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Satan Author Of Sin

"Satan and his host are the real "authors" of sin, although God created them and decreed even their sin without being Himself the author of it". Dictionary defines decree as ordain by decree. What's difference between ordaining something and being its author?

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Leej, Pharaoh was guilty. For every person's conscience after he has committed a sin tells him that he alone is responsible and that he need not have committed it if he had not voluntarily chosen to do so.
While man is constantly commanded not to commit sin, he is, nevertheless, permitted to commit it if he chooses to do so. No compulsion is laid on him, he is simply left to the free exercise of his own nature, he alone is responsible. But while God permits sin, His connection with it is purely negative and it is the abominable thing which He hates with perfect hatred. The motive which God has in permitting it and the motive which man has is committing it are radically different. God wills righteously those thing which men do wickedly.
---Mark_V. on 12/25/10

//Even the sinful acts of men are included in this plan, they are foreseen, permitted, and have their exact place.

While that may be true, it is also true that man is to be held responsible for his sin.

It is possible to even Pharaoh knew what he was doing but his guide was his advisers, not what he considered right or wrong.

In a sense, it is what we view as peer pressure. We tend to want to please those around us rather do the right thing.
---leej on 12/24/10

In the first place there was no necessity that God should create at all. He acted with perfect freedom when He brought this world into existence. When He did choose to create there was before Him an infinite number of possible plans. But we know from Scripture He choose this particular one in which we have now. And since He knew perfectly every event of every kind which would be involve in this particular plan, He very obviously predetermined every event which would happen when He chose this plan. Even the sinful acts of men are included in this plan, they are foreseen, permitted, and have their exact place. They are controlled, and overruled for the divine glory. God is the Architect of this plan, and His design of this plan is perfect to Him.
---Mark_V. on 12/24/10

The flesh is conceived in sin. Everybody bears the sinful life first and then the sinless. However for the spirit of satan to force the spirit of God to sin by sorceries, drugs of error or anything that is forbidden in Leviticux is worse than blaspheming the spirt
---Tonne on 12/23/10

alan and Darlene, A-men. At the beginning God created all things good, and gave the good gift of free will or freedom of choice to choose to do good. But some of creation freely chose to misuse this gift and sinuously chose to do evil rather than good. And therefrom God created a punishment or an evil to address those whom chose to do evil against him. God is proven to be long-suffereing, but he does not foolishly put his pearls in front of swine, nor walk in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stand in the way of sinners, nor sit in the seat of the scornful. When each reap whatsoever we sow, when we sow good we will read the increase of good, but if we sow evil then evil will be reaped back upon us as the whirlwind into our lives.
---Eloy on 12/17/10

Alan and Eloy perhaps this verse will show why some think God created/decreed some people to be evil. Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made all things for himself,yes even the wicked for the day of evil. He created the people who would become evil but this still doesn't say to me he decrees some to be evil and some to be good that is our choice. I agree that Satan wasn't created evil but like some humans became evil when led away by his own lust,his being a desire to exalt himself above God. Verse 3 gives us a way to direct our thoughts, Commit your works unto the Lord and your thoughts shall be established.
---Darlene_1 on 12/17/10

Eloy ... I don't disagree with what you say. It is others bloggers who say that "God created them (Satan and his hosts) and decreed even their sin"
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/17/10

alan, God did not create the "Heylel", misnamed "lucifer" to be evil, but good. Just as God did not create man to be evil, but good. But the good angel freely chose to rebel and become evil, just as the good man chose to rebel and become evil, and thereby for their disobedient choice to sin they must pay the consequences and become evil and accursed and thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone. You see, the tree God planted in the middle of the garden is not evil, but the eating of the tree when God commanded not to do so is the evil.
---Eloy on 12/16/10

To make matter worst, the Westminster Confessions has this in Chapter 6, paragraph 1.

"Our first parents being seduced by the subtility and temptation of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin God was pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to his own glory."

I previous knew that Mormonism claims God ordained the Fall so that those spirit beings begotten by the physically union of Jehovah with His wife needed physically bodies to possess and were waiting in the wing for the event to occur.
---leej on 12/16/10

Sin originated with a self seeking Cherub who desired to be, and considered himself to be more than the Father 'ordained' (appointed, determined or established) him to be, as a result he eventually abandoned his given place. The Father was not the 'author' (cause) of his pride or rebellion, that mindset and desire originated within himself, based on his sensual perceptions of himself.
---Josef on 12/16/10

Eloy ... Yes.

But see the quetion ... where I quote the words of another blogger, who said that God created Satan and his hosts and decreed even their sin
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/16/10

Isaiah 45:7
" I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]."
---mima on 12/16/10

I would say Author is a poor term to use and ring leader is much more appropriate as people are cohered into sinning by him and his gang of fallen angles.
---Blogger9211 on 12/16/10

To "ordain", means "to set in order, to put in position or in office", but "author", means "the originator, maker of, or one that writes a writing." Jesus in heaven created the angel Heylel, and ordained him to be his covering cherub, but the angel chose to rebel and he authored sin, so Jesus cast the angel with his legion out of heaven.
---Eloy on 12/15/10

"Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips."
Job 2:9,10

Did Job even credit Satan with evil though he was attacked by him? Job knew where evil came from, don't you? Remember Genesis 2:17, only God Almighty has the knowledge of good and evil. Everything (with no exception) belongs to Him and they are all created for a Holy purpose.
---christan on 12/15/10

I form the light, and created darkness, I make peace, and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 KJV

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

So is God the author of sin, if so, then how then can He say we must give account for our own actions?

Does not the answer lie within the realms of His permissive will which He will use for His glory?
---leej on 12/15/10

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Cluny ... Webster's give a slightly fuller definition: ... sorry it is a bit circular!

1: to command or enjoin by or as if by decree

2: to determine or order judicially

Do these bear a similarity to being the author, or creator?
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/15/10

In the scheme of things it doesn't really matter.
You can walk in the fullness of grace and obedience without knowing how to bifurcate the two.
For the lost and those trying to reach them with the gospel of the living God the question is irrelevant.
---larry on 12/15/10

Darlene ... I suppose my question should have been in the context of God and sin:

"What's difference between decreeing something and being its author?"
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/15/10

Darlene I suppose my question should really have read:

"What's difference between decreeing something and being its author?"

Thanks for your email. Best wishes and am praying for yuo still
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/15/10

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An author is the one who creates or originates something whether it be a creative work or law. To ordain is to invest offically by laying on of hands with priesly authority. Ordain is also to establish or order by appointment a decree or law. We see then an Author creates something and to ordain is to carry out the establishment of something in formal manner which is created.
---Darlene_1 on 12/15/10

\\Dictionary defines decree as ordain by decree.\\

Dictionaries generally don't give circular definitions like you have. Would you like to rephrase this?
---Cluny on 12/15/10

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