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Drinking Deadly Poison

Why is it those people who claim signs of having the Holy Spirit is SPEAKING IN TONGUES, HEALING THE SICK, and RAISING THE DEAD, but the neglect the part about PICKING UP SNAKES, and DRINKING DEADLY POISON, as also being signs, and part of the same sentence? Mark 16:17-18.

Moderator - Because the scriptures don't tell you to pick up snakes and drink deadly poison. Reread the scripture you gave.

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Fay -- Biblical hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation concerning the books of the Bible.
You can't be "indoctrinated" by it any more than you can be "indoctrinated" by the study of Law or Accounting.

There are lots of different methods taught in Hermaneudics, but the object of them all is the SAME.. to correctly determine what scripture says, doesn't say, implies or doesn't imply.
---Donna66 on 6/22/10

PRAISE THE LORD!!! It was no mere coincidence today. My son worked an hour over. He wanted a sub. We pulled up in front of subway at the exact time this lady walked out from the thrift store beside it. She was headed to the Z-Coil shoe store on the other side of Subway.They had moved so she was writing down the address when she heard my praise music. She had to come talk to me 'cause it was playing her favorite song, which happens to be one of my favorite songs, too. It was a strange turn of events that brought her there, but it was because of her bad back. After talking for a while we prayed for her back & God healed her. She was crying & praising God. She said this was not about the shoes, it was about her healing.
---fay on 6/21/10

Linda, what you feel with Christ, Spirit and with God is your business. It is your relationship with the Lord. Your teachings come from someone else. Many others feels exactly like you, that is wonderful. I do not argue that at all. When people come around that they can heal all the time, and claim this gift is theirs and that everyone can have it because God wants everyone to heal others but they don't have it because they don't have that faith, or prayed the wrong prayers, or imply that God moves at the beat of their drum, I know there is something wrong there. A person does not even need to be a Christain to know something is very wrong. I see the evidence, no one gets healed. No one comes back from the dead. People still get sick and die.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10

Linda/Fay, I do love both of you even though I do not agree at all on what you teach or believe concerning healing. And as I said before, when people cannot proof something, they go for the throat, you haven't resorted to that and nether has Fay, and I don't want to make you sin, for then you will say something you will not be able to take back, like some have already. So before that happens I leave you both peace. Praying that your walk with Christ be all His will. I have no more to say on this matter. I move on, and let someone else answer this subject.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/10

MarkV, when the Holy Spirit directs me to study something, I do....and then He goes on to confirm and verify what He taught me. So it is with healing. What I have learned did not come from TBN or any other man. It was me, the Holy Ghost, and my Bible in a room by ourselves. Immediately the enemy came to steal the seed and that is where my testimony came from. You can mock that as well if you want, but it doesn't change the truth and what has been made real to me by the same One who taught me.
---LindaS on 6/21/10

MarkV, I have never mocked the prayers of others. Perhaps the reason you think I do is because you do. It is the whole "looking in the mirror" principle.

I go as I am led by the Spirit, not as driven by you or anyone else. I have five children and a husband. They come first...and they are the first ones I lay hands on. Ask them. They will tell you...and they will also give you the same testimonies. Apparently you aren't doing all you say you do or you wouldn't be here.
---Linda on 6/21/10

Linda, when the Spirit directs me to learn something, I study it. Here is why I believe that the healing you, fay, Steven is completely false is because you mock the prayers of others. Somehow something was wrong with their prayers that is not wrong with yours.
If God had given you the ability to heal, 100% success ratio or even 50%, you would not be home entertaining us with what you can do. In fact you would not need to tell anyone anything. You would be moved by the Holy Spirit towards places where many are sick with cancer. The infants first who are dying. You would visit every room and heal everyone. But no, you find yourself on line arguing about your abilities. One little incident in your life, and you call that healing power.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10

