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Is Man An Evolved Animal

Is man a special creation or just a highly evolved animal?

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Man is Created, not evolved. All of my ancestors were made in God's shape, and none of my lineage were guppies, apes, nor protozoan amaebic sludge in the water. How true it is said of the ignorant professors, Professing themselves to be wise they became fools.
---Eloy on 4/19/10


BTW, I do understand the comfort that faith gives some people. Unfortunately, I can see the many ways in which faith has been an excuse to mistreat others and many other negative uses.

It concerns me for instance that the wonders of the universe are magnified and intensified by science, but too many of faith feel they must protect that faith by denying science because they see it as a threat to scripture.

The theory of evolution makes life in its many forms more a wonderment than less. I have no argument with those who say evolution is how god did it. It is more an issue of what people mean by 'god' than anything else and how they use 'god' for their own purposes.
---atheist on 4/19/10

Cliff your foolish statement about what fundementals want me/you to know has no validity at all. First you don't know all fundementals. Next, it was God who breathed the breath of life into Adam and he became a living soul. He did not do this with/to any animal. Animals and mankind both have spirits. Man is different because of what God did.
---Elder on 4/19/10

Adetunji , don't be so harsh on atheist - he is honest,he just does not beleive in God.

He is actually useful in this debate, because he gives us the chance to see what unbeleivers may think which helps us when taking with them.

Larry: 'humans are animals but animals are not human.' - very well written!
---peter3594 on 4/19/10

NO, humans are animals but animals are not human.

How can an animal worship God in spirit and truth?
---larry on 4/19/10

Wonderful, Eloy. Hey, I tried to give you a point, but the link didn't take.
---catherine on 4/19/10


Mutations happen often, through such things as copying errors, and often do not have an effect. When they are noticed it is almost always 'bad'. Ocassionally a mutation occurs that aids in the survivalbility of an organism. To a small degree. A single mutation does not produce radical changes, and it never produces a new species.

Lamarkism, basicly says that if you lift weights your genes will change and you children will have big muscles. This is nonsense.

Given only 6000-10000 years, you are right the theory of evolution won't work. I am not constrained by that belief.
---atheist on 4/19/10

Atheist: I feel the aim of this website is not to preach or promote EVOLUTION. Why are you bent on using this website as a medium to teach and expand non-Christian views? Please do not invoke the wrath of the Holy Spirit on yourself as continuous propagation of lies against what God has done means you are contradicting what God is and has done. Such acts invokes punishment from God, do not say later that you are not warned.
---Adetunji on 4/19/10

There's no such thing as "evolved". And animals do not heal the sick nor raise the dead nor speak in glossalalia nor prophesy nor even make clothing nor make computers nor rockets to travel into outerspace.
---Eloy on 4/19/10

'atheist': I made nothing up. I even gave you the source. You just don't like your comfortable little God-hating paradigm being challenged.

Yes I have a BS degree. All you have is BS.
---jerry6593 on 4/19/10

Jerry, you slightly over-state your point. Mutations [in the commonly-used sense] are, by definition, harmful - only those do we call mutations. However, changes in the DNA sequence (which has been seen to occur, just very rarely) appears to be what atheist is describing as 'mutation' - I have seen it used in a number of cases, and if that is what he means, his argument is reasonable - it's just that there has not been enough time for small changes to cause major differences
---peter3594 on 4/19/10


You make things ups, re-state theory incorrectly, or try to prove a point by saying something that doesn't even apply---all wrapped in a tone of condescension and superiority.

I have no doubt you have a BS degree...
---atheist on 4/18/10

Elder, Let me point out a correction in your statement
**the difference between animals and humans is that humans have souls**
Adam did not "have" but "became" a living soul.
A soul is a living sentient creature!
Strong's concordance (under soul) in Heb .is nephesh. #5315 but there is a big inconsistency here!
Animals ARE also souls ,if you look up "creature" you'll see that it is also #5315 (nephesh.)
They obviously didn't want you to know this so they pulled a little "swicheroo"
Not unusual in publications written by fundamentalists!
---1st_cliff on 4/18/10

