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Is any form of evolution a compatible with Christianity?

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Alan in a creation vs evolution discussion some time ago someone said they couldn't imagine dogs ever being vegetarian (in Eden) believeing that they can only live on flesh. At this my (Indonesian-born) daughter-in-law spoke up, informing us all that because of the very high price of any meat in Indonesia people fed their dogs on various vegetables. Meat may be their preference( maybe not) but they survive well upon vegetables.

As I also mentioned there have been vegetarian lions, and carnivorous sheep. Things aren't always what they seem to be!
---Warwick on 3/14/10

Warwick ..."In Indonesia most dogs eat vegetables, no meat"

That seems bizarre! Is it their preferred diet, or caused by restricted availability of rodents and animal prey?

I cound not find the info on the Web
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/14/10

Atheist & Michael ... Yes we are both right!

The panther was the original ... at least Kipling's panther, even though only fictional, gave the name to the spider.

"The genus name is derived from Bagheera, the black panther from Rudyard Kipling's Jungle Book, with the species name honoring Kipling himself"

This spider seems to be the only spider variety which is vegetarian.

As for other spiders:

"Spiders can't chew their food, they rely on digesting their prey outside their own bodies using venom and digestive juices, and 'drinking' the liquefied remains"

I wonder how quickly after the Flood they developed that ability/necessity?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/14/10

Warwick and Alan, always interesting reading from the brethren.
The issue of Sharks, dinosaurs and other carnivorous animals that preceded man and sin is an interesting issue, as is the serpent losing its legs.
---larry on 3/13/10

Larry... Sin came through Adam. Sin = Death so "preceded man" doesn't fit with your theory. (see Romans 5 v12-21) Possible Dinosaur description? Try Job 40 v15-24...
---simon7348 on 3/13/10

please google it alan and reply with your findings, alot of things have similar names while being totally different. I, myself, had to look at it twice, being familiar with Rudyard Kipling's Jungle Book.
---MIchael on 3/13/10

Alan and Michael,

Curiously with a slight change in spelling you are obth right. Although I think Kipling's panther may be a fictional device.

Google both, one with panther and the other with spider...

An excellent example of how easily words can be misinterpreted and turned around, combined with one's necessarily limited knowledge---even when no maliciousness or intent is involved...
---atheist on 3/13/10

Warwick and Alan, always interesting reading from the brethren.
The issue of Sharks, dinosaurs and other carnivorous animals that preceded man and sin is an interesting issue, as is the serpent losing its legs.
---larry on 3/13/10

Michael congratulations on a number of excellent Bible-based blogs. Conversely some Christians here seem to uncritically accept anything the world says, while being sceptical about what God says!
---Warwick on 3/13/10

Not that it helps the discussion, I'd lust point out that Kipling's Bagheera was not a vegetarian spider, but a panther.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/13/10

bagheera kiplingi-vegetarian spider.
86% of snakes are considered nonvenomous.
melipona bee is stingless.
Many cases of herbivore tendencies in crocodilians( alligators, crocodiles, caimans) have been reported and confirmed.
It is possible and probable that these animals did not have such equipment in the beginning, though they would have the necessary information encoded in their DNA to develope them after the fall. God is all knowing and He plans for future as well as current events.
The Bible is true went it says:
Gen 1:29 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.
---MIchael on 3/12/10

Local (Sydney Australia) fruit-bats, also called Flying-Foxes have a wingspan of about 1 metre and large (for their size) teeth, similar to a carnivore. They exist upon fruit, and love to eat my mangos.

Teeth shape is not proof of any creatures diet.

There are verified reports of carnivorous sheep, and vegetarian lions.

Scripture says God made changes post-fall however many other changes are only adaptation. Adaptation is not to be equated with, nor part of microbe-to-man evolution.
---Warwick on 3/12/10


How can something that doesn't exist be an enemy?

