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When Will Christ Return

It's April of 2011, and Jesus hasn't returned yet. Why is he stalling? LOL for lack of a better word. What else has to happen in order for those trumpets to be blown and Jesus to return?

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Believing Satan's Lie... that we will be like God (Christ) is the great apostasy! Absolutely nowhere in scripture does Jesus say that we can be LIKE him! However, he did promise many times that we would be WITH him... (Luke 23:43)(John 12:26)(John 14:3)(John 17:24)(1Thes 4:17)

Christ is GOD! WE are not! (Re 21:1-7) Christ is HOLY! WE are not! (Re 15:4)
---Lutherist on 4/20/11


Exactly, the man of perdition Is named only one other place. So if we look at John 6, where Jesus compares Judas to those who walked away saying , this is too hard( go back and read that whole chapter)we get a perfect insight into this warning.

To eat His flesh and drink His blood is what they walked away from...I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, is what they said was too hard.

What should we understand from that today.....many deny the cross, redemption through the cross, AND THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS. Justification = Blood

Sanctification= the fellowship of His Sufferings

Glorification = not only joint heirs, but we will be like Him.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/11

One delusion is believing you are elect and can forgoe Justification, sanctification..

Another delusion is believing there are no warnings to Christians to stay away from false teachers. That's totally delusional.

But to identify further those who walked away. you see, they wanted to make Jesus KING right then, just as Judas did. They faialed to understand Christ must first die and rise again. ( look at John 6 at the beginning...why did Jesus leave after first feeding them?

When Jesus reigns as King for 1000 years it will be a time of tremendous prosperity. But Judas as well as the others didn't believe Jesus fit the bill as their King...a carpenters son. He will fit the bill at His second coming.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/11

Rhonda, so what are you really saying? when you said:

"this is why fairy tale of heaven and the fairy tale of being "beemed up to heaven" at the end of age is so cozy ...lies of false ministers to practice lawlessness and no responsibility all in name of a christ"

What is right to you? And why is everyone wrong? You did a lot of talking but cannot get your point. Since you said this about others, what do you think is going to happen and why? Why don't you teach us Rhonda. Anyone can complain, but what are you complaining about?
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

prophecy must be fulfilled before Christ returns to set up Gods Kingdom on Earth

otherwise 1/3 of Holy Scripture would be a lie because 1/3 of Scripture is prophecy of which most has not occurred YET

The Father in Heavens timing is not mortal mans timing further Christ is not "stalling" seeing even HE stated He does not know the time

we are not here to be swept away by Christ at the end of the age ...we are here to learn grow and overcome self satan and the world

this is why fairy tale of heaven and the fairy tale of being "beemed up to heaven" at the end of age is so cozy ...lies of false ministers to practice lawlessness and no responsibility all in name of a christ 2Corin 4:11
---Rhonda on 4/19/11

HELLO! (2Thessalonians 2:1-12) describs the APOSTATE CHRISTIAN, not Antichrist!

"Son of Perdition" is only found in one other place, and Jesus uses it to describe Judas, the disciple who FELL AWAY (John 17:12). Therefore, the son of perdition describes the APOSTATE CHRISTIAN. The person who practices lawlessness, who believes that he is God's holy equal, who refuses to believe "the truth so as to be saved", and the person, to whom God will send a delusion to believe the LIE, is the APOSTATE CHRISTIAN!

The Lie that dwells in Satan's heart is the same Lie that dwells in the heart of the Apostate Christian. "I will ascend to Heaven, and when we get there, we will be just like Christ" (Isa 14:12-14).
---Lutherist on 4/19/11

Kathr, if you believe what you just said,

"Yea, if you don't have discernment won't have any then and will believe the lie."