Well, here is a thought. Can you only amagine if there were no God only wickedness. How much trouble this world would be in. God keeps evil at bay. Things could always be worse. And things would be, if Jesus was not in control of His universe. Keeping the evil one at bay is only part of God's many, many, duties. Hallelujah and Amen. And I want to take a moment to praise this living God. If it were not for Him, I would've never learned how to work the comp. I am so serious folks. My God liveth, TRULY....And even you do not believe, yet. He lives anyways. Not a thing you can do about it. And God is not worried. He told me so.
---catherine on 4/18/10

Atheist you said, "Explain why if humans are greater life forms that we are so good at killing each other in the most horrific ways for the most poorly thought out of reasons."
(atheist on 4/15/10)
You said "we." Now you have verified that not all humans kill others. But I will tell you this, you have looked at too many "christian" to find out what God is like. On that basis I can understand why you would like to deny He exists.
---Elder on 4/18/10

'atheist': If those definitions were out of a reference source as opposed to your fertile imagination, get a new source. They are wrong.

Variation within a genome is mendellian genetics - not evolution. No new information is EVER imparted to the genome, and no new species are EVER created.

Mutations are ALWAYS harmful, and NEVER produce a new, improved species.

Lamarckism: a theory of organic evolution asserting that environmental changes cause structural changes in animals and plants that are transmitted to offspring - Merriam-Webster
---jerry6593 on 4/18/10

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\\Evolution: Change proceeds by the process of variation, a genetically random process, and selection, an environmentally driven non-random process.\\

I understand the principle, atheist.

But I don't believe that there is anything random in the process.
---Cluny on 4/17/10


Evolution: Change proceeds by the process of variation, a genetically random process, and selection, an environmentally driven non-random process. Acquired characteristics are not passed on to offspring. Mutations are not directed for the benefit of the individual. Change is neither random nor teleological. It is, in fact, driven by both historical contingencies and the non-random, yet non-directed, process of selection.

Lamarkism: An organism passes its individual characteristics on to its offspring. Change in characteristics occurr due to the 'need' or 'desire' that an organism possesses. Changes occured on the organism level (over one lifetime. All organisms started off the same, with no variation.
---atheist on 4/17/10


I have killed no one. What was written that made you think otherwise.
---atheist on 4/17/10

Donna, you need to understand that the strongest is not the storngest, but quickest of feet, the most cunning, the one to survive cold longer, live without foood longer, to camouflage oneself better. Survival hindges on the best, not the storngest.
---atheist on 4/17/10

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'atheist': I realize that you're trying to sound intelligent, but it isn't working. You seem to be going in meaningless circles. Go look up "lamarckism" and "natural selection" and then come back.
---jerry6593 on 4/17/10

I believe in evolution only to the point of.... the strongest of a breed survive. If there are trait associated with them being stronger they would move forward with breeding.
---donna8679 on 4/16/10

The difference in animals and humans is that humans have souls. All humans do not kill others as you have indicated. I am sorry that you also indicated that you have killed others. When you are a God rejector there is no absolute so you can do what you will.
My last statement to you was to provoke thinking. I know very well that you were created special by God. So was your family. His special purpose for you is in His will. You may not want to but you will fulfill His will in your life. It may not be His perfect will. But, you will work within His plan.
God Bless you. (Whether you like it or not.)
---Elder on 4/16/10


"Moral relativism? So it's OK for you to kill people, but not me."

That, does not describe the concept of moral relativism.

"Morality would hinder - not help - evolution in that it would stifle the kill-or-be-killed instinct of the moral one..."

You must believe that all killing is morally wrong and you are a pacifist. Or are there circumstances when killing is morally okay but morally offensive?

Lamarckism? why are you introducing this nonsense. But didn't Mommy and Daddy ever explain to you about 'right' and 'wrong', that was explained to them their parents?

That is the source of moral relativism BTW. It is why cannibalism is 'okay' for cannibals, but not for you and me.
---atheist on 4/16/10

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Cluny, I refer you to "Proust Was a Neuroscientist" by Jonah Lehrer.

