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We have been tithing faithfully and have fallen into debt. The question is, do we continue to tithe or use that money to pay the debt?

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Giving to ministers of GOD.
Joh 4:36, 1Co 9:1-14, 2Cor 11:7-9, Ga 6:6 Php 4:10-18 1Th 2:5-9 2Th 3:7-9 1Ti 5:18.
---andy3996 on 9/15/11

Andy, again you passages do not confirm what you say about tithes. Mattew 23:23 Jesus is talking about the actions of the Pharisees. They are under the law, and as followers of the law, they gave tithes yet they were hypocrites for giving tithes and acting as great followers of the law, and yet inside they were all full of extortion and self-indulgence. Corrupt. Jesus did not condemn them for observence of the law's fine points, but in neglecting the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith.
And Luke 11:24, speaks of evil spirits returning back to an empty vessel. You can vow to give a tithe if you want, but if you do, you will have to honor it.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/11

MarkV completaly agree with you there, i was only trying to see if Rocky truly understood what he put to critic, and if indeed he has the right intentions with posed hypothesis.
many who say that tithes are obsolete and a pastor shouldn't get anything, do so for other reasons then "freedom in Christ" (James 4:17)
as Paul said that the stingy will not inherit the Kingdom. ( 1Cor6:10, Eph 5:5)
---andy3996 on 9/15/11

Andy, I see what you are saying about Abraham tithing to Melchisedec (Heb7:2) and Jacob choosing to tithe (Gen28:20) and the difference between the faith and the law (Heb7). Matthew23:23 confirms only that scribes and Pharisees tithed, but this would have been under the old law, it addresses faith but not as a tithe. Luke11:24 is not about tithing at all. Acts2:44,45 & 4:32-37 are not about tithing but communal living, as covered in my last post. So I do see your inspiration for tithing and commend you for it. I see nothing by way of commandment to all, but then he that only does what is commanded is a slothful servant. Thank you for your response.
---Rcoky on 9/15/11

Rocky, READ Ac 2:44,45 4:32-37.the first churchrules.
ALSO father Abraham gave tithes of everything, interestingly he tithed to Melchisedek "priest of the most high God"
Jacob vowed, Gen28: 20-22.and the tithe was proof, The law dictates the tithes as a means of blessing (Mal3)Hebrew7:5-9 confirms the difference between faith and law (in all things)

always tithe is consecrated for the minister (gen14, Heb7, Num18:24-28)
Jesus confirmed tithe of faith(Matt23:23, luke 11:24).
tithing without faith judgement and mercy increases guilt(amos 4:4)

TRUE BELIEVERS give their tithe as an act of faith, following our father Abraham in faith, not as dead law under Moses.
---andy3996 on 9/15/11

Andy, the passages you gave in Acts 2and4, the context does not speak of tithes. The context says, this people made a vow to God. To sale everything and put all the money in one fund. Ananias and Sapphira broke the vow to God.
If you put yourself in the context, you would first have to make a vow to God to sale everything, you would not get paid as pastor. And if you broke that vow, and kept some of the proceeds, you would be strike dead. Could you make that vow?
That is why I said, you give as the Spirit leads you. Don't make vows unless you are going to keep them. If you vow something, even in debt, keep the vow, God will provide someway for you to make it, because He knows you made the vow, your faith is in God.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/11

Andy, the citations you provided to verses in Acts are all about the church members living in common and have nothing to do with tithing. When you say "necessity of the tithe", exactly what do you mean by way of commandment or what? Would you please provide some citations specific to the Abrahamic tithe you support?
---Rocky on 9/14/11

"render to caesar" was a tax not a tithe
---michael_e on 9/14/11

I see nowhere that 2Tim 2:3-7 states ministers receive pay. Where? How? Likewise I see nothing about tithes in Exo 19:5, Psa 50:12, Ecc 9:10, or 2Co 4:4, just general statements that the earth is His, but who would argue against that? In Mark 12:17 we do have the famous quote Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. but there is no indication he is talking about tithes. Based on your previous quotes, he is due the full world. Based on the context, give the money the government coins or prints to them, give other things to God, which I take to mean our love, devotion, and obedience. Please clarify.
---Rocky on 9/14/11

Rhonda: tithing does not cause debt

Unfortunately, it seems to have for someone. That it should not, I fully agree, but there MAY be cases where what one gets may truly not be enough
---Peter on 9/14/11

Rhonda, WOW did you pull everything out of its context. reread all my posts and be enlightened.
Rocky Ac 2:44,45 4:32-37
I DO preach the nesecity of the tithe, yet it is the abrahamic, and not the Mosaic tithe.
in other words the tithe of faith instead the tithe of the law
ABRAHAM gave his tithe as a recognition that God took care of him in all things.