There are a lot of things that do exist, but the list of potential things that do not exist is much much longer. Why would I consider things that don't exist enemies?

---atheist on 3/12/10

As a christian, I have no explainations to why a snake, a spider, or an ant would need venom in the Garden of Eden.
Then there is the bee, one sting and it's life is over, what exactly did a bee need such a powerful stinger for in Eden?
---francis on 3/12/10

Consider that the garden was perhaps a set aside place. It was after they sinned.
Also the fact that their venom had would have had no effect whatsoever upon Adam or Eve...pre sin. Their life was in their blood post sin. Jesus was bled dry...yet he arose,ate,drank etc.
As example a changed Paul: Acts 28:5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
---Trav on 3/12/10

Francis ... I'm told by those who hnow these things, that for example, the albatross, which now circles the antarctic ocean catching fish for food, and landing only to breed, was a vegetable eater before The Fall.

And the cat family were veggies too and their teeth changed to the present meat eaters after the Fall.

And bats and swallows which exist now solely on eating insects caught on the wing also ate vegetables.

Don't know what sharks ate!
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/12/10

Francis, see-creation dot com-it covers all these issues.

In Genesis it is explanied that man and animals were created to be vegetarian. After the fall came downward changes, instituted by God. Read the proclamation of the curse Genesis 3:14-19.

After Noah's flood God allowed us to eat meat. Quite likely animals resorted to carnivory before the flood.

What an animal eats today or what its teeth look like is no indication of its diet. In Indonesia most dogs eat vegetables, no meat. Some bears are carnivorous, some omnivorous, some vegetarian. However vegetarian creatures become carnivorous if their vegetation supply is limited.
---Warwick on 3/12/10

It seems, that from reading your post, the truth is that scripture does "not assist you."
Have you provided an alternate explanation other than saying that it is generally untrue-"at any time" means to you a specific time not "at any time" and I am lacking credibility with my statement and I need to,by your authority, simplify my meanings so that you can understand.
Sometimes oversimplification distorts meanings and values.I'll pass .
---earl on 3/12/10

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Enemy or friend?
Is everything black or white, either/or, or yes or no?---atheist on 3/12/10

If he does not exist...why answer fearfully? O fearless one. Come out of your closet.
Matthew 5:37
But let your communication be, Yea, yea, Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Ecclesiastes 2:13
Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.
Revelation 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
---Trav on 3/12/10

Francis: I am not sure, but it does not seem to be written than NO animals in Eden would eat other animals. Of course, it is not written that they DID eat other animals.... Your suggestion of evolution sounds reasonable, but it is also possible that in fact that was not evolution but a change made by God so that the animals would fit with fallen nature (with death and suffering). just an idea?
---peter3594 on 3/12/10

As a christian, I have no explainations to why a snake, a spider, or an ant would need venom in the Garden of Eden.

If no animal ate another in Eden, what purpose would venom serve. Why would an animal in eden need such toxic venom?

An alligator is incapalble of eating any plant life because of the design of the teeth and jaws, just what did they eat in Eden.

Then there is the bee, one sting and it's life is over, what exactly did a bee need such a powerful stinger for in Eden?

While I am a BIG fan of creation, I cannot help but ask: " How did these animals live in Eden, and why such toxic venom in paradise?"

Is it posible that snake, spider, and ant venom are all effects of evolution?
---francis on 3/12/10


So exactly how long ago was it that you were in college? If it was a mystery then, it is not now. Pre-Cambrian fossils are not found because they were of soft bodied and small living things that did not fossilize.

I will read something you suggest but only if it meets the requirement that it is a reputable and published scientific study that has been subject to peer review and critical analysis by other scientists that supports the claim that "Fossils PROVE the historical accuracy of the biblical flood of Noah."

If you were prepared to ask to debate you certainly should be able to point to at least one such reference. (Especially if your are a 'scientist.)
---atheist on 3/12/10

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You believe Jesus, believe this.
Luke 17:26-27 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Looks like Jesus believed in the historicity of Noah (Noe) and the flood.
---MIchael on 3/11/10

Earl I think you need to put more effort into making coherent sentences. Maybe it is just me, but I often have trouble working out your meaning.