Why is it that you have no discernment? I have a really good idea why? Because you refuse to walk under the light, you walk in the flesh everyday. And as long as you do, light cannot come into darkness. Here "light" refers to understanding. The light of Scripture. The God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known. Such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can be known only as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit through the Word.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

James L 1:, there is no contradictions in Scripture. Lets begin with lost (natural) man. They cannot see, hear, are comprehend the spiritual things of God. They are foolishness to him, because they love darkness rather then Light. While in that state, he needs for God to give him those abilities for him to ever come to Christ. "He came to His own, and His own (people) did not receive Him, But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, (who were these people that received Him?) who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" John 1:11-13.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

Interestingly, in 2 Thess the delusion is believing the LIE that one who is going to claim to be Christ many will actually believe he is and bow down and worship him, taking his mark.

The fact that many refuse to bow down and worship man like Joseph Smith, John Calvin, etc, NOW, show that even if perchance the Church is still here when the MAN of perdition come, we've already been exercised to discern truth from the Liars.

Yea, if you don't have discernment won't have any then and will believe the lie.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/11

One of the reasons many will believe the man of perdition is Christ, is because they don't believe in the translation of the Church, regardless of when that moment comes. That is what the great falling away is. They've fallen away from the very foundational truths of scripture, re: redemption throuhg the Blood, forgivness through Justification.

Without those foundational truths, all it is is false to begin with, and the end will be a disaster for them.

They will be deluded into believing the they are suffering for Christ, when in fact they are receiving God's Wrath.

They will hate the two witnesses, believing they are from the devil, just as you see this display here on line.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/11

Jasheradan, you always want to speak about me. Why not Scripture? I am humble, and do love everyone, I pray for everyone each day. I cannot admit I'm wrong because if I was, I would be corrected by Scripture. For Scripture is final authority. I do admit the majority of so call Christians do not know the Nature, character and attributes of God. If they did, their theology would not be so corrupt. That does not mean they are not saved. It means they don't study with one purpose in mind. To learn the Truth. If they had a God centered theology, they would never compromise the deity and attributes of God with their answers. Men centered theology says, "God cannot" attitude. Or that He is not in control, men and the devil are.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

James 2: Those who are born of God can see, hear and comprehend the spiritual things of the Truth of the gospel. This light comes to them through the Word of God. They have not committed their lives to Christ yet, but are now able to receive Him as Lord. Through this new life, they are able to repent and ask for forgiveness for what they have done, something they never felt before they were born of God. Light has to come to them through the word of God. And when they hear the gospel this time, they will receive faith to believe the truth concerning the works of Christ on the Cross. Otherwise they will never believe. It is all of God. Man on his own, can never make light for himself.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

Lutherist, great points on the Second Coming. I believe the misunderstanding is a little word,"coming" in Matt. 24:3. The original Greek word there is, "Parousia" That small word is of very important. Concerning false views, we cannot miss that little word, Jesus plainly warned that some will mistakenly promote a "secret coming" and as we can see this will be the most powerful delusion which only God's faithful elect will avoid. 2 Thess. 2:1-3, we are again told concerning the "Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" again the word "Parousia" is used. For that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition"
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

Mark, if I hold a similar doctrine as Kathr, that does not mean Im Kathr. You are giving in to paranoia now. Thats a sign of fear. A man with a sound doctrine and full of the Holy Ghost would not have that type of fear in him.

If it truly is the truth you seek to spread and you are truly a humble man of God who loves everyone here, you would also be willing to admit you *may* have misinterpreted some scriptures rather than assuming other brothers and sisters in Christ who disagree with you dont know their own Savior. Meekness is also a fruit of the Spirit.
---Jasheradan on 4/18/11

No Kathr, You should beg for mercy for your sins so that you can come to Christ. ---Mark_V. on 4/17/11

MarkV now you are contradicting yourself. Beg for mercy SO THAT we can come to Christ. How does that fit in with having to be made alive to Christ, and THEN begging for mercy.

Justification is when my sin is forgiven and washed away. If that happens through faith FIRST, why am I begging for forgivness?

What I come to IS GOD and GOD imputes the righteousness of Christ to me. And God gave the GIFT of HIS SON. We don't beg for gifts, we say Thank you.