Moses instituted the tithe to ghet blessing FROM GOD.
same tithe different heart.
---andy3996 on 9/14/11

Andy, I read Acts 2-4 and read nothing that I thought was relevant to the discussion. Would you please explain and be more specific.
---Rocky on 9/14/11

Francis, there is no specific statement in the NT that the law of tithe does not apply. If you still think it does, then it may be best if you pay it. By the way, you still have not provided an adequate response to my question of 9/11 about other OT commmandments and if you follow them. Would you care to respond now?
---Rocky on 9/14/11

i do agree with you that THE LAW OF TITHE is ended in Christ

The WORD IS Christ Jesus - to "agree" this truth must be written however it is a LIE contradicting Mark 12:17

2Tim 2:3-7 states ministers receive pay

Ex 19:5, Psalm 50:12 the whole earth and ITS belongings are GODS NOT mankinds yet GOD only expects 1/10 of your wages for the temporary USE of HIS belongings Ecc 9:10

Christ is the high priest who receives these tithes for his ministers the spiritual Levites Heb 7

YOU pay taxes to the god of this world through its governments 2Corin 4:4 YET ROB GOD Mal 3:8?

tithing does not cause debt

yet many "agree" in vain AGAINST Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 9/14/11

i do agree with you that THE LAW OF TITHE is ended in Christ.
---andy3996 on 9/13/11
What book chapter and verse did you see that in?
---Francis on 9/14/11

Richard. read carefully all foregoing bloggs
and if you insist on NT then read what is written down in Acts 2-4.
---andy3996 on 9/14/11

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I don't believe in Malachi / tithing.
the only people 'blessed' are the pastors. you see them drive luxury cars & live in multi million $$$ mansions.
then they preach about 'CONTENTMENT' or 'ye not store treasures on earth or condemn & judge you when you ask about self confidence. WHAT HYPOCRISY!
will your $100 'seed' turn into $10,000?

why don't christian quote something from PROVERBS about HARD WORK or EMULATING A HARDWORKING FARMER.
christians have been brain washed too much by the book of malachi. it is a book of SOCIALISM. sit down & money will come down from heaven when you give your 10%- just apply for welfare.
---mike on 9/14/11

Malachi 3 and Malachi 4 are all one "prophetic" word to Israel and in Mal.4 the "tither" is clearly commanded to "remember the law" you not see in plain text that a christian is nowhere in scripture commanded to tithe? your own logic if it worked you wouldnt be in your debts,forget that other nonsense which is a wrangling of scripture to make merchandise of is a shamefull doctrine!!! tithing is for the deliverance of Israel and not to be confused with the church.
---richard on 9/14/11

Andy, Thanks for answering me.
My post was/is not meant to be judgemental,I only ever ask "why"!
The Levitical tribe was God's priesthood on earth, to whom the tithe was given.
Who ,today represent the "Levites"and can accept the tithe on God's behalf?
The Southern Baptist Pastors, Orthodox priests, Rabbi at the Synagogue,Catholics Priests
The Amish ? etc..
God does not need our money,to put a new roof on the church,buy a organ or pay the pastor's salary!IMHO
---1st_cliff on 9/13/11

Scott: You still provide no evidence that tithing is required. Your quote You cannot serve God and money. This was about taking no thought of what you eat, drink, or wear. How does this apply to requiring tithing? If about showing ones power over money, one can just as well show that by contributing to charity. Then you talk about the blessings of tithing again appealing to it being a good investment but not showing it a commandment. You say just because someone has lots of money does not make them rich. I agree, but how is that relevant to the issue? I talked about rich people earlier just to prove your anecdotal story about one person that paid tithing proved nothing.
---Rocky on 9/13/11

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//That assumes that tithing is required.// I agree

However - Where your heart is your treasure will be also. You cannot serve two masters you love one and hate the other. You cannot serve both God and money. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse and see if I (God) do not open the floodgates of blessings. It is not about a number it is about the heart. Tithing is the greatest weapon to fight against money being a god. Just because someone has lots of money does not mean that they are rich.
---Scott1 on 9/13/11

1Clif Abraham gave tithe, Christ confirmed it, Therefore i give God's tithe because I believe God's prommise upon it, if you don't believe this, that's fine by me, but don't try to judge those who give, as those giving tithe should stay away from judging the ones refusing, you know my posts. what i say is free for you, but i know that i posted truth. will someone judge and be judged? let the LORD GOD Judge ALL.

basically tithe is a matter of faith. so if God's spirit didn't give you that faith, He has his purpose with it, as he has a purpose by giving me faith in this area.

PS. i do agree with you that THE LAW OF TITHE is ended in Christ.
---andy3996 on 9/13/11

Scott: Whose money would you rather have your 100% or God's blessing on 90%?
That assumes that tithing is required so adds nothing to the discussion about if it is required.

Scott: Friend of mine's parents stopped tithing for a while and suffered many setbacks. After they returned to tithing they got a bunch of unexpected money started coming in. Such anecdotal cases do nothing to prove a point. There are also millions of non-tithers who are rich and suffer no apparent financial repercussions from not paying tithing. In both comments the logic is faulty and proves nothing.
---Rocky on 9/12/11

---Mark_V. on 9/12/11
Just show me in the BIBLE covenant of works. or stop making stuff up
---Francis on 9/12/11

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Francis, if you do not understand Covenants why do you still speak of the law?

