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New Bodies In Heaven

Since we will have new bodies in Heaven, why do we come back for our old ones from the grave?

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There are both "good" and "bad" signs and wonders. The good signs and wonders come from God (Daniel 6:27, John 20:30, Acts 2:22, Acts 14:3, Acts 2:43, Romans 15:19, Hebrews 2:4), the bad signs and wonders come from Satan (Mark 13:22, Luke 11:16).

Christians are to have a strong personal relationship with God through Jesus to know which are which.

The purpose of God's signs and wonders prove the existance of God. Not to the believers, but to the unbelievers. John 4:48
---Steveng on 6/28/10

fay, don't you just hate it when people don't roll over and admit you're right when you fire your first shot?
---Cluny on 6/28/10

MarkV, you have control of this site & you will pay the penalty someday for your lying about hermeneutics being their own religion & for covering up your lie.

To everyone else, including moderators, etc. I have revealed the truth about MarkV's "religion". There comes a time when everyone must see the truth & the truth here is that this site is overrun by MarkV's religion which is full of unbelief. Even Jesus did not many mighty works in certain areas because of the unbelief. Mat 13:58 So, this is where I shake the dust from my feet as a testimony against your unbelief. Mat 10:14, Mrk 6:11, Lk 9:5.
---fay on 6/28/10

Fay, The Lord has given me not only the ability to answer, but the answers and the Truth of God's Word.
2 Tim. 4:3,4: .....they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned into fables"
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10

I had to laugh when I read the above, from mr self acclaimed.
If you've watched any length of time this poser has run from every prophet in the Bible. Timothy was describing his ministry of fables. He aply found it an should look in a mirror when reciting.
Psalm 119:69
The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
---Trav on 6/27/10

Jesus did not approve of "signs".He spoke of a generation as a "sign seeking generation".Such remains even today.
It is evident that sign seekers looking at unusual wonders are off track.This clears the path to prevent confusion.
---earl on 6/26/10||

I've already mentioned this phenomenon--the Prot pilgrim who runs after signs.
---Cluny on 6/27/10

Earl, I think we are one the same page, as far as us knowing Jesus' voice..but the sign thing, not so much...Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences, and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars, and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring,
---a_friend on 6/26/10

Here is the verse Cluny is talking about..Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
---a_friend on 6/26/10

Yes, pay close attention to MarkV's loyalty to his denomination. One who takes their Statement of Faith, Doctrine, etc... of the internet so no one could call it a denomination. What deceit!
---fay on 6/26/10

//Jesus did not approve of "signs".He spoke of a generation as a "sign seeking generation".Such remains even today.//

For someone who didn't approve of signs, He sure did a lot of them, and then went on to confer that authority to His disciples. The Pharisees were constantly wanting Him to prove who He was by a sign, because of their unbelief. True believers know that signs and wonders follow them that believe. If you have something following you, you don't have to seek for it. You know where it is....behind you, right along with goodness and mercy. Big difference between someone seeking after a sign and those who have signs following.
---Linda on 6/26/10

Jesus did not approve of "signs".He spoke of a generation as a "sign seeking generation".Such remains even today.
It is evident that sign seekers looking at unusual wonders are off track.This clears the path to prevent confusion.
---earl on 6/26/10

||The sheep knows not to be led away by an imposter.
---earl on 6/26/10||

Jesus also mentioned lying signs and wonders that could deceive the elect, too.
---Cluny on 6/26/10

Did not Jesus speak on the sheep hearing his voice and the sheep knows it's master.The sheep knows not to be led away by an imposter.
---earl on 6/26/10

Athiest, you are right, there is so many different answers from so many bloggers. I believe the one reason that happens is there lack of devotion to study for themselves through many means we are given. When the Spirit is guiding an individual, that individual will do whatever is necessary to learn the Truth from Scripture. Of course he will run into many difficulties but that should not stop him. I believe here we have many who have been taught by certain people who never knew themselves the real Truth, and they follow them no matter what. So what I think is happening is that many are not been guided by the Spirit but by their own agenda's. Loyalty to a denomination, or to a persons teachings. They replace the Truth for a lie.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/10

earl, Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe it not. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert, go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not. Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
---a_friend on 6/25/10

How will we know Jesus?The sheep hear his voice as did the woman near his tomb.
---earl on 6/25/10

Christianity isn't a religion. It is a living, breathing relationship with God through the Holy Spirit and because of the work of Christ.

