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Did Peter Forgive Himself

Do you think Peter forgave himself when he denied knowing Jesus? How long did it take him and how much remorse did he have to show in order to be repentfull?

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 ---Donna5535 on 4/8/11
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More Excellent, thank you for you kind answer. It is a pleasure to discuss the Word of God. Every time someone brings a question the objective should be for the Truth. That I believe should be in everyone's heart of those who believe. Pride should be kept out. Denominations should be kept out. Anger and vicious attacks should be kept out especially concerning the Word of God. Sometimes when we answer the intend is not bad, but when others read it, is sounds bad many times because we are not face to face. Lets keep seeking the Truth. Jesus said, "For this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the Truth, "Everyone who is of the Truth hears My voice" We are of the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/11

Mark, The issue I brought up was a very harsh one indeed. You withstood it very well and didn't condemn me to be figuratively burned at the stake. You steadfastly defended what you were taught with loyalty, honor, peace, courage and strength.

God often presents us with such trials to make us more fit for His future purposes. A weak man becomes a wild man and 'flies off the handle' when confronted, but you are not weak of mind and heart. God found in you what He was looking for. He admires the strong and courageous (that is what pleases Him, not the weak and timid who "tiptoe" and are afraid).

"for God did not give us a spirit of timidity but a spirit of power and love and self-control" (2 Timothy 1:7).
---more_excellent_way on 4/22/11

More excellent, I'm sorry to disagree with you on the topic of Peter. I'm so sure we agree on many others. I have followed your answers for a long time, and it wasn't until this topic came up that I disagreed with you. But many think I have favorites and never question them, but I do question anyone whom I feel I don't agree with. And I would hope others who disagree with me would do so with Scripture but not the way I have been answered by others because they don't agree with me. Some get vicious and call me a heretic, a liar, that I don't understand, or many times when they answer others my name is out there as a target. Even my family has become a target to them.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/11

One of the things I've learned in life is that when a person finds themselves constantly making excuses/explanations for someone, the person needing the excuses is...WRONG.

We should "LOVE" the truth, not "LIKE" it (for VERY good reason)....

2 Thessalonians 2:10
"and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth AND SO BE SAVED".

(just in case you'd like to avoid the strong delusion that was sent with ALL WICKED deception).
---more_excellent_way on 4/22/11

Scott, I agree with you. I don't think that we should blame anyone. Most of the time the disciples themselves didn't believe the things Jesus was saying, but they heard the Truth. Example, When Jesus was before Pilate. Pilate said to Him, "Are you a king then?" Jesus answered, "You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness of the Truth. "Everyone who is of the Truth" hears My voice" Peter was of the Truth because he heard Jesus voice, he might have not understood everything yet, as the others, but after Pentecost and after receiving the Holy Spirit, they did, just as Jesus had promised them in (Acts 1:8).
---Mark_V. on 4/21/11

I think Peter forgave himself. I know Jesus forgave him. Jesus knows our strengths and our weaknesses. Peter was a mortal man, flesh and blood. He loved Jesus but he made a terrible mistake.His flesh was weak, as is ours(christians). We will weaken and feel like giving up,sometimes. But we dare not!We know the world has nothing to offer us and cannot satisfy like Jesus Christ.We do not have to punish ourselves and go through a ritual in order to be forgiven.We simply ask and we shall be forgiven.In John ch 21.Jesus reinstates or forgives Peter.What a great teaching lesson for christians all over the world. Thank God for Jesus.
---Robyn on 4/21/11

Peter always had great zeal for Jesus. It was just a little misguided at times because Peter while with Jesus wanted a earthly kingdom (transfiguration and attack the guard in the garden etc). Only after being raised from the dead and HS did Peter understand the full context of what Jesus was doing. Peter denied Jesus because he saw the earthly kingdom go away. After HS he saw the spiritual realm was greater than earthly realm and was the vessel to reach 3000 people to Christ on Penetacost. Where did Peter glorify himself before man?
---Scott on 4/20/11

I didn't say that Peter is the Antichrist that everyone expects to usher in "the end". I believe that WE (humanity) ARE "666". WE (the individual) CHOOSE to believe WHATEVER is COMFORTABLE (we prevent ourselves from 'believing the truth'...we've become our own "666").

