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Harold Camping's Judgment Day

I am a Jewish/Buddhist believer with a serious question for the Christian world. Do you think Harold Camping is a fraud? Also, do you believe that judgment day will come when he predicts?

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I feel sorry for the followers of Camping who were duped by him. I think we should extend them sympathy and Christian love.
---Samuel on 5/22/11


If there is a pre-trib rapture, what's going to become of the unborn babies of expectant mothers who are taken up?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/11

What does pre-trib have to do with that?
---kathr4453 on 5/21/11

Whoops, I have been out of town, did the world end like Camping said?
Mimi either Camping knows the Bible well or he twists the Scripture it cannot be both.
Camping received millions of dollars on his prediction from biblically unlearned foolish people who won't study the Word of God for themselves. Follow a fool be a fool.... There is no way anyone can predict a true date for the return of Christ.
---Elder on 5/21/11


May 21st and I am stilling sitting here! Obviously you guys got Rapture before the trib. (Don't see any posts from you)

Should have given my APPROVAL of Jesus (AKA: Make a decision for Jesus).

Should have ran up the alter and said the 1 minute "Get out of hell ticket" sinners prayer!

Ricky Warren where are you surfer dude???

Oh no the beast is knocking on my door. (Hmmm?? He looks just like Obama.....

Got to go......
---John on 5/21/11

There has always been nutcases that have predicted the rapture since the beginning of the Christian faith. Many of their followers have ended up with a faith shipwreaked. What we see in Camping (also a degreed engineer) is the same thing that Edgar Whisenant, a NASA engineer predicted back in 1988. Like with the followers of Camping, many will have sold their properties, changed their career plans, etc. chosing instead to focus on the upcoming prediction. Like the Seventh Day Adventists back in 1844, there is little or no differences. In any case, it makes Christians look like fools and who will want to listen to us even when we speak the truth?
---leej on 5/21/11


If there is a pre-trib rapture, what's going to become of the unborn babies of expectant mothers who are taken up?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/11
They will be burned up much as the same as those who were in Sodom & Gomarrah when God destroyed that city.

The assumption you make is wrong if you believe babies who are either just born or even unborn can be saved.
---leej on 5/21/11

I writing this at 12 midnight on may 21st. Every time someone predicts "judgement day" (and I've heard many such predictions in my 70 yrs.) I think to myself "Well, it certainly won't be THAT day since the Bible tells us no man knows the day. Any other day is more likely!"

I don't think Camping is a fraud.... he's in his late eighties. At his age I think it's just wishful thinking. He's done some math based on scripture and has decided today was the day. He made the same prediction some years ago and, naturally had to admit he was mistaken.

But maybe it's good for us to stop and think, what if...
---Donna66 on 5/22/11

are we still here?
---kevin5443 on 5/22/11

Well, it's 5/22/2011 and the world looks the same. Did I miss something? The Bible says of the day of the "rapture":

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I didn't hear any "great noise", and nothing appears "burned up" outside. BTW, how are those "left behind" folks supposed to survive that kind of heat?
---jerry6593 on 5/22/11

I'm still here ... and I have not heard of anyone who has disappeared.

How will Mr Camping explain this?
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/22/11

Christians who are correctly taught and knowledgeable do not have to entertain such foolisness. No one knows the hour or time Christ will return. Read your bible people. This man is a complete fraud. Only ill-taught and divisive people will entertain this train of thought and teaching.
But I wll use this time to examine my life and see if I am still in the faith.
---Robyn on 5/20/11

\\His knowledge of the Scriptures is very good, even if a bit twisted.
---mima on 5/19/11

The same thing can be said about Satan.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/11


If there is a pre-trib rapture, what's going to become of the unborn babies of expectant mothers who are taken up?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/11

Harold Camping's last faulty forcast was covered over by stating the rapture did take place and we are now living in the Kingdom age. WOW, 1000 years have passed since his last prediction.