Sister Carla, that was a very good explanation. Meeting our Maker right away is really what will happen.
Carla, Theres nothing wrong with the Word of God, and a lot wrong with those who read it. Even though the passages are not considered to be from the originals,
In the context Jesus is speaking to the eleven disciples as they sat at the table. He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart for not believing that others had seen His resurrection, and He begans His context to them by saying, " And He said to them" He was not speaking to the whole church. Matthew 10:1 the gifts to the disciples. At then end, "And they went preached with the Lord working through them, through the accompanying signs, Amen"
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10

MarkV, your religion then is Hermeneutes because you believe what they taught you to believe. You have been indoctrinated by hermeneutes.
---fay on 6/21/10

MarkV, I have already given some testimonies regarding personal healing and healings that took place by the laying on of hands (children with cancer also) and through prayer. You don't receive those testimonies but continue to ask for more. You have set your heart to prove me wrongly because of your exposure to some bad Word of Faith teachings. I wonder if you would believe if you saw it with your own eyes...or would you call it the devil?
---Linda on 6/21/10

Michael e, I sure don't have a better helper then the Holy Spirit and the very reason I said,
"In fact to learn how to interpret "with the help of the Holy Spirit" I took a two year class on hermeneutes, to understand how to correctly read the passages."
The Holy Spirit was the One who influnence me to study God's Word correctly. There is no better helper anywhere, for without Him I can do nothing.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10

Strongaxe, I am not foolish enough to believe that i can pick up snakes and they won't hurt me. I would be a stupid Christian to even try. And how about poison? Never in a hundred million years. Do you know why, because I do not believe the passages say what the others seem to think they say. Powers were given to the apostolic community.
1 Cor. 12:1, the message was explained by Paul on the gifts because the church was dealing with a vital, but controversal subject. The false religion situation in Corinth caused counterfiet spiritual manifestations that had to be confronted. The Church was being informed on this subject by Paul and its behavior would be regulated by the truth and the Spirit. The same event is happening now.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10

Michael e, since you find that using help tools are not needed in your life from anyone, that is wonderful.

I did not say I don't use helps from Anyone, I let the HS lead and guide me, do you have better helps than that?
---michael_e on 6/21/10

I don't recall the scripture to mean tempt or prove God by doing these things. I thought it to mean if while on ministry those in whom Christ had called if they came across anything deadly they were covered by his protection and these things would not harm them.

To assume that you can just pick up deadly snakes and mess with them cos Jesus said you will be protected is ludicrous, but if you were on ministry and some deadly snake bit you
today you would really have to be on a divine saintly mission to survive, and since very few are saved your prolly going to meet your maker a little sooner than later with no antidote (lol)
---Carla on 6/21/10


Do you, yourself, drink poison or pick up snakes?
---StrongAxe on 6/21/10

I like the mod's answer very well,
"Moderator - Because the scriptures don't tell you to pick up snakes and drink deadly poison. Reread the scripture you gave."
The passage doesn't teach to pick up snakes and drink poison, but it teaches that you can and you will not be hurt. If you have faith in those passages, why hasn't Eloy or Linda pick-up snakes or drank poison? The reason is they have no faith in the passage that nothing will happen to them. Yet, they have faith to heal. Why doesn't Eloy drink the poison and have Linda there to heal him? You claim you have the powers from the passages, but you really have no faith. Why? Because you are afraid to die. So you don't take those passages to be completely true.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10

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The Moderator is right. For people who do not have the Holy Spirit cannot rightly discern what the scriptures are saying, but instead they are reading the scriptures devoid of the Spirit and are miscomprehending all sorts of nonBiblical things. lit.Gk: "And these signs will follow them that believe: In my Name they will...get rid of serpents and if took what lethal it will not harm them, they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover." Mark 16:17,18. And just as the Moderator has referred to Paul, when the serpent latched onto Paul, the scriptures read that he shook the serpent off and the lethal venon did not harm him.
---Eloy on 6/20/10