And, markv, i'm not interested in babytalk about the New Birth. I stay with scripture and God my Father has already explained it to me...and not in babytalk.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/11

Dave J-

You are right... the wrath of God is not poured out until the Bowl Judgments (Re 16:1) After the Rapture of the Saints at the Seventh, Last Trumpet (1 Cor 15:52).

As to Jesus' return. It will not happen until the APOSTASY comes first (2 Thes 2:3). As per my previous posting, the APOSTASY is a turning away from grace and mercy and adoption into Christ's family, in favor of trusting Satan and actually believing that we can measure up to God's standard of holiness.

This is the Satanic Lie of "Christlikeness" that most Christians are actually striving for. God Help those who actually believe that salvation is all about becoming as holy as Christ!
---Lutherist on 4/18/11

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While discussing the rapture and Christs coming in several places with many people, I have discovered that there is little understanding that the tribulation caused by the beast and the wrath of God are two separate periods of time. Christians are assured that they will escape the wrath of God. But many scriptures, with which most of you are familiar, promise the beast of Revelation will seriously trouble, overcome and cause havoc with the saints. This makes it possible that the rapture occurs after the tribulation and before the wrath of God is poured out on the kingdom of the beast and his followers.
---Dave_J on 4/18/11

Jesus says, "there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Matthew 24:21) And then Jesus says He will come "Immediately after the tribulation of those days" > please read Matthew 24:29-31. So, He will come after the greatest tribulation that ever will be on this earth.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/18/11

Because Adam and Eve willfully ate from the Tree of God's Judgment, all those born unto their family line were also required to take this impossible test of Godlike holiness. Every human being fails this test! The entire human race was destined for judgment, death, and eternal punishment.

Thats why God had to become one of us. So He could pass this impossible test for us, and start a new family line free of this curse. When we believe in Jesus, were adopted into his family, and all ties to Adams cursed family line are cut. (Ro 8:15)(Ga 4:5)(Eph 1:5) When an adoption is finalized, a new birth certificate is issued this is the NEW BIRTH! This is what Jesus meant by being BORN AGAIN!
---Lutherist on 4/18/11

Richard, in John 14:9 and 14:7 you will notice that Jesus said,

"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also, and from now on you know Him and have seen Him"

They know God because they had come to know Christ in His ministry, and soon in His death and resurrection. To know Him is to know God. This constant emphasis on Jesus as God incarnate is unmistakably clear in this gospel (v. 11, 1:1-3, 14, 17, 18, 5:10-23, 26, 8:58, 9:35, 10:30, 38, 12:41, 17:1-5, 20:28).
In Deity He is God just like the Father and the Holy Spirit. But not in the flesh. The flesh had to go through all kinds of trials and suffer death. Jesus flesh was transformed into a glorified body at the resurrection.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/11

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Jesheradan, you sound more like Kathr everyday. And it seems as if I am answering her when I answer you. As if the two of you are one. But I will answer you anyway.
I have answered you very kindly. I've given you Scripture on my answers. I do not want to change who you are, because that is not my goal. My goal is to defend the Truth no matter what you say. I'm not here so that people can love me, if they are saved, they should love me already. If they don't, it is there problem not mine. I love everyone I answer to. I assume that they are saved already. If they are not, it's not my fault. I can only answer for myself. Discussing Scripture is wonderful, when those discussing don't get personal and lie about the other.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/11

RichardC-- Satan and his angels fell from Heaven(Eze 28:16) long before Christ went to the cross. Jesus, himself, said (Luke 10:18) I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Satan has access to Heaven, where he accuses Gods people before the throne (Job 1:6-12). But Christ's death/resurrection disarmed Satan's angels so we may have victory. And it gave us an advocate in Heaven.

Rev 20 tells of a future fall of Satan, ever further...from earth to the bottomless pit and finally the lake of fire and brimstone.
---Donna66 on 4/17/11

//Let me explain it to you as I would the children at church//MarkV

You will never get anyone to listen to you if you can't debate without being insulting.