From a Review:'Taking a group of artists - a painter, a poet, a chef, a composer, and a handful of novelists - Lehrer shows how each one discovered an essential truth about the mind that science is only now rediscovering. We learn, for example, how Proust first revealed the fallibility of memory, how George Eliot discovered the brain's malleability, how the French chef Escoffier identified umami (the fifth taste), how Czanne worked out the subtleties of vision, and how Gertrude Stein exposed the deep structure of language - a full half-century before the work of Noam Chomsky and other linguists. It's the ultimate tale of art trumping science.'
---atheist on 4/16/10

\\Science sees it differently.\\

But what science sees isn't the whole story.

How do you prove a Beethoven symphony or a Shakespearean sonnet or a classical sculpture by science?

Yes, science (to say nothing about individual experience) can prove they exist, but can do little more than quantify them.

Science might say that Beethoven's 9th Symphony has a total frequency range from X hz to Z hz with a mean decibel level of Q in a given hall heated to Y degrees C or F.

But can science explain how great art affects the emotions and outlook of those who experience it?

This is why I say that what "science sees" is not the whole story about anything.
---Cluny on 4/16/10

'atheist': "morality that should drive this question, as every person has his own"

Moral relativism? So it's OK for you to kill people, but not me. Lame, really lame! Every serial killer agrees with you.

"morality is .... a learned behavior that helped a living thing better survive"

Do you know nothing about basic evolutionary theory? Morality would hinder - not help - evolution in that it would stifle the kill-or-be-killed instinct of the moral one - like a pacifist on the battlefield. Besides, the inheritance of acquired characterisiics - or lamarckism - has long been disproved.

Which animal do you think started your moral streak?
---jerry6593 on 4/16/10

Dear Jerry, Since you were born, have you ever met any man/lady that told you he/ she evolved from an animal? Don't you know that life rebirth is a continuous process? It is the way generations evolve now that it evolved in the past except for the 1st man and woman. It is only when human beings started mixing fluids of animals that we have different animals from those initial created and this is even against God's instructions.
---Adetunji on 4/16/10

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This is a second attempt, my last effor was censored.

But the emotion of love does translate into risking one's life for the one's he loves. And that allows survival of the species, or a group within the species despite the death of an individual member.
---atheist on 4/15/10

Cluny: Whether Homo sapiens is more than an evolved animal is ultimately a philosophical and theological (that is religious) one, not a biological one, because biology can't deal with the issue, really.

That I get. You are saying the difference is a matter of belief. You draw the line by believing that humans are not animals.

Science sees it differently. But refusing to allow the use the words of science, substantiated and tested in their meaning by a strict methodology is not the same as asking to explain what difference there is without resorting to a restatement of a mythology.
---atheist on 4/15/10


It's the bible that makes a distinction between animal and humans.\\

In other words, atheist, you can't answer my question.

I'm trying to point out to you that you ask a question, but then lay conditions to make sure you don't get an answer you don't like.

Can you see, now?

Whether Homo sapiens is more than an evolved animal is ultimately a philosophical and theological (that is religious) one, not a biological one, because biology can't deal with the issue, really.
---Cluny on 4/15/10


It's the bible that makes a distinction between animal and humans. Any biological definition necessarily includes the observable traits of animals, which if not included in the definition make the definition impossible to make. Respond to stimuli. All animals do that (as do plants to some extent), but we can argue about the complexity of the process involved.

Fire: plants can't run away, nor parmicium, larger animals can. Humans can decide to get the children out of the house, call the fire department, get the hose and what order to do it in. More complex responses by more complex living things. Why this artificial distinction between people and all other living things?
---atheist on 4/15/10

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Atheist, though I wish I could accept your view of moralit, I do not, for reasons I will try to explain... you suggest (as I though some time ago) that morals are only the parts of our behaviour that affect others, or affect ourselves in a way (according to evolution) that either allows us to live longer, or to breed more (evolution). But there are also parts of morality that do not help us there, but we take to be good - like feeling happy when others are happy, or feeling sad for others who are far away, even if we cannot help them - those do not help us in an evolutionary way, and you I firmly beleive we are right to consider them moral. So I have some serious disagreements with you, and would be interested in chatting about those things
---peter3594 on 4/15/10

