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Protests In USA Streets

In several mid-east countries, people have taken to the streets to protest Government corruption. These people are being massacred by the Government. What do you think would happen if people in the U.S. took to the streets and protested against corruption in the U.S. Government?

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How did Perry use his office to promote prayer? No govt money was used. No law was made. While I do not share Obama's admiration for the religion of Islam, and find it odd that a professed Christian would praise an anti-Christian religion in such a manor, I will, however, defend to the death his right to do so. And for Perry as well. The constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or the FREE EXERCISE THEREOF". Perry is neither a member of congress nor was he creating a law. He made a public statement about his faith, which he, like the president, has every right to do. You can't defend the rights of one man while trampling the rights of another. But that's the liberal way I guess.
---Jed on 8/25/11

NurseRoberts, quit putting words in my mouth I did not say. I did not say Obama has made "proclamations", I said he has given a speech on every Muslim holiday, which is exactly what he's done. Those speeches have gone much farther than simply wishing Muslims a nice holiday. Many of them have lasted for over an hour, he's even gone as far as reciting prayers in perfect Arabic. He has even traveled to Islamic countries to give some of these speeches. He did not give a speech in honor of Easter, he mentioned Easter one time while giving a speech about the economy saying "I think there is something about a resurrected Christ that puts it all in perspective." That was it, no speech specifically dedicated to the holiday.
---Jed on 8/25/11

Jed, it amazes me how the truth gets bent. First off, A presidential proclamation is an instrument that "states a condition, declares a law and requires obedience, recognizes an event or triggers the implementation of a law." He never made a "proclamation" for any Muslim holiday. I challenge you to prove me wrong. He has made statements wishing muslims a good holiday. What you have conviently failed to mention is that he also made statments about Easter.

You should try researching yourself instead of listeing to the talking heads.

As far as Perry.. No one is saying he can't pray, or encourage people to pray, but he cannot use his political office to sponsor a Christian event. And that is what he did.
---NurseRobert on 8/24/11

NurseRoberts, setting up or participating in a prayer rally is in no way mandating prayer. How would he be able to do anything not as governor since he is the governor? Constitutionally, he is free to practice his religion openly, just not make laws about religion. Obama has given a religious speech praising Islam on every single muslim holiday since he has taken office. That's right, he hasn't missed a single one. He has however failed to even recognize many major christian Holidays, let alone giving a speech. Yes he hasn't been threatened with a lawsuit for using his office in such a manor. Religious freedom has to be for all, not just some. Everyone in this country is free to practice their religion openly, except Christians.
---Jed on 8/24/11

In the future(and in my opinion the near future) chaotic social conditions will exist in this country as well as world wide. All this is but the beginning of total breakdown(in society) it is this total breakdown which will be cured but by the Antichrist, that will cause him to be worshiped by many. For example crime will be stamped out. How? It all has to do with the mark of the beast and the satellites overhead. Today it used to tell the car's position. Tomorrow every person's position will be known.
---mima on 8/24/11

Jed, I did my research and it seems you didn't.

Perry was using his office as Governor, along with the American Family Association (AKA "National Federation for Decency" founded by Donald Wildmon) to set up this rally.

While you may not agree with it, a state cannot sponsor religious rally. If Perry wants to have a prayer/campaign rally let him do so without using his public office.

---NurseRobert on 8/24/11

NurseRoberts, first you need to get one thing correct. Gov. Perry did not use his office to "sanction religion". He merely ASKED other christians to pray with him. He did not propose making it a law to pray. So, yes, that is denying freedom when a leader can't even ask (not demand) people to pray with him without people trying to sue him.
---Jed on 8/22/11

NurseRoberts, so you think we should let it get to the point of the govt busting down churches before we defend our rights? This was the mistake they made during the holocaust. There were many who tried to take a stand, the problem was, they tried too late. The holocaust did not just appear one day, it happened in small steps, slowly stripping away people rights until one day they were all slaves and there was nothing they could do about, because they failed to act when people just tried to tell them they can't ask people to pray, or they can't discipline their kids, or they can't keep the money they work for, or to pay for other people's abortions, or when Hitler blamed everyone's problems on them because they were religious and successful.
---Jed on 8/22/11

And don't forget, this is not "your" country, this is OUR country. Get over it.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11

It's not yours/ours either. It is GOD's. GOD rewards "his" own what he will. You have enjoyed the blessings fulfilled in scripture to "his own".
Those bowing the knee as you to abortionist, sodomite promotion don't get it. But then, they were never intended to.
Deut 32:8
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

9 For the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
---Trav on 8/21/11

Tell me Jed, do you still get to worship each day? Week? Has the government broke down your door and forced you to Stop? So its not near extinction, is it?

