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Critique this ,"On many occasions, Jesus made statements like this one: "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." (John 6:47) Therefore, if a person who believes in Jesus Christ HAS everlasting life, it is clear that nothing else is required.

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Matthew 1:21-25 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call [his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, God with us.]

24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Emmanuel--already interpeted for us so there is no mistaken it

[God with Us]
---char on 4/23/11

I am saved from wrath to come IN CHRIST

I am Saved from the penaly of SIN, In Christ. All that's left to be redeemed is my body. I have been purchased by the Blood of Jesus Christ. I know in the twinkling of an eye I will be transformed and translated.

JamesL Jesus said, the last will be first and the first last. That is referring to His earthly Kingdom, of which we His Church will reign and rule with Him, ALL saved will be there, but according to HOW you lived here will determine your position/inheritance there.

All saved are going to Heavenand have eternal life.

All saved will reign and rule with Christ here 1000 years, but not all saved will be first in His earthly Kingdom reign.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/11

[Jesus]is the Latin transliteration of the Greek Iesous, which is the Greek transliteration of the Aramaic Yeshua, which is the Aramaic transliteration of the Hebrew Yehoshuah.
And he said, If the Syrians be too strong for me, then thou shalt help (yeshu'ah/relief) me: (the verb Y-Sh-Ah/rescue) thee. (2 Sam 10:11) (verb- Y-Sh-Ah/rescue) (yeshu'ah/relief).(Is 25:9)
And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer (moshi'ah) to the children of Israel, who delivered (verb Y-Sh-Ah) (Judges 3:9)
he God of my rock, in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour (moshi'ah), thou savest (verb Y-Sh-Ah) me from violence.(2 Sam 22:3)
---char on 4/22/11

[Knowing] and [acknowledging] who Immanuel is.Matt 1(all) and following the Word of God's path-continues to deliver.
The Hebrew word translated as salvation is [yeshuah]-savior is [yasha]-to rescue [moshiah]hiphil verb is causative [one who causes to save.]

Is 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, and beside me there is no

Yehovah sent His Word--to save and rescue us from Death, to Believe what He said and follow His instruction to rescue.A [continuous action meaning "delivering."]
Yehovah is the one who "IS DELIVERING" (present tense) by and through His Word-
[yeshuah-Jesus Christ] His Living Word-In Spirit and In Truth.

Ps119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path
---char on 4/22/11

Leslie, you are correct to say that I am not saved. I cannot be saved until I am saved.

Jesus clearly said that many will come to Him claiming that they did miraculous deeds in His Name. He also sent them away because he did not know Him.

I cannot do any miraculous deeds even if in His name. However, the Spirit can do miraculous deeds through me if God chooses and I allow.

Heaven or hell is not my concern. Allowing the Lord to work through me for another's benefit is.

Salvation is of the Lord and not anything that I do or do not do in my own power will change that.

Thank you for your concern.
---aka on 4/22/11

there are only about 4 more posts allowed in this thread, and I don't want to leave the discussion up in the air.

I'm not getting anything back from you except single-verse citations, accusations that I've twisted scripture with no explanation as to how you arrive at that conclusion, and things such as that.

Would you do me a big favor and write to me personally?

I really would love to get to the bottom of this issue with you, but the word limit here makes it a little tough.


It's an "A" and not an "S" before the 3
---James_L on 4/22/11

2 Tim. 2:24-26 And the Lords servant must not strive, but be gentle towards all, apt to teach, forbearing, in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves, if peradventure God may give them repentance unto the knowledge of the truth, and they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him unto his will.