It is you who choose to "BLAME" Peter in order to exonerate everyone who CHOOSES to glorify man instead of God (subconscious choice, but the WILLINGNESS is your responsibility).

I came to Christ 24 years ago and almost overnight, became a backslider because I saw that the teachings/practices were meant to glorify man (yes, I can be accused of being a hypocrite for 24 years, but I refused to learn [be taught] to glorify man).
---more_excellent_way on 4/20/11

More Excellent, I don't know how you came out with "666" and connect that with Peter. That is to far for me to grasp. Maybe discussing this matters about Peter was the wrong thing for me, because as far as you are concern, he wasn't a godly man, he was the "Antichrist. I think you went to far but that is your opinion. It was nice talking to you. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

Norman Meeten, a very anointed man of God taught on Peter. He said this church wanted him to title his message Peter incapable or something like that, but Norman said, "No, I will not title my teaching that way, instead, I would like to title it, "Peter incredulous." And so Norman got to preach on the triumphs of Peter...first thing he said was, "You would have never gotten out of the boat, would you?" Great teaching and it's on the web if anyone ever wants to hear it.
---Donna5535 on 4/19/11

666 is not the number of a 7th day creation. It is the number of a SIXTH day is the number of a '6th day man' that was taught about the three manifestations of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) as though MAN should be glorified instead of God ONLY.....Revelation 13:18 in the RSV says that "it is a human number", other versions vary as saying that it is "the number of a man" (a 6th day creation man, "the OLD man" of darkness/weak flesh).

That is what Peter allowed to happen at Antioch (Peter allowed and formalized the teachings that MAN should be glorified instead of GOD ONLY).
---more_excellent_way on 4/19/11

More excellent, you are right about all you said. The only thing I was oppose to was that you blame Peter for so much and judge him as oppose to the gospel, yet he was a big part of people coming to Christ, and also, it was him God chose to be who he was. God didn't make any mistakes. His decision to chose him had many reasons. He was after all almost always the speaker for the other 11. He is mentioned more then everyone with the exception of Paul. So God had a big purpose for him, maybe to also show us how this man of God could fail just as we do. Looking at this from a God centered theology, God knew exactly what Peter would do before he was even born and still chose him.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

Okay Mark, at least you addressed Peter's behavior at Antioch, but the real issue that should be addressed about that incident is the...

...LEGITIMACY of the name "Christianity" and the practices and beliefs that have been taught for the last 1960 years.

The 'pharisee moneychanger style' of honoring God and also 'performing deeds of kindness/righteousness' in order to earn God's favor is still falsely believed to be a part of TRUE devotion.

We should be a "TRUE WORSHIPPER" (John 4:23) and a MEMBER of...."the way" (JESUS Himself is "THE WAY", John 14:6).

Paul was not a 'follower type' of person, he was an integral MEMBER (part of) spiritually living inside of Christ's body.
---more_excellent_way on 4/19/11

More excellent 3: Concerning the "incident at Antioch" I believe Peter was wrong. One debate is, if it was the same Peter, since there were about 70 disciples at the time. But if it was, he was wrong for eating with the gentles and then leaving so that the Judaizers would not see him eating with them. And all of this over the Law, SDA's who are the Judaizers of today, want new believers to be under the Law. Even the RCC sides with Peter since not only is Peter their headstone but also they believe in works of the law for salvation. Many sided with Peter but Paul was the one who was right. Peters failures were big here siding with the Judaizers, since the gospel is all of Grace.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/11

More excellent, I'm taking one context at a time and not forming an opinion of Peter. In Acts 5 your opinion is wrong. You said,
"Acts 5, Peter gained followers by using fear and glorified himself so that others wanted his "shadow to fall upon them".
I don't believe that is true at all. Peter said: "You have not lied to men but to God" Ananias hearing his words, fell down and breathed his last. God brought death to both not Peter. Ananias and Sapphira were satanically inspired in contrast to Barnabas Spirit filled gesture (4:37). Ananias must have promised the Lord he would give the whole amount. He lied to the ever-present Holy Spirit in him (1 Cor. 6:19,20), and in the church (Eph. 2:21,22).
---Mark_V. on 4/17/11