I wonder why satan wasn't bound all these years.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/11

I really don't understand this man.i have read the Bible at least 12 times and no dates are mentioned.I agree with another poster.He looks to be about 90.No one knows the day and hour.Jesus said this.Also the period of tribulation is 7 years not 5 months.don't understand his teaching at all.
---shirley on 5/20/11

Harold Camping is over 89 years old. Perhaps he has become senile like many in their late years and should be let out to pasture.

What I am left wondering about is if Christ does not come on 21 May, what excuse will he provide for his failed prediction - that Jesus entered into the most holy of holies in the heavenlies to begin judgment on Christians who disagreed with him, much like the old Adventists did in the 1840's?
---leej on 5/20/11

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One more day will prove that Harold Camping is a false teacher.

It was about five years ago that I heard Harold on the radio, some of the things he said sounded ok, so I researched him and was led to this blog site. That's how I discovered CN. After finding out what he taught, I had to conclude that he was/is a false teacher, besides the fact that he was extremely boring to listen to.
---Rod4Him on 5/20/11

Perhaps Francis and maybe Jerry may want to tell us that Harold Camping being an expert on Daniel may want to become an Adventist or worst yet create another Adventist type of religion.

Both Adventists in the 1840's and Camping today gathered a large following and must certainly will have similar type of stories as to what really happened when Jesus does not appear - Jesus appear invisibility or went into another part of the temple in the heavenlies.

Both are very poor when it comes to exegesis of Scripture.
---leej on 5/19/11

This past week I heard a radio interview with Mr. Camping. This man is 89 years old. He is very articulate. His knowledge of the Scriptures is very good, even if a bit twisted.
---mima on 5/19/11

One must bear in mind that Harold Camping was able to calculate the date of Christ return by a detailed study of the book of Daniel.

Now the Adventists did the very same thing back in the 1840's, only when Christ failed to return, they were able to invent some cockaboo story that Jesus left the Father's side in heaven to enter into the inner sanctuary to begin judgment on Christians that were not Adventists.

Will Camping follow in the footsteps of the Adventists? Probably will tell us something happened in the heavenlies that one cannot verify but must accept on the basis of his unique and un-exegetic interpretation of Scripture.
---leej on 5/17/11

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yes, strongaxe, i agree. the Lord said there will be soy milk amongst thee whole milk, but do not separate lest we spoil the whole milk. the day to separate and homogenize will come.

The Lord also said, if you follow the 10 step recipe, you will be saved. however, since none of us can follow a simple recipe perfectly, He knew He would have to.

Does this mean to throw out the recipe. God forbid. However, He said if we summarize the 10 steps into two, it would be the same. and follow Him, and He will supply the milk and sugar.
---aka on 4/18/11


Be careful, lest you start feuding denominations of Skim Milkians, Whole Milkians (and of course, the obviously heretical Chocolate Milkians). And, of course, the new-covenant schismatics who will insist that we are not bound by the Law of Sugar, but are free to use artificial sweeteners, or even no sweeteners at all!
---StrongAxe on 4/18/11

i am a profit of the Lord, harken unto me.

The Lord's words appeared to me in a bowl of Alpha & Omega-bits cereal...

Thus the Lord's Word spelleth out,

"the day comes soon when my Son returns again to establish a land of milk and sugar..."

"it will be from this moment on."
---aka on 4/16/11

fulfillment of Adamic prophecy of our kind:

7026 Noah + ~7000 + 2012 / 1335 = 12.013483146067415730337078651685

16,038 / 1260 = 12.72 8 5714 28571428571428571428571
---johannes_davidst on 4/16/11

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+ 12 + 10...

= 1332 + 3 days, day for year culmination.
---johannes_davist on 4/16/11

13 + 3 + 5 (8=3+5) = 21
---johannes_davist on 4/16/11

666 x3 = 1998...

+ 13 tribes with Judah and Ephraim Joined.

13 3 5...

5 th month is may. 35 - 21 = 14.

