### Vote For Economic Despair

Who is ready to vote for more economic despair, higher taxes, more abortions, Islam and greater employment? Get ready to vote for the Democrats tomorrow so we can continue this great process.

---John on 11/1/10

 Guys: I am not advocating government enforcement of religious practice at all - quite the contrary. I think that government enforcement of the state religion "atheism" is a big part of our decline, but the main problem is with the moral decline of the people themselves. They have, in large part, looked to government as their god, and not to the Creator.I would have our (US) government simply abide by its founding charter and do two things:(1) Establish no state religion.(2) Stop prohibiting the free exercise of religion in the US. ---jerry6593 on 11/12/10

 jerry6593:You said:Cluny: "The rest have lost legal force long time ago."And just look where this has taken us.Blind obedience to the Ten Commandments is no guarantee of God's favor. Israel 2000 years ago revered the Ten Commandments (and the rest of the Law), and just look where that had taken HER. ---StrongAxe on 11/11/10

 \\Cluny: "The rest have lost legal force long time ago."And just look where this has taken us.---jerry6593 on 11/11/10\\How would you enforce "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy", jerry?Or "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." Would you use it to deny citizenship to Buddhists?Would you enforce Biblical precepts against witchcraft or non-Christian religions? ---Cluny on 11/11/10

 Cluny: "The rest have lost legal force long time ago."And just look where this has taken us. ---jerry6593 on 11/11/10

 \\These people also disdain the Bible in general, and Christians in particular. They uphold sexual perversion and baby murder which the Bible proscribes. They willfully violate the Tenth Commandment in their (tax the rich) class envy. Etc, etc.---jerry6593 on 11/9/10\\Is there any purpose served in pointing out that only THREE of the Ten Commandments have any legal force in the USA: those against murder, theft, and perjury?The rest have lost legal force long time ago. ---Cluny on 11/10/10

 jerry6593:As I said in my last post, I was doing as you suggested, and going by the dictionary definition. ---StrongAxe on 11/10/10

 Axey: "So which is it?" Now come on, I know you're smarter than that. Here's a simple test for you. If you give "liberally" (i.e., plentifully, generously, sacrificially, etc.) of your own hard-earned means to those less fortunate than yourself, then you fit the biblical definition of liberality and are probably a political conservative. If, on the other hand, you advocate the forced usurpation of other people's hard-earned means for the benefit of your political allies and your voter base, then you are not "liberal" by the biblical definition, but are a political "liberal". So, "which is it" with YOU? ---jerry6593 on 11/10/10

 Politically liberal= unholy and without virtue.Polictically conservative = unholy and without virtue. This argument is rediculous and akin to comparing the dung odor of different animals. The winning G-O-P has already blinked on earmarks and raising the debt. It took less than a week for the outsiders to become Washington insiders and protectors of the status quo. Nothing has changed in terms of integrity and responsibility with the change of congressional majorities. Its a great opportunity to show the lost that neither party or ideology is the answer to man's problems. ---larry on 11/9/10

 Jerry--- liberally concerning what? morals? money? religion?conservatively regarding what? morals, money? religion?If you say "politically liberal" or "politically conservative" people (in the US, anyway, know what you mean)Otherwise, some people might assume that a religious conservative cannot be a liberal politically (or vice versa). We've discussed this before. ---Donna66 on 11/9/10

 Donna66:A liberal person is a person who acts in a liberal manner.jerry6593:You said: I use the dictionary definitions. I might suggest that you do the same.So we ARE using biblical definitions (at your suggestion, no les), but now you are turning around and saying that the word doesn't mean what the dictionary says it means at all. So which is it? ---StrongAxe on 11/9/10

 The dictionary definition of "liberal" has so many meanings! Most often it is an adjective or adverb. ex: "spread peanut butter liberally" or "speech liberally punctuated by profanities.", " a believer in liberal theology".Even the Bible doesn't use the word as a noun...."a liberal"...that use is for politicians and theologists ---Donna66 on 11/9/10

 Cluny: At least YOU know the difference between a person of biblical liberality and one who is a political "liberal". A political liberal is anything but liberal in a biblical sense. They are hypocrites. They are ONLY generous with other people's money. Charitible giving practices by political conservatives in the US far outshine those of the left-wing crowd.These people also disdain the Bible in general, and Christians in particular. They uphold sexual perversion and baby murder which the Bible proscribes. They willfully violate the Tenth Commandment in their (tax the rich) class envy. Etc, etc. ---jerry6593 on 11/9/10

