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Explain Isaiah 14:12-13

Isaiah 14:12-13 to what/whom does these verses refer to? Do you believe it's talking about the planet Venus? This was an interpretation given by a "theologian" on the history channel...anybody want to shred this nonsense publicly? I kind of feel it's our duty.

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This scripture is talking about Lucifer who is now Satan - a fallen angel. He wanted his throne to be above God's - in other words he wanted to be higher than God, and even be God, so he got kicked out of Heaven by God.
---Leslie on 12/20/10

(Isaiah 12)
8 The fir TREES rejoice at thee, and the CEDARS of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller(LUMBERJACK) is come up against us.
12 How art thou fallen from HEAVEN, O Lucifer... how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
(Daniel 4)
11 I saw, and behold a tree... and the height thereof was great.
12 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto HEAVEN, the sight thereof to the end of all the earth.

Isaiah/Daniel NEVER mention satan when writing of Nebuchadnezzar. He's referenced AS a Tree falling from heaven. In both contexts, heaven means "the visible sky" not the invisible throne of God. Religious tradition needs public shredding.
---Legends on 12/20/10

The future king of Babylon pretty much ruled over the known world in his day. Like Hitler, Alexander the Great, Nero and others... Nebuchadnezzar was going to be in authority over "nations". His fall(topple, tumble, "t-i-m-b-e-r") had an adverse effect on those nations his TREE grew to rule over. Pride goes before a fall. Isaiah prophecied of a great boast and fall. Daniel 4 is the fulfillment.

Dan20The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth,
22It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.
---Legends on 12/20/10

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.

Yes I think it is our duty to reprove lies, so does the verse you quoted :)
"Mark them" that is to observe, notice, and in some contexts to take aim at... need I go on?
Here's my point, someone out there in the world who saw that program may stumble across this blog see this and start to question everything they believe about the Bible. My hope is that someone would look at it with new eyes maybe for the first time ever. Now you tell me what the harm is in exposing this false doctrine that was broadcast to millions of people?
---Pharisee on 12/19/10

Micha the Revelation 22 quote couldn't be quoted out of context in a worse way...didn't you notice everything that comes before that in the Book of Revelation???

Using that verse to adopt a meely mouth live and let lead astray ideology is irresponsible at best, not to mention unsupported by everything in the Bible for this the age in which this is given it's perfectly acceptable, the filthy will be filthy eternally as will the righteous. If your attempt at rebuking me was in the right Spirit I'd and you were right I'd accept you teaching.

#1 your wrong, and number two there's no love in your motives. I know we've clashed on another blog but let's live in today and have peace OK?
---Pharisee on 12/19/10

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.
1Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].
1Tim 6:5b from such withdraw thyself.
2Tim 4:3a For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Our duty?
---micha9344 on 12/19/10

You're right, it IS our duty to refute those foolish doctrines. Those Verses are clearly talking about a PERSON, not an inanimate object, like a planet. The planet Venus shines brightly in the morning sky, which is why it is nick-named the "star of the morning". Heli'el (Lucifer, Satan) was once a bright "star" (angels are referred to as "stars" in the Scriptures (for example: REVELATION 12:4a).
---Gordon on 12/17/10

To clarify, this passage does indeed contextually refer to the King of Babylon, but in a much grander more prophetic and roundabout sense it also rebukes his father who's the inspiration of his attitude and works...So both answers are correct Satan/Nebuchadnezzar.
---Pharisee on 12/17/10

So, Legends, you're saying this scripture is a taunt telling Nebuchadnezzar that he is out of his tree?

But it calls "Lucifer" "you who weakened the nations!" Part of Satan's strategy is to keep the nations weak so he can control people. This includes keeping people's *attention* away from God, so we don't submit to our Heavenly Father in His peace. In His peace, we are in His power almighty against Satan and his dominating and dictatorial feelings and drives. Be ruled in God's peace, instead (Colossians 3:15).
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/17/10

I looked up these veses on Bible Gateway, Amplified translation, and they explained the word Lucifer here refers to the King of Babylon, not to Satan.
---Geraldine on 12/17/10

Yes it does refer to it, in a Pagan since. in mythology & paganisim some believe Lucifer was from our current day named planter Venus. They also believe the "day star" were shootnig stars seen in our atmosphere back innthe days of the astrologers in isaiah.
---candice on 12/17/10

I heard that last night, if we're talking about the same program about the Statue of Liberty.

It's nothing I'm going to lose any sleep over.
---Cluny on 12/17/10

Humility in all things is our duty in learning.
Isaiah 14 is a prophetic taunt directed toward the future King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, see Is12:4. This prophecy is clearly fulfilled and played out in full if you read Daniel chapter 4.
Whether your version reads Lucifer, daystar, bright one, heylel, morningstar or etc(Venus???), first know that it's a TAUNT(a mocking parable).
The taunt comes because of what the king says about his TREE growing higher than the clouds and even above the STARS, Is12:13-14.
In RESPONSE to the high-minded boast, the taunt calls the king "Daystar"(morningstar, bright one). LATIN translation of the word in KJV for some reason is Lucifer. The actual astronomical daystar was/is still Venus.
---Legends on 12/17/10

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