Amen, fay. He is also the one who questions the origin of a child of God by provoking him or her to prove it by a miracle. What is lost is the understanding that the truth of salvation resident in the spirits of born again believers is to be worked out. When I was born again, healing was deposited in my spirit. It works out through faith, but it starts in the spirit. Salvation, if you look it up, contains within it healing, deliverance, peace, joy, righteousness, etc. It is obvious through the blogs that most don't have a problem believing a Christian shouldn't sin. However, sickness is another matter for some reason. Both are aspects of salvation worked out in the body (the temple), as well as the other "investments" God made.
---Linda on 6/20/10

satan is the one who denies Scripture by attacking it's origin.
---fay on 6/20/10

Just as a contribution, my NIV bible has the following statement about Mark 16:9-20,

"Serious doubt exists as to whether these verses belong to to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style, and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or it's original ending has been lost."

It also has the following note:

" 'drink deadly poison'. No occurence of drinking deadly poison without harm is found in the NT."
---Dan on 6/20/10

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Jerry, you are right, I'm sure most of the originals are gone. What I was refering to were the copies of the originals. Thanks for your advice.

Michael e, since you find that using help tools are not needed in your life from anyone, that is wonderful. I for one, am not that smart to remember everything and know everything on my own. If fact to learn how to interpret with the help of the Holy Spirit I took a two year class on hermeneutes, to understand how to correctly read the passages. Of course Jesus is the greatest of all teachers, but even some things he talk about we cannot understand unless we know the culture at the time He spoke. No argument there.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10

God will make you highly intelligent to serve Him with, not the world. We are the smartest and the strongest people in the world, because>>>God is. Hallelujah. Thank You Jesus......Oh, God chooses us out from among, kings, queens, the rich, the princes.
---catherine on 6/20/10

Usually, it is the simple-minded that can hear the Holy Spirit the clearest. Intelligence and logic do very often get in the way of real revelation. That is why God said that He chooses the base things of the world to confound the wise. I will take what the Holy Spirit said personally to me in my time with Him before I would take what someone spent forty years studying. The Pharisees were real students, had their phylacteries and everything, yet they looked God right in the face and missed Him.
---Linda on 6/19/10

MarkV: For future reference, there are NO "original manuscripts" in existence today.
---jerry6593 on 6/20/10

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MarkV Great man whom God has given abilities.. (who are they)

I know only one GREAT man, the Lord Jesus Christ. Why would you believe a man putting foot notes in a Bible is great or inspired?
The evangelist from Baton Rouge has his own Interpretation, do you have that?
I do care to know, but I can put in my own footnotes.
---michael_e on 6/19/10

Michael e, you have the right to do what you want.
Great man whom God has given abilities through hermeneutices, and systematic theologies have given us this help so that we as believers who want the Truth can make note of what is in the original manuscripts and what is not. Many here might find it important and helpful who did not know, so the message was for everyone who cared to know. As for you, its fine to not care.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/10

Are you denying John 14:12?

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father.

"He that believeth", "Because I go to my Father"

Doesn't that mean because Jesus went to heaven & sent His Spirit back to us that anyone who believes on Him can do ALL He did & MORE?

And if you don't believe that are you not denying the power? How can you forget that verse? I just don't understand. Wouldn't
'greater works' encompass all that is written in those verses you say were added later? If so why are they in question? Or do you not believe John 14:12 either?
---fay on 6/18/10

Markv.. Insisting something to be the truth from the passage when the passages are in doubt from the very beginning. Even the authorship is in doubt, it is assume that it might not even be Mark who wrote those passages.

I do not doubt the passages or the authorship, of Mk 16 or 1 John 5:8.
I do doubt that footnotes are inspired
I do read who is speaking, who is being spoken to, and what is the subject.
---michael_e on 6/18/10

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"Did they "Hitler" drink poison like the Jim Jones bunch?"

Yes, according to the history books Hitler died of poison.

Bottomline folks those are some silly strawman arguements. There are crazy people that speak in tongues and there are crazy people that don't. There are Godly people that speak in tongues and there are Godly people that don't.
---Moderator on 6/18/10

//Seeing how Jesus said it is according to your faith, it's obvious you will not reap the benefits of that belief because you do not believe it.// fay

At first, Paul's focus was on his own "thorn". Three times he went to the Father. Three times He was denied by the same One who commissioned healing.