 Not really. I use the dictionary definitions. I might suggest that you do the same.---jerry6593 on 11/8/10Excessive taxation of the makers for the benefit of the takers is theft!---jerry6593 on 11/6/10Maybe you should get out that dictionary and look up the word theft.. ---NurseRobert on 11/8/10

 jerry6593:Not only does the dictionary speak positively of "liberal", but the Bible does as well: See Deuteronomy 15:14, Proverbs 11:25, Isaiah 32:5-8, 1 Corinthians 16:3, 2 Corinthians 8:2, 2 Corinthians 9:13, James 1:5. ---StrongAxe on 11/8/10

 \\Not really. I use the dictionary definitions. I might suggest that you do the same.---jerry6593 on 11/8/10\\Did your dictionary tell you that one of the definitions of "liberal" is GENEROUS?In any case, liberal/conservative are political stands, not moral ones. ---Cluny on 11/8/10

 Cluny: "jerry, you seem to be setting yourself up as the one to judge what is liberal and what is conservative (which are POLITICAL, not moral issues)."Not really. I use the dictionary definitions. I might suggest that you do the same. ---jerry6593 on 11/8/10

 jerry6593:The idea of "moral relativism" is that morality depends on context - that is, that certain actions are sometimes acceptable, and sometimes not acceptable. This underpins all Biblical law. Some examples:If I go into your garage and take a car, it's theft - unless it's mine that you borrowed.If I sleep with a woman I married, it's fine, but if I sleep with a woman you married, it's adultery.If I take a gun and shoot someone, its murder - but not if they are a condemned criminal and I am on a firing squad.In these examples, the actions are the same, but what makes them acceptable or not is the context in which they were performed. ---StrongAxe on 11/8/10

 \\Cluny ... You should not say what is the criteria. It should be are.---Pedant on 11/7/10\\Wrong again, Pedant.When the a subject in both singular and plural number is joined by "or" or "nor", the verb agrees with the number nearer to it.**Now I understand why you have difficulty with such concepts as right and wrong, good and evil, etc. You live in the gray morass of moral relativism.---jerry6593 on 11/7/10**jerry, you seem to be setting yourself up as the one to judge what is liberal and what is conservative (which are POLITICAL, not moral issues).Do I understand you right? ---Cluny on 11/7/10

 Cluny ... You should not say what is the criteria. It should be are. ---Pedant on 11/7/10

 Cluny: "What is the criterion (or criteria) for deciding who is "really conservative" and who is "really liberal"?"Now I understand why you have difficulty with such concepts as right and wrong, good and evil, etc. You live in the gray morass of moral relativism. ---jerry6593 on 11/7/10

 \\Only the ones who will be re-elected are really conservative.---jerry6593 on 11/6/10\\What is the criterion (or criteria) for deciding who is "really conservative" and who is "really liberal"?Who came up with these standards?And how were these people authorized to determine them? ---Cluny on 11/6/10

 "it will be interesting to see how many of the new class of so called republicans/tea party people are really conservative."Only the ones who will be re-elected are really conservative. ---jerry6593 on 11/6/10

 I thought that making abortion legal was a Supreme Court decision, not a legislative one. (thus NEITHER Democrats nor Republicans could change it.) How often does the Supreme Court reverse itself? very rarely. ---Donna66 on 11/5/10

 I think we're all conservative in some ways and liberal in others.---Cluny on 11/5/10Very true.... ---NurseRobert on 11/5/10

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 \\it will be interesting to see how many of the new class of so called republicans/tea party people are really conservative.---aka on 11/5/1\\I think we're all conservative in some ways and liberal in others. ---Cluny on 11/5/10

 //It will be interesting just how many of the "promises" the republican/tea partyers keep//it will be interesting to see how many of the new class of so called republicans/tea party people are really conservative. ---aka on 11/5/10

 \\Now wasn't that merciful of me?---jerry6593 on 11/4/10\\The sentence as I cast is correct, also. ---Cluny on 11/4/10

