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Are Ghosts For Real

Do people become ghosts when they die?

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 ---jerry6593 on 8/11/10
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There is only one ghost my friend, the Holy Ghost that was given out on the day of Penecost according to Acts chapter 2. People do not become ghost. A ghost is something man made up to be a ..disembodied spirit. Believe you me, you can have a demon living inside you or the Holy Ghost from God almighty, evidence speaking in tongues,,I'll take Jesus.
---judy6696 on 11/8/10

King Saul had outlawed witchcraft....but went to the witch of Endor to ask her to call the Prophet back from the dead...she was afraid , but did it....the Prophet gave King Saul his answer , and told him he was condemned for the sin of necromancy .

Calling a soul back from the dead is possible, but a deadly sin....danger of losing your soul.

Apparitions who just appear to terrify you or your home are evil spirits , demons--but 'greater is He that's within you, than he that's in the world'.
---Ann on 8/31/10

Ghosts are not real. When you die your spirit lives on either in hell or heaven depending on your relationship down here with the "Lord Jesus Christ.+
---catherine on 8/30/10

1st_Cliff, your quote: 'God would not promote anything that is deceitful!'
Though God is not deceitful, He does allow His creatures to be for His own (good) ends:
1 Kings 22:22 'By what means?' the LORD asked. "'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. "'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Also, you said, 'What is the opposite of everlasting life?'
The spectrum is: [Destruction | Death | Life | Prosperity] (Deut. 30:15). It's two-way in the herenow with a chance to traverse it - not so hereafter. After a hiatus away from the physical (in the spirit) we'll be rewarded an incorruptable physical body, or be reunited with the old one.
---John_II on 8/27/10

I am a SDA, and I am not a vegetarian.
Not all SDA are vegetarians.
But it is a healthier choice, it is God's original diet, and some adventist simple choose a better diet, and healthier lifestyle.
I grew up on a farm, so to me any celebration must included killing the fatted cow, sheep, goat, or chicken.
---francis on 8/26/10

Jerry6953, I would like to ask you a question.(off topic) because i don't know any SDAs. Not to criticize but to be informed!
Why are SDAs vegetarian when so much meat eating is mentioned in scripture,even with God's blessing? Do you/they eat fish?
---1st_cliff on 8/23/10

Cliff: In Jesus' day, the Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection of the dead as did Jesus' disciples. Seems like the Sadducees are still with us. The best example of a true Christian's understanding of the state of the dead is that of one of Jesus' closest friends, Martha. When discussing her brother Lazarus' state in death with Jesus, she said:

Joh 11:24,25 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection ...

Note that Jesus did NOT correct her by saying that Lazarus was alive as a spook in heaven, but implicitly confirmed that He would perform the resurrection of the dead AT THE LAST DAY (consistent with 1 Thes 4:13-18).
---jerry6593 on 8/21/10

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
---TheSeg on 8/18/10

Strong Axe, The vision must have been in 3D to be so vivid that the Apostles thought they were real (That's virtual reality!)
Jesus was simply telling them that He was not a "visualized" spirit being, it had nothing to do with dead persons, that He was the same Jesus who had been killed the Friday before,but back to life!
Scripture does not say Rich Man had no compassion,in fact he said "warn my brothers" He didn't shoo the beggar away but fed him ,albeit scraps!
The meaning of this parable is quite comprehensive!
---1st_cliff on 8/18/10

Jesus said that the girl was not dead but sleeping.

Now theres an Old saying to use sleep to mark death.

Well while you are asleep you are not conscious of anything in the outside relms but inwardly you still think and with searching for the truth you still reason and behave with caution.

I had a very serious vision on Monday and I seiously believe the transition from life to death leaves the mind (spirit) alive.
---Carla on 8/18/10


At the Transfiguration, the apostles wanted to provide food and shelter to Moses and Elijah - something totally unnecessary if they had no bodies.

