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A Billion Miracle Christians

Christians today have the same power as the original Christians who were filled with the Holy Spirit to perform greater miracles than Jesus. With over a billion Christians in the world who claim to have the power of the Holy Spirit, why is there not a billion miracles?

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I don't understand your post. I guess you are trying to argue again against "pre-destination". But no matter why things happen, whether planned from eternity or instituted seconds ago, God is sovereign. If God is not
sovereign, God is not God.
---Donna66 on 7/19/11

Jesus surely knows more than you, Yes?
While you purport that all is written and unchangeable, He does not.
While you have killed most men in your imaginings that they are
dead, Jesus just reasoned with them you discount:
John 10:37_38 "If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."
John 10:41_42
"And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
And many believed on him there."
---Nana on 7/19/11

Nana, what I said still stands whether you believe it or not,
"It is not what He wants now, but what He knew from all eternity"
All the decrees of God are unfolding before out eyes. "Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the World" ( Acts 15:18). Scripture declares about the death of Jesus in ( Acts 2:23),
"Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain" What God determined from eternity past about Christ, was done by wicked hands in the crucifixion of Jesus.
God knows all things whether you believe it or not.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/11

Donna66, as a human being I call them miracles. What else can I call them? Something I cannot understand is a miracle to me. And a miracle to every human being. If we knew what God knows about all things, to Him it would not be a miracle but a thing of the past, for all the future is in His hands. We don't know why, on many things, but by faith we know it is the will of God. That is what faith is all about. We trust that God knows all things and knows whats best and just and know He never makes mistakes. So from my standpoint, all I can do is call it a miracle. I have a clue that many miracles were setup by God for a future purpose He already knew had to be.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/11

"You understand, better than many, the sovereignty of God.
God can do whatever He wants for any reason He wants!."
---Donna66 on 7/18/11

That has been the stance of AlanUK and many more all along, but to Mark's understanding (he calls it the Truth, example, "I only give you the Truth"), human life is nothing more than a re-run movie.

Some say: "The devil made do it"
Another: "God made me do it"

One lacking integrity may use either as a cop out.

'Ask' we are told.
It is not written but by our walk:
Matt 6:33
James 4
---Nana on 7/19/11

Markv--What do you call a healing that defies all medical explanation? I've seen a few (very few) like this in the hospital...seen them firsthand and up close.

Not a "Lazarus" or re-grown limb..not necessarily an answer to prayer... but unexpected, and dramatic enough to puzzle the medical people involved. Not merely "overcoming the odds", but events deemed impossible. I would call such a thing "miraculous"
They were more striking, medically, than what is seen at most healing services. Whats more they were also totally verifiable!.

You understand, better than many, the sovereignty of God.
God can do whatever He wants for any reason He wants!.
---Donna66 on 7/18/11

1 Cor 1:22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:"
Remember Jesus ministered to the Jew(Rom 15:8)
The reason that healings and miracles were given is to confirm that Jesus was sent with a message from God.
Do you believe if we had more signs and miracles, there would be more believers?
---michael_e on 7/18/11

Donna66, I should have answered you first. I believe in prayer. But I believe it's the will of God that's done. What seems to me as a miracle, it was already taken care of by God, but we don't know so we ask for His will to be done. If we could get what we want, then God would have to change what is already set in the plan of God. Miracles mean many things. Bringing health to someone, being born, someone surviving a surgery, someone who is temporary dead and comes alive. But the miracles that Christ performed were not your everyday ones we call miracles. He restored limbs, brought people from the dead who were already rottening. Gave sight to the blind. He was displaying He was the Messiah. Only God could have done such things.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/11

Willa, you interpret a passages at the expense of Almighty God'd decrees, making God work through time as a man, when He is outside of time, and suggest He didn't know Hezekiah was going to pray, since he did pray, God change His mind. You stripped God of at least three of His Attributes. Do you have any idea why God gave him longer time?
"I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the King of Assyria, and I will defend this city "for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David" (v.20:6).
Hezekiah was already going to live longer, God had plans for David that included the protection of the city for David. God is Omniscient who knows all things.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/11

Willa 2, You said He desires all should be saved, He also desires no one sins. He desires we be holy. But that's not His will of decree. Scripture tells us,
"In Him we live..," That tells me that without Him we don't. "and move, and have our being" (Act 17:28). That tells me that without Him we could not move or even have our being.
And you say, He cannot because something or someone stops Him. You have the wrong god.
When He says, "For the Lord of Host hath purposed, and who shall disannul it?" You suggest sinful man can? For He says, "My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure".
You suggest He was lying again that He is not doing all His pleasure.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/11

Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Joh 9:7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,
---TheSeg on 7/17/11


No, I don't see Gods will always being done. He desires ALL to be saved not just a "chosen one", is that done?

Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith- Galatians 3:5

No we do not perform miracles when we want, but the very same power Jesus had he has given to his body. And if you read the Gospels Jesus was given authority to do as the Father told him, including miracles. You say God chose when we are born and die. What about Hezekiah, was God joking with him that he was going to die but already knew he would have 15 more years. How about Ahab. As you say we are to study scripture by "literal interpretation".
---willa5568 on 7/17/11

Mark--- I don't see that you have anything to prove. But I think there must surely be a fourth category.
Those (like me) who believe that miracles still happen...but not necessarily at OUR bidding or because of OUR spirituality. I've seen a few miracles (most of them outside religious services). I don't believe God quit doing miracles as soon the ink dried on the first New Testament.

But millions of miracles? Could be. However, if they happened often, they would no longer be, by definition, "miracles".
---Donna66 on 7/17/11

Willa, sometimes I wonder why you say what you do. Let me ask you,
"Do you believe the will of God is done?"
Or do you believe there is some molecules working behind His back that He doesn't know about, and are unnoticed by God?
What you also suggest with your answer is that if God wanted to save someone, and that person died, God failed to save him. Everyone is born at the exact time and dies at the exact time God set for them. The people Christ brought to life, also died for good when their time came. The miracles Christ performed were done to proof He was equal to Father while He was here. "For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will"
---Mark_V. on 7/17/11

//God has used me several times in seeing people healed,//
MarkV is right, what we see today as far as healing is far different than Jesus' earthly ministry.
Matt. 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Christians today DON'T have the same power.
---michael_e on 7/17/11


prove that statement. American Christianity is far less dependent on faith in Gods power because we are spoiled. God has used me several times in seeing people healed, including a man who was dying of aids that intern served the Lord with a burning zeal. But you can be skeptical if you so choose.
---willa5568 on 7/16/11

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Today there is three different views of miracles. The first, the skeptical view, denies that miracles can ever happen. The second view argues that miracles happened in Bible times and continue to happen today. The third, is that true miracles happened in the Bible, but God ceased performing miracles once His revelation was established in Scripture. This view holds, God still works in the world in a supernatural way but no longer grants miracle-working power to human beings. What we call miracles are not miracles to God. He controls, governs the lives of all things. Nothing happens without Him allowing it are permiting it to happen. If someone lives longer it's because he was appointed to die at the time God set for him. It's always God's will.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/11

Not all Christians believe miracles are for today, and are therefore not open to God using them in this capacity. But take heart, there are plenty of miracles taking place in the World. Sometimes we have to look a little harder though, especially in the US. Medicinal practices can often center stage them in our society.
---katie on 7/14/11

Rhonda is right. The multitudes preach and follow the wrong Jesus.
One big reason there are not billions of miracles is in that God will not bless rebellion.
When the multitudes follow and preach a false Christ the multitude of miracles are no longer given.
The remnant or few that truly worship in Spirit and truth have a few miracles.
The multitudes John saw were accumulated over all time. A few here and a few there. Like the word, a little here and a little there.
---Frank on 7/14/11

Christ said MANY would come in His name - not a few

there are MANY preaching a false "christ" today and preaching this OTHER Christ in His(Biblical Christs) name ...all of their followers are MANY following the WRONG Christ 2Corin 4:4,11

Christ said His flock is little and many are called few are chosen

there are 1 billion people who are self-proclaimed christians simply people who Christ said are NONE of His

there are not a billion miracles because this is Satans world ...Christ is not ruling this world - He is preparing this world for Gods Kingdom to COME at His return 1Corin 15 when HE rules from Jerusalem
---Rhonda on 7/9/11

