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World Ending May 21, 2011

Group says rapture about to begin? Members of the Family Radio group are sure the end of the world is coming on May 21. They point to complex numerical codes to demonstrate the accuracy of their predictions. What is this group about and can they be right?

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I don't recall any verse that says that one is damned if one happens to believe one doctrine that is incorrect. When Jesus separates the righteous from the wicked like sheep from goats (Matthew 25:31-46) his judgments are based on one's actions, not one's doctrines.
---StrongAxe on 5/16/11

\\Otherwise, ALL Christians would be Millerites (or Campingites, for that matter).\\

The real question is: Are Millerites or Campingites Christians?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/11

\\He took these prophesies, together with historical data to reach his conclusion.\\

In other words, he mixed the infallible word of God with mere human information.

Advances in historical and archeological studies have shown that some of Abp. Ussher's chronology, which Miller used, is wrong.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/11


No. These are not evidence of fulfilled prophecies. These are the PROPHECIES THEMSELVES, and subject to interpretation. How long is a year? 360, 365, 365.25, 365.24, 365.238 days? All of these numbers have been used. Which is "the" correct one? Many scholars disagree. Otherwise, ALL Christians would be Millerites (or Campingites, for that matter).

Any time a prophecy of a future event is given, the prophecy can be tested. It is verifiable when the event takes place, or falsiable when it doesn't (making the one who predicted it a false prophet). Any prophecy that cannot be tested is not a prophecy at all. Fortune tellers make millions making predictions so vague they can never be proven or disproven.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/11

I "celebrate" Mother's Day and Father's Day by calling my parents. But we must remember these and many other "days" were created by the greeting card industry as ways to increase sales. While they are nice and fine (and "honor your father and mother" IS a Biblical commandment), if we REQUIRE people to celebrate these two holidays, we are imposing on them the bondage of law and of human traditions (and corporate ones, at that).

Colossians 2:16
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

If we are not to judge one another over biblical holy days, how much less should we judge one another over man-made ones.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/11

Axey: "How do you KNOW Miller's timetable was correct? Is there any objective evidence,?"

Just the Bible. He took these prophesies, together with historical data to reach his conclusion.

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days, then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Eze 4:6 ... I have appointed thee each day for a year.

The only starting point given by Daniel was:

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem ...

The date of Artaxerxes final command (Ezr 7) to rebuild Jerusalem was 457 BC. The rest is simple math (remembering that there is no zero year).
---jerry6593 on 5/15/11

GALATIANS 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.

PSALM 90:12 So teach us to number our days, That we may gain a heart of wisdom.
---RICHARDC on 5/15/11

\\Miller's timetable was correct\\

Which timetable, jerry?

His first or his second one?

He himself later repudiated his folly in setting up timetables.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/11


How do you KNOW Miller's timetable was correct? Is there any objective evidence, or any other independently-verifiable corroboration?

Failed prophets claim "Something DID happen, but nobody can see it" - like the Emperor's new clothes.

I believe we will be judged. I just don't believe Jesuss need so sit around in heaven for hundreds of years doing the math - because if he DOES, even more people will be born during that period, requiring even MORE investigation, during which time even MORE people will be born, needing to be judged, ad infinitum.

I don't believe Miller's timetable. We are called to watch our work (Matthew 24:46, Luke 12:37-43) not work our watches (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32).
---StrongAxe on 5/14/11

pray for these people the devastating trauma they will experience these people who have sold everything left jobs and allowed a mortal man to CONTROL them and become their idol

how will they cope on May 22, 2011 when they are all still here ...then the realization the massive earthquake was another LIE

if anything everyone should be praying for these very lost souls who have been duped used and literally and figuratively LEFT with NOTHING

truly they will be in shock while the sick man Camping will just smile and say he got the date wrong

there will be MANY more coming along just like him PREYING on fear and the rapture LIES
---Rhonda on 5/14/11

JEREMIAH 25:32 Thus say the LORD of Host:

