bless you, James L. The Father is a good teacher.
---aka on 1/14/11|
that was an awesome job connecting the fire with suffering. That saying had troubled me before, and I had just refused to let it disrupt my faith.
I wasn't able to make that connection before, but brother, I learned form you today. Thanks.
---James_L on 1/13/11|
//Baptism ...to sink, cleans, submerge. Baptism is the outward showing of a new birth. Baptism is symbolic of your new conversion to leave the old and start new.//
Water baptism is symbolic and is of a Jewish tradition. in baptism in Spirit and fire is no symbolism.
---aka on 1/12/11|
Scott, I am totally agreeing with you.
---shira3877 on 1/12/11|
Scott, My husband was saved. He changed 360 degrees from where he was. When God says we are a new creature, that is what He meant. My husband got sick and wasn't able to be baptised but he is in heaven now.
---shira3877 on 1/12/11|
Baptism is a Greek word meaning to sink, cleans, submerge. Baptism is the outward showing of a new birth. Baptism is symbolic of your new conversion to leave the old and start new. is it necessary no, thief on the cross was not have a baptism, God/Jesus did command it so accept jesus a savior then be baptized. baptism before conversion is meaningless.
---Scott on 1/12/11|
It's not always clear what "saved" means...Jesus told James and John they would be baptized (immersed) in suffering (Mark 10:36-40).---James_L on 1/5/11
Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water, but one mightier than I comes, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire:
without the fruit of the Spirit, we could not endure the fire.
---aka on 1/12/11|
I believe that baptism is one of the subjects that puzzles many. In Acts 2:37 Peter first gives the gospel in prior passages, and after they believed the gospel Peter told them to repent and be baptize in the name of Jesus Christ. For the new believer, it was a crucial but costly identification to accept. Prior to this baptism, many Jews had experienced the baptism of John the Baptist, (Matt. 3:1) and were also familiar with the baptism of Gentile converts to Judaism (Proselytes). John's baptism was to prepare the believers for the real baptism of Christ. Which would indwell the believers. In Acts 19 Paul ask some disciples if they had received the Holy Spirit, and unto what baptism where they baptized.
---Mark_V. on 1/12/11|
I was duped by this thinking for a long time. My mother had been influenced by numerous conflicting perspectives - Catholic, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Missionary Baptist, Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventist, Church of God of Prophecy, Church of God of Holiness, Assembly of God, and a few independent thinkers along the way.
Can you imagine the mish-mash I was enslaved to? I finally heard a real gospel presentation when I was 27, and rejected it flatly. It took God 8 months to break me down to nothing to realize I couldn't contribute to the "deal".
What an amazing freedom to know that Jesus paid the whole price.
---James_L on 1/12/11|
James L, I never heard anyone put it the way you did but you are so right. The adding is so terrible. Pretty soon they carry a load. A real yoke. They go to much to right or too much to the left. I can see that from many answers here. Thank you brother.
---Mark_V. on 1/11/11|
have to say that I admire you for saying it's a head scratcher. Everyone has some of those, but most are too proud to admit it.
---James_L on 1/5/11
Just imagine the progress the Church could make if men were able to leave their pride at the door.
---David on 1/8/11|
I,ve wallowed with this one for awhile. In Mark 16:16, Jesus puts the emphasis on believing. 1 Corinthians 1:17, Paul says "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but preach the gospel..."
Don,t get me wrong, I might get re-water Baptized since I was real young when I first did it.
It is not water that saves, but the blood of Christ.
---ROBA. on 1/7/11|
David, part 1
One mistake people make is what I call "superficial compilation" theology.
They think "saved" means only "go to heaven", then carry a superficial meaning through the NT and add together all the requirements shown and pile up a contradiction.
They'll add "confess Jesus" from Rom 10:9
and "call on the name of the Lord" from Rom 10:13
and "endure" from Matt 10:22
and "works" from James 2:14
Let's keep adding on, though. A woman is damned if she has no children (1Tim 2:15)
Don't evangelize the Jews, for they will all be saved anyway (Rom 11:26)
See how ludicrous it gets? It's not always clear what "saved" means
---James_L on 1/5/11|
David, part 2
Another instance of superficial reading is the word "baptized"
Most think it only means water or spirit baptism. But Jesus told James and John they would be baptized (immersed) in suffering (Mark 10:36-40).