Many religions out there...most serve a dead god who isn't even alive. That is why "it" demands their death to get whatever it is they died for (wives, riches, salvation, honor, whatever....). Death cannot produce anything but death. Jesus got up and will not pass through death again.
---Linda on 6/25/10

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I think you have noticed that I try not to denigrate people for the comfort they find in god. I am also often astounded by the disconnect between the venacular use of "Christian" (do unto others/beautitudes) and what I read here.

What bothers me most is the devisiveness that seeds mistrust and eventually hatred of those having different beliefs. (This is not something limited to Christians.)

The question of 'hell' is part of that, with seemingly everyone believing that almost everyone else will burn in hell, or at least not live forever in heaven next to the one true god.

That attitude is filled with the idea that "I am better than you, because of what I believe and you don't believe."
---atheist on 6/25/10

Athiest, I didn't want my response to sound bad towards you personally. That was not the purpose of me answering you. As someone else quoted, you have been very kind in answering or questioning others without throwing the sink at them. Alot better then some so call Christians who really look forward to calling me something. Your demeanor, you should be a Christain, is great but your questions have been answered so many times and you keep asking them. It is not to find out the Truth, it is to proof to others that what they believe is false. So your purpose is different then those who answer you.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10

earl, that was post-resurrection scripture.
So is this...
John 20:26-27 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands, and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Believe or not believe.. You cannot get the Truth from your fictional Urantia Book.
---micha9344 on 6/25/10

**If Jesus possessed post resurection scars and marks of a cruxifiction then his resurected body had imperfections in it.
---earl on 6/25/10

I disagree.

How else will we know the REAL Jesus from an impostor?

It says in the Bible He had them! So. St. Thomas was smart in being so careful.

I will even suggest that the wounds the martyrs bore for Christ's sake will be among the ornaments of heaven. (This is an opinion, not an article of my faith.)
---Cluny on 6/25/10

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Earl, 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. The Bible does not say what substance our bodies will be, it just tells us they will be glorified. 1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption: 1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power:
---a_friend on 6/25/10

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy, the second man is the Lord from heaven.
---a_friend on 6/25/10

\\Cluny,And what substance was their bodies made of?
---earl on 6/25/10\\

When you find out, you can tell me.

All I know is what the Bible says will happen at the General Resurrection at the Return of Christ to rapture His Church at the end of the Tribulation and just before the Last Judgement:

Philippians 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto him
---Cluny on 6/25/10

atheist, all I can give you are Gods words. But yes, I believe everyone has an opportunity to accept Jesus. I believe that a child who has not reached the age of accountability will go to Heaven. If you have only seconds before dieing, and you cry out to the lord to save you, He will. Here is His word of that..Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---a_friend on 6/24/10

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Cluny,And what substance was their bodies made of?
---earl on 6/25/10

micha,Can,in Jesus's appearances to his followers, flesh and blood appear and dissappear in thin air?If Jesus possessed post resurection scars and marks of a cruxifiction then his resurected body had imperfections in it.
---earl on 6/25/10

Athiest, they cannot make you understand, that is why you are in unbelief. Whatever anyone say, you do not believe. That is why you keep asking the questions. Over and over you have ask them, but not out of wanting to know, because if you were seeking the Truth, you would know it, since Scripture tells us no one seeks after God. If you were seeking, God would reveal it to you, but the reason you do not know is because you ask questions to redicule what believers believe, a different purpose. You are not really seeking. You seem to know Scripture, but knowing it and believing it are two different things. So you mock what others say, out of unbelief.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:42-43 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took [it], and did eat before them.
Luk 24:51-52 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Quite unlike earl's version...
---micha9344 on 6/24/10

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Does Your post state restoration and resurection of a person's original physical flesh and blood body \\

You didn't read all my post. I also said, "glorified".

Some say "transformed." 1 Cor 15 simply says "changed."

I'm of the opinion (not necessarily an article of my faith) that it will be the same kind as Adam and Eve had before their fall. Definitely (and this IS an article of my faith) the same kind that Jesus had at His resurrection.

What it was changed to at Christ's Resurrection did not prevent His Ascension into Heaven.

So, I believe (as part of my faith) it will be with us.

I don't obsess over the details. It's in God's hands.
---Cluny on 6/24/10

a friend,

Your flurry of quotes, as usual does nothing to answer my questions?

Am I to take it that you believe somehow that every man, woman, and child on this earth has the opportunity to accept your religion before they die, and so if they haven't embraced your religion by the time they die, (some having just a matter of a few weeks or hours or minutes or seconds), will burn in hell?