Since when have I not been able to say Jesus in public? Since when have YOU not been able to speak of Jesus? What liberal has sued you? What liberal has sued any private individual for worshiping God? The group suing Perry is doing so because he is the Governer, and as such, cannot use his office to sanction religeon. You do understand the 1st Amendment don't you?

And do you still carry a gun? I do. And I dont even belong to a "well regulated militia".

I would be more inclined to take you serious if you didn't use so much hyperbole.
---NurseRobert on 8/21/11

The freedom of religion has been trampled almost to the point of extinction. The freedom of speech, you can't even say the words "Jesus" or "God" in public without being sued by some liberal. Look what happened to Gov. Rich Perry who simply asked people to pray for our economy and liberals where declaring his statement unconstitutional. No, it's the exact opposite, the constitution is what gave him the right to say that. You have liberal government taking away parents rights to lead their own family by trying to dictate how you discipline you kids. They are trying to taken away our rights to bear arms, and to some extent have been successful at that.
---Jed on 8/19/11

In the US, it's time for christians to take this country back from liberals who are destroying our freedom and trampling our rights. That's what the founders of this nation did and it's time for christians to take a stand once again.
---Jed on 8/18/11

Are you kidding? Just what freedoms have been taken away? What rights have been trampled on?

And don't forget, this is not "your" country, this is OUR country. Get over it.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11

British statesman Edmund Burke said it simply and accurately, Evil flourishes when good men do nothing. He said this in reference to the holocaust, in which more than 6 million people where brutally murdered, and even more enslaved. In the US, it's time for christians to take this country back from liberals who are destroying our freedom and trampling our rights. That's what the founders of this nation did and it's time for christians to take a stand once again.
---Jed on 8/18/11

Trav, i was using your words as a springboard (not a rebuttal) but, there are those who only say "Messiah" or Christ but never clearly delineate or identify their Messiah by name.
---aka on 8/9/11

Figured as much. But, posted to be clear on Michael.

i'll accept and be greatful to eat crumbs and have. You eat your fill first. will accept what you don't want.
i am a prodigal son, who should have died years ago but for the mercy of GOD....and me mom's prayers.
Luke 12:48
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
---Trav on 8/10/11

Trav and cluny,

i was comparing the two Christs that are either witnessed in the Bible by the prophets and the Christ that some others speak of from a few twisted verses.

the reason why i usually say Jesus Christ is to distinguish and separate myself as best that i can from those who speak a false Christ.

Trav, i was using your words as a springboard (not a rebuttal) but, there are those who only say "Messiah" or Christ but never clearly delineate or identify their Messiah by name.

Mine is Jesus Christ, Immanuel, the Word, the Governor...first to the chosen then to the dogs. i am a pure-breed mutt.
---aka on 8/9/11

Thank you for your patience and your explanation.
---Allan on 8/8/11

Allan, appreciate you too. Know how i come across in 125 words. Try 2 present what is not preached/taught. (Not taught is a witness...right) .
Scripture witnesses best, but not enough room here for all it unify's either. The searcher will look for his/herself.
Below is one of several on heathen question.
Psalm 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Is or has this happened? Is GOD bad for doing what he does. Would you protect/defend unify your He did too. Relationship is the context of scripture, Gen-Rev.
---Trav on 8/9/11

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As an amateur historian I am acutely aware that the USA, the greatest nation on earth, was brought about by protest and open rebellion. Governments in power never willingly give up that power. But the right of the people to protest, to freely assemble, and to speak freely completely freely, must never never be infringed upon.
For example I believe being forced to get a permit for a March is an infringement upon the right to free assembly.
---mima on 8/9/11

\\there is a man named Jesus who really is the incarnation of Michael the Archangel from five, very loose references from Scripture. Thus, the "biblical" Christ.
can I get a witness? \\

Nope. At best, a false witness.