You have tried to base your view upon John 5:37 but it is obvious this Scripture does not assist you.

You say that Noah's verbal communication with God is "innacurate history." What do you base that upon?
---Warwick on 3/11/10

Earl, how do you explain Matthew 3:17/Mark 1:11/Luke3:22, Mark 12:26, John 8:58, Acts 7:32
---simon7348 on 3/12/10

Atheist: I once studied Historical Geology (fossils and such for you schoolyard bully types) as part of my university curriculum. We studied the "geologic column" ad nauseum. The most memorable thing I recall that my professor said was in response to the question of "Where were the precursors to the Cambrian life forms?" His answer: "It's a mystery." Like all the missing links, they're still missing.

If you are at all serious about reading a book on the subject, I'd recommend "The Evolution Handbook" available from evolution-facts dot org.
---jerry6593 on 3/12/10

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I have no doubts that spirit exists in our thinking parts and there is non physical communication for if not no one is spirit led.-if that is what you refer to.
Back to ( have not) "at any time" and Noah's direct and verbal communication with God being inaccurate history.
---earl on 3/11/10

Earl,in John 5:37 Jesus is talking to non believers, isn't He?

Why haven't they heard God's voice or seen his form, why doesn't God's word dwell in them? Because they rejected God the Son, their Saviour, right there before them.

Shades of John 14:8,9 Phillip asked to see God. Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. Isn't this telling us Jesus is "God manifest in flesh" 1 Timothy 3:16.

God is invisible, eternal Spirit. Whenever God appears/ed to man it was firstly a Christophany, then Jesus while upon earth, and the now glorified Jesus, in heaven.
---Warwick on 3/11/10

"....Nor does his word dwell in you....""--Nor" meaning-- neither or in addition to this first statement.
---earl on 3/11/10

One step at a time Earl.

Are you saying that in John 5:37 Jesus was not directing His comments at specific people those of whom He said "nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent." ?
---Warwick on 3/11/10

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John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
---MIchael on 3/11/10

You can attempt to explain history away as others do.His statement has nothing to do with spiritual blindness or dull of hearing.
When Jesus said"at any time" solidifies as concrete his statement "at any time" meaning -at any time.
If it were not "at any time" then his listeners on that day would have heard God's voice and seeing God's face and shape stand on that day and speak it.Jesus then would have admittingly said he was God-(not the son of God) which he never did.
---earl on 3/11/10

Earl, have you considered that Jesus' comments recorded in John 5:37 were spoken to specific people, to whom He was speaking? Those who He said "Nor does his word dwell in you for you do not believe the one he sent."
---Warwick on 3/11/10

There is an earthage site that provides several examples, supporting facts, and evidences to the flood snd fossils. it is an org site, but they are pro-creation.
---MIchael on 3/11/10

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Jesus said,Jo.5.37.KJV,Ye have neither heard his voice (at any time) nor seen his shape.
Is Noah's verbal communications with God "historically accurate"?
It seems Jesus clarified much of biblical history.
---earl on 3/11/10

Atheist: Fossils PROVE the historical accuracy of the biblical flood of Noah. Want to debate it?
---jerry6593 on 3/11/10

Of course not. Neither of us is sufficiently qualified to put forth more than a purile schoolyard yelling contest. Well at least you are not...

But if you can provide a reference to a a reputable and published scientific study that has been subject to peer review and critical analysis by other scientists that supports the above claim, I would be willing to read it.
---atheist on 3/11/10

Atheist: Fossils PROVE the historical accuracy of the biblical flood of Noah. Want to debate it?
---jerry6593 on 3/11/10

I always find fossils odd.... As a scientist I know that the 'age' we are given requires rather too many 'and if' and then another 'and if', so I don't take the age as reliable. Do others think the fossils of, say, dinosaurs are from animals that once lived on earth (ignore the question of when, that is a second question).
---peter3594 on 3/11/10

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The accounts of witnesses are not reliable. That's all that can and should be said.