When you pick someone to teach as a child, make sure they arent more knowledgable of scripture than you are. That would be a good start. She's got you whooped.
---Jasheradan on 4/17/11

DONNA 66 - 4/4/11 - No longer dwell - At the time when Matthew 24:36 was said the angels that sin were in heaven, And satan had access there too.It was not till Christ die at the cross they were kick out, So if it is satan that does not know the time then most likly are these angels in Matthew 24. REFER - REVELATION 12: 5 - 11 ( over came by blood of the lamb)

MARKV - Going over your verses - But the bottom line here is Jesus is also is the father - John 14:9 - He telling that to Philip
I would need to recheck this but nor the son in MARK 13:32 in hebrew in spell only one other place in the bible like that,In 2 THESSALONIANS 2:3 - son of perdition.
---RICHARDC on 4/17/11

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Kathr, as usual you apply what I said about rebirth, and turned it around to apply it to death. It was just an example of the new life, not those who are dead. It was not a literal statement from Scripture, just an example to teach you, but you prefer to not be taught and as usual try to find fault. Your rejection of the Truth is so strong that it will take a supernatural act of God to direct you to God's Truth. And here again I'm not say you are not saved, but that you refuse to learn the good things about God, and look for excuses to justify what you say. When a person is born of the Spirit others will be able to see the change, in my opinion, you have not changed for the last three years. Somewhere in time you decided to take the wrong road.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/11

markV, am I to understand that you see all as those in a womb who cannot see or hear, but only SOME in the womb are fortunate to come out of the womb to be born so they can see and hear?

OK, now with your concept of the New Birth, are all those who are still in the womb, who cannot hear or see, going to die in the womb, who aren't fortunate enough to be born? So somewhere there is this big womb floating around and only those fortunate ones God gets out His Forcepts and yanks this one ot that one out. Now I uderstand where the brain damage began.

So the rest just die in the womb?

MarkV, That's not what scripture teaches.

That's only what you think it is.

You're wrong.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/11

Kathr part 2: When that event happens, you cannot mistake it. It is a complete change in our disposition. You will feel the need for Christ, the need to repent and ask for forgiveness, a need to ask Him into your life, and you will want to tell everyone, and you will not be able to sleep sometimes because of how you feel. Where before you loved to go to parties, do the world things, now you want to read the Bible, tell others about how you feel. That is the change that happens to all who are born of God.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11

\\Well, for those IN CHRIST who have ears to hear and eyes to see, Zechariah 14:1-9 is about the return of the King...Matthew 24-25 is Parallel to Zech 12-14. Matt 25 is about the King when He sits on His throne and judges between sheep and goat.\\

And for those who have the ears to hear and eyes to see and mind to understand the Word of God, this happens right after the Rapture. They are so close, they are two phases of the same event.

Of course, those of itching ears who want to believe the fable of a pre-trib rapture will never understand this truth.
---Cluny on 4/16/11

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Kathr, what a person needs is eyes to see and ears to hear and a new heart so that he can understand the things of God who is Spirit. And that comes through rebirth. Let me explain it to you as I would the children at church.
Rebirth is just like a physical birth, the baby in the womb cannot see, does not hear clearly, and only understands what is in the womb. When he is born and comes out, he begins to hear, and his eyes begin to see the light and begins to understand his surroundings. So it is with one who is born of God. People who are lost can see but not spiritual things. They hear, but only the things of the world. They read the Bible but do not understand. They need to be born of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11

I don't think you're understanding her, MarkV. It seems shes saying that once a man places his faith in Jesus Christ he is JUSTIFIED by Christ's blood and then "born again" of the Holy Spirit. What she teaches in Biblical.

Just because the Holy Spirit leads a man to Christ doesn't mean that man will accept what the Spirit is teaching him.