Okay Mark, since you insist on continuing to make excuses for Peter (call them explanations, etc. if you like), then I am going to have to insist that you go all the way and fully justify what happened at the INCIDENT AT ANTIOCH (but, obviously, you and everyone in the world are scared to address the "Incident at Antioch")....fair is fair.
---more_excellent_way on 4/17/11

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More excellent Part 2: Peter began to rebuke Him, Here the disciples still could not comprehend a dying Messiah. On the road to Jerusalem, Jesus was preparing the disciples for His death. Peter as usual expressed the thoughts of the rest of the 12. Jesus said "get behind Me, Satan" Peter was been condemned for what he said, he was being the mouthpiece of Satan, for whoever opposed the death of Christ, wittingly or not, advocated Satan's work. Jesus was not condemning him to hell, only condemning what he had said. His thoughts were the same as the other 11 disciples.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11

More excellent, I believe your take on those passages in Mark 8:33 wrong. You took a few context to show that Peter was against God.
As we know Peter most of the time spoke for the 12 disciples. The subject is the death of Christ. The 12 did not believed the Messiah was to die soon. Jesus asked, "who do you say that I am?" (v.29) Peter replied on the behalf of the 12 "you are the Christ" Jesus messianic mission cannot be understood apart from the cross, which the disciples did not yet understand (v. 31-33, 9:30-32)For them to have proclaimed Jesus as Messiah at this point would have only furthered the misunderstanding that the Messiah was to be a political military deliverer. But now they find out He is to die.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11

more-excellent-way....sorry for inadvertently calling you strong-axe.

The Lord never brings to my "remembrance" something that isn't in the Bible to begin with. I remember only what is written about the so-called "incident at Antioch". I'm not into conspiracy theories or "dirty little secrets". Why should I judge Peter more harshly than his close associates or his Lord?
Actually, come to think of it, I'm not his judge, anyhow.
---Donna66 on 4/15/11

"What we do know is that Peter was human, capable of failing. Just like everyone elseYes ... like every disciple, then and ever since. There are those who claim to be sinless once they are saved ... but why then did Jesus tell us to pray for forgiveness of our sin?

So I agree with Mark, except perhaps about "He just failed more than the other disciples" I think Peter failed more than the others because he tried more. His weakness was impetuosity and this led to more failure. That happens in every walk of secular or spiritual life.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/15/11

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Mark, your defense of Peter is very merciful (if Peter knew, he would be 'at PEACE').

In Matthew 10:34, Jesus brought the SWORD of division/discernment.

Jesus did not come to enable people to still have a 'peaceful' mind regardless of their deeds. Jesus came to cause a distinct line between GOOD and BAD...the DISCERNING/dividing SWORD that a holy person should have, Ephesians 6:17 ("sword OF THE SPIRIT")...the "sword" causes there to be a CLEAR DIVISION (dichotomy, 2 sided coin...DISTINCTION) between good and evil.

Remember the wrong choice in Eden was about the "KNOWLEDGE OF". God wants us to learn how to use it PROPERLY, so don't continue to misuse that knowledge by making excuses for Peter.
---more_excellent_way on 4/15/11

More excellent, you said,

"it doesn't mean we should form our own personal modern devotion IN THE SAME WAY as Peter"

I never said that. Never said this is what we should do. What we do know is that Peter was human, capable of failing. Just like everyone else. He just failed more then the other disciples. And when he did, Jesus used that to teach another lesson. That this was in God's plan is for sure, since God wrote it for us. He didn't make Peter sin, but through that sin God turn it for good through Jesus, to teach another lesson. God did not have it written so that we could judge Peter.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/11

Who is this Strong-axe.--?????
---Nana on 4/15/11

Donna, I don't see "Strongaxe" anywhere in this thread at all (I am not him, if that's what you were thinking).

It is obvious to me now that no one wants to address the "Incident at Antioch" in any substantial way (I'm not surprised that everyone is trying so hard to avoid this 'dirty little secret').

The world of believers is not ready to deal with the biggest secret in the world. Consider the matter of the "incident" over for now.

The Lord will bring it to your remembrance when He feels that you are ready to deal with it....IF you will ever choose to be ready (He will not give you more than you can handle).
---more_excellent_way on 4/15/11

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This is getting tiresome.
Item 1 and 2: what, aside from what is already in scripture, do you want by way of explanation?