 \\Now I feel like I have committed a spiritual act of mercy..---Elder on 11/4/10\\if you helped save babies lives, it would be a corporeal act of mercy. ---Cluny on 11/4/10

 "The fact is, their fruitless suit cost them money in legal fees." ClunySo I was right, Humm..... Now I feel like I have committed a spiritual act of mercy.. ---Elder on 11/4/10

 \\Try ministering on the same side of the street.\\After they served the papers on me (after notifying the newspapers) I did. OUT LOUD! (No more Mr. Nice Guy.)\\You will see what I mean just like I have. Have you gone to jail yet? (Didn't think so.)\\After the chop shops started the RICO suit against those that had rescued, we decided that the best thing I could do for rescue was to NOT rescue--which only frustrated the tophets further, as we knew they were gunning for me.The fact is, their fruitless suit cost them money in legal fees. ---Cluny on 11/4/10

 What a strange cynical comment hidden behind the facade of a question on our role in God's plan for this world. Get out of the flesh and above politics. How can you witness to someone having just condemned them, or is that not the idea? ---larry on 11/4/10

 "Just praying across the street silently from the chop shops got me named as a defendant in a $39 million suit started by the abortuaries, Elder. What has your pro-life activism cost you?"ClunyIf you ever lose your smoke and mirrors you will be outta buisness.Being named in a lawsuit means nothing. What did you pay? Nothing! I was named in a one on one$55,000 law suit. What did it mean? Nothing!What has your pro-life activism really cost you Cluny. Nothing!Try ministering on the same side of the street. You will see what I mean just like I have. Have you gone to jail yet? (Didn't think so.)Your trainer must have a lot of spiritual rewards for wasting their time with acts of mercy. ---Elder on 11/4/10

 Cluny ... I think Elder was thanking Nurse Robert not you! ---alan8566_of_uk on 11/4/10

 "As Nurse Robert pointed out Republicans have been very ineffective about producing any legislation that would reverse it."ClunyAt least niether of you deny it was the "other" side that campained to kill babies.By the way my family has been involved. My daughter has personally rescued/kept 100s of babies from being murdered over a four year period. Your "Prayer" across the street doesn't begin to compare..... Com'on really get in the fight and stop being a sideline observer. Walk up and talk to some of these confused mothers to be. You will be surprised how many don't understand what they are about to do and will change their mind. ---Elder on 11/4/10

 NurseRobert:It is unlikely any constitutional amendment will be passed to overturn Roe vs. Wade, or for that matter, ANY other controversial subject. The country is fairly evenly divided between liberals and conservatives, and even though the pendulum swings from one pole to the other with each election, it doesn't swing very far. Even in cases where presidents get elected by electoral "landslides", the popular vote is typically only around 55/45 percent. To pass a constitutional amendment, two thirds of the states must approve it, AND two thirds of the senate must do so as well. Two thirds of the senate are also required to break a filibuster, and I can't remember the last time any party had that kind of senatorial majority. ---StrongAxe on 11/4/10

 Cluny: "Instructing the ignorant has always been numbered one [sic] of the spiritual acts of mercy."You left out the word "as". Also, the word "ever" would have been a better choice than the word "always". Now wasn't that merciful of me? ---jerry6593 on 11/4/10

 \\Wow!! NR I am glad you are such an english major. I guess any time there is 3 to 2 or 7 to 5 or even 2 to 1 that couldn't be considered "a vote Passed" between who ever. I feel more eduamakated now, thanks.---Elder on 11/3/10\\Any time, Elder, any time.Instructing the ignorant has always been numbered one of the spiritual acts of mercy. ---Cluny on 11/3/10

 Wow!! NR I am glad you are such an english major. I guess any time there is 3 to 2 or 7 to 5 or even 2 to 1 that couldn't be considered "a vote Passed" between who ever. I feel more eduamakated now, thanks. ---Elder on 11/3/10