Resurrection replaces our mortal corruptible body with an immortable incorruptible one. What would be the point of Jesus getting such a body, if he was going to lose it a mere 40 days later and become a disembodied spirit?

As far as the Rich Man, compare Matthew 25:31-46, where all come before Jesus for judgment, and those without compassion are cast into everlasting punishment.
---StrongAxe on 8/18/10

Strong Axe, Angels are "spirit beings" they don't have flesh and bones as Jesus was referring to,they are not "dead people". Jesus was resurrected and not yet ascended to heaven where he resumes life as a "spirit being"(altho not an angel)
There's nothing "untrue" about the illustration it just has to be understood ,The beggar had no 'spiritual" merritt that gave him salvation.The RM did nothing wrong to send him to a literal fire, You need to understand the parallel!
---1st_cliff on 8/18/10


I don't define death, just list scriptures showing there is something beyond. You can define it if you like, but you have to explain how those scriptures correlate with your definition.

The witch of Endor saw Samuel in a vision, but the Bible calls him Samuel, not "illusion of Samuel". Jesus spoke in metaphors, but always using real illustrations, so his listeners could understand. He never spoke in terms of things that were manifestly untrue.

Jesus said he had flesh and bones, unlike a ghost (which he would not have said if ghosts did not exist) - do you think he would ever have said "I have no horns, unlike a unicorn"?

"Sleep" is a common euphemism for death, even today.
---StrongAxe on 8/18/10

Strong Axe, You're not answering my Qs.-Definition of perish,opposite of everlasting life,Psl 146 etc.
The witch of Endor saw a visionary image of Samuel in her mind (Saul did not see him)
Jesus taught in "parables" like the R M and L, an illustration (metaphor)
The transformation was a "vision" (vs 9)
"That sleep in the dust" means they're dead
Jesus told Martha that Lazarus was "sleeping" and in the same vs. said "he's dead"! The bible is not a "literal book"!
---1st_cliff on 8/18/10


Of course death exists, but is it eternal? The witch of Endor saw Samuel. Jesus taught about the rich man being in torment (which would have been bogus if the dead are unconscious). And remember the Transfiguration.

He also told Thomas he had flesh and bones, unlike a ghost (Luke 24:39). If ghosts did not exist, he would have instead said so, instead of being deliberately evasive.

Daniel 12:2
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

The Jehovah's Witnesses say the ultimate punishment is permanent senseless death, but if so, why would God deliberately raise people as punishment as Daniel points out?
---StrongAxe on 8/17/10

Strong Axe, What I glean from your argument is that you're convinced that there's no such thing as "death"? The "dead" are actually still alive in some form?
Jn.3.16 "..that they shall not "perish" but have everlasting "life"
Two things need to be addressed here: the meaning of "perish" and "everlasting life"
What is the opposite of everlasting life?
How could Samuel hear the call since you said " they don't have ears"
Psl.146.4 "His breath goeth forth,he retureth to his earth,in that very day his thoughts perish" this a true statement?
---1st_cliff on 8/17/10

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50% does not a prophet make.
And the point is clear, Samuel was called Samuel because it was Samuel for Samuel did not lose Samuel's name after Samuel died.
But thanks for that input about not losing his name, that was a good one.
---micha9344 on 8/17/10


Yes, God forbade the consulting of the dead - not because it doesn't work, but because we should be getting our counsel from God, and not others.

If you look at the Ten Commandments for example, none of them forbid practices that don't work - they all forbid things that DO work, but have bad consequences.

Saul tried to contact Samuel, and succeeded - and Samuel was extremely annoyed at Saul for doing so.