However, there are 14 Jacob years until Esau (Edom) event and the angel struggles.

Else, a fraud he is?

Wisdom calculate is written.

The catching up occurs following the 7 years divided in half which was 1260 = 40 + 1220, + 3 + 40 + 10 days Outpouring.
---johannes_davist on 4/16/11

AMOS 6:3 Woe to you who put far off the day of doom, Who cause the seat of violence to come near.
---RICHARDC on 4/13/11

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No. It will occur on the day after his prediction, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or the day after that, or maybe even the day, week, month, year, century, millennium, or a few, several, or multitudes of millenniums after that. Or before...
---atheist on 4/12/11

I thought I would bring this back up to remind people of the error of trying to predict the last days.

Opps...I need to what another month.
---Rod4Him on 4/12/11

Eloy, though you dd not put down Scriptures, what you said has great value now. Very good.
---Mark_V. on 3/24/11

Harold Camping is a 90 year old retired crackpot who believes he knows when the "RAPTURE" will occur. His latest prediction is supposed to be on May 21,2011.Of course,he also predicted the "RAPTURE" would occur on Sept.6,1994.I'm not losing any sleep over this and neither should you.
---jay on 3/21/11

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REVELATION 22:10 And he said to me, Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book,for the time is at hand.

LUKE 21:34 BUT take heed to yourselves lest your hearts be weight down with carousing.drunkeness,and cares of this life,and THAT DAY COME ON YOU UNEXPECTEDLY.

HEBREWS 10:25 NOT forsaking the assembling of ourselves together,as the manner of some is: but exhorting one another: and so much the more,AS YE SEE THE DAY APPROACHING.

LUKE 12:46 The master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him,and AT an HOUR WHEN HE IS NOT AWARE,and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers ( HOUR in this context is time)
---RICHARDC on 2/17/11

Daniel_Detrick, Date-setters will come, and date-setters will go. The point is: If any person will say to you, Here, Christ is in the desert! go not forward: Here, Christ in the inner rooms! believe it not. For as the lightning comes out of the east, and flashes even onto the west, so will also the coming of the Son of man be. The sun will be darkened and the moon turned into blood and the stars will be thrown down to the earth, and the earth will quake and the oceans will roar, and there will be perplexity among all nations, and mankind will fear what is coming upon the world. And my God will part the sky, and come in great power and glory, and every eye will see him and every ear will hear the Coming of the Lord.
---Eloy on 2/17/11

Eloy, what you wrote is impressive. But really is of no value. First, your use of Nebuchadnazzar to present 666 is not found in Scripture anywhere. Second, you could have used other names for each letters and would have given you a different number. There is many names with the same letters. Third, you should have done what is wise and not speculate beyond what is said in Scripture. 666 is the number for the Antichrist. That we know already. God said, "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of man: His (the Antichrist) number is 666." Rev. 13:18. The passage never said the Antichrist was Nebuchadnezzar. For the number for man is 6. in many languages, Heb. Gk. Lat.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/11

666 is the unholy trinity. Whoso reads, let him understand. Mt.24:15. Here is wisdom, Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number, Six hundred threescore six. Rev.13:18.
N (nu)       =  50
E (eta) = 8
B (beta) = 2
U (upsilon) = 400
C (kappa) = 20
H (eta) = 8
A (alpha) = 1
D (delta) = 4
N (nu) = 50
E (eta) = 8
Z (zeta) = 7
Z (zeta) = 7
A (alpha) = 1
R (rho) = 100
---Eloy on 2/16/11

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andy3996, the poster could be accepting of parts of Jewry and also accepting of parts of Buddhism, and therefore he calls himself a Jewish/Buddhist believer. It is an unusual eclectic faith to accept two very different religions, but very common for people who have not settled on only one traditional faith.
---Eloy on 2/15/11