Good ideal, however, like on the dumb mule, one often has to use a 2x4 in order to get them to understand simple truths.
---leonia on 4/22/11

Some on this blog seem to be coming across very harsh weither you mean to or not. I would suggest you read 2Timothy 2:25 before comment.
---willa5568 on 4/22/11

James L - WOW, you really do TWIST scripture. Yes, we are saved by grace, through faith (faith WITHOUT works is NOT faith - James 2:14-26). The Bible says to WORK out your salvation (Phil 2:12). The Bible says that we are to REPENT (turn from sin) or perish (die and go to Hell) (Luke 13:3). Sin that is NOT confessed and turned from is still there (NOT erased) according to God, and sin can NOT enter into Heaven. To be saved, the Bible says to believe AND confess Jesus Christ died, rose, and is Lord. Jesus did NOT need to be saved because He is God and is PERFECT and SINLESS. Why did God put these scripture in there, to waste space. God has a purpose, and that is to show you what TRUE salvation is.
---Leslie on 4/22/11

James L - I guess you will continue to do it your way, and FORGET God because He really does not know what He is talking about. You continue to stay in your sins, and do it your way. I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you have is NOT salvation, but SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS (believing you know better than God), and I know you will end up in Hell, unless you repent. I warned you, and you still choose to be in IGNORANCE and have it your way. I guess you will be taking your own punishment, and you have no one to blame but yourself - that's your choice. I choose to go with the Bible and God ONLY, NOT with FOOLISH FAIRYTALES, and will send me straight to Hell.
---Leslie on 4/22/11

Leslie (part 2),
Romans 10:9-10 are not there all by themselves. Have you ever looked at all the words there?

There are two requirements there, for two outcomes.

Have you ever looked at all the other verses?

v 10 confess to be saved
v 13 call on to be saved
v 12 call on to abound in riches

That "salvation" in Romans 10 is an abundance of riches, Leslie.

One thing I've never seen from you is a comparison of 8-12 verses from one bible book to the same amount of verses from another.

Everything seems to be one-line hit and runs.

Do you think the whole bible is written like Proverbs? Just single verses all scattered around?
---James_L on 4/21/11

Leslie (part 1),
we HAVE BEEN "saved" by grace, through faith (Eph 2:8-9). See Romans 4:5

Rom 5:10 says having been justified (saved), we WILL BE "saved" by His life (resurrection). The resurrection is called "saved".

1Peter 1:4-5 calls our inheritance "salvation" and says it WILL BE revealed at a later time. It's called "glory and honor" in verse 7. Hebrews 2:9 Jesus was crowned with "glory and honor" See 2Timothy 2:10, 20-21)

Do you believe Jesus got "saved" ?

He received "glory and honor", which is called "salvation"

Can you see that "saved" is not "pretty much the same as going to heaven"?
---James_L on 4/21/11

1 Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Those in Christ are no longer recognized as being in sin but have been declared righteous in Christ.
---leonia on 4/21/11

James L - You basicly believe that you can believe in God and because Jesus already paid for it on the cross, that after you believe in God you kick back, and that's all that is required, because that brings salvation - is this right? If this is right, this is NOT what the Bible teaches. Satan has blinded you from the TRUTH.
---Leslie on 4/21/11

I have to say, I honestly believe Repent was spoken to Jews who rejected Jesus Christ, and THAT is what they were asked to change their minds about.

To say that one has to turn from a sin/sins before they can turn to Jesus is wrong. I certainly have to know I'm a sinner in need of a savior who in His power alone and HE ALONE delivers me from the power of sin. I have NO POWER before my salvation to turn from Sin. THAT'S why I need Christ to save me from my sin.

I will say, after I was saved, There were so many things God delivered me from I had no idea was even sin .

The Lord not only forgave me all sin, but set me free from being suicidal all my life.

He looked beyond my faults and saw my need! Amazing Grace!
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11

Jesus prayed SEVERAL times that "their eyes would be opened" because they were "spirtually blind". This is my prayer for the majority of you who answered this blog, since most of your answers reflect that you are not saved and are spiritually blind. I pray your eyes would be opened so you can see spiritually that you MUST repent and believe AND confess Jesus Christ died and rose and that He is Lord - this is what the Bible says. If you say that through a book or "God" speaking to you does not say this, well God would NEVER go against His Word, if the Bible says it, that is what it is PERIOD. Take it up with God if you don't think so.
---Leslie on 4/21/11

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Jesus rebuked Thomas and said BLESSED are those who don't see but believe.