JEREMIAH 25:33 Behold, disaster shall go forth from nation to nation, And a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the farthest parts of the earth,

JEREMIAH 25:33 And at that day the slain of the LORD shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth.They shall not be lamented, or garthered, or buried: they shall become refuse on the ground.
---RICHARDC on 5/14/11


If Jesus returns at a particular time in a particular time zone on May 21 2011, there will likely be parts of the globe when it will be May 20 or May 22 at the same time (depending on whether he comes before noon or after). So if you fly to Australia or the Phillipines, you may actually be able to cash your paycheck (although, as we all know, you can't take it with you...)
---StrongAxe on 5/14/11

Axey: Miller's timetable was correct. It was the interpretation of the "cleansing of the sanctuary" that was erroneously believed to be the second coming of Jesus. Don't you believe that we will all be judged, and that that judgement will have been completed by Jesus' return?

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
---jerry6593 on 5/14/11

\\The "Adventists" of that time (1833-34) were not SDAs, but were multi-denominational, \\

Many still are not.

There is the Christian Adeventist Church, which distinguished itself from the "Sabbath and shut door" faction, now called SDA.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/11

Man... just my luck.... May 21st, that is disturbing why it is right after pay day, oh me what am I gonna do? Who is going to pick up my pay check? Oh! Oh! It's gonna be OK. I forgot I got direct deposit. But, I still might be out fishing... so now what. May 21st is a bad day for me. Ya know the 22nd would be a better day for me.
---Elder on 5/13/11


Yes, I know. Both the Adventists and the Jehovah's Witnesses both evolved from the Millerites. Both the Jehovah's Witness doctrine of Jesus returning invisibly, and the Adventist doctrine of Investigative Judgment were invented to explain why Jesus did not visibly return in 1844 - thus seeking to retroactively validate Miller's predictions which did not come true.

I imagine this same kind fo back-pedalling will start happening on May 22 as well.
---StrongAxe on 5/13/11

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Axey: Your use of the word "returned" implies that you meant that Jesus came back to earth in 1844 - thus the confusion. The "Adventists" of that time (1833-34) were not SDAs, but were multi-denominational, led by one William Miller, a Baptist. SDAs did not exist as a denomination for many more years.
---jerry6593 on 5/13/11

Yes, the earth has always have earthquakes, weather patterns, pestilence, and so on. But Jesus said that during the end times the frequency and the intensity will increase. The metahor he used was the birth pains of a women just about to give birth. It is also written that the end times will be like no other time in history. One single event can cause the whole world into a panic within minutes. Just pray to God that you life and yours is worthy to be spared.
---Steveng on 5/12/11

Ecclesiates 8:5 Who keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing, and a wise Man heart discerneth both time and judgment.
Ecclesiastes 8:6 Because every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is great on him.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent, if therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shall not know what hour I will come upon thee.
---RICHARDC on 5/12/11

Cjmybad, as other bloggers had stated we have been End Times since Pentecost. Weather conditions occurs in cycles. And currently we are in a more sever part of a cycle. There earth quakes that happen every day many of and as well as volcanic activity that happened every day but most of it is at sea and not new worthy. So there is really nothing going on that is out of the ordinary. Christ well return when God the Father wants to send him back. It could be tomorrow or when the sun is ready to go Supernova. But don't put any credence on the May 21, 2011 date as the prediction was made by an idiot for the consumption of idiots.
---Blogger9211 on 5/12/11

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My Mother keeps telling everyone this is the 'end times' because of all the bad weather and disasters around the world. I keep telling her we have ALWAYS had bad weather and disasters around the world, we just didn't hear about them a hundred years ago. We hear news from countries and places that weren't even known about and now we have reporters there on site of every natural disaster.
---cjmybad on 5/12/11


I said: Day Adventists claim Jesus DID returned in 1844 - but is in heaven

The initial claims back then were that Jesus would return on October 12, 1844. When he didn't, wasn't it essentially revised to "he DID return - just not to here, because he's busy in heaven checking the books"? (i.e. isn't our disagreement merely one of semantics, but not of substance?)
---StrongAxe on 5/12/11

Axey: "Seventh Day Adventists claim Jesus DID returned [sic] in 1844"

What??? We most certainly do not! We teach that Jesus entered the most holy compartment of the heavenly sanctuary IN HEAVEN to begin the investigative judgement in 1844 - in fulfillment of the 2300-day prophecy of Daniel (Dan 8:14).

