Giving To God
When I sit down in the dentist chair, my dentist and I exchange new truths we have discovered since the last appointment. This week his new truth was "The only thing a person can give to God is obedience." Is that true? I am still pondering.
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---Geraldine on 8/25/11
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Geraldine. A-men sister. Our Savior says, "If you all me, my commandments keep." Jn.14:15. And his commandments are not grievous but a joy for us to keep. They are summed up into two, Love the Lord Jesus first and completely, and also love others as we love ourselves. And this love is a verb, "love one another" is an action word, which is doing and serving from our hearts, mainly "Do and say to others exactly as we want others to do and say to us: Share the gospel, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the shut-ins and prisoners, be a friend to the friendless, help the helpless, and be a father to the fatherless, etc.
---Eloy on 9/10/11|
AKA as a person with accounting background i have to really question whether "increase" is based on gross income or net worth. The way that i read scripture is the latter.
it is the net i believe, whats left after taxes and social security, OR those teaching Gros tithe should also accept tithe counts only until pension. (since the tithe was allready given in the gros). also the third tithe was the tithe of the "third year" rather then 30%.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11|
Eloy, being a "doer of the Word" has always been my greatest challenge. Thank you for reminding us about the importance of it!
---Geraldine on 9/9/11|
Geraldine, yes they are all a part of obedience. Obedience reveals the souls love for their God. God is impressed with "Doers" and not "Lip-servers" only. God says, "Do you love me?" and the Christian says, "Yes Lord, you know that I love you", then God says, "Prove it by ministering to my people."
---Eloy on 9/8/11|
Eloy, I think the dentist meant that scripture instructs us to love, honor, worship and praise God, so they are PART of the obedience we give.
---Geraldine on 9/2/11|
//Sons of Jakob?// God is directly addressing children of Jacob Mal 3:6. Mal 3:9 ...for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you.
my point is that the one verse is used to guilt many out of money. if i tithe according to the Law, i should not put it in an offering plate. where is the storehouse? where is "love offering" in Scripture?
as a person with accounting background i have to really question whether "increase" is based on gross income or net worth. The way that i read scripture is the latter.
God knows the nature of my lack of increase and my responsibilities. but, He also knows that He can compel me to be generous much more than a paltry 10% when i think that i cannot.
---aka on 9/2/11|
A person can give many things to God, love, honor, worship, praise, service, as well as obedience.
---Eloy on 9/1/11|
upon Malachi, i accept and i give nothing that's broken for the church.
i donot accept divorce in church, neither polygamie.
i accept that salvation is also for the GENTILE (me)
i donot rob God in witholding HIS tithes or change good with bad offerings.
I ACCEPT that this is GOD's Doing and choosing and nothing of my own (Jacob have i loved but esau i hated compare Romans 9:9-13)
---andy3996 on 9/1/11|
Sons of Jakob? Cmon you know well enough that we are SONS OF Abraham in Christ, (Romans 4:16)what John said (Matthew3:9) abou the stones, we (gentiles) are these stones. we are the wild grafted in Christ(Compare Rom11)
JOHN 8:39 Abraham's children do what Abraham did (that includes tithes of faith)
Galatians 3:7 (read all Galatians about faith or law)
FOR ABRAHAM GAVE A TITHE OF ALL to the king of Righteousness. (IN FAITH, IN FAITH) SO IF Christ is not the King of RIGHTEOUSNESS, then YOUr not supposed to give
we all know that the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE IS THE CHURCH, yet due lack of space, i canot enter deeper in subject
---andy3996 on 9/1/11|
andy, are we the sons of Jacob? are we priests? where is the storehouse?
we take tithe literal, but ignore the rest of the instructions in Malachi.
if i make a $1,000/mo and give $50 and my neighbor makes $10,000/mo and gives $1,000, which is more generous. to you as a missionary, the latter is better, to God the former. Our generosity is not His generosity.
---aka on 8/31/11|
Mike, instead of going through all your complains and why this and that, you should have just said what you wanted to say in the first place, what you just did.
You wanted to call all other Hypocrites. Ok, so you got it out of your system. Now that wasn't hard was it?
---Mark_V. on 8/31/11|
bunch of hypocrites
---mike on 8/31/11|
MIKE i believe you didn' catch the clue of what i said, my bad.
Malachi 3 talks about robbing (GOD v8),
cursedbecause dissobedience (v9)
blessing upon your work (v10-12)by giving in obedience
ABRAHAM OBEYED THE LORD in giving His TITHE Genesis 14:20) yet he was blessed upon his work before.