What was Paul's reaction? You would think that Paul's faith would wane, but, in fact, it waxed greatly. Paul received the greatest benefit. Grace.

(Note: This is a great example of why we need to separate Kingdom and Grace. We are commissioned by two different gospels that lead to one salvation...Jesus the Savior.)
---aka.joseph on 6/18/10

"I wonder if Hitler and company didn't speak in tongues. LOL"
---Moderator on 6/17/10

Did they drink poison like the Jim Jones bunch?
---jerry6593 on 6/18/10


There are things that God has commanded us to do, and which actually serve a purpose in spreading the gospel and the kingdom. All of the things you mentioned are part of this list. On the other hand, while shaking off an attacking snake (as Paul did) may do so, there IS no other benefit to drinking poison or handling snakes at all. As such, these actions serve only one purpose: to prove that one is under divine protection. You might as well throw yourself under a bus and expect God to save you.

While jumping in front of a bus to save an innocent child is a risky but noble sacrifice, jumping in front of a bus just to prove that you're invulnerable is foolish and extremely presumptuous.
---StrongAxe on 6/18/10

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Michael e, It does make a difference if you are discussing the same passages concerning snakes and poison. Insisting something to be the truth from the passage when the passages are in doubt from the very beginning. Even the authorship is in doubt, it is assume that it might not even be Mark who wrote those passages.
I don't have any idea why those passages were included. Or who did. And when I saw that all of you were discussing those passages, on snakes, and poison, without anyone mentioning the passages, were in doubt I thought about bringing it to your attention, but 1 Cliff saw it and ask the Moderator. That was the only reason Michael. no other.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/10

Well, It all boils down to the fact that we disagree. Looks like that's not going to change. I'm through arguing about it. I know, am well assured, that Jesus gave all believers power over illness. Seeing how Jesus said it is according to your faith, it's obvious you will not reap the benefits of that belief because you do not believe it. I'm not getting in to a discussion about translations here because it is uneventful. I love you all, but more importantly, God loves you all.
---fay on 6/17/10

MarkV, thanks for your input on Mk 16, but it really makes no difference, whether the vs' are there or not as they don't pertain to the Church the boC
As Paul says they are there for our learning Rom 15:4
---michael_e on 6/17/10

\\CORRECTION! My King James Version DOES NOT have notation about Mark 16:9=20!\\

The Orthodox Church accepts the end of Mark as authentic, and uses it in the Paschal Liturgy.

\\To Stromgaxe, You are not the first person to say to drink poison or handle snakes is testing God. I agree with you on this\\

There's a story that St. John the Evangelist was given a cup of poisoned wine to drink. He blessed it, and the cup shattered and a snake crawled out of it.

There's a similar story in the life of St. Benedict.
---Cluny on 6/17/10

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CORRECTION! My King James Version DOES NOT have notation about Mark 16:9=20!

To Stromgaxe, You are not the first person to say to drink poison or handle snakes is testing God. I agree with you on this.

But I also must ask the question, would it not also be testing God to drive out demons, to speak in new tongues, and to lay hands on the sick, since this things are part of the same sentence?
---Rob on 6/17/10

I wonder if Hitler and company didn't speak in tongues. LOL
---Moderator on 6/17/10

Fay et al, You are welcome to believe whatever you wish but keep in mind that there's no indication that Mark ever met Jesus (neither was he an apostle).
When the KJV was first translated they had only 14th century manuscripts,while today there are fragments going back to 2nd century CE.
---1st_cliff on 6/17/10

I wonder if Jim Jones and company spoke in tongues.
---jerry6593 on 6/17/10

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Michael e, the answer is no, I do not have the original manuscripts. If I did I would have to know how to translate Greek. There is only one original. I need help just like everyone else. The notations given comes from those who know Scripture very well.
"The external evidence strongly suggests that Mark 16:9-20 were not originally part of Mark's gospel. While the majority of Greek manuscripts contain these verses, the earliest and most reliable ones do not. A shorter ending also existed, but it is not included in some texts. Further, some manuscriptues that include the passages note that it was missing from older Greek Copies, while others have scrible marks indicating the passage was considered doubtful.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/10

This verse in Mark says that believers will not be harmed by poisons nor snakes, but it does NOT in any way exhort them to test God by proving this and deliberately drinking poisons and handling snakes. In just the same way that Satan told Jesus that he should throw himself off the temple, because he would not be harmed - which may be true, but Jesus saw no need to prove this by ACTUALLY jumping.