"But all you kin are not in darkness, that that day of the Lord's coming should overtake you as a thief. All you are all the sired of light, and the sired of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others, but let us watch and be prepared. Blessed that servant, whom their Lord when he comes will find so doing. But and if the evil servant will say in his heart, My Lord delays his coming. The Lord of that servant will come in a day when that one not looking for, and in an hour that one is not aware of." I Thes.5:4-6+ Mt.24:46,48,50.
---Eloy on 2/15/11

Sorry to intervene in this very interesting converstation you guys have, but...(and i risk repeating myself)... a Jewish/buddhist believer is something that brings alot of questions to me. bassically no-one can be AND a jewish believer AND a Buddhist believer, obviously Daniel is pulling our legs, and makes us to fight over minor issues. he' probably reading all our blogs and is laughing his guts out. strange thing is, I think most people don't really read before they answer a blog.
---andy3996 on 2/15/11

Daniel_Detrick, No Judgment Day will not come as Harold Camping predicts, instead Judgment Day will come exactly as the Scripture predicts.
---Eloy on 2/14/11

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\\Alan, I said Scripture tells us the exact day,\\

Eloy says he knows the day of Jesus's return.

Jesus says NOBODY knows the day.

Who is right? Jesus or Eloy?
---Cluny on 2/14/11

Alan, I said Scripture tells us the exact day, but because Christ said that he will return sooner then he planned, thus noone can know the precise date and precise hour (ref: Mt.24:22). First, The AntiChrist idolizes himself which he animates and makes a law that all worship him and his image, which marks The Great Tribulation of 3 1/2 years. Immdeiately after this tribulation the sky will be parted as a scroll, and Christ himself will appear in the heavens, and every eye will see him and every ear will hear the Coming of the Lord, and they will look upon him whom they have pierced: and many will be horrified at God's appearing and cry out for the rocks to fall upon them to hide them from him whom has come to Judge the quick and the dead.
---Eloy on 2/14/11

Eloy, what you wrote about the parallels in the O.T, and the N.T. is correct, with the exception of Nebuchadnezzar.
The history of Israel and the history of Jesus Christ have many parallels.
1. Joseph had dreams and went to Egypt (Gen. 37,39), in the N.T. we find another Joseph who had dreams and went to Egypt (Matt. 2).
2. God called Israel out of Egypt, He called that new nation "My son" (Exodus 4:22). When Jesus came out of Egypt, God said, "Out of Egypt I called My Son" (Matt. 2:15).
3. When Israel left Egypt, the people went through the Red Sea. They were baptized in the sea (1 Cor. 10:2). In (Matt. 3) we read that Jesus was baptized in the Jordan, "to fulfill all righteousness"
---Mark_V. on 2/13/11

Eloy ... I though you said you knew the precise date? Or did I misunderstand?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/13/11

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Eloy 2:
4. In Psalm 80:8 Israel is called the a "vine" Yet Jesus Christ declared "I am the true Vine" (John 15:1).
5. God referred to the nation of Israel as "My son, My firstborn" (Exodus 4:22). Yet Paul called our Messiah "the first born of all creation" (Colossians 1:15). and many more, but no where does it say that Nebuchadnezzar having 666 in his name. That can be found only the book "The Bible Code" and not in Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 2/13/11

DANIEL 12:9 AND he said, GO thy way Daniel: For the words are closed up till the Time of the end.

DANIEL 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried: but the wicked shall do wickedly: AND NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND: but the wise shall understand

GALATIANS 4:10 YE observe days,and months,and times and years.
---RICHARDC on 2/12/11

All, It is in Daniel the prophet. Know you all that the o.t. is a foreshadow or forerunner of the N.T. His history which is a prophetic before type of repeated epoch. For example: Joseph sold by his brother Judah for 20 pieces of silver- Gn.37:26-28 & Jesus sold by his brother Judas for 30 pieces of silver- Mt.26:14-16: Moses on the mount with his 10 Commandments- Ex.19:23- 20:17 & Jesus on the hill with his 10 Beatitudes- Mt.4:25-5:19. Thus in parallel manner, Nebuchadnezzar whose name totals 666, and who was antiGod which set up a gold image of himself 60 cubits high and 6 cubits wide (which measures to about 100 foot high by 10 feet wide) in the province of Babylon, then he was turned into a beast- Dn.3:1+ 4:33 & Rv.13:15-18.
---Eloy on 2/13/11

