Remember Unbelieving Family
AlanofUK there are things in our lives which prompt us to pray for one another but actually the main reason I am friends with another Christian is because we belong to the same family and are Brother and Sister-in-Christ. As for our bad memories making us who we are I don't have that view of it. I try aways to remember how God helped me through those bad times and I may remember what happened,I don't have the depth of dispair I did when going through those times,but I look at the victory over that with praise in my heart to God for his help. We are physical bodies on earth but will be spiritual bodies in heaven,as such,God will know us as the Spiritual person we were on earth and so will those who know us on earth and they will recognize us.
---Darlene_1 on 5/5/10|
Darlene ... Yes we will be Alan and Darlene, and brother & sister.
But if we have none of the bad memories, I will no longer be Alan, nor will you be Darlene. Our earthly reason for being internt friends and supporters of each other will have been lost.
You will not be the Darlene I knew, nor I the Alan you knew and helped.
Our relationship then will be the same as with all the other millions there. Will we recognise each other?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/30/10|
Darline, that was a great answer. You explained it so well. How is your daughter doing? Keep us informed, blessings
---MarkV. on 4/30/10|
Alan UK yes you will be Alan and I will be Darlene and we will know each other in heaven as the friends and brother and sister-in-Christ that we are on earth. Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the belly I knew you,and before you came forth out of the womb,I sanctified you and ordained you a prophet to the nations. God did that with Jeremiah and I feel sure he knew every one of us in the same way. Our names will/are written in the Book of Life. The only thing we will be in heaven is full of love and ways which please God,we won't miss memories. I don't think we should worry about those things we can't change for God has them all in control.
---Darlene_1 on 4/29/10|
Darlene ... That seems to make us very selfish (no that is the wrong word, there must be a better one) ...
If so many memories re blotted out, will we be the same person that we were before?
How does our soul (or spirit) ow whatever you call the "us" that will be in heaven, be in any way the same as the human person we were here on earth?
Will I be Alan, and you Darlene?
I am wary of worrying about these details!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/29/10|
Leon you might like to know this story. Many many years ago Mom had a very strong feeling she should pray for her uncle. He had been a Christian for most of his life but was in a state of not attending church and doing as he should as a Christian. We all loved him,he was a good person. Mom has always obeyed God's tugging so she prayed earnestly asking God to forgive any sins he had. Later she heard he had died about the time she was praying. 1John 5:16 If any man sees his brother sin a sin which is not unto death,he shall ask,and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death(blasphemey of Holy Ghost):I do not say he shall pray for it. According to this verse Mom believes her uncle was forgiven as she prayed.
---Darlene_1 on 4/29/10|
Aka, predestination is the whole plan of God. Nothing is excluded. Man included. Everything has been preordained. "He worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" Eph. 1:11.
Such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can only be known as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit, through the Word. That is why Tommy said,
" Only God knows who He has chosen. The Scriptures say that "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."
That can only be revealed by the Holy Spirit. All who are predestine to eternal life are the elect, the save, genuine believers, and they all have to hear the Word of God, they will believe and they will be save. None of us know who they are.
---MarkV. on 4/28/10|
I agree Darlene. That's my understanding also. Persons who die in their sin, after a life of rejecting God, will be rejected by God & ejected from the memory of their loved ones in Heaven forever.
---Leon on 4/27/10|
Leon I don't believe we will remember those who died in their sins. I am just using plain old common sense reasoning based on the Bible,we could never be happy in heaven if we could know or even see our lost loved ones in torment. Our joy will be so great to be before the Lord in heaven it will block out all things which are not of God. The Bible says there will be no tears in heaven Revelations 21:4 and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes,and there shall be no more death,neither sorrow,nor crying,neither shall there be anymore pain,for the former things are passed away. All we can do is pray for the salvation for the ones still here.
---Darlene_1 on 4/27/10|
NO! I asked God the other day about my mother, she was not saved. Whar it's like for her. I didn't know if it was appropriate to ask Him and I told God so. He said, "that she is most uncomfortable and that she cannot figure out why she is there....To finish answering your question, We won't remember anything about this life.
---catherine on 4/27/10|
Who is 'we'?
Are you saying that in order for a "predestinationalist" to be saved he/she has to hear the gospel first in order to know he/she is predestined? Then, how does that constitute predestiny?
That sounds like a little circular to me.
Anyway, I don't believe the Lord will allow any man (especially if chosen) to spend the rest of eternity away from His Father because of my ability or lack thereof to spread the Gospel.
---aka_joseph on 4/27/10|
"The memory of the righteous is blessed, But the name of the wicked will rot. A mother will forget him, The worm feeds sweetly till he is no longer remembered."
"The face of the LORD is against those who do evil, To cut off the remembrance of them from the earth."
When the wicked are thrown in the lake of fire "They are dead, they will not live [again], they are shades, they will not arise, to that end 'thou' (Father) has 'visited' (judged) them with destruction and wiped out all remembrance of them.
They shall be as though they had never been. Refs. Pro 10:7>Psa 34:16 >Job 24:20>Isa 26:14>Oba 1:16
---joseph on 4/27/10|
Good points about predestination, very sound.
To the blog question: Luke 16:19-31 speaks of a man tormented in the flames of hell who pleaded for five brethren among the living. Likewise Abraham knew of the reasons for that man to be where he was in hell and he explained to the man that his brethren could avoid his fate if they hear Moses and the prophets. Was Abraham and Lazarus in Heaven? I do not know, but the narrative indicates that there is conciousness and memory in the departed. Neither character were tearing...
---Nana on 4/27/10|
"But, if you are "predestined" as they believe, then why worry about anybody and spread the Gospel." aka joseph
We "worry" about people and spread the Gospel because we are commanded by Christ to preach and we don't know who will believe and who won't. Only God knows who He has chosen. The Scriptures say that "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."
---tommy3007 on 4/27/10|
Leon: I would expect so, since they will not be there - I suspect that God will also remember, even though Jesus did comment 'I never knew you' - but God knows the heart of all, and so God must remember even the people he HAD to send to Hell
This may be a gross error, what I wrote, and I write it for any necessary correction
---peter3594 on 4/27/10|
Leon, No matter what we see or remember, He will wipe our tears.
Predestination is misunderstood by some, used for profit by others, or presented wrongly to deceive. Predestination simply is the plan not the man. Meaning, God set up a plan, so that means His plan was already determined or "predestined." If a man beliefs in the plan, he is now considered "predestined."
Calvinists and others do not believe this. But, if you are "predestined" as they believe, then why worry about anybody and spread the Gospel. You were predestined and they were not. This is opposite of what ALL the Scriptures teach (not just the cherry-picked ones.)
---aka_joseph on 4/26/10|
Leon, I worked hard to get my father to repent of his adultery, gave him the Truth of the Gospel, loved him even though he was a not so good man, etc., and in the end, I told him, "Unless you believe that Jesus was lying, he said, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN and at that my father repented on his death bed. So don't give up hope until the last breath is out of that person's body.
I hope to God I can get through to unsaved family members and friends before they die like I did with my father. I'm STILL praying for them. I have a question, what if they haven't been predestined to know the Lord?
---Donna5535 on 4/26/10|