The accounts of dead witnesses are less reliable because they have been altered through time. And BTW you can't interview dead witnesses.---atheist on 3/10/10

You'll call upon all to witness for you at some point.
By, your own words are your judgement.
Two witnesses each telling their own side of events....can condemn one to death.
Dead witnesses can be the most reliable of all. Especially if they give their most valuable pocession...their life.
Call on me Atheist in the day you will beg for a witness. I will witness you. You will say.....not Trav....bring another witness. Not Warwick....another etc.
---Trav on 3/10/10

... And BTW you can't interview dead witnesses.
---atheist on 3/10/10

Well, as an enemy of GOD this is no witness for you, but BTW dead men have been interviewed and will be again. Saul interviewed a prophet. You may get one too.

Psalm 119:98
Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
Psalm 119:157
Many are my persecutors and mine enemies, yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.
Psalm 56:9
When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know, for God is for me.
---Trav on 3/10/10

Atheist I do not believe God's chosen made such errors, as God is in charge. As I pointed out (and you can check), experts in history and archaeology attest Luke was an expert historian, having checked the authenticity of what he wrote. Likewise civilizations and cities have been found from obviously accurate information in the Bible.

However the point is evolutionists have no historians, living, liar, or dead.

Fossils are remains of objects, existing only in the present.

Michael refers to a fossilized hat. In a mining museum in Tasmania my wife and I saw a fossilized hat found in a mine which closed c50 years previously. Fossils are not to be compared to God guided eye witness reports. And they do not assist your case.
---Warwick on 3/10/10

fossils, yeah, I've heard of them, like the fossilized hat found in a mine shaft buried 50 yrs prior, or that of a ham not even 50 years old, of course those were witnessed.
Now, I am under the impression that you haven't studied fossils yourself nor used unreliable dating methods on them, so, in fact, you are taking someone word as a witness to these studies and tests. How unreliable in your own words.
---MIchael on 3/10/10

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No. The moderator is correct. Besides, evolution is a philosophy that portends to explain creation while bankrupt however to life,

Evolution is a guess concerning existence with laughably no explation of our beginning. No explanation of purpose, how, why or the existence of very real phenomena such as suffering.

I have yet to find its use accept as a covering for pride.
---larry on 3/10/10


The accounts of witnesses are not reliable. That's all that can and should be said.

The accounts of dead witnesses are less reliable because they have been altered through time. And BTW you can't interview dead witnesses.

No matter how accurately parts of a narrative appear to be verifiable, certainty of the whole narrative much less any part of it is beyond certainty.

The belief that the bible is the word of 'god' is your belief and only your belief.

Have you heard of fossils?
---atheist on 3/10/10

Amen peter3594,
Keep studying, searching, asking, praying.
With diligence, determination, and discernment, through the Spirit's guidance, we can be more like Christ.
---MIchael on 3/10/10

Atheist, if witness statements are identical collusion is suspected. Reliable witnesses accounts vary because of culture, personality and experience.

The Bible is God's history via those He chose and inspired to tell His story. As with secular historians, most are currently dead. Nonetheless it is through them we know the past. That they are dead is irrelevant.

Biblically speaking we have extraordinary historians such as Luke. Many notable historians and archaeologists have defended the reliability of Luke's written account. A. N. Sherwin-White, of Oxford University, said Luke's "historical framework is exact. In terms of time and place the details are precise and correct."

