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Speak Things Into Existence

Galatians Chapter one warns us about those who preach a different Gospel. Today, I watched Creflo Dollar preach "WHAT IS THE GOSPEL". He said "THE GOSPEL IS GOD GIVING PEOPLE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK THE THINGS THEY WANT INTO EXISTENCE". What are your thoughts?

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Catholicus, A-men. Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost. And all whom come to him, he will in no wise cast out.
---Eloy on 5/18/12

Thanks, Eloy. I like that scripture.
---Catholicus on 5/18/12

Catholicus, Jesus says: "I am The way, The Truth, and The Life: no human comes to The Father, except by me. The person that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me. And the person that sees me sees him that sent me. I and Father are one. The person that has seen me has seen The Father. I am from above, I am not of this world. I say therefore to you, that you all will die in your sins: for if you all believe not that I AM, you all will die in your sins. I am come Light to the world, that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness. I am the door, by me if anyone enter in, that one will be Saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."
---Eloy on 5/18/12

Nancy, what your family are telling you is what is taught by the Religious Science and New Thought folks. It's not a Christian thing.
---Catholicus on 5/17/12

Eloy, not sure what you are trying to tell me. But God bless you anyway.
---Catholicus on 5/17/12

Catholicus, My pleasure. There is only one right way, and it is not any religion, but a person, the man Jesus Christ, pure and perfect and holy. He alone holds the gift of salvation, therefore if anyone desire God and his righteousness that soul must turn to Jesus, come to the foot of his cross and surrender their life up to him and ask Jesus for his forgiveness, and to come into their heart and life and to make them born-again. To wash away all your sins, and to restore you to the right relationship with him. When we call on Jesus in Spirit and in truth, he will make all things new, he will bless you and change you and be with you all the days of your life and forever more. I'm praying for you Catholicus. Yes Jesus. Amen and Amen.
---Eloy on 5/16/12

Thanks Aka and Eloy.
---Catholicus on 5/16/12

"sinuous", adjective.(from Fr:sinueux, a bend, crooked).
Not straightforward, devious, crooked, morally crooked, deviating from right. Sinuous is the opposite of righteous.

Online, In, yourdictionary dot com:
sinuous, adjective.
1. bending, winding, Serpentine
2. not straightforward, devious, crooked.

And in the century dictionary, In, global-language dot com forward-slash CENTURY:
sinuous, from Fr:sinueux, a bend, crooked.
1. sinuate, tortuous, serpentine
2. morally crooked, deviating from right.
---Eloy on 5/15/12

Eloy, what does "sinuous" mean?
---Catholicus on 5/15/12

sinuous - having many curves, bends, or turns, winding: a sinuous path. e.g. There can be many answers to most questions, but none as sinuous as the answers that you get on CNet.
---aka on 5/16/12

Eloy, what does "sinuous" mean?
---Catholicus on 5/15/12

Nah, that false doctrine is not the gospel. The gospel is, Worship and obeying Christ saves the sinuous soul.
---Eloy on 5/15/12

I need bibical clarity on this verse.I have been chastized by a family member who believesthat I bring "it into existence" if I comment " "Kathy is a sick women" or "He probably won't be here next year". Is this a bibical fact or is stating the condition of someone "speaking it into existence?" Realize that I have total faith that God is the great healer. My sister thinks that I will be happier if I ignore the absolute truth or known fact in issues that are unwanted and not pleasant in earthly life. Please comment.
---Nancy on 5/14/12

StrongAxe Yes indeed.
But those who make the call for money, may think that because the money does come in, (from the gullible?)it's because God has commanded it ... a sort of "speaking into existence" by proxy!
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/11/11

I liked legends comment: //Humans create when their hearts are set on accomplishing a task//
How many people want something for nothing! They SPEAK, then sit back and expect God to do everything.
They fail to realize that some of the greatest blessings and joys come, not from the thing itself, but from the thought and effort and sacrifice that go into it.

To hear the Gospel defined as "giving people the authority to speak the things they want into existence" is a travesty. THAT is not the GOSPEL. Believing THAT could lead you straight to Hell if you don't believe on Jesus Christ for redemption from sin!
( You seldom hear about this in WoF churches) And the Savior did not teach self-centeredness and materialism.
---Donna66 on 2/11/11


Commanding fire to fall down from heaven on your enemies is the power Elijah wielded. It is the power of God. Commanding people to douse themselves wih gasoline and light a match (and actually have them do it) is the power of Man. The results are similar, but the methods are very different.

It is the same with money. Commanding it to rain dollars from the sky would be like Elijah's power. So would commanding money to appear, then having people from all over the world who weren't even listening send in lots of money unbidden.

But spending millions of dollars on air time and using half that time begging for money, just to convince millions of people to send in even more money - that is power of the second kind.
---StrongAxe on 2/10/11

Cluny ... I suppose they do speak the money into existence.