Item 3 and 4: There is no evidence that Peter had any culpability in these incidents at all. Isn't it possible Peter tried to discourage people's undue adulation of him?
If Peter had been guilty of murder, don't you think it would have been mentioned somewhere?

The incident at Antioch has been discussed here and in many churches as well.

No need to judge Peter. Christ and the others corrected him when he was wrong, but accepted him as a disciple of the Lord. Sorry you have a problem with that.
---Donna66 on 4/14/11

About "the plan of God" ("that my name be proclaimed in all the earth", read Romans 9), it doesn't mean we should form our own personal modern devotion IN THE SAME WAY as Peter (we should ALWAYS ask ourselves "what do WE want for our own modern devotion?").

There's alot more to understanding God than meets the eye in scripture....(that's why we need to develop SPIRITUAL eyes to see).

If we choose to remain as a "vessel" in The Father's OLD TESTAMENT ways of "WRATH" (Romans 9:22) instead of become a vessel/receptor of God's 'MERCY in JESUS', then we will HAVE NO FREEDOM to choose (no free will) and then we will be like Pharaoh ("made for destruction").
---more_excellent_way on 4/14/11

Didn't have too. Jesus did by saying upon the rock I will build my chcuch. He was talking about Peter.
---Norman on 4/14/11

//1 Thessalonians 4:11
"mind your own affairs".

There are certain things in scripture meant for 2000 years ago and some meant for the common sense believer of TODAY. //

meanwhile, you seem to be grilling Peter at every angle for being a human before and after the finished work of Jesus and in and out of the Spirit.

that is most_excellent_hypocrisy
---aka on 4/14/11

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When are people gonna start taking responsibility for their actions and stop accrediting everything to "Gods plan"?!

He ALLOWS it! There is a HUGE difference! Predestining us to sin attacks God's nature. Allowing us to sin and still being in absolute control affirms his wisdom and power.

If man can be precognitive by evil spirits (Acts 16:16-19), why is it so hard for us to accept that God knows the future as well?

Sin is missing or falling short of the mark SET by God. If God has set the mark to man's failure, then NOONE HAS MISSED IT! None of us have "sinned". Your doctrine doesnt even use common sense.
---Jasheradan on 4/14/11

Most excellent, you are right that Peter was one of the most troubled disciple then everyone, with the exception of Judas.
But what you have to remember is that his denial was in the plan of God. Jesus knew what he would do, and he did for a reason that he didn't know. It was so that Jesus could complete his statements as He said, "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it." Mark 8:35. Peter did not want to loss his life at that time. If Peter had not denied Jesus three times, those statements by Jesus would need a purpose. In all cases of his troubles God had a purpose for each one. All in the order of God.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/11

Let's take inventory of all that Peter did,....

1) he was said to be "not on the side of God"....Mark addressed that.

2) Peter's explanation had to be made for that also.

3) The "Ananias death" explanation needed to be offered for that also.

4) that Peter allowed himself to be glorified instead of explanation was needed for that also in order that Peter's name remain untarnished.

Peter leading the disciples at the Council of Jerusalem ("Incident at Antioch") to accept "christianity" (the word "christianity" IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE) has really been AVOIDED (except for another blog that went WAY OFF TOPIC).

Excuses or innocent?
---more_excellent_way on 4/13/11

Donna66, I completely agree with you on your answers. In the case of Peter in Mark 8:33, we learn that the disciples still could not comprehend a dying Messiah (v. 30). Peter, as usual (v.29) expressed the thoughts of the rest of the 12 (v.33). His brash outburst expressed not only presumption and misunderstanding, but also deep love for Jesus. In a startling turnaround, Peter who had just been praised for being God's spokesman (Matt. 16:17-19), was then condemned as Satan's mouthpiece. Yet Jesus sacrificial death was God's plan (Acts 2:22,23, 4:27,28) and whoever opposed it was, wittingly or not, advocating Satan's work.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/11

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Exactly, scripture does not explain how to drive a car, nor would any explanation of how to bake bread in a hearth be useful or relevant. WE are baptized into JESUS.

1 Corinthians 10:2
"and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea".

WE were never led by a CLOUD or passed through a sea.

We are NOT Jews, nor are we part of Greek civilization (gentile unbelievers, NON JEWS)...

Galatians 3:28
"neither Jew nor Greek".