If men couldn't resist the calling of the Holy Spirit, none of the warnings in scripture about men hardening their hearts would be necessary. You simply can't ignore half of the new testament because it doesn't fit into what you already believe.
---Jasheradan on 4/16/11

Well, for those IN CHRIST who have ears to hear and eyes to see, Zechariah 14:1-9 is about the return of the King...Matthew 24-25 is Parallel to Zech 12-14. Matt 25 is about the King when He sits on His throne and judges between sheep and goat. That judgement is not the great white throne Judgement. Also the very end of Zech 14, is a WARNING to the nations who refuse to obey during Jesus reign....That won't happen in the new heaven and earth.

So what you need is eyes to see and a little common sense.

Am I concerned with those who think they have eyes to SEE but don't? Yes. Because what they thought they were given eyes to see to begin with was a lie, and everything after that too is a lie.

It's sad, very very sad.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/11

Jesheradan, you said

"any fool who thinks he is elect and justified before coming to Christ is in a world of surprise at the judgment"

Did you not read that the person who said that was Kathr?

"Kathr mentioned that a person had to be justified first before been born again"

I said, you had to be born again before you could be justified through Christ by faith. You now are calling her a fool and in a great world of surprise on judgment day. The elect are not justified before coming to Christ, they are made alive to Christ (from a natural carnal person to a spiritual person) born of the Spirit, so that they can be justified through faith in Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11

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Nor the Son - From Church to Theologain to the transltors have speculated that Son was Jesus MATTHEW 24:36 - It can not be, Transltors went so far as capitalizing the S in SON ( The original Bible was written lower case letters.)
to say Christ Does not Know is like saying JESUS is not GOD.---RICHARDC on 4/10/11
In Matthew 3:17 and17:5 God called Jesus His" beloved Son"

RichardC-- I've never seen "son" used in connection with the Father that way to mean... Satan. Very odd.
---Donna66 on 4/11/11
In Job 1:6 KJV Satan is called a son of God
---dowanor on 4/15/11

Jesheradan, I've answered both of you cause both of you are wrong? If you give Scripture and are wrong, and I see it, I correct you with Scripture. If you give your opinion, outside of Scripture, it means nothing towards Scripture. Like the ones you have of me. That is only your feelings, and what is in your heart. As I said to Kathr, your opinions are only opinions not fact. And when you die, your will take your opinions with you, the Truth will remain forever.
Now, If you believe that "the day of the Lord" "is not" the same as "the day of Christ" then it is only your opinion but not fact. For "The Lord" is "Jesus Christ," and that is fact (Truth).
---Mark_V. on 4/15/11

\\"The Gathering of the Saints AKA Rapture/ Translation, is not the 2nd Coming."\\

Yes, it is.

It's all one event.

There's no such thing as a pre- or mid-trib rapture.
---Cluny on 4/15/11

//What else has to happen in order for those trumpets to be blown and Jesus to return?//

now, that we have walked all over Revelations to try to look forward, maybe we can use witness from the past.

Gen 18:23 Then Abraham drew near and said, "Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked?
Gen 18:25 Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?"

Give the last ten a chance.
---aka on 4/15/11

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Jasheradan--// MarkV ONLY seems to go after you, Kathr//? Really?

Didn't you notice that he just directed posts to anon and RichardC on this blog... and he didn't agree with them either? But they don't make the issue something personal between them and him, as Kathr4453 does. That's probably why their dialogue contains less hostility. And why their posts are more easily forgotten.
---Donna66 on 4/15/11

I have noticed he only seems to go after you, Kathr. Possibly because your words cause him the most conviction.

Any fool who thinks he is elect and justified before coming to Jesus Christ is in for a world of surprise at the judgement.

Outside of Christ, we are nothing but children of wrath!

Jesus Christ is our passover.
---Jasheradan on 4/15/11

MarkV, again you need to be reminded that many do believe in a rapture, and also know the Second coming is not the Rapture.

You may correct many here if you like. No skin off my teeth.

You just don't have the guts to CORRECT many here or talk to them the way you talk to me.

You can address for starters,
Elder and mima.

Start with Elder first markV...