(There is a joke: a party game game called Blasphemy Roulette, where people take turns making more and more blasphemous statements - the last person not struck by lightning wins! The point here is that blasphemy IS an effective way to get God's attention, but it is a very bad way.)
---StrongAxe on 8/17/10

Micha9344, At least 50% of Nostradamus' prophecies have come true..does that qualify him as a true prophet?
One does not lose their name even after death..what's your point?
Carl, if you look closely you'll see that my reasoning is quite "Scripture..IE God forbade the consulting of the dead etc..
It's satan's lie that the dead are still alive.Period!
---1st_cliff on 8/17/10

What I personally find compelling is, as Strongax pointed out, Samuel prophesied and it came true. The sign of a true prophet as described in scripture.
Another area of interest is all the times the Bible called him Samuel and not spirit, nor apparition, nor vision, nor whatever else he 'could have been'.
---micha9344 on 8/16/10

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1st Cliff,to the point

I find your reasoning quite argumentive, in terms of giving scriptual refs to your argument, what I love about strong axe on this occassion is his scriptual refs that make valid his resonings.

I belive that we are all striving for the same cause but when I read reasoning that controdicts a well balance debate, It saddens my spirit cos there is nothing gained.

well done strongaxe you are a great example of sound reasoning on this.
---Carla on 8/17/10


This is the type of response I take note of cos I believe when your conversation is seasoned with a Christlike manner you win a soul that has been indoctrinated with false teaching, why? because the bible said:

Hbr 4:12
For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The Truth will set you free, but the truth can only set you free if you know the word although it does work both ways.

---Carla on 8/17/10

Strong Axe, God forbade the consulting of the dead,which was a pagan practice.
Satan promotes this to give credence to the false notion that the soul is immortal!
I have seen "psychics" mimic the dead person's voice and describe their clothing!
Sammy Davis Jr., Rich Little etc. could perfectly impersonate many notables!
Satan will "fake" anything to get believers!
God would not promote anything that is deceitful! Saul was already on a slippery slope!
---1st_cliff on 8/17/10


Why do you say that the apparition that the witch of Endor saw was Satan's doing? The Bible does not say so.
1) The apparition was one of the prophet Samuel
2) Saul recognized it as being Samuel
3) Samuel strongly objected to being contacted in this way, as it was forbidden
4) He spoke as Samuel would have spoken in real life
5) His words were judgment of Saul,
according to God's previous words
6) His words included a prophecy of Saul's death
7) That prophecy was accurate
Now why would Satan fake any of those thing?
---StrongAxe on 8/16/10

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Strong Axe, I hope I never become one of those creatures you described!
I love to "see", sun sets,sun rises, friends etc.
I love to "hear" music, voices birds etc.
I love to "smell" flowers, perfumes, baking
I love to"eat" good, nourishing, tasty food!
I love to "walk" with friends, pets or alone!
I love to pick up and examine interesting stuff!
NO, my resurrection will be essentially as I am only without ailments or aging to enjoy the New earth promised by God!
The appearance by the witch of Endor was satan's doing!They do not appear naked because they're dead! They can't "appear"!
---1st_cliff on 8/16/10


Spirits don't need to see, hear, smell, eat, walk, pick up objects, etc. So they don't need ears, eyes, noses, mouths, arms, legs, internal organs, etc. I don't think that spirits have human bodies at all - it's just that when interacting with us limited humans, they "project" a visual image that seems "normal" to us - two arms, two legs, a face, hair... and clothes.

Otherwise, how do you explain the vision that the witch of Endor had of Samuel? I have shown one example when they DO explicitly appear clothed. Can you show any examples when they are explicitly stated NOT to be clothed?
---StrongAxe on 8/16/10

Strong Axe, So you see these "sightings" are virtual reality.
1st these souls/spirits/beings or whatever are "invisible" Give me one good reason they would wear clothing!
Modesty? The bible says those that actually go to heaven do not mary ,so like the Angels, are "unsexed" (personally I believe this happens after resurrection)
Comfort? They are impervious to temperature!
Conclusion, This is virtual reality, they are dead. No "actual" sighting takes place!
Do you think God and all the Angels get "dressed" in the morning, shoes and all?
---1st_cliff on 8/16/10

I understand "vision".