Now, we do have some here who insist you cannot believe until you first see, and that in order to see you must first be born again to see, and that only those born again can see.

But that leaves an awful delimna here.
1. Was Thomas the ONLY Apostle not Born Again?

2. Can one see without being Born Again first?

3. Is seeing first considered FAITH? Or is faith NOT SEEING but believing. If we walk by Faith and NOT BY SIGHT, then sight has nothing to do with faith.

4. Jesus said you don't have to SEE first to believe or have faith.

5. Were all the Apostles born again first, but some born again first still show faithlessness?
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11

Leslie (p1),
unfortunately I did ask Jesus to come into my heart. Several hundred times.

It is one of the greatest deceptions in the church today.

Repent? That's where you and I part ways. You seem to believe repentance is something you do. But the Greek word that is translated "repent" actually means "have a change of mind".

Scripture says that repentance comes from God. It doesn't come from us, it happens to us.

Faith and repentance are interchangeable in the NT. Do you know why? faith IS repentance. They are not two separate things.

When I believed in Jesus, my mind had been changed by the Holy Spirit from the "voodoo of you do" to the gospel (good news) of Jesus Christ.
---James_L on 4/21/11

Leslie (p2),
You cite Acts 2:38. Have you crossed out 1Peter 3:21 from your bible? "baptism saves you". Why do you not include baptism?

You are a victim of "compilation theology", where you see the word "saved" and try to add up all the verses into a mess.

Salvation is not "pretty much the same thing as heaven" as you said. Salvation is SO MUCH MORE than going to heaven. It's a process with many aspects.

According to scripture, you can get saved and never become saved. but you cannot become saved unless you are being saved.

Saved is a complicated word in scripture, Leslie.

Over-simplifying that word makes people over-complicate the gospel
---James_L on 4/21/11

James L - Does the book you are talking about for salvation mention anything along the lines of "we do not need to repent because we are under grace", or "all you have to do to be saved is believe in God and ask Jesus into your heart"? If it does it does NOT line up with the Bible. NO where in the Bible does it mention to ask Jesus into your heart to be saved, and the Bible also says we DO have to repent to be saved (Matt. 4:17, Mark 1:15, Luke 13:3,5, Acts 2:38, 3:19, 17:30, 20:21, 26:20, Rev. 2:5,16, 3:3,19). Have you marked these scriptures out of your Bible? If you have, you are guilty of adding (what you want) to and taking away from the Word (Deut. 4:2, 12:32, Prov. 30:6).
---Leslie on 4/21/11

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To ALL - Are you a good person? Have you ever lied (liar)? Have you ever stolen anything (theif)? Have you ever used God's name as a cussword (blasphemy)? Have you ever looked with lust (adultery)? Have you ever hated or been angry with someone (murder)? By your own admission you are a liar, theif, blasphemer, adulterer, and murderer. If God judges you by those standards you would go to Hell (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Rev. 21:8). Jesus took your punishment on the cross. Repent and turn to Jesus Christ (Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9, Romans 10:9-10, Rev. 20:15).
---Leslie on 4/21/11

John 20:27-29 Thomas had said he would not believe in Jesus' resurrection till He saw for himself 24-26.

Jesus appeared to the apostles and told Thomas to touch his hands and side. "Do not be unbelieving, but believing." "Do not be faithless" Jesus said that those who doubt His resurrection are "faithless." They are "unbelievers."

Many claim to believe in Jesus, but they doubt or deny that He was the Son of God, was God in the flesh, died as the sacrifice to save us from sins, or that Jesus became sin for us, or arose from the dead.

These do not have FAITH according to the gospel.

1 Thess 4:14, Mark 16:14
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11

Leslie - while one may not necessarilty invite Jesus into His heart, those that will come to Him, He will not cast out.

