Christ Rose From The Dead
A church magazine, talking about Easter stated
"2000 years ago, Jesus was crucified dead and buried. On the third day, though, he rose again from the dead. This is unusual. It signified that once and for all, death is conquered ... no matter how rotten we are God forgives us" What this a dangerous statement?
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---alan8566_of_uk on 3/15/11
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it is your belief,your daily obidience,your faith,your walk daily taking up your cross,that produces fruit. living this way makes a life lived victorious.
---tom2 on 4/24/11|
The Seg, thank you for your post, they speak the truth.
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
Light had to come to those who were in darkness. They could not come out of the darkness on their own, they had no desire for the light because men loved darkness rather than light, that is why their deeds were evil
---Mark_V. on 3/19/11|
Whats dangerous about this statement?
Does this mean everybody can sin?
No Christian would say such a stupid thing, right!
But, we all still sin. Right!
But what if they dont know God, like in ignorance?
Should they be held accountable? John 6:44?
But, what about you, you who say I believe?
Should you be held accountable? Rom 3:10?
Now we come to you, you who say I know God!
Should you be held accountable? Luk 17:10!
I hear so many say Yes! You will be held accountable!
If you could only see who he is talking too, Mal 2:2!
If you think righteousness come because you keep the law.
You are only deceiving yourself! Rom 3:19
I just take him at his word! Jesus Christ
---TheSeg on 3/18/11|
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not, I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
Maybe more than one!
---TheSeg on 3/17/11|
James L, what you described was salvation by your own works. Just not in Scripture, when you said,
"I was wanting to know what good thing must I do to make myself acceptable to God."
But you are right when you said,
"I wasn't looking for or wanting forgiveness before I bcame a believer."
Now that is true because no one who is lost is looking to please God. You were made alive while you were dead in your traspasses and sins. You loved what you were doing, until God changed your heart towards Christ.
---Mark_V. on 3/17/11|
The statment as far as it goes is true. What it lacks is the point that GOD saves us from the control of sin to live for JESUS.
Many want to be saved while living in sin. GOD wants to overcome sin and die to self.
---Samuel on 3/17/11|
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
I believe the question is. Is it sin or the disbelief in the forgiving of sin?
Sorry, but how can one believe, what one cant believe?
---TheSeg on 3/16/11|
He did die once for us. Each year we rember what he did. I celebrate it during the Passover when it happened. Others celebrate it a week later with the adopted easter holiday. So no it's not a dangerous statment, but a truthful one.
---Candice on 3/16/11|
\\God can forgive the rottenest among us....but a person must WANT forgiveness.\\
---Donna66 on 3/15/11
I wasn't looking for or wanting forgiveness before I bcame a believer. I was wanting to know what good thing must I do to make myself acceptable to God.
But the gospel broadsided me like a dump truck running into corvette.
shattered to pieces, the gospel undid everything I had ever believed in, and I was rejecting it as hard as I could.
I remember praying "Jesus paid it all? Absolutley not. There has to be something that I have to do. My part."
The Holy Spirit converted me, and it had nothing to do with my wants and desires.
---James_L on 3/16/11|
Forgiveness is only given to a repentant heart. You must be sorry for the sins you've committed & turn from them. You CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT LIVE in a sinful lifestyle then expect the sins to just be overlooked. That's not how the Grace of Jesus works. Romans 6:1-2, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
---Reba on 3/16/11|
Alan, What I like about this article **Jesus was crucified dead and buried.On the third day ,though,he rose from the dead** is that it's a "Pure" statement ..Death, burial resurrection, no romping around the universe preaching to angels,freeing prisoners etc..
The death He conquered was "His own"!
---1st_cliff on 3/16/11|
I'm with Christian and John usa. God forgives the most rotten people alive. And once forgiven, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. And when they make a genuine commitment to Christ, they will change. because the love of God is in them and they will want to do everything possible to please God even though they fail many times. Our salvation is not determine by our works, but by the Grace of God through faith.
---Mark_V. on 3/16/11|
The dangerous thing is the implication that God's forgiveness is somehow "automatic". God can forgive the rottenest among us....but a person must WANT forgiveness.
---Donna66 on 3/15/11|
I agree with your comment, John.usa
And Scripture backs up that salvation is by grace alone, period. Wasn't King Solomon rotten to the core in his latter days and is now in Paradise? The thief on the cross died a thief but forgiven by Christ, so what good works did he do?
Many reject salvation by grace alone and wedge in that salvation can be lost if one does not walk according to the law. Paul simply counters and declare, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31
---christan on 3/16/11|
Yes!! Jesus Christ conquered death for us all. But only through him can we enjoy his victory over death.
---mima on 3/16/11|
My suggestion that it maight be dangerous because it might give the impression that death "for all" is conquered. I think there is enough in the Bible to tell us that we have to respond the Jesus sacrifice for us.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/16/11|
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of course we should be able to read the rest of the article to judge. if you read following verse without reference of the rest one might also come to the wrong conclusion:Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners. (Matthew 11: 19 in part)
---andy3996 on 3/16/11|
I'm not sure what's "dangerous" about that statement in the church magazine. Are you saying that God cannot forgive people who have reached a certain level of rottenness?
---John.usa on 3/15/11|
Grace not applied, is grace despised. Not all souls accept Christ, and they are living for self and sin and satan: and therefore these sinners are not forgiven, but instead they condemned to hell. For the Lord God Jesus Christ is very clear, the one that rejects me, I will reject, and that one will be cast into everlasting hell. It's easy, do you want to stay rotten? then stay rotten, but then there will be no fresh heaven for you, there will only be rotten hell for you which you have chosen for yourself. For God Commands all to repent and be holy, else be condemned.
---Eloy on 3/15/11|
I am concerned about who are the people who put this out. They may be the ones who are dangerous . . . if they think they can keep on being rotten and God will forgive them while they keep on being rotten. I don't know. I'm not sure I need to ask who they are. I can Internet search with a partial quote from your quote, if I want to know (c:
On the cross, Jesus already desired forgiveness for us all. Jesus is the propitiation for the sins "of the whole world," we have in 1 John 2:2. So, God has forgiveness ready to go for all of us. But we have this forgiveness by living in God's love where His forgiveness lives (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/15/11|