\\Explain why humans are not animals using an explanation that does not involve a bible quote.\\

atheist, explain why humans are animals using an explanation that does not involve something from evolutionary biology or anthropology.
---Cluny on 4/15/10

atheist- God was not a voice in my head, He said He was healing me, and He instantly did, other times (for other reasons) doctors & surgeons came to my hospital bed & admitted fluently to me and each other that nothing they did had saved me, that only God could have kept me alive. They were completely astonished I was alive. (Also, one time it was my newborn son as well who was miraculously saved from death & the doctors agreed it was a miracle from God.) By the way, these things happened, but I'm nothing special. God was just so good. God is the only Good there is. It seems everyone would want to known Him and yield to Him. Jesus Christ is Lord.
---Betty on 4/15/10


Explain what you mean by lesser life form.

Explain why humans are not animals using an explanation that does not involve a bible quote.

Explain why if humans are greater life forms that we are so good at killing each other in the most horrific ways for the most poorly thought out of reasons.
---atheist on 4/15/10

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Explain why you are not an animal.

I developed my personal morality around the same time you did, because I take it we are both the same age.

It's the concept of morality that should drive this question, as every person has his own, with parts of it shared and agreed on with others in a person's culture. Cannibalism is morally correct for some. While in our society only a sociopath with incomplete brain structures would think so.

The prime cause, but not the only cause, was an inherited trait or a learned behavior that helped a living thing better survive, that one without that trait or behavior.

Do you know nothing about basic evolutionary theory?
---atheist on 4/15/10


At the most philosophical level, regarding everything, everything we all believe is by faith.

That we are all not dreaming and there is any physical reality is a belief of faith.

Extending your belief into a special case you call 'creation' takes us nowhere.

You have constructed your reality out of those things you cherry pick that prove the reality you what to believe is real. You discard the rest.

And you can argue that I and everyone else does the same and thereby everyone's faith is different but real to them.

An asylum in which we are all crazy, but we pretend we all are not.
---atheist on 4/14/10

Atheist, you have convinced me... I believe that your ancestors were monkeys or some other lesser life form........... and you are no more than a plant here on CN.
---Elder on 4/15/10

'atheist': Your logic isn't. Just because you consider yourself an animal, that doesn't make the rest of us animals. Your answer to my question of the origin of your 'morality' ("same as yours") was childish. I'll ask again and see if you can do better.

At what point in your concept of the evolution of man from animals did morality enter the picture? What was its prime cause - mutation or random chance? Surely if you believe that godless evolution is indeed factual, you would have figured this out long ago.
---jerry6593 on 4/15/10

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Atheist,for you I explain again!

Regarding origins everything we all believe is by faith, as the past is gone. It cannot be tested by the scientific method. We all have the same evidence from the past, and interpret it through our world-view.

Some Christians and atheists have blind faith. However the informed Christian has God's record of the past, His Holy Spirit, and this evidence of the past, and present. Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

The Christian has the advantage, having no need of blind faith, as God's word says.
---Warwick on 4/14/10


In that case, 'god' is either telling each of his adherents something different for some unknowable purpose, or there is no 'god' and there are a lot of people paying too much attention to the voices in their heads.
---atheist on 4/14/10

In re: atheist in reply to Warwick 4-13 - atheist: God is not in a book, He is the real everliving God who still speaks to those who listen & who still does miracles when He will. I've had some & I know. Thanks be to God.
---Betty on 4/14/10

According to the Bible,

Man and animal was created from the same thing....
The dust of the earth.
BUT Man was formed in God's image.
This tells me man did not evolve from animal.
We were created from the same substance, though.
Probably explains the genetic closeness.
---miche3754 on 4/14/10

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Why was my blog questioning the 'evolution questionnaire' just never posted, so no-one ask whether the questionnaire has appropriate answers? Any ideas? I have already seen some complaints about replies 'dissapearing' - lets see if this is one more, as then I will not trust this siye any more
---James on 4/14/10


My 'morality' 'evolved' about the same time yours did.

However, my idea of morality is not so narrowly constructed as yours, since I include biological traits along with culture, tradition, various changing religious beliefs, and knowledge of history and science within that idea.