 \\The above statement by Cluny would have you think that a Republican president had this murderous bill passed.\\Roe v Wade was NOT a bill, nor was it passed.Nixon (for whom I voted in 72) didn't glow in the dark, either. As Nurse Robert pointed out Republicans have been very ineffective about producing any legislation that would reverse it.Just praying across the street silently from the chop shops got me named as a defendant in a $39 million suit started by the abortuaries, Elder. What has your pro-life activism cost you?catherine, I noted that you said Benjamin Franklin was a great president. Are you as ignorant of American history as you are of the Bible? ---Cluny on 11/3/10  Row v/s Wade was passed Jan 22 1973. ---Elder on 11/3/10Roe V. Wade was not "passed". It was not a "bill", it was not a "law." It was a supreme court decision regarding the interpretation of the Constitution. Where have the republicans/conservatives been ever since? What law have they managed to pass - a law that will pass constitutional muster - that abolished abortion? What constitutional amendment has gotten through a republican congress?? the answer is nowhere, none, nada.. If they were serious about passing a constitutional amendment it would happen. Its called lip service and its the best the republicans jackboots can do. ---NurseRobert on 11/3/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Divorce  Looks like the Democrats have been told to leave Washington, stop taxing USA citizens and stop promoting abortions.---John on 11/3/10Nope, they bought the republican lies..It will be interesting just how many of the "promises" the republican/tea partyers keep.. ---NurseRobert on 11/3/10  "BTW--Roe v. Wade happened under a REPUBLICAN administration, not a Democratic one."ClunyRow v/s Wade was passed Jan 22 1973. Richard Nixon was President. But he did not pass Row-v-Wade. It was passed by a liberal socialist type of "Supreme Court."The above statement by Cluny would have you think that a Republican president had this murderous bill passed. The Cluny statement is to mislead, misdirect and make you think something that is not true.We all know that the current Democrat president voted to let born alive babies die on cold stainless steel tables.A half-truth is a total lie. Is this a tactic of the left again?Or did you (Cluny) mean something else?? ---Elder on 11/3/10  Obama underestimated Americans, didn't he Jesus? "Grossly". ---catherine on 11/3/10  Catherine: Benjamin Franklin was never a president of the United States. He was a statesman, printer, and other things, but not president. ---Trish on 11/3/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Marriage  Looks like the Democrats have been told to leave Washington, stop taxing USA citizens and stop promoting abortions. ---John on 11/3/10  Ben Franklin was a very good President?!!! So was "What Me Worry" President Alfred E. Newman. :)There are still a few good men around Catherine. God always sets aside a remnant for a time such as this.Continued blessings in the Lord! ---Leon on 11/3/10  AMEN to THAT! ---catherine on 11/3/10  I said: A Christian can go through the tribulation and REFUSE to take the mark of the beast thus relying solely on the provision of the Lord for food and water. ---Donna5535 on 11/3/10 Tribulation yes, but not God's wrath. God's wrath is for the unrighteous (Rev 14 and Rom 1).After the sixth seal, the Book of the Revelation is all God's wrath...Rev 6:16-17 "and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?We need to understand this is NOT tribulation. ---Mark_Eaton on 11/3/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Consolidation  George Washington was such a good president. President Kennedy would've been a great president, if some nut had not murdered him. Lincoln, was a good president. Where has all the good men gone? Benjamin Franklin, a very good president. Theodore Roosevelt, oh, my goodness such a good man. Calvin Coolidge, too....Hope evryone is having a wonderful day. I am so happy, in the Lord. REALLY! ---catherine on 11/3/10  mi ma, what is it that you're not getting?I understand your point, but you're not understanding mine.I said: A Christian can go through the tribulation and REFUSE to take the mark of the beast thus relying solely on the provision of the Lord for food and water. So what part about this don't you understand? If we go through the tribulation as a Christian, we REFUSE to take the mark of the beast and like Cluny said, what's the big deal if we die or get beheaded, it's all for Jesus, right? Whether we live or die, we belong to Jesus, right? ---Donna5535 on 11/3/10  Leon -- You said it. Voting should be a natural "reflex" for Americans. But it should not be mandatory "Voter apathy" has been & currently is a major problem pertinent to our current socio-economic plight. ....I think it's unconstitutional to make voting mandatorySome countries have made it mandatory (i.e. Australia). But guess what. People are still apathetic, only their votes are easily bought if voting is required ---Donna66 on 11/3/10  Something about the post-trib non-mill rapture (which is what the Bible teaches):1. Is