Let's see you CORRECT HIM!
---kathr4453 on 4/15/11

Kathr, again you need correction. I don't know where you come out with what you say but it is not in Scripture. Zechariah mentions nothing about the Second Coming. Jesus Second Coming is to gather His Church which consist of all, from every nation, who are now "One" in Christ. He does not come to pick up the wicked. Israel must first repent, in order to meet the demands of God.
Second you say:

"The Gathering of the Saints AKA Rapture/ Translation, is not the 2nd Coming."

Now you suggest He does not come to gather His Church. And if He comes, you do not call it "coming." Don't tell anyone He came. The Truth is, when He comes, everyone will know.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/11

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Jesus answers the same question in Acts 1...only the Father knows when.

Acts 1:6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The 2nd Coming of Christ is to restore the Kingdom to Israel...Zechariah 12-14!!!

The Gathering of the Saints AKA Rapture/ Translation, is not the 2nd Coming.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11

RichardC -- Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. This was spoken by Jesus himself. And it specifically identifies the angels as the "angels of heaven" (where, of course, the angels corrupted by Satan, no longer dwell.)

None of the verses preceding or following this passage speak of wicked angels!

I don't know of anybody reading this chapter, without some preconceived notion about Satan and his angels, who could find them in the 36th verse.
---Donna66 on 4/14/11

Richard, Larry is correct. Of course Jesus did not cease being God or divest Himself of Divine attributes in order to become man. Rather, He took on a human nature (an addition, not a subtraction), and submitted the use of His Divine attributes to the will of the Father (John 5:19,30, 8:28, Phil. 2:5-8). Therefore there were times when His Omniscience was on display (Matt. 9:4, John 2:24,25, 4:17,18, 11:11-14, 16:30) and other times when it was veiled by His humanity in accordance with the Father's will (Mark 13:32). Christ was therefore subject to the normal process of human growth, intellectually, physically, spiritually, and socially (Mark 13:32).
---Mark_V. on 4/14/11

LARRY 4/12/11 JESUS grew in wisdom? - CHRIST never
Stop being God at any time. To say Jesus does not Know the time, is like saying Jesus is not GOD.The son in MATTHEW 24:36 is most likely the son of perdition, he's the one that didn't know the time.

NOR the Angels - This verse was said around the the angels that sin were case out of Heaven, So this part of the verse most likely refers to them.

2 PETER 2:4 For if God spare the angels that sinned,but case them down to hell and delivered them into chains of be reserved for judgment.
---RICHARDC on 4/13/11

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//The bridesmaids went out to meet the bridegroom around 1844. This should sound familiar to some of you.//

Sounds like 7th day Adventists, and the JW's said 1917, I think, and Harold Camping will probably say the same in a month.
---Rod4Him on 4/13/11

In 2 Thesselonians, it says the Day of the Lord,(in all original manuscripts) not Day of Christ, is at hand."The Day of the Lord" = Wrath, The Day of Christ, = Rapture. The Rapture is not a day AT HAND, but will be a moment, in the twinkling of a eye, and that won't shake any Christians.

The Day of God's WRATH, would begin the last 3 1/2 years of the 7 years of Trib, when in fact the beast will be revealed, of which the Church is saved from WRATH through Him. That is what Paul is comforting them about. We've already been promised in 1st Thess 4, we won't be here.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/11

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Joel 1:15
Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come
---kathr4453 on 4/13/11

anon, there is only one Second coming, not two. If there were two others, Scripture would have said the Second Coming, and the Third Coming.
The reason He does not come yet, is because not all of the elect have been born or come to Christ yet. The elect are those who will be saved.
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is long-suffering toward "us" the ( saved, and the elect, those who will be saved) not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance"
The "any" must refer to those whom the Lord has chosen and will call to complete the redeemed. Since the whole passage is about God's destroying the wicked (v.6).
---Mark_V. on 4/13/11

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RichardC, Donna is correct. Though its actually Mark 13:32 where the "son" is mentioned. In Matthew 24:36 Christ says nor angels but my Father only.
Just because we don't understand it does not mean its not possible for the Father only to have knowledge. Remember Jesus also had a human nature otherwise Luke 2:52 would note be possible, "Jesus grew in wisdom and stature."
---larry on 4/12/11

Jesus knows the time. Read Rev. 1:1, where God gives Jesus the message contained in the book of Revelation to reveal to His servants (the 144,000).