Cannibals, BTW, are usually considered human beings, but of course you and I share a more common morality with each other than with them.

I also eat plants, which are also my ancestors. I expect you do too, not beling able to subsist on a diet of rock and water. So we are both cannibals...
---atheist on 4/14/10

Is the purpose of these blogs JUST to get Christians to shout so loudly at other Christians? Because that is what it looks like!
---peter3594 on 4/14/10


So people who believe in evolution hold this view based on blind faith.

You hold your view in a Creator based on faith.

People who believe in 'god' and take comfort in that belief, but also believe that the universe was not created a few thousand years ago, but maybe 'evolution' is how 'god' did it are then what? Suffering from partially blind faith?

Why is it that I must replace your mythology with another or anything at all? Is the idea that there are some things we don't know to difficult for you to comprehend?
---atheist on 4/14/10

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ALL THIS IS SILLY, NONSENSE, YES, IT IS. The important thing to remember is: if you love God? That He is, Satan is, Hell is, Heaven is. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 4/14/10

Atheist, as stated many times, I hold my views by faith, but not blind faith. God has provided an eye-witness record of events, from day one. Plus the witness of nature, and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

By faith you believe nonLiving matter by purely chemical reactions became living matter, (no intelligence involved) able to self-replicate! I would like to see that! Fantasy!

What I claim is irrelevant. The Bible existed before me, will exist after me and if I never existed.

In their debate Lennox forced Dawkins to admit he is also a man of faith.

A question for you: you obviously wish to take people out of Christian faith. So what do you wish to lead them into?
---Warwick on 4/14/10

'atheist': Are you asking Warwick to have an intelligent discourse with a mere animal?

You have previously stated that you possess morality. At what stage did yours evolve? Flatworm, warthog, monkey ....? What was its prime cause? Mutation? Random accident?

I'll bet you eat meat. Does it bother your 'morality' to cannibalize your ancestors?
---jerry6593 on 4/14/10

\\You will pay for ALL of your lies to this world, and people who believe these lies shall be punished. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 4/12/10

catherine, is there any chance that YOU will be punished for believing a lie or being otherwise mistaken, or is it only evolutionists who will?
---Cluny on 4/14/10

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Warwick: "The Satan, and the world attacks the truth of Scripture especially Genesis creation. Therefore defending this truth is far from a waste of time."

Shouldn't this statement to be honest read:

"The Satan [which I have chosen to believe to exist], and the world attacks the [the beliefs I claim come from] Scripture especially Genesis creation. Therefore defending [these beliefs] is far from a waste of time [if I want to continue to believe these beliefs and want to encourage others to believe them also}."

How can you claim that anything is 'true' using your only resource, 'scripture' given its inconsistencies, contradictions, numerous translations, and politically charged history?
---atheist on 4/13/10

Peter I believe Martin Luther made a very relevant comment. "If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the Word of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Him. Where the battle rages there the loyalty of the soldier is proved, and to be steady on all the battle front besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point."

The Satan, and the world attacks the truth of Scripture especially Genesis creation. Therefore defending this truth is far from a waste of time.
---Warwick on 4/13/10

Man was created, and no creature of creation has evolved, including animals, birds, fish, etc.
---Betty on 4/13/10

Samuel, I will agree with you on the 'problems' with evolution, which there certainly are. I mostly feel that the big 'problem' is the soul that man has, and animals do not. However, I will not have a problem with anyone who beleives that small changes will lead to - let's say medium - changes (a species becoming larger, or smaller, or somewhat loner legs, etc, if sufficient time is allowed. The problem really is the limited time from the world was created [for me]
---peter3594 on 4/13/10

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I used to believe in evolution. But there are many parts of the theory that do not work.

For instance small changes makeing big ones. I am sorry believe that flatworms are the ancestors of all animals with backbones just do seem to work. By the way if they are the ancestors why are they still here.

Also Sea Anemones being the ancestors of all multicelled animals does not seem to work either.