Good grief! Where do you get this stuff?
---jerry6593 on 5/12/11

alan that would be too funny!
---cjmybad on 5/11/11

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cimybad ... I wonder if he will pay the money back if his services are not called upon.

What woould be really interesting, if he and his workers don't realise that they will be saved. Then they will be raptured, and there will be no-one to look after the animals!!
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/11/11

I heard a radio report about someone opened a company that will come out and take care of your pets after you've been 'raptured' He is charging a set fee to take care of any animals you leave behind and guess what? He's got over a thousand people who have signed up for his services. He's located out in Western Massachusetts, not even in the Bible belt of the south.
---cjmybad on 5/11/11


The Bible makes no mention of counting from Noah's Flood. Also, most Bible scholars believe the Creation was around 4000 BC (Bishop Ussher said 4004 BC, Jews say 3760 BCE). Only Harold Camping believes it was 11013 BC, and he uses methods rejected by reputable Biblical scholars.

Modern doomsday prophets predict events in their own lifetimes - chronologies spanning thousands of years just happen to end a few years from now. When their predictions prove to be false, they resort to excuses. Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus DID return in 1914 - invisibly. Seventh Day Adventists claim Jesus DID returned in 1844 - but is in heaven doing an "investigative judgment". Camping said Jesus MAY return in 1996, etc.
---StrongAxe on 5/11/11

7000 year anniversary of the flood of Noah...
---kevin5443 on 5/11/11

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Yes, Jesus DID say: "My kingdom IS not of this world" (i.e. in the present tense). This does not preclude his kingdom from encompassing this world later. Satan is called "god of this world" but that is also not a permanent arrangement.

Jesus said in John 12:47:
"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

Yet in Revelation (later), he does judging aplenty with the sword that comes out of his mouth.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/11

Jerry, I don't believe the people who predicted this at all! I just read about it and wanted to know more about it. I will enjoy reading what the members of the Family Radio Group are going to say on May 22nd. There have been so many false calls through history to mention, my Mom thought the Cuban missial crises was going to be it for us all.
---cjmybad on 5/8/11

There is to be a new heaven and a new earth. Who shall populate the new heaven? Who shall populate the new earth? Who will rein over the new earth?
---Steveng on 5/8/11

Cluny, Do you not believe that YAHUSHUA is coming back again to Earth? Why do you think He is coming back to Earth? (If He's just returning to gather His Saints, He wouldn't have to return to Earth to do that, He could call them all up to Heaven (like a "Rapture"). He's coming back to set up His Kingdom...on Earth. He will reign from Jerusalem. At the end of this Millineal Reign, He will cast Satan and his devils into the Lake of Fire. And, also, then, will the Great White Throne Judgment of the wicked take place. GOD has a reason, and things to prove by having this Thousand-Year-Reign take place. Btw, it will the Earth's Thousand-Year SABBATH of Peace and Rest.
---Gordon on 5/8/11

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And Chirst will make fools of us all!
---John on 5/8/11

Cluny, Read REVELATION 20. That Chapter speaks about the One-Thousand-Year-Reign of YAHUSHUA (JESUS) on Earth. The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb, and nothing shall harm in all the Earth. I think that the Lion/Lamb is also symbolic of YAHUSHUA, Who is both the Lion and the Lamb of GOD.
---Gordon on 5/8/11

Richard ... Don't you think thay we should obey God anyway, love God anyway, love our neighbours anyway, whether or no the time is almost upon us?