The only actual scriptural reference we have to anyone taking up a snake was when Paul was bitten by the viper - and this was merely divine providence protecting him from an unfortunate accident, and NOT an act of spiritual bravado "See? I can handle snakes! I must be blessed! Let me show you again!".
---StrongAxe on 6/17/10

My New International Version Bible, which was first Printed in 1978 and revised in 1983, has a notation that "THE EARLIEST MANUSCRIPTS AND SOME OTHER ACIENT WITNESSES DO NOT HAVE Mark 16:9-20".

However, my King James Version which was translated much earlier does have this notation.
---Rob on 6/17/10

in fay #2/2
I do think we can have grace without the kingdom, ---aka.joseph

I do not know what I even was trying for here!?!? Obviously, we cannot have grace without the kingdom.

Romans and Hebrews explain alot too.
---aka.joseph on 6/17/10

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Fay, I know this will take time, but I ask you to CAREFULLY STUDY EVERYTHING everything which is written in GALATIANS and EPHESIANS.
---Rob on 6/17/10

---fay #2/2
I do think we can have grace without the kingdom, and that the 4 Gospels are full of wisdom that Gentiles can use with care. 2 Timothy 3:15-16 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

As Gentiles, I think we need to address the kingdom using what God gave us...grace.
---aka.joseph on 6/17/10

---fay #1/2
//are you saying that Matthew, Mark, Luke & John have no meaning unless you are a Jew? Not being critical, just asking, because that's what it sounded like. Can you explain what you did mean?//

I, too, am recently realizing that we are subject to a 'blenderized' gospel. Maybe, this is the root of having so much derision and confusion within and outside of the body of Christ.

I think it is imperative that we learn the difference between Jews and Gentiles. It is also enriching as it makes the mystery of the Gospels so much more profound.

However, ...
---aka.joseph on 6/17/10

Rob: I didn't know or understand THE DIFFERENCE in the Gospels, until I got sick of the blenderized mess that organized religion was serving.
I see that you back up your comments with scripture, you can't do more than that.

As for Mt-Jn. Rom. 15:4 & 15:8 explains

The Church the BoC wasn't, isn't and won't be a part of the Nation of Israel.

MarkV: For what purpose do you think Mk. 16:9-29 was added to your Bible? Do you have an "original"?
---michael_e on 6/17/10

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I did not know that vs 9-20 were added later. So, are you saying that Mark did not write them? Bearing in mind John 21:25, I'm inclined to believe he did.

Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

I understand not wanting to believe this scripture because it sounds so ridiculous in our finite minds. And I realize how hard it is to let go of what you've been taught,but I honestly believe Mark wrote what Jesus said.
---fay on 6/17/10

I believe that 1Cliff is correct. Someone should have mentioned before the discussion started that Mark 16:9-29 verses were not originally part of Mark's gospel. What I believe has happened is that most everyone forgot to mention that first.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/10

Rob, are you saying that Matthew, Mark, Luke & John have no meaning unless you are a Jew? Not being critical, just asking, because that's what it sounded like. Can you explain what you did mean?
---fay on 6/17/10

Fay, as mentioned before, the FOUR GOSPELS were written to the JEWS concerning the KINGDOM. Except for in Matthew Chapter Eighteen, when CHRIST said He will BUILD HIS CHURCH, nowhere in these FOUR GOSPELS will you ever find the CHURCH mentioned.