Now read the parable about the 10 bridesmaids in Matt. 25. Do you see the delay in verse 5? The bridemaids thought that they were the bride and they went out to meet their bridegroom but forgot to get the bride ready. All of them have fallen asleep but a few of them are waking up now and realizing who they really are.

The bridesmaids went out to meet the bridegroom around 1844. This should sound familiar to some of you.
---barb on 4/12/11

In one month according to Harold Camping.
---Rod4Him on 4/11/11

The Bible tells us that the Gospel of Jesus Christ must be preached to all nations or people in the earth, before He returns. There are still many who have not been reached. Consider what you can do to help by supporting missions work, Christian programming that broadcasts to other nations through television and internet, or if you are able and are called, to go and help spread the Gospel. I don't know about you, but I am ready for Him to come! May His Favor fall on you! :)
---nancy5347 on 4/11/11

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The 'man of sin' must be revealed! (2 Thess. 2:2-4) "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." For order of events read Mt.24. Study it man! Nothing more exciting!
---Thusfar on 4/11/11

RichardC-- I've never seen "son" used in connection with the Father that way to mean... Satan. Very odd.
---Donna66 on 4/11/11

anon, as much as I love the Lord and know He can come for His Church any minute, being persecuted and betrayed is not a reason to want Jesus to come so you can escape any uncomfortable time we have here. Christians are betrayed and persecuted teh moment they are we don't escape that. What we do escape is God's WRATH. Something totally different than persecution and betrayal.

There are so many still lost who need to hear the Gospel. I'm willing to stay no matter what until the Lord comes, even if I die first being persecuted and betrayed.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/11

DONNA66 - IN MATTHEW 24:38 It says - nor the son - it Does not say CHRIST or JESUS - CHRIST is not the only son in the BIBLE! This verse is like saying are you paying attention, every body thinks it's CHRIST because it says son. BUT IT CAN'T BE - Because Father and son are ONE and the same. READ down on this blog, I wrote The verses down. To say JESUS doesn't know.
is like saying CHRIST is not GOD.

JOB 24,1 Since times are not hidden from the almighty, Why do those who know him see not his days.
---RICHARDC on 4/11/11

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RichardC-- It MIGHT seem foolish
to say that Jesus doesn't know...except that the Bible tells us He doesn't.
Mat.24:36 " No one knows about that day or hour ,not even the angles in heaven,nor the son,but only the Father"
---Donna66 on 4/11/11

God is not stalling, so repent for your sin in speaking against God.
You've got a lot to learn about God who does not operate in the dimensions of time or space, and even if he did who are you to ever hold him accountable?
Praise him for the season of the Gentiles and get back to job one.
---larry on 4/10/11

DOWANOR 4/9/11 - Nor the Son - From Church to Theologain to the transltors have speculated that Son was Jesus MATTHEW 24:36 - It can not be, Transltors went so far as capitalizing the S in SON ( The original Bible was written lower case letters.)
to say Christ Does not Know is like saying JESUS is not GOD.

JOHN 14,9 JESUS said to him, Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not know me Philip? He who has seen ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER:so how can you say, Show us the Father.

The other possibilty is satan is the one who doesn't Know the time. satan is also called the son - ISAIAH 14,9 -
---RICHARDC on 4/10/11

To add to my last post, the Bible says we can know the SEASONS. The Bible says Christ will return with the sound of the TRUMPET - this refers to the FEAST OF TRUMPETS (Rosh Hashanah) during the Fall time (September/October on our calendar) - although NO one NOT even Christ knows the day or hour. So yes, September/October will be Christ's return - date and time unknown.
---Leslie on 4/9/11

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( CHRIST has to Know the time because JESUS is GOD and GOD is JESUS ---RICHARDC

Mat.24:36 " No one knows about that day or hour ,not even the angles in heaven,nor the son,but only the Father" (NIV)
Did Jesus lie ?
---dowanor on 4/9/11

CANDICE 4/8/11 - JESUS doesn't know the time of his return GOD only knows the time? ( CHRIST has to Know the time because JESUS is GOD and GOD is JESUS.