Long-ages/evolution has no historians!
---Warwick on 3/9/10

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atheist: OK, you're a confused agnostic.
---jerry6593 on 3/10/10

Michael: Thanks for the comments, they are very consistent. You take it (reasonably) that the animals and fowl presented by God were already created earlier (Gen 1). I cannot say for sure, but it allows me to take genesis 1-3 without feeling it is suspicious
---peter3594 on 3/10/10


Perhaps there is no past since no humans were there. Perhaps there is nothing on the other side of the door until I open it.
- Someone can tell you what is there, but you need to believe they have been there and know

Does a tree falling in the woods make a sound if no one is there?
- Not if it's every branch is cushioned perfectly. Unlikely, but this is where observation comes in..

Going to the hardware store. Is it there if I am not?
- As above, you need to go or speak to someone who knows it is there. Who was there at the beginning? Gen 1:1 In the beginning God. I know who I can trust for answers.
---simon7348 on 3/10/10

Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, concept or thing.
Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.
A religion is any systematic approach to living that involves beliefs about one's origins, one's place in the world, or a responsibility to live and act in the world in particular ways.
So, what about evolution or the urantia book is not covered by faith, philosophy, and religion?
---MIchael on 3/9/10

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One clarifacation from your statement is that the readers and supporters of the U.B.that I know of do not recognize the a religion.Religionists quickly label it as such.It can certainly be said it is a revelation however traditional religionists are not elastic and do not yield to revelation as did the Jews long ago.Part 4 is a revealing restatement of revelation of the events that transpired 2000+ yrs. ago in the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
There are many religions and divisions of them and this is not one and I do not think U.B.readers desire that it becomes one for obvious reasons.
---earl on 3/9/10

I can try to help you out peter3594 as will others I hope.
Gen 1:1 creation
2 how it looked
3-5 darkness addressed-light.
6-10 formless addressed- moving the waters.
11-30 void(empty) adressed-plants, sun, moon, stars, water creatures, flying creatures, land creatures, man all according to their day
Gen 1:31,2:1 it was very good and finished.
Gen 2 fills in some blanks
5-6 plants how they were nourished
7-25 day 6 happenings
7 man
8 God 'plants' a garden, like we do, from pre-existing seeds made on day 3 explained in verse 5.
9 the seeds grow by God's grace (verse 6).
10-17 Eden
18-20 finding man a helper
19 bringing man the animals that He had formed, land day 6 and fowl day 5.
21-25 woman
---MIchael on 3/9/10

The bible and all other scriptures are of fiction also. All such texts suffer from the fact that their witnesses are dead, translated and transcribe from many languages, corrected and redacted for political purposes, and no two people agree on want it says.

The Urantia Book is also fiction, but it appears to be very recently updated in regards to such topics as science, history, religion and presents a more cohesive and logical spiritual point of view. It is infinitely more readable, and it's science more accurate to AD 1928 than other 'scriptures'.

Jerry, this is where you call me a confused agnostic, and the rest of you throw a few nasty jibes at Earl.
---atheist on 3/9/10

Warwick, and Leon ,
Jesus said that no man has seen God in any form or heard his voice at any time.John the baptist also says No man has seen God.
Therefore ,Warwick and Leon Jesus says God was not present at Eve's creation as Adam looked on as the bible records it .And,God's voice was not heard by Adam or Eve in the garden.Although I am sure a representive of God was.From this Jesus contradicted the Genesis account as who was there.
Leon and Warwick,on this one I will believe Jesus and John the baptist.
Up until Jesus made this statement one possibly could believe ALL the Genesis account but not since Jesus clarified this.Thus man was revealed truth in a unedited portion of his revelation .
---earl on 3/9/10

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Sorry if I am supporting Atheist (whith whom I stronly disagree) but I must comment that if you read Genesis 1, you read that animals (Gen 1:20-25) were created before humans (26-31), while if you read Genesis 2 it appears that Adam was created (Gen 2:7) before animals (Gen 2:18-20) who in turn were created before woman (Gen 2:21-25). I agree that Genesis is tru in that God created everything that exists, but it appears to be rather hard to work out exactly the time, order or method. So you know, I agree with Genesis, I just have trouble getting everything in (time) order
---peter3594 on 3/9/10