Joh 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

But you are correct in that salvation is wholly of God, not of man. We cannot save ourselves but Jesus may.
---leej on 4/21/11

Mark_V. on 4/21/11

Very good point. I agree.

Now I do not believe that not understanding one verse or many verse will cause a person to be lost. The Clearesit passages of who will be lost is found in Matthew 25.

It seems to me that too many times people concentrate on small parts of doctrine and not on the essentials.

John MacArthur has been accused of teaching Lordship salvation. But in the Bible I only see Lordship salvation.
---Samuel on 4/21/11

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James L, aka, Nana - I am not judging you, God is judging you through His Word, telling you you have it WRONG and that you are listening to Satan, NOT God. Please REPENT. I care about you all so much. I do NOT want to see you all end up in Hell, where you are headed. To say that I care about you and do not want to see you end up in Hell is NOT judging but kind and loving. Speaking the TRUTH to you is the MOST kind and loving thing I can do, even if you don't want to hear it.
---Leslie on 4/21/11

James L - I go ONLY by what the Bible says salvation is, I do NOT need any other book to tell me that. In fact, MOST books about salvation, do NOT even line up with the Bible, but are man-made thinking. Tell me, did you invite Jesus into your heart? If you answered "yes", you are NOT saved according to the Bible. NO where in the Bible does it say to invite Jesus into your heart. The ONLY things it says for salvation is repent, believe, and confess Jesus Christ died and rose and is Lord. That is ALL the Bible says on salvation. Anything else is man-made traditions, NOT salvation.
---Leslie on 4/21/11

Mima, I know you dislike for me to question you since you and I believe in many things, but one I don't agree with is easy salvation by presenting that all one has to do is, believe in Christ and a person has everlasting life. Though the passage does state that, but that passage is only true if you know what that faith in Christ is. If you are with a bunch of lost people, and you tell them that is all they have to do, that is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. Aka is right and so are others, that even the devil believes but that does not make him saved.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/11


I'm about sick of your constant badgering of people who actually take time to study the scriptures.

It's obvious that you don't. You read and read, never discerning what you read.

always standing on a hill looking down on all the pitiful minions digging their way to hell.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but you can't see spiritual things, so we should excuse you I guess.

I was stuck in the same type of accusatory self-righteousness until I understood the gospel and believed.

There's a good book titled "How you can be sure that you will spend eternity with God" by Erwin Lutzer.

It helped me understand the gospel, it might help you too
---James_L on 4/20/11

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If satan did believe in the divine power, he would not think that he could replace them. now, he, he shudders...but keeps spitting in the wind. knows of and believes in are two things. i interpret it differently than you. so, I am not saved because of this one verse?

ok, i am not saved. but, i will continue to teach my kids to feed the homeless and you teach that Satan believes in the divine power of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

you make your judgement based on one blog question...maybe it is you that needs to brush up on the gospel and it's true meaning.
---aka on 4/20/11

Dear Leslie,
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."

You are too judgemental as you place us on this side of the river and you on the other with the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost!

Even Paul said:
1Cor.13:12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part, but then shall I know even as also I am known."

You see more clearly obviously than us and Paul...
Take a break from your labor and get your hair done.
---Nana on 4/20/11

We are saved by grace through faith. But there are requirements. First repentance, Jesus said "repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand". Then following Jesus "by this people will know you are my disciples, if you have love for one another". Remember what James said "faith without works is dead" or you could say its fake.
---willa5568 on 4/20/11

Paul, John and Peter in their letters to the churches often spoke of what a Christian was supposed to do as one who was baptized and born again.