JESUS REBUKED the scribes to make tithes more important then the essence of the LAW JUDGEMENT MERCY, FAITH.
yet he said "we should give without neglecting these things
therfore a worker who gives tithes in obedience and love will receive spiritually morally and naturally God's blessing. thats all i said...
Jacob and abraham gave the tithe before thelaw
---andy3996 on 8/30/11|
Mike, what really is your complain? I read three post and I cannot tell. What is it that you want to really say? You don't want to give money for the cause, that is up to you. You don't have to. No one is forcing you. The pastor who said you were a sinner (self) is right. Did he cause you to not have a relationship? No. He cannot speak for you.
Should a pastor teach for children to be abusive to their parents? No, to be obedient. He didn't mention the abusive parents because the topic was not the subject. Jesus said, to honor our father and mother. Are you questioning His words because He did not speak of the abusive parents? So I don't get what your complain is. There has to be a purpose somewhere.
---Mark_V. on 8/30/11|
I would rather work than believe in malachi. working is more authentic & IT IS obedience bec. from adam to Paul they all worked not use malachi as a money making verse.
---mike on 8/29/11|
a pastor told me that self & I is a sin.
I met this woman & she was reaching out for a RELATIONSHIP but I was rude & pushed her away bec. of what this stupid pastor told me that I is SIN. now I missed that opportunity of having a relationship which is the essence & premise of christianity. 99% of the time many suffer bec. they obeyed a message that is incomplete or destructive.
---mike on 8/29/11|
obedience? the message I heard yesterday was about family & that children SHOULD obey their parents & that parents SHOULD NOT exhust their children. what the pastor DID NOT MENTION IS should children OBEY PARENTS WHO ARE ABUSIVE & who DON't give instructions but only verbal abuse, neglect & indifference.
the damage on the children is great when they grow up & the relationship will be the same ABUSIVE with other people
does that mean when we change we disobey our parents especially the abusive once.
---mike on 8/29/11|
Scott1: Thank you for that great sermon in two sentences!
---Geraldine on 8/29/11|
//The Bible says "Obedience is better than sacrafice". What else could we give God that is better than sacraficing for him?//
---Jed on 8/26/11
The purpose of this quote in Psalm or Samuel by David is that God wants you to follow the Law (obedience) not break the Law then go sacrifice a bull (forgiveness). He just wants you to obey him first. Jews fell in love with the sacrifice instead of the God for the sacrifice.
---Scott1 on 8/29/11|
islamic religion is a false religon.it is just another babylon false religon.allah is not another name 4 God muhaumad himself said he didnt know if he was visited by an angel or demon.plus he recieved this visit while he was n a cave.he also tried 2 commit suicide several times aftr his visit by the demon if it wasn't lucifer himself,bcause the visions were so troubeling
---jason on 8/28/11|
God wants your love first, all the rest will fall into place.
---michael_e on 8/28/11|
All of mankind are blemished. God never told Israel to sacrifice a blemished lamb to make an atonement for their sins but rather an unblemished lamb (and there's only One who's unblemished, and that's Jesus Christ).
Obedience without faith from God can never please Him. And it is the obedience of Jesus Christ that a Christian by faith in Him is what pleases the Father.
"So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:8
---christan on 8/28/11|
I ponder this too, but I'm thinkintg that all I can give to God is myself. I can do nothing of myself, even love if not for Him. He alone is the one who makes us all that we are in Him. It is by His Spirit that I am able to obey...
---chria9396 on 8/26/11|
The Bible says "Obedience is better than sacrafice". What else could we give God that is better than sacraficing for him?
---Jed on 8/26/11|
MIKE, that's the one that many use to exploit. i am not saying that you are but i have believed that and the only people whose mountain increased are people like copeland, hinn, mayer, dollar & murdoch
Just as malachi3 can easily be exploited and twisted.
or a popularly twisted word of Jesus of those that are against tithes (Matthew 23:23) fact is many people misuse the word to make a point.
i rather accept the word as what it is
---andy3996 on 8/27/11|
there is absolutely nothing (including obedience) a person can give except what God adds.
to man, not to murder is good and we pat ourselves on the back and say, "i am obedient." but, to God, if you speak against your brother, you commit murder.
doesn't it follow that our evaluation of ourselves and His commandments is askew as God's commandments (all of them) have a deeper meaning to Him.
your evaluation of your obedience to His Word will not save you.
