What Is Vain Philosophy
Just because Paul does not use the same metaphors as Jesus does not mean that Jesus' metaphors are incorrect.
---Johnny74 on 10/4/18|
Paul never calls the new creature, the church, which is the Body of Christ, sheep, nor does he refer to Christ as our Shepherd.
There isn't a lost person in the BoC. The only way to be lost today is not knowing the gospel that saves. If you are not saved, you are not a member of the BoC.
2 Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost
If you're saved you're not lost. If you are a member of the BoC, you are not a sheep. The lost sheep were specific people in the Bible: Israel. Israels shepherd was their Messiah.
We in the church are called soldiers, ambassadors, athletes, warriors, and builders. All of these are sent out to build, win, fight, and represent according to Gods already provided instructions.
---michael_e on 1/10/18|
Cornelius became a sign to Israel that the Spirit was receiving repentant Gentiles into Peters remnant group
---michael_e on 1/9/18
Your context is out of context.
Cornelius, was devout. Why? He knew Israels scripture and history. He recognized the Messiah because he was a Lost Sheep of the Northern house. And yes of the "ethnos/nation of Israel, citizen of Rome, or your erroneous gentile. Based on your mis-understanding.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Was he sent to the sheep? Did Cornelius accept? Yes. As did the Apostles, the woman at the well x thousands.
---Trav on 1/10/18|
//Roman Cornelius is an Israelite not a Roman Polytheist.//???
A common mistake is to make Cornelius the pattern for the mystery of Christ since he was a Gentile. Yet, Cornelius was neither a result of Pauls ministry nor the mystery message of Christ.
The Lord revealed the mystery of Christ first to Paul (1 Tim 1:16). Paul was saved in Acts 9. The story of Cornelius is in Acts 10, but Peter is the minister not Paul.
Peter goes to him, reluctantly after a vision from the Lord and ministers to him the gospel of the kingdom. Peter didn't teach the mystery of Christ. Cornelius became a sign to Israel that the Spirit was receiving repentant Gentiles into Peters remnant group
---michael_e on 1/9/18|
Roman Cornelius there was a distinction ...
Jews had a special spiritual standing with the Lord. Gentiles did not.
---michael_e on 1/6/18
You study as evident but, Roman Cornelius is an Israelite not a Roman Polytheist. Find the word "allophulos", compounded of "allos" (of the same kind) "phulos" (a kindred tribe... phule Israel). He was devout, knew the O.T. claims of GOD to Israel...All of Israel not just Judah who represents 1/12th. He understood, was aware of the other "Ethnos/Nations divorced House that preacher/teacher false apostles are never aware of being blind and false.
The Samaritan woman at the well was only Samaritan by citizenship or birth. Her father was Jacob. Jhn 4:12.
---Trav on 1/9/18|
Paul uses both the phrases the gospel and our gospel in his epistles, but when Paul mentions my gospel it shows that he had a unique message.
Pauls gospel made no distinction between Jew or Gentile. All are counted in unbelief as sinners, and are judged by God without respect of persons whether given the law or not.
Therefore, Paul says:
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:16
During time past, Jesus earthly ministry, and up to encounter with the Roman Cornelius there was a distinction between Jew and Gentile in Peters ministry preaching. The Jews had a special spiritual standing with the Lord. Gentiles did not.
---michael_e on 1/6/18|
Gospel also goes to the Gentiles as shown from the vision given to Peter in acts. Not Jew or Gentile.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/5/17
Samuel I'll post too those researching with their eyes and ears open.
Peter, Paul or any Apostle "NEVER" used the word "gentile", being a created Latin word. It did not exist pre NT/OT nor was ever used. Ethno's or Nations is more appropriately applied for understanding scripture.
The "sheet" and unclean are in reference to Israels Northern House of Ten, divorced, who would be cleansed by Christs sacrifice and New Covenant explaining, along with every Prophet and Apostle. To those that can see and hear these witnesses.
Even when told and shown you oppose them.
---Trav on 1/5/18|
All scripture is profitable for doctrine, but not all doctrine is for our participation.
Without doctrinal application the believer is confused about what God is telling them to do. Activities such as baptism, prayer, Bible study, holy days, and salvation become confusing. Right division encourages the doctrinal understanding of all of scripture and helps to eliminate the confusion.
It is hard to overemphasize this application since it is mostly absent from most Biblical application. When the doctrinal application ignores the historical or spiritual applications then it becomes a source of vain philosophy and religion.
---michael_e on 12/20/17|
The Gospel also goes to the Gentiles as shown from the vision given to Peter in acts.
In Ephesians 2 we are one in Christ Jesus. Not Jew or Gentile.
Romans 2:28,29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/5/17|
GOD is the only one who can show us the way.