We do not have man sermons except some excerpts of Paul to non Christians. The closes we come is his words to the Jailor and his sermon in Athens. To me witnessing starts with pointing to JESUS and then helping people to know they need a saviour.
---Samuel on 4/20/11

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James L, nana, and aka - It is clear that NONE of you is really saved based on your responses and how you all go AGAINST the Bible and even ARGUE the Bible saying "that is not true". All I can say to you all is REPENT and turn to Jesus before it is too late, because if you all were to die this second, you all would go to Hell. I care about you and your eternal souls and I love you enough to speak this TRUTH to you. I beg you to REPENT and turn to Jesus Christ.
---Leslie on 4/20/11

Mark V.,
Yo err daily!
"Nana, what I see you doing is promoting one's own works for salvation."
You must be crazy since all I did was quote verses which answered these queries:
""Confess this...
Turn from that..."

I did not make the rules nor the requests, but Christ crearly did:
Luke 17:10 "So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."

James_L ,
A sermon?
"passing mentions"? Never heard of words of Scripture be cakled as such!
However I have read, "one jot or one tittle", magnifying the smallest details of Scripture!
---Nana on 4/20/11

You're right, I did not convey what I meant properly.

I asked to point to any sermon by any of the apostles. What you did was give single-verse references, not from any sermons but from letters.

My point is that one should be able to find a sermon that was preached to unbelievers in which they were promised entrance into heaven by doing this or that.

And I'm not asking for passing mentions in letters to Chritians about sharing in Christ's inheritance through suffering (Rom 8:17). That's about all you cited.
---James_L on 4/19/11

Nana, what I see you doing is promoting one's own works for salvation. That we have to do this law, or that law in order to be saved. But the new believer is saved by Grace through faith. Not by his works. What James L. is saying is correct. The only reason we do good works is because we are in Christ as believers. Christ gets the glory and honor, not us. Luke 12:46 is speaking a parable of "hypocrisy" In other words, let your deeds prove you belong to the Lord. Those who are fake will be cut down. They pretend they are saved, but their deeds prove otherwise.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/11

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ok, leslie.

i will teach my kids to feed the homeless and you teach that Satan believes in the divine power of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
---aka on 4/19/11

the verses you listed are not sermons to unbelievers."

You did not ask for sermons to unbelievers. Oh I get it, "Jesus is THE heir. Do you think that He was "allowed" to go to heaven?"
You think you just hang on to his cape like he is superman and he'll take you to heaven with him?

What he actually said is "follow me" and "take my yoke" (not gime your yoke).
It is to believers that Jesus instructed such:
Luke 12:46 "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers."
---Nana on 4/19/11

If I were to go into my garage and believe and say "I'm a car" will I ever be a car? If the devil believes in God, but does not repent or confess Jesus is Lord, is he a Christian, and will he go to Heaven? This sounds foolish right? This is what we say when we say that belief alone brings salvation to us. If I stand out in the garage and believe I'm a car, then I will turn into a car right? Belief alone does NOT make you a Christian and will NOT bring you to Heaven.
---Leslie on 4/19/11

James, Romans 10:9,10 seems to be saying if people do certain things, they will be saved, which would indicate their own works would save them. But that's not what the passage is saying. From (v. 8) were told, "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that is, "the word of faith which we preached" These people only, who are asked to confess with their mouths should already have the word in their hearts. They been made alive and able by the Word of Faith. So when they confess they are not saved by their works, but by the grace of God who's word is already in their hearts. Without the word of faith in their hearts they would never confess. Since the passage says:
"and believe in your heart"
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

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Leslie **If you believe that you can believe (faith) in God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), and then just sit back and let Jesus take you to Heaven, with NO repentance or confession of Jesus as Lord - you are trying to get to salvation/Heaven by your own way, NOT the Bible way.

Yes, it is bad theology for scripture is very plain that -

"For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives. Hebrews 12:5
---leonia on 4/19/11

First something you said to aka. Nowhere in the book of James does it say that the devil believes "IN" one God.

It says the devil believes "THERE IS" one God.

You need to stop changing the words of scripture to "line up" with your false teaching.

Also, dead faith is not "fake" faith. Does dead mean fake?

Is a dead body a fake body? That's in James 2 also.

How about telling your mechanic sommething like "my car battery ended up being a fake battery. It's dead."