That's what Jesus said.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/8/11

Donna: We can always start a new blog if this one runs out. I can't wait to hear from cjmybad on the 22nd.

Besides, I thought the Mayan calendar gave us until Dec. 21, 2012. I feel cheated.
---jerry6593 on 5/8/11

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BTW--if he's wrong about 21 May, will he also be wrong about the "church age" ending in 1988?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/11
You forgot that he,Harold Camping, was also wrong in 1994. He even wrote a book on that one. I can't understand how people can continue to be duped by people like him.
---tommy3007 on 5/8/11

Only 37 replies to this question so far. If we time it right, this blog may still be open by the time the 21st arrives!
---Donna66 on 5/7/11

ALAN 8566 5/7/11 - Does it matter ? The answer is in way we obey God,

Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand.

( this is the reason the May 21 people have to be out there warning the world,)
---RICHARDC on 5/7/11

Does it matter?

Should it make one iota of difference to the way in which we relate God, or to the way in which we obey God, and how we live in this world.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/7/11

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\\Before the Second Coming of YAHUSHUA to Earth to rule and reign for a Thousand Years happens,\\

No such thing.

The millennium is nothing more than a kingdom of this world that comes to an end.

Jesus said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world.'
---Cluny on 5/7/11

Before the Second Coming of YAHUSHUA to Earth to rule and reign for a Thousand Years happens, the Anti-Christ (false Jesus) must rule and reign for a short season. BUT, before these two events take place, the events of MATTHEW 24 must happen, which they seem to be right now. So, in other words, we have a few years before the End of the World actually takes place.
---Gordon on 5/7/11


That is an old trick based on a mathematical fallacy. All paradoxes result from looking at something from a wrong perspective. This one is easily understood by naming each number. "9*3=27" is "amount spent by each man * number of men = amount spent by all men". But "27+2=29" is mixing apples and oranges - adding "amount spent" and "value received". The confusion is between 2 and 3, which when added together equal 5 (coupon value), but which are very close to each other.

The fallacy is unmaked if you change the values. For example, if the coupon is 20, each man pockets 6. Amount spent is 4*3=12 and 12+2=14, which is not even close to 30.
---StrongAxe on 5/6/11

WIVI 5/4/11 - Keep reading MATTHEW 24

MATTHEW 24:48 But if the evil servant says in his heart,My Master delaying his coming,
MATTHEW 24:49 and begin to beat and begins to beat his follow servants,and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
MATTHEW 24,50 The master of that servant will come in a HOUR that he is NOT AWARE of.
( drunkards has to do with people that are spiritually drunk,and can't see the truth)
---RICHARDC on 5/6/11

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//EON is merely a variant spelling of AION, through the Latinized form AEON.//

The spelling of EON is merely a variant spelling of AION.

However, my point was that a clearer meaning is given when we use the word 'age' instead of 'world'.
---aka on 5/5/11

ROD4HIM 5/5/11 - Just sincerely wrong

Coming from the May 21 study, they would say that God has not open your eyes, only the people God is going to save will get this, Just like it was with Noah and his family.

DANIEL 12:9 And he said Go your way Daniel for the words are closed up and time of the end.
DANIEL 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white,and refined,but the wicked shall do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand,but the wise shall understand.
---RICHARDC on 5/5/11

haha Jerry

Scott is having an end of world breakfast

maybe from your betting proceeds we could fund his breakfast (poor guy his math is all mixed up he's not even sure what he's charging lol - yes numbers can be manipulated to say anything at all just ask the skimmers and people who embezzle)

so we can help out Scotts cause ...and then we could have a luncheon and dinner too
---Rhonda on 5/5/11

\\ will you please forgive forgive my in this 'world' or eon?\\

EON is merely a variant spelling of AION, through the Latinized form AEON.
---Cluny on 5/5/11

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II Peter 3:4 also says, "Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."

