LOVE we should gather one to another in counsel-allowing His Spirit to guide.
Any division is opportunity to have-God's Love-flow through us.
If scriptures were plain,there would be no need.The Holy Spirit is given to compare,teach and confirm for a reason.
God has told us all things from the beginning-even of-the spirit of slumber.
We discern the spirit-encourage without judging-believe-In-Christ we have Victory.
---char on 3/7/10

catherine ---if this was some important doctrine, I might feel the heart. But it isn't and I don't.
---Donna66 on 3/6/10

Steveng you make such sense. We all take literature at face value unless there is good reason not to do so.

A line from a letter: "It was overcast the day we arrived, but rained cats and dogs the next." Surely everyone understands it was cloudy the first day and raining heavily the second. No cats or dogs involved!

For the same reason we should take the Bible at face value unless there is very good reason not to do so. Read this way there is no gap for the Gap Theory!

People often read the Bible in the light of man-made philosophies, reinterpreting it to fit their extra-Biblical views.

Chapter and verse numbers are necessary to describe where a certain verse is.
---Warwick on 3/7/10

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If the Gap Theory is correct, then God is a liar. He wrote with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is...

So who ya gonna believe? God Himself or crazy uncle Charlie Darwin?
---jerry6593 on 3/7/10

The "official" Gap Theroy that was presented in our Old Testament theology class in college was that the Earth was created "without form and void" and a gap of X number years went by before the next act of creation occurred. I have never heard it presented in the context of between the flood or other days in the creation week.
---obewan on 3/7/10

Donna is getting a lot of heat.
---catherine on 3/6/10

Donna,to your statement...
//I don't see why it is important to us now//
To some it may be important to others maybe not.
My cont' post was not posted...
In the hebraic perspective they did not see 'when was the beginning' as important as to the Reverence of 'God as God'.
He is-covenant God-Who is-the Beginning and End.
*God loves His children-has given His Word-confirms it by His Spirit.
*The enemy works to divide Gods domain.
*But...with God-all things are possible.
---char on 3/6/10

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more_excellent_way: "2 Peter 3:8
"do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years"."

This is not a literal statement, but a simile (using words as "like" and "as") showing that God doesn't time bubble as humans do.
---Steveng on 3/6/10

You read a novel at face value. You read a school textbook at face value. The same goes with newspapers and magazines. So why is it that when a person reads the bible, they have to analyze every verse they read as though each verse had some sort of hidden meaning?

Verse numbers are a creation of Satan. It divides christians to no end. Observe all the different replies on these christian blogs. Taking verses out of context creates and destroys men, nations, and denominations. If people would just read the bible at face value without paying attention to the verse numbers, they would have a completely different perspective in its meaning.
---Steveng on 3/6/10


Where is Lucifer's flood mentioned in Scripture? Noah's flood is mentioned many times but I have never read anything about Lucifer's flood.

Dinosaurs were another of God's creations, now extinct. How does this need special explanation?

On what Biblical basis do you believe the earth is "way more than 6000 years old," and how old do you believe it is?

In Genesis 1:3-5 God says He created light which obviously lit the earth making day and night, the first ever day. Exodus 20:8-11 confirms all the six days of creation were 24hr days as we know them. If this is not so God is either a hopless communicator ar a deceiver.
---Warwick on 3/6/10

What do you think about the gap theory?

Probably not many people even know what that means, but to answer your question.

NO no and no emphatically and it is a theory not biblical truth.
Steve:-)aka rem7000
---steven-rem7000 on 3/6/10

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Char --Interesting post. I'm still not sure why this is important to us now, however.
---Donna66 on 3/6/10

Donna on 3/5/10
//Why it makes a difference-//
Good statement.
There are different translations-of-unknown eons or ages.
My brief understanding...
Sometime before this world-eon-was another(sons of God-in spirit).The world then-destroyed(was-hayah-polysyndeton-became without form and void)Gen 1:2,Job40:15-24,Rev12:4
This age began-sons of God-spirit in flesh(create and formed from dust,water and blood:Jn3:3)-Gen 1:3,Ex 20:11
Then another age after-sons that chose God.
All will be transform(spirit) yet only those who have chosen him live eternally.Matt19:16-30,Luke 20:34-36
The beginning-as written-is for this age:souls in flesh-the Word of God in flesh.The sons of God(all souls)are to make the definitive choice.
---char on 3/6/10