They speak, and the money rolls in!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/9/11

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\\Isn't it strange how many super-ministry preachers have enough faith to speak mansions and private jets into existence - yet need to constantly beg for money to pay for them? \\

And yet NONE of them will speak food, shelter, clothing, or medical care for the poor into existence--even though Jesus commanded us to see they had these necessities.

\\Many preachers get really ambitious "visions", overstep their calling, then expect their sheep to pay the bill.\\

That's because the destiny of the sheep is to get fleeced, milked, and ultimately slaughtered and eaten.
---Cluny on 2/1/11

Isn't it strange how many super-ministry preachers have enough faith to speak mansions and private jets into existence - yet need to constantly beg for money to pay for them? This is the gift of persuasion, NOT faith. If it were truly faith, they would believe God would provide, and God would impress on people the need to give - without constant whining/extortion-by-guilt "PLEASE give or my ministry will go bankrupt".

A pastor friend of mine once said we should only attempt things so bold, that unless God is in them, they are bound to fail (i.e. it's easy to see if they are inspired by God, or flesh).

Many preachers get really ambitious "visions", overstep their calling, then expect their sheep to pay the bill.
---StrongAxe on 2/1/11

I do not watch Creflo Dollar.
---Eloy on 1/31/11

Creflo Dollar is currently on a Donor Alert list of Ministry Watch for financial impropriety of his ministry. If he actually had the ability speak things into existence he would not need to be soliciting donations and ripping people off would he. It is kind of a contradiction in his words and actions.
---Blogger9211 on 1/31/11

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Well, if we are praying mainly for what we want for ourselves, we are not caring about others as much as ourselves.

"'So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth,
. It shall not return to Me void,
. But it shall accomplish what I please,
. And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.'"
(Isaiah 55:11)

So, God's word accomplishes whatever God pleases. If we pray what the Holy Spirit has us praying, isn't this God's word that will accomplish what God means by what He has us praying? And what He means is better than we can understand His words of prayer to mean (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/31/11

micha9344,Jesus died on Calvary and freed us from the law. Along comes Paul with a whole new set of laws ,rules and regulations such as you cited!
If you want to follow him, be my guest, I'll stick with Christ's "freedom"
I'm not "religious" like Paul!
---1st_cliff on 1/31/11


It depends on WHY she got divorced in the first place. If she's a saintly woman divorced from the Husband From Hell, you may be right. If her husband is a saintly man divorced from the Wife From Hell, however, watch out!

Often, it's somewhere inbetween - each party shares SOME of the blame. At best, the innocent party likely showed a lack of judgment in getting married to a loser or abuser in the first place.
---StrongAxe on 1/31/11

1Cor 7:8-11 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.
-This seems to be the opposite of what 1stcliff is saying...
-Either Paul or 1stcliff is looking at things worldly and not heavenly.
---micha9344 on 1/31/11

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Just a side note on this subject of re-marriage,
Marrying a *widow* can be very "iffy" Like There was no body like Bob,oh he could do anything, was closest thing to a saint .etc..,trying to fill his shoes could be very difficult!
On the other hand, marrying a *divorced woman* who had just broken free of a rat,drunken scoundrel like Jim, hey you got to be "heaven sent"!
---1st_cliff on 1/30/11

Were they praying for that?
---Peter on 1/29/11

I don't think that there was ANY prayer for us divorced men. At least as far as finding our next spouse goes. Most men who have lost a spouse through either Death or Divorce want to get remarried for the companionship of marriage.

The Bible doesn't FORBID remarriage, or marrying a divorced man or woman. It just DISCOURAGES it. Jesus Christ taught that it is adultery.

However, I think that a man who has been through divorce would be better able to understand a woman who has also been through that terrible experience. And vice versa. Just my opinion.

That prayer group was discouraging for me.
---Augie on 1/29/11

Augie: The story you tell is not very Biblical, ESPECIALLY for strong men to marry divorced women 'and whosoever shall marry that is diveorced commiteth adultery' (Mat 5:32)

I also have married a divorced woman, so I cannot be judgemental, but from what Jesus said, I also commit adultery......

Were they praying for that?
---Peter on 1/29/11

\\Yes, if we have sufficient faith we should be able to command things, but this is a side-effect of faith, not the cause of it. Jesus was a miracle worker because he was the Son of God - NOT the other way around.\\

This is why we pray and develop our faith--to be able to move with God and know what to pray for at the right time.

Not all of us have faith the size of a mustard seed, but I'm sure that many have been able to exercise their poppy-seed or even celery-seed sized faith with appropriate results.
---Cluny on 1/27/11

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After my divorce, I attended many classes/seminars put on by popular/well-known Christian speakers. I wanted to spiritually GROW beyond all the misery that comes with divorce. There was usually an altar call, and prayer time, afterwards.