it such a terrible fate to be martyred for Christ's sake during the Tribulation? As long as He tarries, we must die, so why not die for Him?2. Maybe the Tribulation is one way that Jesus separates the sheep from the goats! ---Cluny on 11/2/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Refinancing  Donna, "A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: 'If ANYONE worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of THE SAINTS who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus' " (Rev. 14:9-12). Also read Revelation 3:10 ---mima on 11/2/10  mi ma, there is no scripture that says, "in order to go through the tribulation one HAS to take the mark of the beast to buy or sell, etc., A Christian can go through the tribulation and REFUSE to take the mark of the beast thus relying solely on the provision of the Lord for food and water.This is where our faith will be tested. We as Christians will not, and hopefully do NOT take the mark of the beast. Therefore we must rely soley upon GOD to bring us food and water, just like in the wilderness.True Christians will REFUSE to take the mark of the beast and choose to rely on God for food for each day...that's the test of our faith, "He who endures to the end will be saved." ---Donna5535 on 11/2/10  Donna, I do not understand how this statement you made,"I believe Christians are going to go through the tribulation and it will be a test of their faith." Can possibly be true. For the following reason. In order to go through the tribulation one has to take the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell(in other words to eat) when all those taking the mark of the beast are doomed to hell. Can you give me any help with this question? ---mima on 11/2/10  Pharisee, what you failed to see is that I NEVER said the Rapture is going to happen before the tribultion...that's false.Christians will be here for the tribulation because the bible says, He who endures to the end, etc., So please be careful when you read my responses. I believe Christians are going to go through the tribulation and it will be a test of their faith. I don't know WHEN the Rapture will happen, but I know Matthew Chapter 24 is TRUE. Amen brother? ---Donna5535 on 11/2/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Franchises  Mary: It's great you conscientiously voted for people you believe to be right for the job. I also agree with Donna's comments. We must study the candidates record & not rely on the attack ads (condamnations) to sway our vote one way or another."Voter apathy" has been & currently is a major problem pertinent to our current socio-economic plight. It's not logical for people not to vote & then expect things to turn out good.I think it's unconstitutional to make voting mandatory, but I pray "we [ALL OF] the people" would take a more active, responsible role in the process. Regular voting should be a conditioned reflex for ALL Americans.GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! ---Leon on 11/2/10  \\Yes, God works through people Sag. Thank you Cluny for proving my point.---John on 11/1/10\\What point did you mean, other than the one that makes it hard for you to find hats that fit? ---Cluny on 11/2/10  John, We live in a democracy, and a democrat is not mislabelled as you have erroneously misjudged. I am glad that the Americans have elected the best candidate, a man whom has proven to do what is best for the country, and not for selfishness. ---Eloy on 11/1/10  Mary-- Ideally everyone should do as you do, BUT as a practical matter it's not very workable. The most revealing thing about a candidate is their political party or their voting record, if they have one.Study the party platforms or their philosophy about governing. Political ad are full of outrageous lies about political opponents. Those who write them do extensive research into their opponents lives, looking to dig up some dirt.Don't pay attention to personal attacks from either side! ---Donna66 on 11/2/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Lead Generation  I'm voting for the Republicans this morning.Yet, I am a bit worried how they are going to: (1) Repeal, and, (2) Replace the National Healhcare plan. Better known as Obamacare.My kids are still young and in need of healthcare. I'm sure that many other parents can relate to my concerns here. It costs A LOT to raise kids these days. And healtcare costs are "Through The Roof".I'm "trusing" that the Republicans will WIN -- a lot of State Governor positions, Congressional seats, local Government, etc. and "rescue" the USA from all of it's problems. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. ---Augie on 11/2/10  Personally, I didn't vote particularly democrat or republican--I simply voted for the best man or woman for the job, in my opinion. I had a mixed bag lol :D ---Mary on 11/1/10  Yes, God works through people Sag. Thank you Cluny for proving my point. ---John on 11/1/10  \\More economic despair, higher taxes, more abortions, 9/11 Islam monuments and greater unemployment? Who on ChristiaNet is going to vote for that and why?