We are "TRUE worshippers" (John 4:23) that worship SPIRITUALLY (not PHYSICALLY as the Jews did) and IN TRUTH.

We live spiritually INSIDE the body of Jesus and have no gender (spirits have no gender...."neither male nor female").
---more_excellent_way on 4/12/11

Since I don't believe that Peter was the first "pope" or anything like it, I have no desire to "protect" him. Nor do I have any reason not to address "the incident at Antioch". Peter was wrong in eating with the gentiles all the while fearing the Jews opinion of him for doing so.
He could be called a "hypocrite" in modern terms. If he was a Judaizer to the gentiles that was wrong. Paul corrected him in front of everybody.

One thing about Peter...he took criticism well. Something that can be said of few people on these blogs.
---Donna66 on 4/12/11

Do you know what I see in Peter, and if everyone is honest, you will see it too..

I see a HUMAN BEING with all his flaws. AND I see Our Lord is so much bigger than our weaknesses.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/11

//There are certain things in scripture meant for 2000 years ago and some meant for the common sense believer of TODAY.//

That's a worthwhile point. May I add that certain things in scripture should be understood from the times and customs of the time, which is saying about the same thing a different way.

For a small example, communication between Rome and Palestine could take months instead of seconds.

Peter no doubt forgave himself and the rest of his life showed it, although it was probably after Jesus rose from the dead.
---Rod4Him on 4/12/11

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JOHN, I have been writing on this forum for years...and you think I have a denomination? (are you serious??).

Besides, it is no one's business. What do you think this scripture means?...

1 Thessalonians 4:11
"mind your own affairs".

There are certain things in scripture meant for 2000 years ago and some meant for the common sense believer of TODAY. The Lord lets us figure out what WE should understand for today (a PERSONAL common sense devotion). Most believers are satisfied being "ROBOTS of the BIBLE".

I have no "earthly source" for anything I write.

The whole "church" is scared to address the "Incident at Antioch" (protecting Peter).
---more_excellent_way on 4/12/11

"Mima just gave me what I jokingly call "a christian compliment" (deceptively a veiled insult....hypocrisy????)."
---more_excellent_way on 4/12/11

I see nothing veiled in what mima said. He flat out said your view of Peter is "crazy".

"What Denomination are you?"
John on 4/12/11

I bet 2 cents that the whole 'more_excellent-way' is a figment of someone's imagination or lack thereof.
---Nana on 4/12/11

Mima just gave me what I jokingly call "a christian compliment" (deceptively a veiled insult....hypocrisy????).

At least Donna is like SAUL the chief Pharisee (wrong, yet will undyingly defend the beliefs taught to them).

Donna, God will make you become a "PAUL", God is using your love and courage to "build" you for His purpose (it takes a "SAUL" to make a "PAUL").
---more_excellent_way on 4/12/11

What Denomination are you?
---John on 4/12/11

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Christianet is one of the best sites on the Internet. I would never have had any way of knowing what a crazy idea--more_excellent_way-- has about Peter.
---mima on 4/12/11

If you love Peter (most do), you will never be able to understand OBJECTIVE TRUTH.

We are to LOVE God ONLY/ONLY, not both God AND man (only have PEACEFUL REGARD for each other, no moral obligation to each other).

The apostate devotion is explained in Hebrews 6. The apostasy is not only HAVING THE WRONG FOUNDATION (a foundation of "repentance" instead of JESUS as our ONLY foundation), but also that the love we show to each other ("saints") does NOT SERVE GOD....yet, God will not OVERLOOK (forget) all of the "works" we did and ALL OF THE LOVE WE SHOWED to each other ("for HIS SAKE").

Hebrews 6:10
Verse from RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 4/12/11

My hero is Jesus. Peter was fallible without question, as everyone knows..But what lie was he told and by whom? I don't follow your "logic". Back it up with scripture. I can see no reason to believe in something that is not there in scripture.
---Donna66 on 4/11/11

More excellent way-- Oh,you are talking about the lie of Ananias and Sapphira? Do you think the Holy Spirit didn't know about it? How did Peter kill them? There is not a shred of evidence that he did.

If he committed murder, why was there no mention of it anywhere in scripture?
---Donna66 on 4/11/11

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It is clear that you simply do not want to see the objective truth about Peter.