I remember hearing the Leaders praying for the WOMEN who had been through divorce. Prayers that STRONG, GODLY MEN WOULD APPEAR, MARRY THEM OFF, and << Break >> any cycle of sinfulness in the WOMEN's lives. Sounded Biblical to me.

However, there were never any such prayers for me, or the other divorced MEN. We complained as we left.

Unfair? Playing "Favorites" With The Women?
---Augie on 1/27/11

Thanks for not making assumptions. Very wise!
To me this doesn't matter but my upbringing was Baptist and my name is still on their membership roll. My Dad pastored. But I love all Christian groups of all backgrounds. Whether I go to their church or not, my goal is to study to answer all individual questions of faith from what the apostles and prophets wrote. This keeps me from following EVERYTHING any human teacher says just because I like their ministry.
It also keeps me from disagreeing with God just because I don't like their ministry. It's a good habit that works for me.
This is why you'll find me agreeing AND disagreeing with all bloggers, pastors, televangelists,ME subject to subject... not group to group.
---Legends on 1/26/11

Legends, I don't want to be guilty of making FALSE ASSUMPTIONS, so I want to ask if you are a follower of Creflo Dollar, and those who are of the Word Of Faith Movement.
---Rob on 1/25/11


Yes, that is true. However, Jesus said that ONCE. That was NOT the primary focus of his teaching, and that was NOT the central focus of The Gospel that the Paul and the other Apostles preached.

Yes, if we have sufficient faith we should be able to command things, but this is a side-effect of faith, not the cause of it. Jesus was a miracle worker because he was the Son of God - NOT the other way around.

It is also curious that, despite this particular teaching of Jesus, in the two thousand years that followed, not a single person has yet had even a single mustard-seed-like faith to command mountains to be thrown into the sea (since if they had, we would certainly have heard about it).
---StrongAxe on 1/25/11

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Rob, if we could do that we would be GOD.

And if Crelfo could do that, he could balance the budget in Washington!

Gee gosh, it does appear even DC spoke billions into existence, and still can't balance the budget!

Never mind!
---kathr4453 on 1/25/11

Yes, this is ANOTHER Gospel, NOT THE Gospel. Paul said let those people that preach another Gospel be cursed.
---Leslie on 1/25/11

I think the scripture is speaking actual material things into existence and we can't do that until we die.I do however believe in speaking positive good things.
---shirley on 1/25/11

Didn't your words bring this blog into existence? Duh!
How did the U.S. Constitution and our republic come into existence? Was it not words. Human creativity doesn't come about by Hocus-Pocus or saying "I Love Peanut-butter Sandwiches". Humans create when their hearts are set on accomplishing a task and they "Say" in their hearts that the determined task will be done(like a blog question). That includes good which mirrors the will of God or/and evil! All mankind, IN THIS ASPECT of speaking things into existence, is LIKE GOD whether you agree or not.
Adam and Eve were like God in creativity but unlike Him in that they created evil outcomes by planting evil words. Evil seed planters had to be booted from God's Garden.
---Legends on 1/25/11

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Matthew 21:21,22 Jesus answered and said unto them,Verily I say unto you,if you have faith and doubt not,you shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree,but also if you shall say unto this you removed and be you cast into the sea,It shall be done. And all things,whatsoever you shall ask in prayer,believing,you shall receive. God spoke those things which were not as though they were Romans 4:17. We are not God to speak into existance any thing. We are God's children who have access to God's power through Jesus Name but only"if" we don't doubt and believe we have it James1:6,7 But let him ask in faith nothing wavering. For he that wavered--. For let not that man think he shall receive anything of the Lord.
---Darlene_1 on 1/25/11

\\I hope one day, those people who follow the FALSE TEACHINGS of the Word Of Faith Movement will stop being NAIVE and open their eyes to the TRUTH.\\

The WoF moment, aka "Blab it and grab it," is not Christianity, but a cargo cult.
---Cluny on 1/25/11

I always thought it was summarized by:

Romans 5:8
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Of course, these days, people want power without responsibility. They want to have all the miracles of God without (heaven forbid!) admitting that they have any imperfections that need fixing. So prosperity is in, and sin+repentance are out. Such a message would be totally unrecognizable 2000 years ago.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/11

We speak Our own fate,the blessed speak blessings and the cursed speak curses...
---kevin5443 on 1/24/11

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Cluny, we disagree on most things, but I must say I agree with you 100% on your last post.

I hope one day, those people who follow the FALSE TEACHINGS of the Word Of Faith Movement will stop being NAIVE and open their eyes to the TRUTH.

The Word Of Faith Movement not only teaches they are Gods, but they are also superior to the God of all creation.
---Rob on 1/24/11

Only God's words have such power.

This is the big temptation that Eve, Adam, and now Creflo Dollar and his followers are falling for: to be as God.
---Cluny on 1/24/11

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