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there are many types of christian

catholic, baptist, methodist, fundamentalist, episcopelian, mormon, etc etc.
so which is the right kind of christian? one denomination claims to be THE church? many claim to be christians but they act by name only
what kind of miracle? pastors televangelist exploit for money then call it miracle, filled with the HS or have strong faith.
what kind of miracle are you expecting? I asked myself that too when there is too much suffering.
---mike on 7/8/11

atheist, please capitalize G in God when speaking of deity. Maybe your god is your god by my God is the only true God and He is deity. He is Holy, Lily of the valley, Bright and Morning Star, I could go on and on. He is the Light of the world, He is I Am, the Great I AM. Many more too.
---shira3877 on 6/23/11


so if god had done it right, there wouldn't be any need for miracles...
---atheist on 5/18/11

He got it right. Daddy got it wrong.
Hey....he was you.

Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience "Many" were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall "MANY" be made righteous.
Hebrews 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God,
---Trav on 6/22/11

Luckily for the whole world, God still loved them enough to die for them.
---Jasheradan on 6/21/11

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Michael e, I agree with your answer very much. The miracle is that He saves any, for if He so wanted, He could have left everyone in a lost condition for He was under no obligation to save anyone. While Jesus resurrection was a great event, in that because of His resurrection we are also resurrected. If He had not risen, none of us would be either. That was the plan of God for all who believe by faith.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/11

When I was saved, it was truly a miracle. Anytime the Holy Spirit comes into a persons life, who can dare say it isn't a miracle. Christ did raise me from the dead. I was dead in sin and, I will never die. When this decrepid body dies, my spirit still lives. That my friend is a miracle.
---shira3877 on 6/21/11

michael e,

It is a gift that saves us not a miracle. The miracle is Jesus being raised from the dead, which we are to believe as well as his death and Lordship. God performs miracles for the purpose of validating the message. Is that always the case? Of coarse not. You and other may disagree, but I am certain things have not changed. He did these works in the OT and NT and we have the same spirit as them.

Gods blessings
---willa5568 on 6/16/11

//willa5568 on 6/10/11//
Anytime God saves a soul, is miraculous, in any country.
---michael_e on 6/15/11

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michael e,

my wife had a desire for a child just after our marriage. So we began to pray and the Lord spoke to me, saying we would have a son and were to name him Elisha. I told my Pastor, who seemed to doubt, but about 2 months later we found she was pregnant. There's a whole lot more amazing things to this but there aren't enough words to tell it here. Also I had a friend who sadly died of cancer in the past year that was healed of aids 8yrs ago. He was dying in the hospital and there was no hope. his bones were so fragile he could not walk,he couldn't even move without help and he could hardly speak because his body was so destroyed. But he was completely healed and ministered to others about Gods power and mercy.
---willa5568 on 6/10/11

//In other countries throughout the world God is doing miraculous things//

What countries, what miraculous things?
---michael_e on 6/10/11

In other countries throughout the world God is doing miraculous things through His people just as He did through the Apostles. Notice why Jesus said he could not do many miracles in his own country, Mark 6:1-6. It does not say anywhere in scripture that these things will cease, I have witnessed it. There is though a misinterpretation of 1Corinthians 13:9-13 to justify this belief. Also, not only the Apostles performed these works. Others such as Stephen, Phillip and I am quite sure many others considering 1Corinthians discourse about the variety of manifestations of holy spirit presents these as present in the church.
---willa5568 on 6/3/11

steveng, the purpose of all those miracles at the beginning of the Church Age, before we have our Bibles as we now have, was for the purpose of pointing to Jesus Christ, RISEN.

We were never told we would do greater miracles. We are told we would do greater WORKS. Big difference.

The Greater WORKS is preaching the Gospel, where the Church will in fact bring more lost souls to Christ than the orginal Apostles.

---kathr4453 on 5/26/11

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Matt 16:4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign: and there shall be no sign given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.
---barb on 5/22/11

Athiest, you said,

"Why not just one miracle and have all people on the earth become Christians?"

What you call miracle to you is that all become Christians. What really is the miracle us is, that God saved some, for He could have chosen to save none. Then you said,

"so if god had done it right, there wouldn't be any need for miracles..."