Mark 7:4 says that pots and jugs get baptized. Will pots and jugs be saved? No, this baptism simply means "washed", as it is translated.
I have to say that I admire you for saying it's a head scratcher. Everyone has some of those, but most are too proud to admit it.
---James_L on 1/5/11|
I can find nothing wrong in what you say, and you make some very good points that I will look into.
Water Baptism, if it is necessary, has always been a head scratcher for me because of my own experience.
It's difficult to argue with one's experience.
I was baptized in water at 13, and my life was the same as it was before the Baptism.
I went before the Lord again when I was 24, and it was at this time that my relationship with God began.
Was my receiving of the Holy Spirit delayed, because I didn't repent until I was 24?
The Lord has never given me the answer to this question, so my friends, on this, we are at a Stalemate.
---David on 1/3/11|
Why did John the Baptist baptize? (John 1:31)
Why was Jesus baptized? (Matt. 3:15)
What happened to Israel when they were baptized? (Acts 2:38)
Were Israels 12 apostles sent to water baptize? (Matt. 28:19)
Was the Apostle to the Gentiles, Paul, sent to water baptize? (1Cor. 1:17)
How many baptisms are there today in the age of grace? Eph.4:5
Christ died for us, was raised for us, was circumcised for us, was he also water baptized for us? Col. 2:10-12
How according to the Bible are we placed into the Body of Christ today? 1Cor. 12:13 & Rom. 6:1-4
Is there ANY mention of WATER in the above passages?
Why would anyone want to make Spirit baptism into water baptism?
---michael_e on 1/3/11|
Scripture teaches that baptism in a testimony of accepting Christ as Savior, and as Christ was raised from the dead to eternal life in heaven, so we have that same assurance. It also shows that we have been raised to a new life in Christ.
---wivv on 1/3/11|
\\ (Acts 2:38) clearly says "Repent and be Baptized" \\
---David on 1/2/11
David, if you might notice, Acts 2:5 tells us that those men were "devout Jews". The Greek word translated "devout" (eulabes - Strong's # 2126) was used only 4 times in the NT (Lk 2:25, Acts 2:5, 8:2, 22:12). It means "inwardly pious" and was always used to describe a believer.
In other words, these men to whom Peter preached were already "saved" before Jesus died 50 days earlier. Their sin was that they were there at the time Jesus died and didn't recognize the Messiah they were trusting in. They needed to repent and be baptized to be INDWELT by the Holy Spirit
---James_L on 1/2/11|
Sorry David, but you're wrong, I was born again knew Jesus and he knew me without getting wet. A year later I was baptized. I wasn't saved in a church or by anybody's ministry effort directly, but by the Power of God through the Holy Spirit. You can quote all the Bible verses you want to make your point but I was filled with the Spirit of God and made new all at once, I know what happened to me, I even remember what time it was. The conclusions you've drawn are incorrect.
---Pharisee on 1/2/11|
(Acts 2:38) clearly says "Repent and be Baptized"
When the believer does this, the seed of God is planted in them,(receiving the Gift of the Holy Spirit).
You are not Born of God, but the seed of God has been planted.
For someone to say you can be born of God without baptism, is like someone saying you can grow watermelon without planting seed.
---David on 1/2/11|
Mark 16 v 16, it says what it means & means what it says. Mark 16 v 16 & Acts 2 v's 37 - 42 Is Right which Fulfills Matt. 28 v's 19 - 20.
If you believe that you don't need to be baptized, then your lost - doomed - dammed. The Man - made relig - org's churches beginning with the trin rcc Are Trying to get people in heaven with out it, guess what, It Won't happen. In other words, they Are trying to do this here, John 10 v 1.
---Lawrence on 1/1/11|
Example small puzzle.
If you get on this airplane and sit down you will go to California.
If you get on this airplane you will go to California.
So we see baptism is something added on to salvation. It does not cause or complete salvation.
---mima on 1/1/11|
Baptism is an outward profession of an inward change. It's the testimony of a believer that they follow Christ.
I don't see the point in making more of it then what it is. The fact is the power of God is in his Spirit, it's his Spirit that changed the believer and saved his soul.
---Pharisee on 12/31/10|