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Holy Spirit Church Building

Do you think the Holy Spirit has been left out in the church building process?

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 ---KarenD on 8/4/11
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Absolutely, yes. Most of them. How sad that is. God is so much fun. Great sense of humor He has. He never laughs at sins. Takes great delight in His people. Lets enjoy Him. We don't go around, sit around, as though we are sooo religious sucking on lemons. God chooses real people.
---catherine on 8/1/13

Karen, the Holy Spirit is working miracles in China. Creating many home churches in one province I know of, Yunnan. I saw film of several home churches that do not belong to the State churches. They still have to be careful not to make a lot of waves or bring too much attention to themselves. But I saw many gathering together and helping each other.
God is at work all over the world seeking and saving many.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/13

Hello,Family ..wonder where is (with all Respect) bro.Steveng ??
anybody seen him on here lately?
miss his posts

---lidia4796 on 7/27/13

shira3877, I could have written your post. we also have a family that comes for food and won't come to church either. she is there when she needs food. my pastor even found a homeless man asleep in our fellowship hall. he invited him to church. the homeless man said I need food but I don't need church. its hard to get someone under preaching if they are hungry.
---shira4368 on 7/26/13

Hello ,God bless,reading this Sis.KarenD. post about her ministry,church,etc.. that exactly,how it should have been church I used to attend.Someone asked a while back How many pastors they had already? It been 4 at least, people need help,depend upon a ministry ( some really do need help for real)

it seems you all really put in your best for God highest! God bless the ministries who really are serious & go the extra mile! Amen.
---lidia4796 on 7/26/13

Psalm 127:1 says that unless the Lord builds the house, they that build it labor in vain. We need to not only let God build the church/ministry, but also our lives, future, and destiny, or it will all be for nothing.
---Leslie on 8/10/11

I believe it is the Truth of the Word of God being taught that draws people to churches.

Jesus taught on a hill and the crowds were called "multitudes."

The Word draws people. Truth draws people.

Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.

The Entrance of the Word giveth light.

People want to hear truth. They want to see how the bible can be applied to their lives and what Jesus can do for them. I.e., healing their ailments.
---Donna5535 on 8/10/11

mark, your post to John is right on target. My baptist church does not turn away hungry people either. I do find the same ones keep coming back for more hand outs but are never in church. I have personally given money to individuals who are hungry. We had a special offering for a lady in our community whose home burned. I also gave her money. She will still visit some sunday nights and ask for money.
---shira_3877 on 8/10/11

I am finding that some who post on this question don't have a clue about what churches are actually doing. We live next door to the church and are on call 24/7. The church has a food pantry and occasionally help with utilities. We receive clothing donations quite often and ALWAYS have someone in our community who need them. God is building the church congregation by bringing back young families who left because of the constant turnover in pastors now that they see a couple who love them and consider this community their life work.
---KarenD on 8/9/11

Many churches are closed Monday through Saturday. Many of those who do help the poor do so by handing them an address to a local government agency. There are still many who will not help unless you belong to their church. Most christians say they help when they pay taxes to the government and tithes to the church, but what these christians don't realize is that God wants them to become personally involved with the poor, not rely on the government or your denominational church. The true church of God are christians who act on a personal level with genuine love.
---Steveng on 8/8/11

//I was referring to the efforts of some churches to figure out a way to help build the church in numbers.// KarenD

The best way to expand the church is to do everything nessecary and possible short of sin to get non-christians in church. In the state of SC there are 4.6 million people. Approx 30%% of these people go to a weekly church service. Quick math 1.4 million in church and 3.2 million out of church. What group is larger and where can you find more people, aka the non-church side. If it takes rock music do it. If it takes helping poor do it. If it takes soft music, dancing, lights, marriage counseling, beach trip, GT40 sports car. so that they will hear Christ that is a win.
---Scott1 on 8/8/11

John, when you speak please speak the Truth. I know of no church who closes the doors to the poor or hungry. Maybe you were hungry and someone didn't give you food, but if you came to our Baptist church and the Pentacostal Church I attended, the doors will be open and they will feed you, teach you and cloth you. I myself will do it. I will not give you pork since your conscience still tells you it is sin even though God said, don't call unclean what God has cleansed. As we are told in Romans 14, that if somebody like you have that kind of thing in their conscience we are not to push things off on them, by using our liberty to make them stumble, for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink. but righteousness, peace and Joy and the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/11

Good point Mima!

As nearly ALL of these Social Clubs(AKA: Churches) do their witnessing, giving and Gospel within the walls of their clubs.

They're Self-serving Social Clubs for MEMBERS ONLY!

They even eat the Fatted Pig Feast of Potluck amongs themselves.

Never opening the doors to bring in the hungry and the poor!

Locking their doors to Both the Physical and the Spiritual hungry and poor.

But hey! Emmas Potato Salad suuurree tasted good! mmm mmm mmm!!!

(Whats in that Green Jello?)
---John on 8/7/11

Acts 7:48,"Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands, as saith the prophet,"
If you are a Christian you are the temple in which God dwells.
Christians have chosen to put churches on every street corner rather than witness one-on-one to the lost about Jesus. This is a form of "copout".
Scriptures say go ye into all the world, question, how can you go and you are setting in a church?
---mima on 8/7/11

I've been out of town for a week and you guys are really letting me have it. You are posting comments to me when I haven't even responded other than the original question. I was referring to the efforts of some churches to figure out a way to help build the church in numbers. I'm torn as to whether these methods should be used, particularly in the push to get the younger generation to come to church by new methods.
---KarenD on 8/6/11

KarenD, who can thwart the Almighty God? No one. It's not the Holy Spirit that has been left out, rather God has left them out of His "church" because they are never His to begin with, if you believe in the covenant of grace through election.