---aka on 8/27/11|
Geraldine, I agree with most everyone, but Josef's answer was the best. I believe everything already belongs to God, even what we have is because of Him. And what we have is only temporary, with the exception of our salvation. We give to different cause for the glory of God. Because we feel convicted when we see the need of others. But it is God who moves us and convicts us to feel that way. So I believe the dentist is correct.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/11|
Mike, i did specifically say
HIS mountain will increase
refering to the increase of the kingdom of God rather then personal GAIN,
still i know (mostly through experience that he who believes the LORD, and gives in good faith always receives a great blessing (naturally, spiritually physically morally.
this however works only if you give joyfully and obedeeiantly
not as a forced or grudging recolt.
again i believe all prommises of the bible, also the financial ones. but also i am aware many false preachers misuse and misquote to steal from the weak
---andy3996 on 8/27/11|
What are his "therefores"? Not all people mean the same thing by obeying God. "Islam", for example, means "submission", and yet we see where certain people's "submission" is taking them. Surely we Christians are human, too. So, we "might" consider ourselves warned by what others do to get nowhere.
"And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God." (2 Corinthians 8:5) So, I would say obedience first involves giving ourselves to God and to the leaders He trusts, and this is in family love's sharing and caring with our Father and His people, not just being a puppet of what you suppose God wants.
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/26/11|
your last line 'give & your mountain will increase'. that's the one that many use to exploit. i am not saying that you are but i have believed that and the only people whose mountain increased are people like copeland, hinn, mayer, dollar & murdoch.
working, sowing & reaping is also biblical. we are to obey through our ACTIONS not sitting down & hopefully god will hear us & give something in return.
---mike on 8/26/11|
Mike, you don't give tithes
or you don't give tithes by force?
i couldn't completely follow the line. sorry i get like that sometimes.
i myself do give tithes but not as law, rather believeing that God has provided it all.
so rather i must say
i invest a tenth of all that God gave specifically back in the Kingdom, believeing that His will be done and HIS mountain will increase.
---andy3996 on 8/26/11|
I don't give my tithe to succeed or what televangelist say that when you give your 10% you will have $10,000. I work & plan to get more skill.
i don't Deny myself. I recognize myself AS A PERSON given freedom of choice (not a robot or a borg- you will be assimilated resistance is futile), have a relationship with another person, recognize my responsibilites to society.
that is the obedience I think of
you cannot love god by force or bec. somebody else told you through guilt shame blame. you have that choice
---mike on 8/26/11|
Isn't that really the same thing? If our wills are in agreement with God's, we will obey what God tells us to do (and if our wills are NOT in agreement with his, we won't do what he asks).
---StrongAxe on 8/26/11|
Your dentist has a rather stiff view of his relationship with God. After being under conviction, with a contrite heart, you will never have to worry about giving yourself to the Lord or wondering what the Lord wants from you. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to bring a person under conviction that same Holy Spirit will witness to that person's spirit that they are saved. Thank you father for the Holy Spirit.
---mima on 8/26/11|
What about our will? "Not my will but thine be done."
If we don't let go of the things we want and die daily, then how does His will get executed in our lives?
As we yield our will over to His will for our lives, we will find that His will brings "exceedingly abundantly above what we ask or think."
---anon on 8/26/11|
"Is that true?" In part, Yes. exclusively, No.
"With what shall I come before the LORD, And bow myself before the High God? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, With calves a year old? Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, Ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He has shown you, O man, what is good, And what does the LORD require of you But to do justly, To love mercy, And to walk humbly with your God? Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, [to love] For this is man's all."Or the duty of all mankind Mic 6:6-8>Ecc 12:13
---josef on 8/26/11|
What your dentist is referring to is that If we continually obey God we will give , do and be as Christ says we should.
All to often when you speak of giving to God their is a dollar amount placed on it when we give of ourselves to God and by doing so we give monetarily.
So yes obedience is all we can give unto Him.
The opposite of that is to say the only thing that sends people to hell is disobedience or rebellion.
---paul on 8/25/11|
bless you & yes! your dentist makes a good point! deu.30:2.... obey him with all your heart and soul.. Rom1:5....to the obedience that comes from faith.it's a beautifull way,best! Like if we children what's better? A gift? Or obey our parents? Sure,would be special! It's also the Lord requires! Thanks! Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 8/25/11|
Ultimately, God wants our hearts and love.
But the FIRST step is obedience.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/11|