That's retarded
---James_L on 4/19/11

you are absolutely right that faith without works profits nothing. We agree on that.

But, since the GIFT of eternal life is free, and without cost (Rev 22:17),

and profit is the surplus and gain from your own investment,

you have demonstrated that this passage is not speaking of the same free gift that Jesus offered

the verses you listed are not sermons to unbelievers. Those were words written to Christians to persevere through suffering in order that they will INHERIT the Kingdom of God. Do you know what an inheritance is?

Jesus is THE heir. Do you think that He was "allowed" to go to heaven?
---James_L on 4/19/11

If you believe that you can believe (faith) in God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), and then just sit back and let Jesus take you to Heaven, with NO repentance or confession of Jesus as Lord - you are trying to get to salvation/Heaven by your own way, NOT the Bible way. According to the Bible we are saved/Heaven bound by Jesus, grace, and faith ALONE. However, according to James 2:14-26 faith MUST have WORKS (action) in order to be faith, and in Phil. 2:12 says to WORK out your own salvation. If you do NOT repent, according to God you are still in sin, and sin can NOT enter into Heaven. This is NOT salvation by works, but salvation according to the Bible.
---Leslie on 4/19/11

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To get salvation and go to Heaven according to the Bible, you MUST REPENT (Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9) and believe AND confess Jesus Christ died and rose and is Lord (Romans 10:9-10). According to the Bible, if you do NOT do these things, you are NOT saved and are going to Hell. This is NOT salvation by works, but salvation according to the Bible. Anything else is man trying to be his own god and trying to get to salvation and Heaven on his own, without Jesus.
---Leslie on 4/19/11

Leslie, I agree with you. If a person does not repent, and accept the works of Christ on the Cross, it proves, there's been no change of heart. He is still dead in sin. He needs to be made alive, or born of God first, then the works he does give proof that God has granted him repentance, by convicting him of sin and he will repent by his own works. That's why James says, "Of His own will he brought us forth by the word of Truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures" Jame 1:18. And again He says, "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can faith save him? it profits nothing if we say we have faith and have no evidence of true faith.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11

"Confess this...
Turn from that...

If that were the way to eternal life, then you should be able to point to a sermon by one of the apostles which would say that."
James_L on 4/17/11

Matthew 19:17
1Cor.6:9_11. Lots of turn from.
Matthew 10:32
James 5:16
Rom 15:14
Col. 3:16

John.15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
---Nana on 4/19/11

James L - Who is quoting scipture out of context - YOU ARE. Saved and Heaven are pretty much the SAME - you can NOT go to Heaven unless you are saved according to the Bible. In James it also says that faith without works is DEAD (NOT faith). So yes you are comming to God on YOUR terms, NOT His. You are NOT saved, and are going to Hell if you were to die right now, that is according to the Bible and God.
---Leslie on 4/19/11

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James L and aka - 1st James L - Yes, Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven and Salvation, but you MUST get to Jesus His way (Repentance and belief and confession). If you wanted to get to my house and I gave you directions to get there, but you thought you could get there by a road that did not lead to my house, you would not get to my house. God knows the way to His house through Jesus by repentance and belief and confession - it is not narrowminded, but spacific. 2nd aka - When it says that Satan believes in one God, it is saying he believes in God. You cannot just read the Bible, you must study it.
---Leslie on 4/19/11

mima, ALL is required, and not belief alone: faith without works 1s 100% dead, and NonChristian.
---Eloy on 4/18/11

Leslie, have you ever taken time to study what is written Galatians 2:17-21, along with what is written in scripture ragarding the Mystery of the Gospel.
---Rob on 4/18/11


I believe there is one Satan, but that does not mean I believe (in Satan).

If I did, I would shudder too out of reaction to not being properly if I chose to not wear a coat despite the cold weather even though I believed it was cold.
---aka on 4/18/11

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Jesus said "No one comes to the Father except Through Me." Not "through You confessing Me" Through Jesus means through His atoning sacrifice.