Are they mocking god?
---atheist on 6/24/10

Does Your post state restoration and resurection of a person's original physical flesh and blood body .From here, I read that it remains flesh and blood if it is a restoration.
Spirit form is not combustable-carbon based as a physical form.The physical element chart is just that- physical and the composition of the human form is found on the chart.The non physical -spirit element chart (Paul calls it a greater substance)is not in our physical domain.
The person who dissappeared in a whirlwind of fire is a good description of how change occurs in a twinkling of an eye.
---earl on 6/24/10

atheist, its not our terms..listen up! Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
---a_friend on 6/24/10

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This applies to all, for ignorance is no excuse.---micha9344 on 6/24/10

So even people who have fervently followed the tenets of their faith will still burn in hell, if have not been saved according to your terms?
---atheist on 6/24/10

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: that He is "...not wishing for any [person] to perish but for all to come to repentance." (II Peter 3:9), and that He has done everything possible to save us from that terrible, terrible place. Yet in the end God will not violate or overrule the deliberate choice of those who consciously and willfully turn away from Him.
---a_friend on 6/24/10

\\Cluny,Can flesh and blood enter heaven?
---earl on 6/23/10\\

Are you saying you don't believe the Bible where it says our physical bodies will be changed in 1 Cor 15 and elsewhere?
---Cluny on 6/24/10

Anyone who does not accept Jesus in His finished work as your replacement for God's judgement of your actions against Him is not going to be with Him in eternity.
Hell is a temporary place before being cast into the lake of fire, total absence from God. This applies to all, for ignorance is no excuse. Death is temporary since it is also cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 1:18,20:13-14 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead, and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen, and have the keys of hell and of death...And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.--micha9344 on 6/20/10
---micha9344 on 6/24/10

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What about people who have never heard of hell? Do they still go there?

Or is hell a place for people like me who have heard of the idea of hell, but just don't believe?

Same question for god...Do people who have never heard of god, go to hell if they don't believe in god? Or is it for people like me who have heard of god but don't believe in god?

And finally, what about people who believe in hell and god, such as Islamists, do they go to hell because they believe in the wrong god?
---atheist on 6/23/10

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
---a_friend on 6/24/10

We don't! There is no scripture that says "we come back for bodies." We are given new "immortal" bodies at the last trump - at Jesus' second coming. Thus, no one goes to heaven before that time.
---jerry6593 on 6/24/10

A finite body could not exist in an infinite world so we will get new celestial (angelic) like bodies as we are caught up and "transformed" from the visible to the invisible world.
Angels have bodies but we can't see them.

Souls live forever including those headed for hell which is also eternal.
The permanency of hell is terrifying and sad as the anti-Christs and atheists will never see relief from the pain and terror. This is why evangelism is critical. So many are fooled and blinded by their own rebellion, as if the fact they don't believe in hell has anything to do with its existence.
---larry on 6/23/10

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Friendly Blogger,
Will that restoration include memories?

And if they do, won't those above be aware of those loved ones below who are suffering in eternal flames?

Seems that heaven would not be so enjoyable if one knew that Auntie was writhing in pain for all of eternity down there. Wouldn't one be tempted to ask god, if Auntie hadn't burned quite enough after a few centuries? And if he said no, would you still enjoy his company?
---atheist on 6/23/10

You are confused, my friend....The resurrection will provide a resurrection body suitable for life in the consummated Kingdom of God [1 Corin. 15: 35-56].
---catherine on 6/23/10

It depends if you are resurrected at the first resurrection or the second.

Besides, wasn't Jesus resurrected in his earthly body and then taken up into heaven in that body? Mary wasn't able to touch him because he hasn't yet ascended into heaven, but after ascending and coming back to earth by God, Thomas believed when he saw the wounds.
---Steveng on 6/23/10

The nature of the resurrection body is not truly specified but it will be appropriate for the environment in which we will dwell have features so it ca be recognized by others and automatically restored [no amputations or disfigurements].
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/23/10

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Cluny,Can flesh and blood enter heaven?
---earl on 6/23/10

I thought believers believe that after death, if you don't go to hell, you would be free forever of the flesh and its temptations.
---atheist on 6/23/10

Where did you get the idea we got new bodies in heaven?

Our old bodies, which are an essential part of our human nature, are raised, restored to their primal beauty, and glorified: changed "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye."

The idea we get new bodies anywhere is just the old pagan idea of reincarnation, which is incompatible with Christianity.
---Cluny on 6/23/10

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