Although this verse should give some pause for contemplation of the end times, the point is that people need to repent from "following after their own lusts" and follow Christ, being ready for the coming of the Lord.

Hopefully, after May 21st this teaching will be laid to rest, and people will be aware that there are false teachers out there. What I haven't figured out is why these type of people bother deceiving people. I have to assume that they are sincere, just sincerely wrong.
---Rod4Him on 5/5/11

1 THESSALONIANS 5:3 For when they say peace and safety then sudden destruction comes upon labor pain upon a pregnant women, and they shall not escape.

( If you people are wrong that the May 21 is not the day and it turns out it is, then in fourteen days your going to be destroyed - Then the May 21 people were right and Christ came as a thief for you. I fine this a little scary,Lately been thinking adout all the people that said the Titanic could not sink )
---RICHARDC on 5/4/11

Well, at least I'll get to celebrate my 74 birthday on the 17th of May, but not the 48 wedding anniversary which is the 25th of May. Fortunately the moderator is correct, no one really knows the date.
Matthew 24:42 (NASB)
42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.
---wivv on 5/4/11

ION is not related to the Greek word AION. ---Cluny on 5/4/1

you have never thought one thing and typed another? will you please forgive forgive my in this 'world' or eon?
---aka on 5/4/11

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Scott, Deja Vu all over again?
Weren't you ready to party in 1975 with the rest of us?
Many of my (then) friends sold their homes.
Once bit , twice shy!
But, that was then, this is now!
---1st_cliff on 5/4/11

Hehehe--I'll be there Alan!
---Mary on 5/4/11

May 22nd ... party at my place
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/4/11

End of the world party at my house May 21. breakfast to be served in the morning.
Complexity of numbers example. Three men buy dinner for 30 dollars. 10 dollars each. However, they have a coupon for 5 dollars off. They leave a 2 dollars tip and each pocket 1 of the 3 remaining dollars. So each man paid 9 dollars and together left 2 dollar tip. But 9*3=27, 27+2=29. Where is the last dollar. Numbers can be manipulated to say anything.
---Scott on 5/4/11

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\\The word used for 'world' is 'aion' (where we get the word 'ion'. The better translation would be "the age". a specific time frame. the term is generally hyperbolic in use.\\

ION is not related to the Greek word AION.
---Cluny on 5/4/11

\\So, are you one of those people who will rejoyce and send gifts to another when the two prophets are dead?
---Steveng on 5/3/11\\

You don't actually think that Harold Camping is a true prophet, do you?

BTW--if he's wrong about 21 May, will he also be wrong about the "church age" ending in 1988?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/11

\\where is 'end of the the world' found in Scripture?\\

Matthew 28:20.

Thanks, Cluny. I know the phrase is there. I guess I will rephrase the question.

The word used for 'world' is 'aion' (where we get the word 'ion'. The better translation would be "the age". a specific time frame. the term is generally hyperbolic in use.

What my question is...where in the bible does it say the earth will cease to exist (end of the world)?

or do they mean end of the world as we know it?
---aka on 5/4/11


MATTHEW 24:37 But as the Day of NOAH WERE, So also the coming of SON Of Man BE.

( NOAH , The eight Knew the Time of the end, and it will be the same at the time of the end.So the true believers will have to know the Time)

2 THESSALONIANS 5:4 But you brethren, are not in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief.
---RICHARDC on 5/3/11

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Vel_Hobbs : "...don't buy into what man says."