So those who don't believe the "gap" theory, how do you explain Lucifer's flood and his fall?
When do you think this happened? The Bible says he fell to the earth.
How do you explain dinosaur's?
And man is not from apes or tiny organisms.
I believe 100% that God made us. That God made the earth and the universe and everything in it.
I also believe the earth is way more than 6000 years old.
I do know that when I read Genesis, I don't see actual time being created until the "4th" day.
How do you reconcile all of this information?
---miche3754 on 3/6/10

Lets give God ALL the credit, for He is our Creator. Owner of everything and everyone. We are not just here by chance. No, No, No, No....[1] There is no verse in Scripture that explicitly talks about an earlier creation. [2] Genesis 1:31>>> whe God finished His work of creation, "He saw that it was very good". [3] Look at and study the fourth "Ten Commandment". [4] God always accomplishes His purposes in whatever He does. In otherwords, He does not start over.
---catherine on 3/6/10

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Isn't it more important that our focus is on loving others and introducing them to Jesus and winning the lost, healing the brokenhearted, fellowshipping with God Our Father and Jesus His Son and the Holy Spirit? Just curious.
---Donna on 3/5/10

Yes, Donna, this statement of yours is true, but,we as Christians often get so caught up in showing off our intellect that we forget the focus of the Gospel. It is NOT about us or our churches or our denominations. It is about God's love for all People shown finally through His Son Jesus Christ and our need for Him.
---tommy7376 on 3/6/10

Warwick ... Is that not what I said?

But you say that Peter did that comparison because that's what people undersood. The use of the word "as", and the two parts of the verse show it's not meant to be mathematical.

And of course since it's what people could understand, the same could apply to the six day description!
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/6/10

Donna it matters totally because God's word says death entered the world only after Adam sinned. And this is what the gospel is based upon. For example-1 Corinthians 15:21, 22 "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ will all be made alive."
Romans. 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned."

In the Gap Theory death is as old as life, contradicting God's word, and undermining the only foundation of the only gospel.
---Warwick on 3/6/10

I agree, Donna. The truth of this is, nobody knows! Of course it's "Biblical", we are talking about the Bible.
This is a difference in perception, that's all. To some there seems a distinct "gap" between Genesis 1:1-2. Other people don't see this as a "gap". I'm just puzzled as to why it makes any difference.
---Donna66 on 3/5/10

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Thank you mich, I have a sarcastic sense of humor that can sometimes get me in trouble lol :D
---Mary on 3/5/10

But Alan God is not saying that a day is a thousand years, is He?

As I am sure you understand Peter can only compare a day to a thousand years because his readers already knew what a day and what a thousand years was.
---Warwick on 3/5/10

Tom if Jesus comments upon the events of Genesis 1 , should we accept He got it right and accept what He says, or just dismiss it as irrelevant?

I suggest you read John 3:12
---Warwick on 3/5/10

I only know one thing, I was blind but now I see. Don't you just love the simplicity of that blind man who Jesus healed?

I'm saying this for a reason. Why is it important to believe or not believe in the gap theory? To know or not to know?