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

there is/are periods of time with great tribulation, but there is not a specifice time called //The Great Tribulation//.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
---aka on 2/12/11

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Yes, what verses show the description by height of the animation the anti-christ will set up for himself? I'm not being rude--I'm just asking a question because I am woefully uneducated, myself, so would appreciate the help--thank you Eloy.
---Mary on 2/12/11

\\ animated picture 100 ft tall.
and 10 ft. wide (seems quite long and narrow). But it could be, Where did you get this idea? Did you read it somewhere?\\

Any number of things it could be.

A Gollem.

A TV or cinema image.

A holographic projection.

An automaton.

But, like you, I'd like to know where he got these dimensions.
---Cluny on 2/12/11 animated picture 100 ft tall.
and 10 ft. wide (seems quite long and narrow). But it could be, Where did you get this idea? Did you read it somewhere?
---Donna66 on 2/12/11

\\Alan, "When the son of perdition, whose name equals 666, sets up an animated image of himself of an 100 feet high and 10 foot wide,\\

I suppose that Eloy will never tell us where he got these dimensions.
---Cluny on 2/12/11

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Alan, "When the son of perdition, whose name equals 666, sets up an animated image of himself of an 100 feet high and 10 foot wide, then will be The Great Tribulation, such as was not since the beiginning of the world up to this time, no, nor ever will be."
---Eloy on 2/12/11

MARKV - The son is One person and so is the father -haven't gone though your verse yet but lets start here



ROMAN 16:24 The grace of our LORD JESUS CHRIST be with you all.( Father and Son are ONE and the same )

JOHN 14:7 IF ye KNOW ME ye should have know my FATHER and from hencefore YE KNOW him AND HAVE SEEN HIM.

---RICHARD on 2/11/11

My question is A JEWISH BUDDHIST BELIEVER? What are you saying your a buddhist who ghot sircumsised or a Jew who turned his back to his faith? or you're very confused or your trying to pull someone's legs. there is no such thing as a Jewish buddhist believer. or your a jewish believer or your a buddhist.
---andy_3996 on 2/12/11

Eloy, everyone has read the events that will happen. Everyone knows all about that. But you are the only one who sets the dates and hours. You said everyone misunderstands the passages but you. So I ask, when is the date and in what hour? You gave the date and hour of the birth of Jesus, and many other events, but you did not give one here. Is this a lack of knowledge in your part?
---Mark_V. on 2/12/11

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"Christians will be hated, persecuted and killed by all nations. And when you all see The Abomination of Desolation, The AntiChrist whose name is after the name of Nebuchadnezzar and equals 666, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, then will be The Great Tribulation. His office is 3 1/2 years: then Christ Jesus will appear from heaven and gather up his Christians. Beginning at Jerusalem, and the entire world, and all things in it will be set afire by Christ, and none will escape, for even the air, the rocks, and all elements will be burning until all is wholly purged. Then a new heaven and a new earth will be, wherein dwells only righteousness, and sin will not rise up a second time."
---Eloy on 2/11/11

Eloy ... What day is that then?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/11/11

Eloy, of course you are the man who we all should have gone to. Why didn't I just ask you, since Jesus in His incarnate human presence didn't know. You know the days of all events since you claim to be the light Jesus saw on the Cross and a Prophet, you must know the dates all events in history, and when future events will take place. Because you say,

"So either people are only settling on one verse which is inaccurately translated and used by the unlearned to spread falsehood, or else they are abiding in ignorance from all the numerous scriptures"

Help us out Eloy, since you know the right interpretation, and everyone else doesn't. "On what day and hour can we expect Jesus Coming?"
---Mark_V. on 2/11/11