God did it exactly as He wanted it. Miracles is what we call some things, but to God there is no miracles, for He designed the plan exactly as He wanted. When we call miracles, God calls providence. You ask good questions, as all athiest to find fault with God, but later they find themselves saved in the end. Hope you are one of them.
---Mark_V. on 5/20/11

God did it right. Man messed it up. God set it back in order. Man still has the same choice God created him with in the very beginning.
---Sophia on 5/19/11

Friend, you may not believe in God but He believes in you. Although you may not think you are missing out on much, He longs for your presence. He's not a control freak. He's a Father better than even the very best earthly father. The door is open. You can come in or stay on the porch. Either way you are still loved.
---Sophia on 5/19/11

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so if god had done it right, there wouldn't be any need for miracles...
---atheist on 5/18/11

Why not just one miracle and have all people on the earth become Christians? ---atheist on 5/3/11

God has never forced a miracle. Love does not control nor force anything upon another. All that were healed, delivered, etc came to Him by faith and received. The greatest miracle of all is that man would receive by faith what cannot be seen and it exact a change in himself that can be seen.
---Sophia on 5/18/11

Jesus did not say that one will do greater miracles.

John 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do, and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

Deeds done through the fruit of the Spirit are miraculous indeed!
---aka on 5/18/11

I'm a "Capricorn."

But I don't believe in that mumbo jumbo either.
---atheist on 5/17/11

The sign, should properly read:
"BLIND Capricorn"...but, still alive by the grace of your GOD.
Prayers...are wasted on me but, if you have ever been me and seen any proof please pray that I might. Tonight.

Isaiah 42:16
I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not, I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
---Trav on 5/17/11

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I'm a "Capricorn."

But I don't believe in that mumbo jumbo either.
---atheist on 5/17/11

Why not just one miracle and have all people on the earth become Christians?
---atheist on 5/3/11

You would be there, still trying to logic things bigger than your logic engine.

Since you're too afraid to ask GOD for your sign....I'll ask for you.
If fortunate, you'll get one.

Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
---Trav on 5/17/11

Someone once asked St. Seraphim of Sarov why we didn't see miracles like in Biblical times.

He replied, "Just one reason: Lack of resolve."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/11

Why not just one miracle and have all people on the earth become Christians?
---atheist on 5/3/11

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You will see no greater miracle in your life than being an instrument God uses to reconcile someone to himself.
Paul apparently lost his healing ability 2Tim 4:20, but not the ability to lead people to Christ.

"An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign" (Matt. 12:39). During this present age "the just shall live by faith" (Gal. 3:11). "For we walk by faith, not by sight" (II Cor. 5:7). We are not to look for signs, but to walk by faith alone in the written Word of God.
---michael_e on 5/3/11

Truth is every time God uses you to help someone find the kingdom you have performed greater works than Jesus did.
---mima on 5/3/11

Jesus says, "he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also and greater works than these he will do, because I go to the Father," in John 14:12. What is greater than healings and casting out devils and raising the dead?

Ministering for Christ to be formed in us (Galatians 4:19).

Mutual confession with mutual healing prayer to get "one another" "healed" of however we have damaged ourselves by sinning, and "healed" together with God so we are living His love, instead.

Winning a disobedient husband by being in "the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:1-4)
---Bill_willa6989 on 5/2/11

I am very sure we have had more than a billion mircles. God doesn't limit miracles one to a person. A miracle isn't just for its own sake but for the building up of the faith of those who know of it. It also has drawn many to God who wouldn't have come except they had witnessed the power of God. Whether it is healing or miracle it is a testimony to God's love for humankind and man's faith to love and trust God. Remember too,not everyone has the Gift of Healing or Miracles to "perform" them even though every Christian has the ability to pray for a move from God and receive it,as God sees fit. God distributes the Gifts of the Spirit as he chooses.
---Darlene_1 on 5/2/11

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Steveng: I think I know where you're coming from & trying to going with this. However, I'd appreciate it if you'd provide Scriptural foundation to support your statement & question. Thx.
---Leon on 5/2/11

How many miracles have you done, Steveng?

Christ is Risen!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 5/1/11

Maybe God hasn't given you the eyes to see the miracles, Steveng.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/11

Because then we would have a billion miracle worshipers, and we alredy have too many as it is.
---Elder on 5/1/11

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