JOHN 10:30 I and my FATHER are ONE.


DEUTERONOMY 4:39 Therfore know this day, and condsider it in your heart, that the LORD HIMSELF is GOD in HEAVEN above and on the earth beneath, there is no other.

PHILIPPIANS 2,11 And that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD,to the Glory of GOD the FATHER,

EPHESIANS 4:5 ONE LORD, one baptism.

PSALM 144:15 Happy are the people who are in such a state, Happy are the people whose GOD is the LORD.
---RICHARDC on 4/9/11

There is NOTHING delaying the return of Christ, except for Him awaiting the Father's signal for Him to return to take His Bride out of here. It could happen any moment. Are you ready?
---tommy3007 on 4/8/11

My wife and I were strolling down Hollywood Boulevard today and we say a guy carrying a sign saying the world would end in 23 days. So now I know and won't have to wonder any more.
---John.usa on 4/8/11

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---JOhn on 4/8/11

Jesus doesn't know the time of his return, God only knows the time.
---candice on 4/8/11

anon -- I love Him too. And I also have loved ones in Heaven waiting. I'm longing to see them, since I still miss their company a lot. I UNDERSTAND what you mean.

But there are people I'm praying for, and I know of other people who are still praying for their loved ones, to come to a knowledge of the Savior. If it takes a few more weeks...or months... or even years, I guess it's OK. My future is secure. Theirs is not.
---Donna66 on 4/8/11

Probably because the event is classified Top Sacred YHWY Eyes Only. Not even Christ is cleared for when he is going to get TDY orders back to Earth.

This of course is a little levity. But it explains the answer fully. God the father knows, Christ doesn't know. And God will send Christ when God is good and ready to send him again.
---Blogger9211 on 4/8/11

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No one knows when Christ will return, not even Christ. Matthew 24:36 (GW) No one knows when that day or hour will come. Even the angels in heaven and the Son don't know. Only the Father knows.

Why is He stalling? Here's the answer: 2 Peter 3:9 (Darby) [The] Lord does not delay his promise, as some account of delay, but is longsuffering towards you, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
---wivv on 4/8/11

my friend accepted Jesus last month that is why God has waited. So that more people will know him and belong to him.
---Scott on 4/8/11

Is there a particular reason why you are expecting Him sooner?
---Peter on 4/8/11

Yes there is a reason. #1 I love Him and want to meet Father God, and Jesus. #2 I have three children in heaven and #3 I cannot wait to be there living with Jesus and God and meeting King David and all the nice fellowship I will have up there. It beat the persecution and betrayals I have down here, you know?
---anon on 4/8/11

Do NOT believe people when they say Jesus will return on such and such a date and time - the Bible says NO one knows the day or hour NOT even the Son of Man (Jesus). God (the Father) will tell Jesus (the Son) before He tells us, and the Bible says NOT even Jesus (the Son) knows. The Bible says He will come like a theif in the night, so be ready at ALL times. The Bible says to watch Israel, and that will be the sign.
---Leslie on 4/8/11

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Which time are you referring too. One-time he is returning in the clouds to call his church out. The next time he is returning physically to earth to set up the thousand year rule. So which are you talking about?
---mima on 4/8/11

Jesus will return at the Father's appointed time, just like He said in the Gospels.
---Cluny on 4/8/11

Is there a particular reason why you are expecting Him sooner?

Indeed, a lot of the things listed in the Bible have occurred or are occurring

But that in itself may only tell us that it is possible Jesus may return, not that He will soon
---Peter on 4/8/11

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