So, are you one of those people who will rejoyce and send gifts to another when the two prophets are dead?
---Steveng on 5/3/11

\\where is 'end of the the world' found in Scripture?\\

Matthew 28:20.
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
---Cluny on 5/3/11

Mr. Camping had set the date several times before, and when his prophecies fail, he puts down a smokescreen. He incorrectly uses mathematical formulas rather than properly interpret the texts. They deny the Trinity, deny the total depravity of man (works righteousness), and believe in the annihilation of souls, which makes it a cult of Christianity. Deuteronomy 18:21-22, Jeremiah chapter 23, Matthew chapter 24, John 10:1-16, 26-30, Galatians 2:4-5, 2Timothy 3:1-9, 2Peter chapter 2, Jude 1:4-18.
p.s. Are his followers selling their property at fire sale prices?
---Glenn on 5/3/11

More Excellent, I too believe we are close also for the Second Coming. If we look at Bible history, we are pretty close to the end of the Bible history. Now that could mean another thousand years, or it could mean two. Too many people have predicted dates. Even when we are told no one knows. They want others to believe they have a special revelation that others don't get. And they want you to believe them. I have seen the signs all around Lodi Ca, and Stockton, and one of my daughter in law saw them for the first time and has been so worried since, because she has three small children and doesn't want anything to happen to them. She calls everyday worried.
---Mark_V. on 5/3/11

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Well, the 21st would be fine with me! I'm ready today!

But I don't really expect anything to happen either day. I think we are getting near, but the Lord isn't going to give us the day and hour in advance. (At least that's the way I read it)

There have been so many things that have happened in my lifetime that I never expected to see.
I won't be one who says, "Oh, Lord, what a surprise!"
---Donna66 on 5/3/11

Very well said!

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Joh 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields, for they are white already to harvest.

Joh 7:6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
---TheSeg on 5/3/11

The very fact that the day has been set proves it is not going to happen. I honestly believe that God will not even allow us to accidentally guess the day because He said no one knows. So give up trying to figure it out. Just be ready for when He decides it's time.
---Reba on 5/3/11

Ahhhhhh.... But is it May 21 on the New or Old Calendar?

(It's an Orthodox thing, you probably wouldn't understand it.)

Laugh, people.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/11

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where is 'end of the the world' found in Scripture?

nobody kno... ah yeeeee ... here I go...oh, sorry...just a flatulent lift off. (i did hear the horn blasting.)
---aka on 5/3/11

Rhonda: "Today I can DEFINITELY say they are liars and on 5/22 I can prove it lol"

Amen! I've offered these nuts a deal previously whereby I'll take any bet at 10:1 odds that the world does not end on 5/21 - payable of course on 5/22.
---jerry6593 on 5/3/11

On a clear night go outside look up at the stars.
Now think about the grains of sand on the earth.
Now try to imagine how many people have walked the earth.
Now look up at the stars again.

The lord said as to the times and seasons.
It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

But take conferred in these words.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

If you believe that, then believe
The Moderator

Are prophets
Im not a prophet
God bless
---TheSeg on 5/2/11

These clowns ALSO say that if world doesn't end then it will end on another day other words they have an out so they can continue to lie to themselves and dupe their enslaved followers

look at it from this point of view

Today is 5/2 as I write this

20 more days it will be 5/22

Today I can DEFINITELY say they are liars and on 5/22 I can prove it lol

Mod is right no man knows the time of return of Christ - not even Christ

believe on Holy Scripture not lying mortal men!!!
---Rhonda on 5/2/11

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Boy, I sure hope not. I'll be outta town that week. I'd hate to miss it or have the Lord to make two trips just because of me.
---Elder on 5/2/11

Jesus told His Disciples when they asked Him for a specific date that no one knows but The Father ... not even Jesus nor the angels. If it is not backed up by The Word Of God, don't buy into what man says.
---Vel_Hobbs on 5/2/11

The group is wrong and has unwittingly embraced the "strong delusion" that has always been in existence.

Today's news media is not reporting many of the important things that are happening today (the government is making them 'pacify and distract us' from what's really happening...corruption and money thievery).

Find out about 'solar flares', HAARP and earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, etc.. The orbits of many planets are changing because of the magnetic pole shift of the earth. The fish and other animal die-offs show how much we have destroyed the environment.

Revelation says that the oceans will become "bitter"/poison and what is in the sea will die (sounds like "the end" is close, doesn't it).
---more_excellent_way on 5/2/11

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