Michael: I agree! Yet Earl, an unbeliever like Atheist, unfortunately thinks it's true.
---Leon on 3/9/10


So the account of dead human witnesses is what counts? An account translated and transcribe in many languages, corrected and redacted for political purposes, that no two people now have 100% agreement on want is said. Your faith in 'god' is not faith in 'god' it is more faith that your 'scripture' reliably says anything that is true.
---atheist on 3/9/10

Atheist, follow the thread. I was commenting upon Friendly's billions of years/evolution comments. He cannot speak with authority about past events as (in his scenario) no one was there to report. He holds these views by faith.

Likewise by faith, not blind faith, I trust God was there from the beginning and has reported carefully, and accurately to us in His word.

Indeed you do not know what is behind your closed door, unless you have previously been there or have a totally reliable witness.

In your scenario maybe there isn't anything behind your closed door. However by faith I am confident there is much behind mine, because God is a God of order!

Maybe your hardware store has evolved into a burger joint?
---Warwick on 3/9/10

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Earl, I said "Had he used this ghastly process why did he not tell us so?"
You replied "He did,it is in the public domain,and a thorough explanation exists."

Pray tell where (in the Bible) God has told us He used billions of years and evolutionary processes to create?

So you are saying the original humans were so stupid that God had to tell them a false story to communicate His Truth? Wow!

Do you think humans today are more intelligent than Adam, and if so why?

As regards God's method of creation remember Adam was there when God made Eve.
---Warwick on 3/9/10

I agree with Cluny.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/8/10

The urantia book is fiction.
---MIchael on 3/8/10

Are then you saying that because no one can see the Mars rover with the human eye that it does not exist on the Mars surface and no one can navigate space because no one can calculate stellar distances because no one knows where 'there' is??
---earl on 3/8/10

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You said,"Had he used this ghastly process why did he not tell us so?"
He did,it is in the public domain,and a thorough explanation exists.
Scientific explanation did not exist 2000+ years ago so an inclusion of such in holy texts would only confuse the minds of that age .The world does now and man can also comprehend because the mind has experienced growth and capacity to experiment and learn.
It is evident that you do not know because you would have never asked the question if you knew this knowledge was in the public domain.Even Atheist,an unbeliever, has a copy of The Urantia Book.
---earl on 3/8/10


Perhaps there is no past since no humans were there. Perhaps there is nothing on the other side of the door until I open it.

Does a tree falling in the woods make a sound if no one is there?

This is getting deep. Need some hip boots and a shovel...

Going to the hardware store. Is it there if I am not?
---atheist on 3/8/10

I do not mind the idea of (as I think it's called) 'micro-evolution' (when insects move to a dark environment, the few that are dark coloured live a bit longer, so they have more children, etc.... some has been noticed, though I'm not sure how reliable the data actually is, but I can accept it. But the complete change of one species into another, I take that to require more than random, chance, changes.
But I should also not that there is a (minor)problem in Genesis 1 it quotes 'and there was evening and there was morning'three times before the sun is created. Thus, it is probably OK to take the first three days, at least, as NOT NECESSARILY days of 24 hours - I prefer to take then as stages, steps in God's creation of the world
---Peter on 3/8/10

Friendly none can speak of the past with any authority because no human was there.

Unlike long-ages/evolution believers, we Christians, via the Bible, have God's revealed record of the past, via those He chose to tell us His Truth. But you claim He and they allowed us to think tribal stories were God's Truth! No chance!

Jesus and the apostles quoted from, or alluded to the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times and always as sober truth. The idea that Genesis is tribal stories lacks any credibility.

Remember also the early part of Genesis is the foundation of the gospel. See Romans 5:12,14,6:23,and 1 Corinthians 15: 21, 22. If this is a tribal story then so it the gospel. But it isn't!
---Warwick on 3/7/10

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It depends on what you mean by "evolution."