When Christ gave the great commission to His disciples, there was not a mention of "go forth and build churches" at all. Building the physical church by hands is man's vain thoughts thinking they can please God and boasting of how great they are doing God's work, but "God does not dwell in temples made by hands".

The question is: how many people has God not chosen so that His Spirit will not dwell among them. All praise and glory to the Lord Jesus Christ.
---christan on 8/6/11

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oh...i can't say Merry Christmas at work anymore. i have to say Happy Holidays.

I am soooooo persecuted!

it seems that cluny spells the word the same, but carries a much different meaning. cluny's other responses to things like "the rapture" show that he knows the meaning and is willing to deal with the inevitable.
---aka on 8/5/11

//Remember God's will, God's bill. If He has called you to do something he will make a way for you to make the payments.?//

Amen Scott! Glad your church isn't tied to a "building".
---Donna66 on 8/5/11

\\Don't you get persecuted?\\

Yes. By you. You compared me with the devil when all I wanted you to do was to get you to use some discernment.

\\ I do, sometimes by my own family because they think they're going to heaven because as my sister put it,.\\

I think it's more likely mere disapproval because you're making yourself obnoxious in the name of Jesus.

Believe it or not, Donna, I really doubt God has revealed to you just who is going to heaven and who shan't. And your family probably doesn't, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/11

It occurred to me that KarenD's question is ambiguous.

Does she mean "church building process" as in establishing a congregation?

Or does she men "church building process" as in erecting an edifice to meet?

Maybe if that were clarified, we'd have a more intelligent conversation here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/11

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We are currently a portable church meaning we have to pack up the equipment every week after service. Since losing our orginial church building we have had room to grow, more vistors, more parking room, lower rent, more volunteer opportunities. This has been the best thing for our church. If you are following the HS in other areas you will follow HS in finding or building a venue to have services. Remember God's will, God's bill. If He has called you to do something he will make a way for you to make the payments. It is tempting to go look for land and build a church building but God has not released us yet. As far as I know we are the largest portable campus in the US so we could build a building.
---Scott1 on 8/5/11

//Yes, and it also says that the Jews were persecuting Christians. Do you want to go back to those, days, too? Do you want those things to come back, too?
---Cluny on 8/4/11//

Cluny, I don't know what cave you've been hiding in lately, but PERSECUTION IS STILL GOING ON with Gentile Christians as well as Jewish people.

Don't you get persecuted? I do, sometimes by my own family because they think they're going to heaven because as my sister put it, "She's a good person." Her Catholic upbringing is leading her to believe she's going to heaven all because of HER goodness. I tell her the truth and get persecuted.

So Persecution is STILL going on...your argument on this is null and void.
---Donna5535 on 8/5/11

Karen D, the question you asked only divides believers. Why then don't we all who are born of the Spirit just gather at StevenG home or Mima's, all 20 or so millions of us, and lets not call it a church or a denomination because if we do it is of satan, and lets not pay the bills because if we do it is of satan. Suggesting if we gather in their houses there is no sin. Satan cannot enter their homes. Rediculous. Sin abounds everywhere not just in visible churches.
The apostles did gathered in homes. The Church was just beginning. Members were not in the millions. Stop persecuting the Churches of Christ where true believers gather. Of course there is bad ones, with wrong doctrines, but not all of bad. Stop complaining and find a good church.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/11

KarenD, I think you already have decided on the only answer you're going to accept.

\\Acts says they gathered from house to house and they sold everything they had and gave to whoever had need.\\

Yes, and it also says that the Jews were persecuting Christians. Do you want to go back to those, days, too? (BTW, this still goes on in Israel.)

And if you're so enamored with the first century primitive Christians, remember they had a shorter life span, no electricity, abdominal surgery without anesthetic, women dying in childbirth, and high infant mortality.

Do you want those things to come back, too?

Primitive Christianity is just that: primitive.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/11

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no, i think the church building process has been left out by the Holy Spirit (who cares for the building the Lord's temple in all of us.
---aka on 8/4/11

Your worldly denominational churches have denied the growing power of God and instead have used worldly marketing concepts to attract people to help fill their coffers. They use entertainment, sports, various group activities aimed a certain demographics, classes, car washes, money making schemes, etc, to attract the masses - anything to make the church a more exciting place to worship. The apostle Paul explained that he had planted churches, Apollos had watered, but it was God who gave the increase (1 Corinthians 3:6). The watering part was providing genuine love to the members and others.
---Steveng on 8/4/11

Donna appears to have the correct answer.
---mima on 8/4/11

Was He ever in it? I don't think He was ever in it in the first place- I believe man started the "church building process."

Acts says they gathered from house to house and they sold everything they had and gave to whoever had need.

Does the church need a building? Since we are the church, we can gather anywhere for Worship and to hear the Word taught.

Jesus preached on a mountain, in a boat, in the synagogue, everywhere He went, he preached the Word of God.
---Donna5535 on 8/4/11

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Why do you think He has?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/11

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