You have taken Romans 10:9-10 out of context. Saved there is not "go to heaven", and confess is not merely a one-time profession.

Did you read Romans 4:21-25? That is 4 verses where Paul gives an example of faith that applies to us.

My terms? I tried for 20 years to come to God on my terms: confess this, turn from that, obey this, work this, work was all filthy rags.

I didn't become a Christian until I stopped trying to reach God and believed in Him who justifies the ungodly through faith, with NO works (Rom 4:4-5)
---James_L on 4/18/11

James_L is correct in that salvation is a gift from God apart from works of the law. (Eph. 2:8-10). If it were not then either we are our own savior or a co-savior with Christ.

It is the righteousness of Christ that counts as our own. 1 Cor. 1:30. And the righteous must live by faith alone (Romans 1:17).
---leonia on 4/18/11

James L - You contradict yourself. You say you believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven and Salvation, yet you don't believe that you must repent and confess Jesus Christ died and rose and is Lord. Through that, you basicly say that YOU are your own God, Savior, and Lord, and do NOT need Jesus - this is because you REFUSE to come to Jesus on His terms, but only want your way. God is NOT Burger King, and you can NOT have it your way.
---Leslie on 4/18/11

James L and aka - 1st The Bible says that the devil and his demons believe in God (God here is elohim or Father, Son, Holy Spirit) (James 2:19). Now for James L - You can argue all you want that we do not need to repent or confess, but you argue with God and say that you are right and God is wrong. The Bible clearly states that in order to be saved you MUST (1) repent (Luke 13:3 - repent or perish (die and go to Hell)), and (2) believe AND confess that Jesus died and rose and that He is Lord (Romans 10:9-10). According to the Bible (God Himself) if you do not repent and believe and confess then you are NOT saved and are going to Hell. You can ONLY get to Jesus on His terms, NOT yours.
---Leslie on 4/18/11

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you first say that Jesus is the only way to heaven and salvation. I agree 100% with you on this. No argument here.

BUT, you then turn right around and contradict yourself by adding in other elements to the way.

Confess this...
Turn from that...

If that were the way to eternal life, then you should be able to point to a sermon by one of the apostles which would say that.

Where is it? I prefer not to believe the words of someone who takes so many verses out of context.
---James_L on 4/17/11

//The Bible says that the devil DOES believe in God (the Father), Jesus Christ (the Son), and the Holy Spirit. // --Leslie

Quote the whole verse the way that it written. Please explain this to me. If you do not scream at me with CAPS, it may change my mind.
---aka on 4/16/11

I would say that the burden of proof is on you to provide a scripture verse to support your ignorant claims.

The first - that Satan believes in God, believes in Jesus, or believes in the Holy Spirit. I'll even be easy on you. Just show one, not even all three.

The next is your claim that Satan teaches "believe in Jesus"

Where is the scripture so that it "lines up with the bible"

Isn't that what your battle cry is? "line up" with the bible?

Line it up for us, Leslie. One verse that PLAINLY teaches your error, that's all I ask
---James_L on 4/16/11

Jesus said He is the ONLY way to Heaven and Salvation (John 14:6). To get to Jesus, we MUST have (1) Repentance (confessing and turning from sins) (Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9), and (2) Trust in Jesus Christ through belief AND confession that He died and rose again and that He is Lord (Romans 10:9-10). According to the Bible, if you have not done these two above things, you are NOT saved and are going to Hell.
---Leslie on 4/16/11

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The everlasting life in us has us becoming "as He is . . . in this world." (1 John 4:17) And His life in us changes us so we are doing all He means by God's word, including "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippines 2:14) and "rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4) And Jesus in us shares with us His love life that He has with our Father and loving any and all people. So, this is not a "requirement" but a result (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/16/11

Yes Jesus Is The Way to Everlasting Life.
Beginning with the trin rcc & that spread down her daughters churches, they take a scripture like John 6 v 47 & makes it salvation, even along with other faith believe scriptures & say it's salvation, Not so because faith without works is dead. Such faith scriptures put together along with Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 is The salvation scriptures. For he & she Matt.24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 4/16/11

Pretend you are a stockbroker, and have two clients.
Both of these clients claim they believe in you as a stockbroker.
Over the years you advise both clients to put their money into a variety of stocks.
One faithfully invests in the stocks you tell him to buy and the other does not.