It is a mystical experience that is somewhat hallucanitory (much like a dream), where our brain registers visual phenomena that are not present in the physical world. But it IS visual.

When you dream about people, do those people wear clothes? Presumably yes - because if people in our dreams are unclothed or clothed in manners different than in real life, these would draw our attention. It's the same with visions - Samuel's visual image to the witch of Endor appeared to be wearing clothes sufficiently distinctive that she could describe them to Saul, and Saul could immediately identify whose they were.
---StrongAxe on 8/15/10

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I once read of an experiment that tested the weight of a person at death to determine if there were any weight loss. I recall that there was a minute loss. Can anyone give me info on where I can find anything on this?
---John on 8/15/10

Strong Axe, This (whatever it is ,that is said to leave the body at death) weighs less than a human hair (so some claim) wearing cotton,linen,wool or whatever, just smacks of mysticism ,crystal balls,table rappings and black magic!
Unless, of course, Wamart,has a branch store in heaven!
As for Moses and Elijah,vs. 9 says it was a "vision" not a reality!
In Revelation ,John describes various "dead" in certain situations, Again, Revelation is one big "vision" of future happenings!
Do you understand "Vision?"
---1st_cliff on 8/15/10


There are documented cases of people who had died, but who later appeared without being resurrected. Samuel appearing to Saul and the Witch of Endor was one. Moses and Elijah appearing to Jesus at the transfiguration was another. In the absence of any other comments to the contrary, it seems that in such appearances, those appearing appear as they commonly appeared in life - that is, clothed. If they were naked, that would certainly have been quite noticeable and likely commented upon.
---StrongAxe on 8/15/10

Strong Axe, I do believe that when you die, that's it, but not forever, there's the resurrection!
Think about it..Samuel wearing clothes..the clothing remains in the casket,how was it that he was "dressed"? That's a "dead" giveaway! (excuse the pun)
---1st_cliff on 8/15/10

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I normally look it up but could not remember the man's name any help?
---Carla on 8/13/10

Luke 16:19-31 rich man

Notice how the poor man Lazarus was given a name and the rich man was not. First...last, last...first.
---aka on 8/14/10

Rev 6:10

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

1Ch 10:13
So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, [even] against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking [counsel] of [one that had] a familiar spirit, to enquire [of it],

Luk 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.
---Carla on 8/14/10


Samuel was dead, but (unless you believe, as the Saduccees did, that when you die, that's it forever), he was somewhere in some form. The witch was obviously not expecting anyone to show up when she called, but someone did, much to her surprise.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/10

Strong Axe, There was no such thing as "the real thing" Samuel was dead!
Satan or his demons knew what kind of clothes he wore,as with all "spiritualists", they can even mimic the dead person's voice, once they go into their "trance" (which is yielding themselves to any evil influence) I have witnessed people in this state, and it is " scary"
---1st_cliff on 8/14/10

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If Samuel was not really there in some capacity, how could the witch of Endor possibly know what kinds of clothing he normally wore? Saul didn't see him, but she did. That was why she was so frightened - she was probably used to making things up for her clients, and not at all used to encountering the real thing.
---StrongAxe on 8/13/10

If people do not become ''ghosts'' living spirits then what happened to Saul when he contacted the witch to called up Samuel from the dead?

maybe evil people who disobeyed God exist in perdition?

I don't know, but there's evidence of the dead speaking in some cases, such as the one who asked for water for his tongue because hell was so hot?

I normally look it up but could not remember the man's name any help?
---Carla on 8/13/10

1st Cliff, good point.
---ger.toshav on 8/13/10

ger.toshav, The witch simply described the clothes Samuel was wearing and Saul recognized this. He did not "see" a ghost!
Do invisible dead ghosts wear clothes??
if so ,why? climate or modesty?
If modesty why sexed? they cannot procreate!
The whole thing is a scam!
---1st_cliff on 8/13/10

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Was Jesus speaking of ghost here in luke 24:37-38-39-40-41-42-43

" But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

And he took it, and did eat before them."
---mima on 8/13/10

StrongAxe, you are probably right about that. You make a good point!
---ger.toshav on 8/12/10


Perhaps the reason the Witch of Endor was so spooked was that maybe she was a fraud (like many mediums today), expecting nobody to show up, and was genuinely surprised when a real spirit actually DID show up.
---StrongAxe on 8/11/10

\\Cluny, Do you mean "death is not final" because it certainly is fatal! or are you just being ambiguous?
---1st_cliff on 8/11/10\\

Didn't you read all of what I said?