I try not to criticize people for not knowing there is a difference between the KINGDOM and the CHURCH, because for many, many years, I myself did not know or understand THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

Fay, this is just one part of THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL!
---Rob on 6/16/10

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1stCliff, it is a correct statement that some of the texts don't include the last few verses that you are aluding to.
---Moderator on 6/16/10

\\According to research, the phrase 'take up' means to do away with, in other words, 'command to leave'\\

Whose research, fay?
---Cluny on 6/16/10

Well, I read the Scripture....The snake Scripture>>>This was fulfilled by Paul, who was not hurt by the viper that fastened on his hand, which was acknowledged a great miracle by the barbarous people. And drinking and deadly poisonous thing>>>it shall not hurt them, they shall not only be preserved from hurt themselves, but they shall be enabled to good to others.....I guess we are suppose to just trust God.... In no way do we advocate for anyone, no one to go out and pick up a snake and test God, in noway. Same in the drinking of poison....Thank you++
---catherine on 6/16/10

Moderator, How is it that with your education, that you never pointed out that that part of Mark(16.9-20) is spurious and not found in older mss?
---1st_cliff on 6/16/10

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According to research, the phrase 'take up' means to do away with, in other words, 'command to leave'. And 'serpent' actually refers to satan. Knowing the meaning of the words used changes one's perspective a bit.

Rob, Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21

Rhonda, I never wrote anything in particular about speaking in tongues, yet you attacked on that premise saying it was all about income. I can see that you have been exposed to someone who missused that gift & you have turned bitter. I've been there myself. Bear in mind, there are also many who don't believe in the gifts who abuse what they do have, for money. That's like an atheist saying they will never believe in God because of a few bad Christians.
---fay on 6/16/10

AMEN Michael E. That is the very next point that I was going to bring up.

To Rhonda, in the world we live in today, there are APOSTLES, but every one of them who claim to be an APOSTLE, is a FALSE APOSTLE, and a SERVANT OF SATAN, 2 Corinthians 11:1-15,
---Rob on 6/16/10

Rhonda -- I've read the entire 16th chap. of Mark
What about Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues,
---Donna66 on 6/16/10

Rhonda, your point isn't supported by any scriptures. It is your own personal belief system. Even the scripture Rob listed contradicts what you stated.

Why go down rabbit trails building strawman arguments that have nothing to do with the scriptures listed, nothing to do with Rob's question or anything I stated. If you think speaking in tongues is unbiblical, then open up a new blog and use scripture that backs up your belief. Otherwise, please, please don't just make stuff up.
---Moderator on 6/16/10

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is it your faith that has determined I am jealous? Jealous because you support the idea of tongues which is antichrist to scripture?


Was Christ speaking to the Apostles in Mark 16:14 or do you have some other interpretation because my KJV is very clear

Are you claiming you are an Apostle?

If my opinion offends you then pick up your Bible and quote scripture correctly don't distort it with ideas that are not supported

Christians today are NOT Apostles no matter how hard one tries to IMPLY that idea

this is why lying ministers promote tongues and DISMISS the drinking deadly poison part ...too many dead parishioners would lower their income
---Rhonda on 6/16/10

Reason 1 Mk 16:14 Jesus speaking to the 11,
Also telling them the 11 go into the whole world, which they never did, Acts 8:1
Peter almost immediately addresses the nation of Israel in Acts 2 & 3

If you see anyplace in the OT the 4 gospels, or the early part of Acts, that mentions the body of Christ, which we are a members, would you please point it out.
---michael_e on 6/16/10

I would also like to add the things written in The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, were written to the Jews under the OLD COVENANT, and the OLD DISPENSATION the Kingdom of God.

The Kingdom of God has yet to be established here on earth, because the Jews rejected Christ as their Lord, Messiah, and Kings.