The Logos (pre-incarnate Jesus) CREATED Michael the Archangel.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/11

.....there is a man named Jesus who really is the incarnation of Michael the Archangel from five, very loose references from Scripture. Thus, the "biblical" Christ.
can I get a witness?
---aka on 8/9/11

If you find witnesses show us.
I've never suggested this or looked to resolve this.
It is secondary to GOD marrying Israel. Putting away Israel, in part and remarrying Israel in whole.
The witnessed facts of the Marriage/Divorce/Remarriage nullify's the Archangel/Jesus theory.
It nullify's most misunderstandings and modern "man" doctrines in NT.
Christ died...former wife is released. New Covenant is begun.
Ten Virgins? Coins,servants,lepers,brethrenand cities etc.
---Trav on 8/9/11

//Prophets/Apostles and Christ.//

let's see...

there is Christ:

Jesus, son of God, spoken by the prophets/apostles in scripture and there is a man named Jesus who really is the incarnation of Michael the Archangel from five, very loose references from Scripture. Thus, the "biblical" Christ.

can I get a witness?
---aka on 8/9/11

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Thank you for your patience and your explanation.
---Allan on 8/8/11

Trav, ....And if your answer is yes, please could you tell me what you believe?
---Allan on 8/5/11

I believe GOD. And his Son. After wandering in the denominational and self logic wilderness for 40 years.

I believe in all his witnesses, these take the written form of statements recorded by the Prophets/Apostles and Christ.
They unify all scripture.

What is not said is also a witness and can be found by re-searching the witnesses.
Psalm 9:5
Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.
---Trav on 8/8/11

Protesting can accomplish some good. And it certainly is a right of American citizens. However, it is up to the individual believer to decide whether or not it is "Christian".

I can see no relationship between protests and Jesus' command to "go into all the world and preach the good news to every creature".
I believe Christ was referring to the GOSPEL...which, though it may agitate some people, is not the same as "protest" against government policy.
---Donna66 on 7/21/11

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I was named in a $39 million lawsuit for merely praying across the street from the abortuaries. I hope my poor prayers did them that much damage.
Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 7/20/11

Frankly I'm shocked. Gathered from previous post you were a poser in command supporter.

You would be in direct violation of poser's platform,... praying against killer's of the undborn.
Thee have 39million credits of testiment for ye.

(Nurses united for posers, will not appreciate your efforts going against their saviour king indirectly in prayer.
Psalm 106:41
And he gave them into the hand of the heathen, and they that hated them ruled over them.
---Trav on 7/21/11

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Protesting is a very good thing, especially in the face of injustice. Jesus Almighty commands: "Go you all into all the world and PREACH the good news to every creature, preach on the name of him, Get Right and let go from sins, to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem." For the silent voice is the dead voice, which condones whatever current policy is being implemented and practiced. Yes indeed, in America you most certainly can fight City Hall, and legally bring public exposure to any and every injustice, and even rightly win victories for the citizens.
---Eloy on 7/21/11

Protesting shows that one has an angry heart about some cultural event. Whatever happened to blesses are the peacekeepers?

Psalm 34:14
Psalm 35:20
Proverbs 11:12
Proverbs 12:20
Isaiah 48:22
Matthew 5:9

If you love others one will not attend protests for protests bring nothing but fear and anguish. These are the endtimes and terrors has encompassed the world. One cannot protest against what is to come.
---Steveng on 7/20/11

We know that whenever you have mean people in charge, then the people are treated meanly. Protesting only goes so far, for as long as you continue to have cruel individuals inside the government, then the people will suffer. Somnetimes Americans do take to the streets, and protest with signs and bullhorns on certain issues.
---Eloy on 7/20/11

\\It is time Christians stopped expecting non-Christians to behave like Christians.\\

Good point.
---Cluny on 7/20/11

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Comments about my bad, anti-protesting, behavior?
---Sag on 7/19/11

Thank you.

I must say, that nowhere in the NT do I see the church protesting against the government of the time.

As a matter of fact, Peter tells believers to be under subjection to them and to not complain, because God has given the rulers their authority.

For our churches to protest the government is incorrect. As individuals, we can protest, but we should acknowledge that we might be outside the will of God when we do so. Also, any negative consequences received should be viewed as discipline from God.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/20/11

Comments about my bad, anti-protesting, behavior?