I meant "Death is not fatal" because it is not the last word, but only temporary.

The Resurrection will come when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation to gather His people at the Rapture and Last Judgement.
---Cluny on 8/11/10

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Oh, for goodness sakes, that's ridiculous!
---catherine on 8/11/10

That woman at Endor brought up the spirit of Samuel for Saul's benefit. So maybe there's something to ghosts. But who knows...
---ger.toshav on 8/11/10

Joh 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
Joh 1:48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God, thou art the King of Israel.

Joh 1:50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

Joh 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
---TheSeg on 8/11/10

I agree with the posts already posted. Our bodies are in the graves & our spirits/souls back with God . then both are joined at the ressurection. The demons can be the spirits that people see.
---Candice on 8/11/10

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Like Casper? Yes, but they are not as friendly as him. Strench, Stinkie, and Fatso are better examples of current ghosts. Fatso has been seen in many hunting houses.

And by the way, when people died, they must head to Ghost Central, where new spirits are trained to learn the proper ghost lifestyle and work to receive a haunting license. And if any one is interested, Evil Kibosh is not in charge of the school anymore. Long story.....

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/11/10


I did not believe in ghost until over 20 years ago when something happened.

I went to visit my younger sister who was attending college in another State.

I was at her home alone while she was going to her classes in college. I had a glass of juice. When I was finished I placed the glass in her sink.

A few minutes later, I heard a crashing sound coming from the kitchen. When I went to investigate, the glass I had I had placed in the sink was on the floor broken.

When my sister came home from her classes I told her what happened. The respose from my sister was "THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME".

Back then, my sister lived directly behing a Funeral Home.
---Rob on 8/11/10

Cluny, Do you mean "death is not final" because it certainly is fatal! or are you just being ambiguous?
---1st_cliff on 8/11/10

The bible refers to demons as spirits, evil spirits.

Jesus said they roam around on dry ground. Jesus commanded demon spirits to come out of people...I think man invented the word Ghost, but the bible calls them spirits, evil spirits.

"Then an evil spirit overtook Saul."

Then there is the Holy Spirit, who is God's Spirit because God is Holy, thus we call Him, Holy Spirit of God.
---Donna5535 on 8/11/10

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According to the Bible, when you die your spirit and soul ONLY go to one of two places, Heaven (if you are saved) or Hell (if you are not). Any other teaching is NOT of God, but of the devil. So to answer your question, NO people do NOT become ghosts when they die. Ghosts are demons, NOT humans.
---Leslie on 8/11/10

I suppose one could say only temporarily, if at all.

Remember, the Resurrection of Christ proves that death is not fatal.

As far as the dead haunting the living, it doesn't happen.
---Cluny on 8/11/10

The Bible says when a person dies their spirit goes back to God who gave it.
---Eloy on 8/11/10

In my childhood story books, GHOSTS were the "spirits" of dead people. Some were "good", and some were "bad". Today, I know that GHOSTS are not real.

Yet, many people still believe in GHOSTS. The medical profession seems to think that people who believe that way are "mentally ill" and in need of medication, therapy, etc.

However, from a Christian view, GHOSTS are another one of Satan's tactics to draw people's attention away from God.

When people die, if they "know" Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, they will go to HEAVEN. And if they don't, they will go to HELL.

There isn't an "in between" HEAVEN and HELL called GHOST LAND or anything.
---Augie on 8/11/10

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