You know very well who said this (biased point of view). Peter decided to BLAME the Holy Spirit for what Peter had control over.

Peter was LIED TO (meaning Peter was not told the truth).

Peter was not told the truth, therefore, Peter was lied to (true or false)......this is called "LOGIC".

Who's your spiritual hero anyway?...Peter or Jesus?
---more_excellent_way on 4/11/11

I agree with Donna and her line of reasoning.
---mima on 4/11/11

Most-excellent- way.
I said Judas was REMORSEFUL.Remorse is characterized by a sense of guilt for past wrongs, self-reproach.
PENITENT implies a desire to seek forgiveness. Did Judas seek forgiveness? Peter, by continuing to obey Jesus, showed himself to be PENITENT.

There is nothing in scripture implying that PETER himself caused the death of Ananias and his wife.. or to imply that Peter either used fear or glorified himself.
We are told in Acts 5 that by the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were wrought and the the people magnified them, not just Peter. You have expressed an opinion, a speculation. That's fine, but you cannot call it, as you do, TRUTH.
---Donna66 on 4/11/11

more_excellent_way, I totally disagree with you when you say: If it was the Holy Spirit who decided that Ananias/Sapphira must die, there would have been no reason for God's spirit to wait for Peter to confront either of them.

Acts Chapter 5:3 says, "Ananias why has satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?"

more excellent way, there's proof right there that it was the Holy Spirit Ananias lied to, not to Peter, so YOU are in error when you say they lied to Peter..unless you're right and scripture is wrong but I don't think so.
---Donna5535 on 4/11/11

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Hi, Donna . . . First, it looks like he wept. And, "godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted, but the sorrow of the world produces death," we have in 2 Corinthians 7:10. I'd say his sorrowing was more worldly, at first, but then God worked with Peter and corrected him . . . helping to confirm he was forgiven by reminding him of how Jesus said, "when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren." (in Luke 22:31-34) As we forgive others, I understand (Mark 11:25-26), we have satisfaction that we ourselves are forgiven (Luke 6:37).
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/11/11

Judas was not penitent???? He hung himself (THAT is PENITENT,...JUstice is JUdgement reward or penalty).

Peter went on to serve MAN, not God....
Mark 8:33 "you are not on the side of GOD"....(or did The Lord misunderstand Peter and make a mistake about who Peter served?).

Peter ALLOWED the people to glorify PETER instead of God.

Peter didn't like being lied to, so this THREE TIME DENIER of Jesus judged harshly and caused the deaths of two people that loved God but made a simple mistake in judgement (have you ever used bad judgement?...did God kill you for that?).

At the "Incident at Antioch", Peter led the disciples AWAY from grace.

"TRUTH" is often uncomfortable.
---more_excellent_way on 4/11/11

I may be wrong, but I think tears from a hardened fisherman, meant more than that he just "noticed" his sin. We do not know from scripture if he "failed to serve himself consequences" or not. But He continued to follow Christ after His resurrection... and even after Christ was ascended and Christians were being persecuted.

Judas was not penitent. He was remorseful. There is a difference. He never went back to Jesus (or to the other disciples) to try to make things right. Penitence seeks restore a damaged relationship.
---Donna66 on 4/10/11

Peter noticed his mistake, but was not penitent...Judas was penitent, but Peter never served himself consequences/justice (penalty).

In devotion, JESUS is the hero, no apostle/disciple, minister or churchgoer can or should even attempt or desire to compete with Jesus.
---more_excellent_way on 4/10/11

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more excellent way---
Why do YOU think Peter wept as soon as he realized he had betrayed Jesus EXACTLY as Jesus said he would?
---Donna66 on 4/9/11

If it was the Holy Spirit who decided that Ananias/Sapphira must die, there would have been no reason for God's spirit to wait for Peter to confront either of them.

Acts 5:8 "Tell me whether you sold the land for so much." And she said, "Yes, for so much." (this is a lie to PETER, not the Spirit).

Are you also going to accuse the Holy Spirit of killing Judas?.

"Weeping" is not PENITENT/contrition (good word choice Cluny).

Today's believers either use corrupted bibles or NO BIBLE AT ALL.....WHERE did Peter's conscience ever "beat himself" torment him?