---Sag on 7/19/11
I agree
It is time Christians stopped expecting non-Christians to behave like Christians. Make them Christian first then clean behavior with HS help. Analogy: you do not get clean (behavior) before taking a shower (accepting Jesus). Why do we expect non-christians to do so.
---Scott on 7/20/11

The answer to the question is an historical fact. We know and have experienced the killings, the beatings, the arrests and the imprisonments.

Where Christians are concerned, the question is a different one.

What does God, the Creator of the universe, expect from you who call yourself by His name?

The answer is simple and direct and it is written in Micah 6:8 ..."To do justly, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."

Oh, how far away we have strayed from the direct and simple instructions of the Eternal Father!
---Allan on 7/20/11

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Adult Materials On Bookstore Shelves
CIA Actions In Foreign Countries\\

Christianity is itself an alternative lifestyle.

I was named in a $39 million lawsuit for merely praying across the street from the abortuaries. I hope my poor prayers did them that much damage.

Adults have the right to read anything they want to. The problem is not that salacious material exists, but that people want it.

I don't know how I feel about the CIA. In a perfect world, it would not be necessary. I've heard of missionaries being arrested, imprisoned, tried, and tortured for being CIA plants.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 7/20/11

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Jesus preached to crowds. He did NOT stage "demonstrations" against the evils of his day - arena cruelty, Roman imperialism and idolatry, taxes used to fund these etc. The closest he came was when he overturned the temple moneychangers' tables - and that NOT a "peaceful demonstration". The closest equivalent you might see today is angrily going into your OWN church and flipping over tables at a church-run potlock or rummage sale.

Others may feel "led" to do things like protest, but that's THEIR conscience, and THEIR decision, not yours. If God is telling them to do that, they have no cause to complain unless God is ALSO telling YOU to do that, and that's between you and God, not you and them.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/11

Sag-- I would have been "disobedient" (to them) and "slothful" too. I wouldn't own up to the "sinful" part, though, unless they could show me where Jesus said, in word or by example, that we should protest! I'm quite sure I'd ask them just what Jesus did have to say about the CIA? (I'd try to be polite enough not to laugh out loud). But I can't see myself being with a crowd like that, anyhow.

These are most often college students or unencumbered young people. But even when I was young, I didn't see protest as particularly "Christian" thing to do. When others were protesting the war in Viet Nam, I was caring for the wounded from that war.

---Donna66 on 7/20/11

I'd like to ask other people's opinion now.

In the following situations, I was asked to be part of these church protests, but refused:

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Many church folks told me that I was being Disobedient, Slothful, and SINNING, by not volunteering my time for these church protests. Add to that list my unwillingness to be a part of a civil disobedience drama, and get an arrest record as the reward.

Comments about my bad, anti-protesting, behavior?
---Sag on 7/19/11

Short version: Oliver North was a right wing Marine LTC. He was involved in illegally selling weapons to Iran, then working to funnel the money to the Contra fighters in Nicaragua.

When it was made public he testified before congress. North admitted that he had lied to Congress and shredding documents.

North was tried in relation to his activities while at the NSA. He was convicted of accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents.

The ACLU helped get the conviction overturned because he had been granted limited immunity by Congress.
---NurseRobert on 7/19/11

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they would be massacred also.
---kevin5443 on 7/19/11


Oliver North was caught up in the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s, in which the U.S. military secretly sold weapons to Iran in exchange for hostages. The proceeds from these sales were used to secretly fund the Contra rebel groups who were opposing the Nicaraguan government.
---StrongAxe on 7/19/11

\\Then why are the ACLU always the ones who file the lawsuit?\\

Not true.

The Thomas More Law Center, ACLA (American Catholic Lawyers Association), and ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) have filed and won suits protecting the rights of conservative people, including pro-lifers.

This is NOT to say that the ACLU does not have an agenda. They refused to defend pro-lifers whose constitutional rights were being threatened.

\\ Who is Ollie North?\\

He was a US Marine Lt. Colonel who had a prominent part in the Iran-Contra scandal in the 80's. Obvious, a mere LtC doesn't have that much power, so he was clearly a fall guy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/11

The answer is most likely that the people would be massacred in the streets. Remember Kent University?