I did not know or understand this for many, many years. Most people today still do not understand this.
---Rob on 6/16/10

The reason for this, is because healing the sick, speaking in tongues, and raising the dead are ALL GOOD and GODLY things. Picking up snakes and drinking deadly poison is TESTING God - which (except for giving finances) is NOT okay with God, and is sin. There are CULTS that do these things, and are glorifying Satan in doing so. The scripture is really talking about if you HAPPEN to drink deadly poison (unknowingly) or be around a poisonous snake (that happens to bit you), you will not be harmed (because of the anointing and blood of Christ).
---Leslie on 6/16/10

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I am here to say that if tongues is a money-making venture, I have yet to see the millions I should have from speaking in tongues. That was a first, Rhonda.

I am with the Apostle Paul:
"I speak with tongues more than you all."
He was talking to the carnal "look at my gift" Corinthians. He never told them to stop doing it. He rearranged their way of thinking about it. Jude also says that praying in the Holy Ghost builds you up on your Most Holy faith. It didn't end with Acts.
---Linda on 6/16/10

Rhonda, your point isn't supported by any scriptures. It is your own personal belief system. Even the scripture Rob listed contradicts what you stated.
---Moderator on 6/16/10

Rhonda, how in the world can you be jealous of me? I've learned people usually lash out like that because they are jealous.
---fay on 6/16/10

Many times in scripture Jesus told people it was according to their faith. And he told some it was a matter of prayer & fasting. Well, it isn't easy to maintain faith when so many are against it. It also has to do with forgiveness. I also find it hard to believe this meant to drink poison on purpose. There are many missionaries who have had poison sneaked on them & it did not hurt them, I'd say that was forgiveness. Myself, someone sneaks poison on me, I'd have a very hard time forgiving.
---fay on 6/16/10

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Then Fay why don't you pick up that snake and drink the deadly poison?

There were MANY who believed Jim Jones and he preached your wicked lies too

many will follow the lying false ministers of the world this is why speaking in tongues is a money making venture of MANY professing christianity yet having no understanding of the scriptures they misuse

tongues in today's world is babbling ...there is no language spoken

tongues when you UNDERSTAND the accounts in the book of Acts and pray for understanding is to HEAR someone in your own language YET they are SPEAKING in their own language

tongues today is simply a bogus hoax DUPED onto MANY ...religious men and their christian entertainment nothing more
---Rhonda on 6/16/10

Mar 16:17 " And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues,
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

No where does it say this verse is only meant for the disciples of that day or apostles. It means me & you.

Joh 17:20 " Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,"
I believe through their word so it means me.

Joh 17:22 " And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one:"
---fay on 6/16/10

Moderator how true but the scriptures ALSO don't support speaking in tongues as I'm sure you DID READ the entire account in Mark 16

Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe ...they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover

these scriptures are speaking ABOUT the Apostles SEEING Christ was ONLY SPEAKING to the Apostles understood when you read Mark 16:14

tongues is simply one of the MANY LYING wonders many brands of religious christianity have adopted that is UNSUPPORTED by scripture

as Rob was pointing out
---Rhonda on 6/16/10

Rob, please reread the scripture that you wrote. The scripture doesn't state that Christians are to pick up snakes and drink poison. When Paul picked up a snake that was on his hand, do you think that Paul was doing that on purpose? I don't think so nor is that scripture stating to.
---Moderator on 6/16/10

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Apparently, Rob, you've not heard of the Appalachian snake handlers in Alabama and elsewhere who do those very things.

Author Dennis Covington (with whom I went to high school and played in the band!) has written a book on his experiences with these people.
---Cluny on 6/16/10

Rob -- your question sounds like one from the former "Jim Jones" cult: Jonestown in Guyana, South America.

Jim Jones told everyone to drink cyanide-lace Kool Aid with him. In effect, commit SUICIDE with him. Committing SUICIDE isn't from God at all.

God decides the timing of our lives, not us. Murder, of yourself or other people, is something that the Bible condemns in the Ten Commandments.

Moderator: Good Advice!
---Augie on 6/16/10

Here is Mark 16:17-18 as it is written.

And these signs will accompany those who believe, In my name THEY WILL drive out demons, THEY WILL speak in new tongues, THEY WILL pick up snakes with their hands, AND WHEN they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all,
---Rob on 6/16/10

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