Insects which used to be much larger came before mammals in evolutionary theory. Yet they are basically the same now as when they first appeared.
---Samuel on 4/13/10

THe comment I like most is actually Cluny's. some days ago. Yes, I do now want to accept evolution, because it does not fit with the Bible, but I will not get out and argue with it, as the evidence [if you do not accept the Bible] can be said to be enough. These arguments just make us [Christians] look life fanatics to evereyone else. Can we discuss something more beneficial?
---peter3594 on 4/13/10

Catherine, who is telling lies? Who is 'evolutionist'? If you think it is the poster of the blog, I think you are misunderstanding the blog. Please read before posting an answer!
---peter3594 on 4/13/10


I believe that all humans are evolved animals.
---atheist on 4/13/10

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I see no proof man evolved from animals. By faith I accept God says man was made from the dust of the ground, in God's image. I know Adam sinned and Jesus came to pay the price for sin, to die in our place that we may confess our sin and be saved from hell. If we cannot believe the former on what basis do we accept the latter?

Genesis 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken, for dust you are and to dust you will return."

Thinking Biblically, and logically if man evolved from an animal we must return to being that animal after death!

The likenesses between animals and humans are not from common descent, but because of a common designer.
---Warwick on 4/13/10

From your great-great-grandparents generation until your generation has anyone ever evolved?
Genesis 1
Emphasis on Genesis 2:7
Jeremiah 1:5
---Schoa5546 on 4/13/10

'atheist': Do you consider yourself a highly evolved animal (with or without the "just")?
---jerry6593 on 4/13/10

NO! Man is not evolved from any animal/s. The truth of the matter is that by "allowing" the evolutionist teachings into the classroom, man has DEVOLVED into animals. Just take a look around men and women today are acting more like animals than some animals. Killing their offspring, each other for no reason other than personal satisfaction/gain. God help us to return to YOUR truth.
---tommy3007 on 4/13/10

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jerry6593, Humanity is a special creation, whether or not it evolved...
---ger.toshav on 4/12/10


Why do you have to denigrate the concept of 'evolved animal' by placing 'just' in front of it?

Why can't human beings be animals in your mind? Is there some 'scientific' basis you have for the distinction between humans and animals?
---atheist on 4/12/10

No, man evolved from a ginseng root
---atheist on 4/12/10

A "special creation"--Yes
A "highly evolved animal"---define evolved
A " animal"man and animal are similiar in many ways but not similiar in many ways
---earl on 4/12/10

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Well Jerry, by the behavior and attitude of some men here on line, and the way they talk and treat women, it's hard to argue that man is above an animal. However, No animal was created out of the dust of the earth and GOD BREATHED life into their nostrils and they became a LIVING SOUL. You see, animals do not have souls. And Jesus didn't die on a cross to redeem ANIMALS. He became like US, and took on the seed of Abraham..You suggesting Jesus became Fully God Fully Animal. And what about the verse about the Man Christ Jesus, would it not say "there is no mediator between God and man but the animal Jesus Christ.

Do you see how messy it all gets???
---kathr4453 on 4/12/10

-- Darlene 1 :

Amen ~ Sister ~ Amen
---ShawnM.T. on 4/12/10

God created man and woman in his own,or as he said "our" image,Genesis 1:26,27 Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground,and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,and man became a living soul. Humans didn't evolve from Chimps or any other animal,Adam was created by God. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,so things which are seen are not made of things which do appear.
---Darlene_1 on 4/12/10

If man is evolved from an animal, how come that animal is still not evolving into some kind of thing?
---karenD on 4/12/10

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This is another example of the folly of asking simplistic either/or questions.

There's a third alternative.

Regardless of what processes formed the body of Homo sapiens, and it cannot be successfully denied that there are strong resemblances to other mammals on the biological level, there is much more to a human being than the physical body.
---Cluny on 4/12/10

Oh, Jesus, help me to remember in what I studied on this! Man was created in a special way, by God's own hand man was formed. A special act. Evolutionist, be warned: You will pay for ALL of your lies to this world, and people who believe these lies shall be punished. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 4/12/10

To believe that man evolved from lower animals is open denial of the word of God.

The distinguishing feature of Man in comparison to the animals rest with the Spirit.
---mima on 4/12/10

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