As an old history teacher I would like to point out to you that our country came into being through revolution!! I do not believe in making the people get permits to have protest marches, I do not believe in any restrictions on free speech or the expression thereof.
---mima on 7/19/11

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Nurse Roberts
Then why are the ACLU always the ones who file the lawsuit? Who is Ollie North?
---Scott on 7/19/11

But, what is of little notice is how the "rights" of the conservatives are being taken away by the ACLU in law suits.
---wivv on 7/15/11

What "rights" have been taken away from conservatives by the ACLU? The ACLU has NO power to take anyone's rights.

If conservatives have lost anything, its because the court system took them away. Don't blame the ACLU for standing up for what they believe is unconstitutional.

The ACLU does not just defend the left, they also defend the right. Just ask Ollie North.
---NurseRobert on 7/19/11


For all their faults and bias, the ACLU takes the rights of free speech and protest very seriously. In one infamous case, they even supported the rights of Nazis to march through a predominantly Jewish area of Skokie IL - a VERY unpopular position.


Just because some things are contitutional, that does not mean the government recognizes them as such. Many provisions of the Patriot Act are blatantly unconstitutional, yet they still stand. Many times when George W. Bush spoke publicly (and paid for by our tax dollars), anyone wearing shirts in way critical of him were detained by the FBI and refused entry - a blatant violation of freedom of speech.
---StrongAxe on 7/19/11

Donna5535--- People don't go to jail because of "protesting", but because of disturbing the peace or "blocking access" somewhere...and then resisting the police.

Mike. If protests have been ineffective, what brought about racial integration in schools? and later Civil Rights Legislation? Do you think they had no effect on ending the Viet Nam War? (The US could have stayed).

But will protests put an end to war? Never. It's like protesting crime. Nobody wants it, but nobody knows how to stop it.
---Donna66 on 7/17/11

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There was a church that my friend attended. Pastor preached that Christians SHOULD be actively involved in protesting what GOD hates in our American society. Somebody mentioned that letting yourself be arrested is letting yourself be used by GOD to get the message out.

I was immediately put on the defensive because I DON'T get involved in protests. I DON'T believe that Christians need to cause more trouble for the police and be arrested. I'll bet that GOD hates civil disobedience as much as HE hates the other ills in our society.

I almost burst out laughing when my friend told me that his Pastor doesn't attend any protests. Wasn't that the one who ADVOCATED protesting? Hypocrite or what?
---Sag on 7/17/11

KarenD, I remember the Civil Rights Protest of the 50's and 60's.

I remember the protest against Viet-Nam.

I remember Kent State.

I remember people being brutaly beaten and killed.
---Rob on 7/17/11

Rob...You must be very young as you don't seem to remember that Americans have protested many times against the government. Just ask Rosa Parks when you get to heaven.
---KarenD on 7/16/11

Maybe ones in the U.S. have been getting softened against war so they aren't going to fight the government. And there are enough middle class people who get enough so they aren't going to rise up, while also being a buffer class so the poor and troubled would have to get through the middlers to reach the top. May be this was planned, pretty clever if it was. "You have the right to assemble," ones are told. But they do have the right to bear arms against tyrannical government, if I remember right. But my citizenship is with Jesus. I defected. "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews" (in John 18:36).
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/16/11

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What did Jesus do? Remember when the Jews were 'protesting' about the woman caught in adultery (corruption)

'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'
---Peter on 7/15/11

just think about it this way. If Americans protest and get arrested, we get free room and, free food.
---shira3877 on 7/15/11

Rob, Many protests have taken place here in the United States and I think it's our constitutional right to protest. I don't do it because I don't believe it accomplishes anything. To me, praying is more Powerful.

But if people protest in the US regarding Government Corruption, they won't go to jail for it - because they are protected under the Constitution of the United States unless I'm missing something here.
---Donna5535 on 7/15/11

\\But, what is of little notice is how the "rights" of the conservatives are being taken away by the ACLU in law suits. \\

Can you give specific examples, with names, places, and dates, wivv?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/11

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is corruption the only issue people protest in this country? there was the war, the killing of certain people, races.
the people protested. nothing happened.
unless you break the law.
---mike on 7/15/11

Right now, a person might be able to protest in the streets of the U.S, because most of the protest are liberal based. But, what is of little notice is how the "rights" of the conservatives are being taken away by the ACLU in law suits. The day is coming when no one will be able to "take it to the streets", not even the liberals.
---wivv on 7/15/11

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