Isn't it more important that our focus is on loving others and introducing them to Jesus and winning the lost, healing the brokenhearted, fellowshipping with God Our Father and Jesus His Son and the Holy Spirit? Just curious.
---Donna on 3/5/10

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Michael .... 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Note the little words "as"

"So you're right back where you started from one day equals one day"

... No you're not! All Peter is saying that "God is outside of time" There's no mathematical intent.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/5/10

Jesus the Creator created time, and himself is able to be outside of time: but in speaking I usually do not go beyond the scripture ratio of one thousand years on earth to man is equal to one day in heaven to God, unless I am speaking to the higher minded.
---Eloy on 3/5/10

aint the human race a card?thank God questions,especially dumb questions ,wont exist in heaven,because they are prevalent in the world,and an even bigger issue are all the dumb answers,or should I say a believer theories dont interest me at all,why? because iam promised one day I will know.know what?that none of most of what is asked today matters not,only God,and our choices,and how we lived here and what we have done during that time,not how many questions we ask or answers we get,we aren,t suppose to know everything now,and it amazes me how what is important seems to be ignored,and substituted with trival,unimportant issues.
---tom2 on 3/5/10

after reading the never ending array of questions,and answers just on this site,I have come to the conclusion that the human race is CLUELESS as to whats important,and sadder yet what truth is,God will judge us all,and he already knows the answers,no theories involved,no questions about time ,space,origins,matter,or any of the vast majority of questions asked just here alone.The truth lies within God and his son,the truth is our choice to accept him and is gift to us,the truth is how we live afterwards,NOTHING ELSE MATTERS,NOTHING.
---tom2 on 3/5/10

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Note the indefinite verbs in verse 2.

The words "God said" appear introduce each "day" of Creation, and it's only in verse 3 that the words "God said" are first used.

The first "day" therefore could be that on which God created light.

So could not the first two verses of Genesis could narrate His activities before the first described "day"?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/5/10

If the Gap Theory is correct, then God is a liar. He wrote with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is...

So who ya gonna believe? God Himself or crazy uncle Charlie Darwin?
---jerry6593 on 3/5/10

I should have asked along with this question, what do you think about Lucifer's flood?
do you believe it happened?
I have read that if it did happen, it happened between Gen.1:1 and 1:2.

What are you guys opinions?

By the way Mary that was funny, sis!
---miche3754 on 3/5/10

2 Peter 3:8
"do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years".

Verse is from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 3/4/10
I find it very interesting how people take these verses and try to "justify" the baloney being passed off as science. Do you really think that God can't tell time in our terms? The "Gap" theory I have heard expounded says that there is a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 where God destroyed the creation and started over(recreated) after Lucifer/Satan sinned in his boasting of being like God. I think it boils down to theologians being too lazy to contend with scientists who are passing judgement on God through their science.
---tommy7376 on 3/5/10

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The biggest problem I have with the "Gap Theory" is that it completely contradicts Biblical teaching in regards to the origin of death. Unless I am confused, the Bible teaches that death came into the world because of the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden. The Gap theory teaches that God destroyed all living things and started over. There is no evidence in Scripture to support this theory of "RE-Creation" but, there is plenty to support that God made the earth and then formed it into what we read of in Genesis as the inhabitable place that it is. So, did God "create" or "re-create"?
---tommy7376 on 3/5/10

Warwick, that was a great explanation you gave. The word "replenish" and "fill" have two very different meanings so that "replenish" which stand for refill, is not the same as "fill."
A dispensationalist name Clarence Larkin proposes that the creation of the "Original earth" was in the dateless past a beautiful earth covered with vegetation and inhabited with fish an fowl and animal life, and probably with human life. How long it continued in that condition, he says, we are not told, but that some catastrophe befill it and it became "formless and Void"
He gets all this, his theory, from Isa. 45:18 and from Ez. 28:12-19, concerning the fall of Lucifur.
---MarkV. on 3/5/10

The classical Gap Theory proposes a billions of years gap between Genesis 1:1-2. Proponents uncritically accepted long-ages ideas, finding a 'gap' where none exists to fit the imagined billions of years!

Proponents claim the original earth was destroyed by flood and had to be recreated.

Genesis 1:28 (KJV) gave support- "..Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth..." Replenish was the 1600's translation of the Hebrew 'male' meaning 'fill.' At this time 'Replenish' in English meant 'fill.' Over the centuries 'replenish' came to mean 'refill.' Therefore when God told Adam and Eve to 'replenish' the earth, Gap Theorists say they were refilling the ruined earth. However the correct translation is 'fill.'
---Warwick on 3/5/10

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