Like the Apostles we are to spread the Gospel.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/17
Your first sentence is a true statement. While you talk a talk and seem a fine person, moral, etc. you show no Apostalic signs of GOD, by your revealing the Gospel / Good News. The Good News was to Lost Israel whose scriptures you rarely reference, even in regards to overwhelming scriptures stating such. Your personal gospel has gone out...but not of GOD or his son, to the sheep of Israel for whom it is intended.
Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
---Trav on 8/31/17|
GOD is the only one who can show us the way.
But he uses people to do it. Like the Apostles we are to spread the Gospel. That is our job and mission.
Praise the Lord.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/17|
But many use their philosophy to shape how they study and read the Bible.--Samuel
A Very wise statement, brother. We need to see things, as they are, through the eyes of God. Men languish in ignorance, simply because they don't walk in the light of God.
The light is real, it's not just some biblical metaphor. There are many religious beliefs, but there are also many who don't teach folks, "How to walk in the light of God".
Can you argue that, which God will show you? To put it simply, confess your sins before God everyday, and let God, not man, show you the way.
---David on 8/4/17|
Thank you Mark that is a great description of our relationship with the Trinity.
I would add that we are filled with the Holy Spirit by being Born again.
Theology is not bad. But there is bad and good theology.
Philosophy is the thoughts of men on life. Theology is the study of GOD.
But many use their philosophy to shape how they study and read the Bible.
GOD is to teach us from the Word of GOD. Our job is to read and follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/3/17|
VAIN philosophy is PRIDEFUL/egotistical reasoning.
Whenever someone says or explains something in a manner that will make themselves look good, that is prideful reasoning (vain philosophy)....THAT is man's way (God terms it "EVIL").
All is vanity, just a chasing after the wind....
(like a dog will chase it's own tail it comes to nothing,....a GAME, a simple game)....an exercise in futility.
---faithforfaith on 8/1/17|
Worship is the act of Loving GOD. Which leads to loving our neighbor.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/31/17
I think your statement describes part of our relationship with our God, the Trinity.
I need to know I am loved, accepted, and I have assurance in my relationship with Jesus, His Father, and the Holy Spirit. I need to know that I was loved and wanted from the foundation of the world, and no matter what I do, good or bad, that love will never change.
For my part, I need to believe, trust, and depend upon God. I involve God in all aspects and activities in my life. God is the source and reason for every good thing in my life and I praise and worship Him for that.
Anything other than this relationship is religion.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/1/17|
I disagree Mark. Religion is the system of understanding. Worship is the act of Loving GOD. Which leads to loving our neighbor. Our religion is about our understanding of who GOD is and what he wants.
Being a Pharisee is about thinking how great you are and how others are worthless.
That is about pride. One of the most deadly of sin. Which people think is okay.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/31/17|
And all "RELIGION " is actually a philosophy....and is vain...appealing to the old sin nature
---kathr4453 on 4/29/17
Religion is about "what I am doing" to be righteous toward God.
I think the most religious people in history were the Pharisees. They devoted their life to a difficult and tedious practice of commandments, festivals, and sacrifices.
And yet, Jesus said to them in John 5: "You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form and You do not have His word abiding in you".
What a slap in the face!
But religion takes your focus off God, and places it on yourself. They did not know God, but they did know how hard they worked.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/27/17|
Well actually Rick, philosophy in regards to Christianity is vain. Vain here meaning a form of vanity. Christianity is the person of Jesus Christ......AND Jesus is not a philosophy. YET there have been men over the coarse of thousands of years who use some form of philosophy as their religion. Even Solomon recognized this as vanity of vanity. Ecclesiastics is a great book to read on the subject.
And all "RELIGION " is actually a philosophy....and is vain...appealing to the old sin nature, (our vanity) Colossians calls "will worship", but does nothing for our NEW MAN IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 4/29/17|
The Bible never mentions "vain philosophy". It does, however, mention philosophy and vain deceit.
---rick on 4/29/17|
It was Vain philosophy or other for the moderators & or who ever Not putting more replies in about fornication & adultery. There's No apology for what I had to say even with scripture.
---Lawrence on 2/1/11|
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Philosophy is an academic study, including the views of Aristotle, Plato, Socrates and other "thinkers" until the present age.
It is interesting, in that you can often identify these same lines of thought in the modern world. BUT it is otherwise useless, VAIN (or in vain). There are no classifieds saying, "WANTED, full or part time philosopher"
The work of these men has done nothing to make men nor the world, better.
Though. often rejected by people, Christianity and the Bible are responsible directly or indirectly for most benefits to humanity. Even today,it is the only hope for a lost and confused world.