If you mean "an orderly process of development", which is what I was taught, then this is EXACTLY what we read in Genesis 1.

Unlike some people here, I'm not going to pin God down to one particular interpretation of Genesis.
---Cluny on 3/8/10

No, evolution is fiction.
---Eloy on 3/8/10

If evolution simply means change, it is everywhere. However this is not evolution but adaptability which our Creator 'engineered' into His creatures.

This 'evolution' has nothing to say about life's origin or how the imagined original single-celled life-form developed into the amazing variety of life we see. Where did all the new, unique, specific genetic information to make a human come from?

The fossil record, (which evolutionsts say records billions of years of evolution) is a violent, slow, meandering, unguided process.

Why would a loving God use disease, misery and death to create? Why would Almighty God, use a slow process to create?

Had He used this ghastly process why did He not tell us so? Was He ashamed?
---Warwick on 3/7/10

All "forms" of evolution are compatible with Christianity.
---Travis on 3/7/10

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Friendly_B: The Hubble Telescope -- absolutely wonderful technology that gives man a key hole look into God's magnificence! Are you saying, because the HT can see so far (outside of our solar system, outside of our galaxy -- the Milky Way) into God's ever expanding universe, you think the earth must be 4.5 billion years old? Do you base the earth's age upon the furtherest view of the HT into infinity (the universe)? Can mankind really determine the age of God's limitless, immeasurable INFINITY?

You think Adam & Eve weren't real people? Also, you expressed disbelief in the Bible, "Genesis" creation account. How God did it isn't important? Untrue! It's important He did it just the way the Bible, not evolutionist, says.
---Leon on 3/7/10

The speed of light may not be as constant as you think. Einstein's thoery of relativity has not yet made it into law. There are many factors even Einstein admitted were areas where the theory could be flawed. Don't rest your faith and hopes on theories of man, but on the truth of God and His Word.
---MIchael on 3/7/10

Leon, astronomy as progressed so much due to the Hubble Telescope. We can see object and masses in space that are 14.6 billion light years away which means the universe has to at least bee that old it my be older but it can't be any younger. Distances of objects can be determined by using the diameter of the Earth orbit around the Sun as the base line of a triangle. The Hubble camera is pointed at a distant inject the angle from the earth is precisely determined 182.625 days the same object is sited again and that angle is recorded again. We know how far the Hubble is above the Earth and the rest is very accurate floating point trigonometry with very large mantissas to get a distance, the speed of light is constant.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/7/10

Friendly_B: I mean you no harm nor do I want to insult your intelligence, but what you said is Never-Landish nonsense.

How do you know Adam & Eve weren't historical figures? How do you know the age of the earth & universe? If how & when God made the heavens & earth aren't found in the Bible, how is it you seem to know, but you claim it's not important? Oh, really?! :)
---Leon on 3/7/10

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God doesn,t want compatable worshippers,he wants loving obidient ones.
---tom2 on 3/7/10

If an individual is competent in original biblical languages he/she should be able to ascertain when they are reading a tribal story and understand that it is just a tribal story from an oral tradition to teach the young the the God of the Hebrews was greater then all other deity as only he could create with out raw material and provide a reason keeping the Sabbath Holy. The story of Adam and Eve is to show how sin entered the world again an oral tradition not history in any form.

God created a universe that is over 14 billion yeas old an a planet earth that is over 4.5 billion yeas old, How he accomplished it is not found in any Bible text and he created life on earth now he did it is not important. but it is Gods Creation and it works,
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/7/10

I agree Moderator. Yes, truly a fairy tale! But, "adult?" -- I think not! :)

The theory of evolution is akin to the immature illogic used by Peter Pan & the Lost Boys (carpe diem) in Never Land. They ignore, rant & let their imaginations run wild & are in opposition to all things grown up -- adult AUTHORity. 2 Peter 3
---Leon on 3/7/10

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