Jesus tells us in his own words in the Scriptures exactly what day when he will appear in the sky in person, and when his great White Throne Judgment Day will happen. So either people are only settling on one verse which is inaccurately translated and used by the unlearned to spread falsehood, or else they are abiding in ignorance from all the numerous scriptures which clearly detail when his exact coming will be.
---Eloy on 2/11/11

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//...because you can not seperate son and father. Because Christ is GOD,
The son most likely is satan...There are verses in the Bible that say...// --RICHARD on 2/7/111

If you are going to use selected verses from the Bible to support anything, use the wholle Bible in context.

Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
---aka on 2/10/11

It beggars belief that Richard should imagine that Jesus when referring to the Son in Mark 13 is not referring to Himself
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/10/11

Richard, you have made a terrible mistake in your understanding of Jesus Christ the incarnate when you said,
"First The son in MARK 13:32 can not be Christ,because you can not seperate son and father. Because Christ is GOD,"

The Son is One Person and so is the Father. In the incarnate person of the Son, He always did what the Father told Him to do. When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God (John 1:1-14), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes, (Phil. 2:6-8). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father (John 4:34, 5:30, 6:38)
---Mark_V. on 2/10/11

Richard obviious you don't mind openly blaspheming G-d, The Christ and the Holy Spirit.

So you speak for Satan and promote his cause.

So when one confronts Satan he should just quote scripture to him.


nor "THE" Son....



---John on 2/9/11

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I believe that Harold Camping started with a great purpose. But in time he too began going away from the Truth. He has predicted the end of the world on May 21st of this year. There is a big huge billboard about a mile from my house. I would say he is a false prophet, because he has already predicted the end a few times, and was wrong. He should know that no one knows the hour or the time. He knows a lot of the Truth. Why do some preachers go wrong? Because it's ordain to be just the way it is.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/11

JOHN on 2/7/11 - You really need to look deeper in to the Bible.
MARK 3:32 But of that day or hour no one Knows, not even the angels in heaven,nor the Son,but the father alone,

First The son in MARK 13:32 can not be Christ,because you can not seperate son and father. Because Christ is GOD,
The son most likely is satan.satan is also call the son.PSALM 89:22 Isaiah 14:12
This is a short space to really get in to this,There are verses in the Bible that say the time is going to be known.

ISAIAH 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,and the day of vengeance of our GOD, to comfort all that mourn
---RICHARD on 2/7/11

every day is judgment day. selah.
---aka on 2/7/11

Fraud is a strong word, misled may be a better term. Date-setters have come and gone ever since God put the word out that there is a Judgment Day set. The key is to be living the Christian life obeying Christ so that no matter what day your day is, you will be ready for it always and at all times.
---eloy7794 on 2/7/11

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"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only".
---John on 2/7/11

Harold Camping is a fraud. He's predicted Jesus's return since the 1970's..first it was in 1982 or 83, then it was in 1986, then again on other dates and if I were you, I wouldn't listen to him anymore. I did when I was a baby Christian back in the early 1980's, but never believed a word he says.
---Donna5535 on 2/7/11

Not heard of him, but, has he done any predicting etc of things to happen & has Not come to pass? If so, then Harold
Is Camping out here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 2/6/11

anyone who claims to know when the judgement day will come is deceived. I have heard several predict the coming of the Lord and judgement day and they have all been wrong. Only God knows.
---shira3877 on 2/6/11

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Who in heaven's name is Harold Camping?
---John.usa on 2/6/11

Jesus said that He did not know when the day would come for His return. Scripture is plain that nobody knows when God will do anything. Why would God go against His Word and let a mere mortal, like Camping know something He withheld from the Lord Jesus?
---Trish on 2/6/11

Been going over May 21 2011 for almost 2 year now, In fact working on it today. The problem I got with it,is I can't see a problem with it,And I'am looking for were it's off.
---RICHARDC on 2/6/11

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