---Donna66 on 1/26/11|
vain philosophy is just what it says. Add nothing..take nothing away. It means what some preach is in vain...not good for anything.
---shira3877 on 1/23/11|
//...we don't need the WCF, or calvin or anyone but Christ...as the next verst states, WE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/11
---aka on 1/23/11|
I believe the verses explain themselves perfectly.
7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
In otherwords we don't need the WCF, or calvin or anyone but Christ...as the next verst states, WE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/11|
"But I do read how man can 'leave the faith' by believing lies and falling back into sin with an unrepentant heart."
agree with this scripture, ---mima on 1/21/11
these words are also from jesus which do agree with craiga's post. to be apostate, you once had to believe or give appearance to believe.
---aka on 1/21/11|
How does this post,
"But I do read how man can 'leave the faith' by believing lies and falling back into sin with an unrepentant heart."
---CraigA on 1/18/11
agree with this scripture,
"John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand"???
Is not the writer of the first post a man???
---mima on 1/21/11|
A example of vain philosophy:
Salvation withOUT repentance. The belief that faith and an ungodly life will allow us to live for eternity with God. Its the "Im saved by the blood of Jesus so I can sin all I want to now".
This is coming from one who was raised OSAS. I more I read the Bible the more I am convinced that God loves us all and will never leave us. But I do read how man can 'leave the faith' by believing lies and falling back into sin with an unrepentant heart.
---CraigA on 1/18/11|
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
1Co 15:15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
---aka on 1/19/11|
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"the principal vain philosophy in Christendom is enunciated when most people are ask why they get to go to heaven. About 85 to 90% of the people will answer" because I am a good person". " (mima)
On the other hand, vain philosophy can be seen when certain "Christians" are ask why they get to go to heaven and their answer is "Because I said the Sinner's Prayer one Sunday morning".
---Ignatius on 1/18/11|
Vain philosophies fall under self-delusions. The principal vain philosophy in Christendom is enunciated when most people are ask why they get to go to heaven. About 85 to 90% of the people will answer" because I am a good person". For a person to express that vain philosophy is ridiculous.
---mima on 1/18/11|
Vain Philosophy is basicly Post Modernism, Secular Humanism, and other such junk. They try to reason (using their mind and intellect) that the Bible is false and that truth is relative, and everything/one is God, and there are many ways to God besides Jesus. To them 2+2=4 or 2+2=8 is correct - depending on your truth. They come in to confuse & deceive.
---Leslie on 1/18/11|
"Vain philosophy" would be the New Age stuff and Oriental philosophy and how in America ones believe they have to depend on themselves, like in the "God helps those who help themselves" idea that God does things for us only when it is what we can not do on our own. This sort of "independence" has us depending on ourselves, instead of sharing with God. And independence can wreck a marriage, because we are not sharing. "God won't talk to you," is another one > our Father talks *with* His children!!! (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/18/11|
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Vain philosphy is Christless pursuit of wisdom, and the ideologies of life:
Fatalism- the doctrine that all things are subject to fate or predestination and that man is unable to prevent inevitabilities.
Naturalism- the doctrine that the world can be understood in scientific terms without recourse to spiritual or supernatural explanations.
Positivism- emphasizes positive thinking and affirmations to the total denial of all adversity and negative reality.
Relativism- the doctrine that all criteria of judgment are relative, and nothing is absolute, to man and situations involved.
Spiritism- emphasizes the spiritual as the total essence and constitution of man to the exclusion of the reality of the physical nature of man.
---Eloy on 1/18/11|
Yes, vain philosophies or worthless philosophies are things like vain oblations and washing of hands before eating, throwing salt over your shoulder when cooking, eating vegetables only, choosing celibacy, keeping o.t. ceremonies and sabbaths and holidays, paying tithes, stepping on ants for rain, stepping on cracks on a sidewalk brings misfortune, eating cabbage will make you rich, et cetera. All nonsense, for Christ and Christ alone is the Blesser and the Healer and the Restorer and the Savior and the Bestower of Eternal Life.
---Eloy on 1/18/11|
Philosophy is "a love of wisdom" as in a "rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct". It is vain or useless when it is surrounded by "speculative enquiries into the nature and classes of angels, or into the rituals of the Mosaic law and the regulations of Jewish tradition," the tradition of men, or the principles of "the world," in respect to practical life. Col 2:8 warns us to beware of this, hopefully those of us who desire a relationship with the Father have read and understood that.
---Josef on 1/18/11|
A lot of people who are not Orthodox try using vain philosophy on here.
Of course, "vain philosophy" would mean that there is SOME philosophy that is NOT vain, just like "vain repetitions" means that some repetitions are NOT intrinsically vain.
---Cluny on 1/17/11|
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