Which client believes in you as a stockbroker, the one who does as you say, or the one who says he believes in you, but doesn't do as you say?
---David on 4/16/11

Jesus did not come ALONE, He came WITH the Holy Spirit (which was not given to us UNTIL Jesus was glorified).

John 7:39
"for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified".

Jesus only purified the FLESH, but as a SACRIFICE FOR SIN, could not purify the CONSCIENCE (the old system of SACRIFICES couldn't cause someone to have a clear conscience either, but now God's spirit can teach us to be holy so we will always have one)...

Hebrews 9:9
"which cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper".

Everlasting life is only gained by having the "GUARANTEE" that comes from being "spirit filled" (2 Corinthians 5:5).
---more_excellent_way on 4/16/11

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As far as one's entrance into heaven goes nothing else is required, but whether or not you will enjoy heaven, well that is a different story.
---Richard_Hobart on 4/16/11

Mima, Haz27, and James L - You ALL are WRONG. The Bible says that the devil DOES believe in God (the Father), Jesus Christ (the Son), and the Holy Spirit. Now I ask you is the devil saved? He is NOT, therefore you ALL have the same theology as the devil. You are NOT saved just because you believe, and since you all think you are - that says you are NOT saved at all.
---Leslie on 4/16/11

//Therefore, if a person who believes in Jesus Christ HAS everlasting life, it is clear that nothing else is required.//

just like a diamond has many facets, 'believe' is one word that is multi-faceted.

//the Bible says in James that even the devil believes. Is the devil saved?//

the bible does not say that devils believe in what Jesus spoke of in John 6:47. it clearly says that the believe there is one God.

they were made by that one God, and one day, they have to account to that one God, so they shudder.
---aka on 4/15/11

john 3-16 says only belief is required.jesus stated that baptism also was.
---tom2 on 4/15/11

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mima, Jesus Christ Himself said, "Not everyone who calls to me, 'Lord! Lord!' shall enter the kingdom of heaven."
---Cluny on 4/15/11

no,cause jesus also said,and by this will they know you follow me,that you love one another as I have loved you,another and different requirement,maybe nothing to do with everlasting life,but definitely a requirement.
---tom2 on 4/15/11

the devil doesn't believe in Jesus.

"You believe that God is one. You do well, the demons also believe, and shudder." (James 2:19)

Believing "God is one" is not believing in Jesus.

Believing in Jesus is confidence that He can do what He promised - save sinners by dying in our place.

"to the one who does not work, but Believes In Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness." (Romans 4:5)

[Abraham} "being fully assured that what God had promised, He was also able to perform. Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness." (Romans 4:21-22)

Anything else is not salvation and will lead to hell
---James_L on 4/15/11

Good point Leslie.

I believe that many misunderstand what JESUS is saying. To believe in him requires that you follow Him. Become his disciple. It is not just some magic set of words you say.

A person needs to understand that beliving here requires commitment.
---Samuel on 4/15/11

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Leslie please consider the following from
Acts 16:30-31,

"30-And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31-And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
---mima on 4/15/11

mima you are correct.

When Jesus was asked (John6:28,29)what works should we do, he answered: "This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent"

And "Whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" 1John5:1

"He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself, he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son." 1John5:10,11
---Haz27 on 4/15/11

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." (John 6:47).

Salvation is available only to those of the human race as the devil & his angels have already been judged and condemned.

But what characterizes the one who 'believes', will he become circumcised, observe the Jewish Sabbath, and other Mosaic laws? Or will he simply abide in that ministry of the Spirit and become transformed more and more into the image of Christ?
---leonia on 4/15/11

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