You must SPEAK TRUTH in order to LOVE it (not LIKE IT). "LOVE the truth and so BE SAVED" 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
---more_excellent_way on 4/8/11

Interesting--where did you hear about him walking on glass and hot coals?
---Donna66 on 4/8/11

Donna5535, Yes, Peter beat himself for years, walked on glass and hot coals.

Donna5535, Peter KNEW Jesus forgave him when Jesus said Feed my sheep. We don't have to show remorse because we can't forgive ourselves. LACK of Faith is what won't let you forgive yourself even though you KNOW you have been forgiven.

We are to Forget the things behind and press on....
---kathr4453 on 4/8/11

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God never calls us to remorse from a sin. He calls us to repent and run away. Remorse is us staying in that sin and feeling guilty of that sin. Jesus asked Peter 3 times do you love me. This was Peter's repentance. Jesus freed Peter from the sin. God/Jesus wants us to be free not trapped by sin. Repentance is not a formula.
//more excellent way - Peter can control the HS to kill Ananais and his wife? impossible
---Scott on 4/8/11

More excellent way-- Scripture clearly shows Peter's remorse at his denial of Jesus.

Mar 14:72 the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

But how does scripture show that Peter gained followers by using fear and glorified himself so that others wanted his "shadow to fall upon them"?
The response of the people is clear from scripture, but nothing indicates Peter encouraged this.
---Donna_Smith on 4/8/11

//Peter also misused the powers of the Holy Spirit to kill Ananias and his wife
---more_excellent_way on 4/8/11//

more_excellent_way, I have the deepest respect for your walk with the Lord, this is the first time I'm hearing that Peter killed Ananias and his wife. I actually thought the Holy Spirit did that Himself.
"And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost."

How do you see that as Peter misuing his Power of the Holy Spirit and killing them?
---Donna5535 on 4/8/11

Cluny, was it REALLY because he felt remorse for betraying Jesus that Judas hanged himself? Or was it because he knew he was going to hell when he died? Jesus said, "it would have been better if he hadn't been born."
---Donna5535 on 4/8/11

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Peter did not have to forgive himself as he was already forgiven, was Peter remorseful I feel certain he was but no remorse was required. Peter's remorse was Peter's doing(human feelings) when dealing with God we should recognize God's ways are far and away beyond our understanding or knowledge. God says there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ. Let us take him at his word.
---mima on 4/8/11

Forgiveness is a divine act of God. To say Peter forgave himself is to say he didn't need to repent to God and seek forgiveness from Him because we all sin against the law giver, who's God.

Repentance to God must come with faith (and that we know is a gift from God). Because without faith, no one can please God. The Christian repentance to God is because they have been born of the Spirit and it is the Spirit that convicts you that you have sin against God.

For the Christian, repentance to God is unto death in the flesh. That's how long it will take.
---christan on 4/8/11

I think the word you all are looking for is "contrition".

Judas was so filled with remorse that he hanged himself.
---Cluny on 4/8/11

At least Judas showed remorse AND self-judgement (a form of "repentance"?) for his betrayal, but scripture never indicates that Peter had any remorse for his betrayal.

Peter denied Christ THREE times, Peter also misused the powers of the Holy Spirit to kill Ananias and his wife (harsh judgement especially considering his 3 time denial). In Acts 5, Peter gained followers by using fear and glorified himself so that others wanted his "shadow to fall upon them".

No, Peter never showed or felt remorse. Jesus characterized Peter well when He said....

"you are not on the side of God" (Mark 8:33).

Peter led the disciples at "THE INCIDENT AT ANTIOCH" (look it up at wikipedia).
---more_excellent_way on 4/8/11

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//and no remorse at all was required...mima on 4/8/11.

mima, I think remorse was indeed required, if not, then it was needed. I saw the movie Jesus of Nazareth and I think that movie depicts Peter's sorry very well. Think about this, if you were in Peter's shoes, wouldn't you be so deeply grieved that you denied knowing him, that you grieved over that?
---Donna5535 on 4/8/11

I do not know about Peter but I know about Jesus Jesus immediately forgave Peter and no remorse at all was required. A question like this brings to mind the awesome grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. Because his grace and love cover a multitude of sins, sins of saved are forgiven before they occur.
A fact that blows with the minds of those who do not believe in or have any concept of God's grace. And without enlightening from the Spirit this understanding is impossible.
---mima on 4/8/11

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