---John on 11/1/10\\In other words, John, you cannot demonstrate how voting Democratic helps the spread of Islam. ---Cluny on 11/1/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Mortgages  John,I might, just might, vote Democratic tomorrow. And, I have a solution that won't involve any problems.Actually, I heard this on the radio. Just begin TAXING churches. That way, we open up a whole, new revenue stream for the government. Then churches can preach all they want about who to vote for. Democrats or Republicans.All things considered, I don't believe that it really matters. BECAUSE . . . GOD clearly states in his word that HE is in Control!Yes, there are problems like: abortion, Islam, unemployment, etc. That only show that PEOPLE are unable to solve the world's problems. Only GOD can make the world PERFECT! Got that, John? ---Sag on 11/1/10  More economic despair, higher taxes, more abortions, 9/11 Islam monuments and greater unemployment? Who on ChristiaNet is going to vote for that and why? ---John on 11/1/10  Donna...You better be ready to NOT have one is all I'm saying. I gave up on trying to say there was or wasn't and I believe that's the healthiest thing you can do...believe it or not believe it it's still coming/not coming.You believe what you want, I'm gonna live like it ain't gonna happen which of us will be ready for the worst? ---Pharisee on 11/1/10  I could go mad, in a nice way, trying to figure out how voting for the Democrats means one is voting for Islam.Can you explain the intrinsic link?And how is Islam a process.BTW--Roe v. Wade happened under a REPUBLICAN administration, not a Democratic one. ---Cluny on 11/1/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Personal Loans  John: What does your question have to do with the Lord, and knowing Him more? God is is in control, and He ordains who rules over the land. At least, that is what I believe scripture has to say about it. As for voting for Islam, the Democrats have nothing to do with that. Try reading your Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights. ---Trish on 11/1/10  Pharisee, so if there's no Rapture, what does this mean in Matthew Chapter 24?...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.So when the trumpet sounds Pharisee, and the angels gather together his elect, what happens after the elect are gathered by the angels? Are they sent somewhere? Do they get dumped off somewhere? Or are they Raptured OUT OF HERE? ---Donna5535 on 11/1/10  John: What are you worried about? Jesus told us in Matthew to not worry about tomorrow, that it will take care of itself. Scripture also teaches me that God is in control, and that HE ordains who will be the world leaders. If He is in charge, why do you fret?By the way, I do not know of any election, where Islam is on the ballot. Try reading the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Muslims have as much a right to live here as you do. ---Trish on 11/1/10  I've read reports about the seeds of the current economic meltdown beginning with:President Ronald Wilson Reagan in 1981. Before my time.He started with De-Regulation. Then came the theory of "Trickle Down Economics". To pay for it all, came Deficit Spending, but deficits don't matter to Republicans. And then, "Temporary Tax Cuts" follow by the LARGEST tax increases for most Americans. Reaganomics worked well. In the short-term.The cycles of back-and-forth continued with successive Democratic, and Republican, administrations. They're ALL to blame.Whoever wins tomorrow, another "cycle" will continue. Reaganomics has been a Long-Term economic disaster. ---Sag on 11/1/10  Read These Insightful Articles About Auto Insurance  Knock, Knock Mike if you have not noticed the President is Obama not Bush and we are living through Obama and the Democrats policies. Are you ready to vote for more economic despair, higher taxes, more abortions, Islam and greater employment? ---John on 11/1/10  the great economic dispair started with Bush & his 'trickle down' economy. when a small % of the people have the money there is LESS circuation of money.did the 'tax cuts for the rich' help the economy? many bought luxury cars costing$80,000 or private jets. that did not help the economy.why did Bush request for $700 BILLION bailout for wall street & banks? the money spent on iraq is$1.8 TRILLION, that could have been use more wisely.the ENRON debacle is a reflection of the economy of this country. greed power corruptionbush is still the worst president PERIOD ---mike on 11/1/10

 Feel better John?hahaa, this whole process is broken and tin foil hat wearing crazies like me (someday you'll get to be one too) believe it's all contrived. It is in fact, publicly these people seem to hate each other (pubs and dems) and privately it's all fun and games, buddy/buddy. Don't take my word for it, just keep lining up to exercise your permissions (used to be rights) and pretend your free.It's all good, we know how it ends but I'd like to be killed long before the end. What's that cha say? Rapture? Sure, I'll hope for one, but I won't count on one, neither should anybody if there indeed won't be one, but we don't know till it does/doesn't come...right? Stay awake. ---Pharisee on 11/1/10