In the Bible we read the agreements that God made with man. ---Mark_V. on 9/12/11

One could ask you the same question. Abraham Isaac,Jacob/Israel are who the covenants were made with. Only.
You cannot and will not honor GOD's prophets or scribes in the 280 times covenant is found in scripture....and who it was too.
What teaching or knowledge can you offer?
False teaching. 133.1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations,
---Trav on 9/12/11

Francis, if you do not understand Covenants why do you still speak of the law? A Covenant is a binding agreement, and that agreement is between two parties. In the Bible we read the agreements that God made with man. However the agreements in a Covenant are not equal. God orders something to be done, because He is God, and man has to obey are He will receive a punishment for not obeying. God demands obedience. All human beings from Adam to the present are inescapably members of the agreement (Covenant of works). Either as covenant breakers or Covenant keepers. The Covenant is the basis for our need of redemption because we have violated it and our hope of redemption because Christ has fulfilled its terms for us.
---Mark_V. on 9/12/11

Francis: Your answer about stoning was to state Gods will. But the scripture says for people to stone the sinner. So you did not answer the question. On slavery, your response does not address the subject of scripture the actual selling of people into slavery, So again you have avoided the question. About the menstruating women again you did not address the issue of separation, but actually raised a second. Do you make the required sacrifice afterwards or use not following that commandment as an excuse for not doing the first part the separation. Note that the separation impacts other people who then are not separated from her. Regarding offerings, you report what some others do but do not state what you do. Why evade the questions?
---Rocky on 9/12/11

Whose money would you rather have your 100% or God's blessing on 90%? Friend of mine's parents stopped tithing for a while and suffered many setbacks. After they returned to tithing they got a bunch of unexpected money started coming in. Stay true to God.
---Scott1 on 9/12/11

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---Rocky on 9/11/11
Francis - Should we put to death everyone that works on Sabbath (Ex35:2)?


Is it OK to sell one's daughter as a slave (Ex21:7)?

How can we confine women that are mensturating for 7 days or ensure we have no contact with them (Lev15:19)ONLY IF YOU INTEND TO MAKE A SACRIFICE OF BLOOD WHEN IT IS OVER

Do you still give burnt and sin offerings to your priest? YES in MANY countries priest actually get MEAT and produce as offerings

Do you eat only of clean things? YES

---Francis on 9/12/11

Tithing as commanded by God was on the increase of livestock and crops only.
IFyou didn't have either, it didn't apply to you as a child of Israel.
The same went for circumcision, non-male children were excluded.
---micha9344 on 9/10/11

Abraham tithed as a warrior and that is prelaw. The Pharisees tithed and they were not farmers or shepards.
---Scott1 on 9/12/11

(Lev24:14)Have you ever stoned anyone for it?

Christ did not see to it the Pharisee's stoned the adulterous so where is the analogy to tithing???

amazing how so many buy the FALSE teaching that GODS Holy laws are done away since Christ abolished Mosaic laws only and magnified Gods 10 commandments easily one forgets to magnify means to INCREASE the significance ...lying false ministers create a new meaning for magnify with their spin it means to diminish and take away

tithing is not "jewish" HEBREWS tithed ...true followers of GOD tithe and study rather than repeating lies

be faithful to tithe ...debt is not caused by tithing
---Rhonda on 9/11/11

Francis - Should we put to death everyone that works on Sabbath (Ex35:2)? Is it OK to sell one's daughter as a slave (Ex21:7)? How can we confine women that are mensturating for 7 days or ensure we have no contact with them (Lev15:19)? Or for two weeks when a woman bares a female child(Lev12:5)? Do you still give burnt and sin offerings to your priest? Do you eat only of clean things? How can we stone people for cursing God, as God commands, and not be sentenced to death ourselves (Lev24:14)Have you ever stoned anyone for it? (cont)
---Rocky on 9/11/11

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Andy, You say because Christ confirmed it (tithe)) you continue..Right?
Jesus was born Jewish and therefore under the law to tithe..Christians ,post crucifiction, were never instructed to keep the (Jewish)law!
If you keep this law, you must keep them all!
---1st_cliff on 9/11/11

What ever is commanded by God is for all God's people OT and NT.
---Francis on 9/10/11

So then Francis..

I can own slaves.
Sell my daughter into slavery
Stone my neighbor for working on the sabbath....

all of these are commanded by and approved by scripture.
---NurseRobert on 9/11/11

the Covenant of Works--Mark_V. on 9/11/11 People in the Old. T. were under the Covenant of works, where there was not salvation. >---Mark_V. on 9/11/11
Where in the entire Bible did you see COVENANT OF WORKS or again ARE YOU MAKING STUFF UP.

and as to being no salvation in OT, where did you see or hear that or again ARE YE JUST MAKING STUFF UP?
---Francis on 9/11/11

Francis 2: after answering you on the other blog I can see why you want to remain under the Covenant of Works, you don't believe in spiritual rebirth. You believe that every person who dies is asleep in the grave, and that his Spirit is not together with Christ in the heavenly places. That he remains separated from God when he dies. I understand now why you refuse to move forward. You do not have to explain.
---Mark_V. on 9/11/11

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Francis, you say,
"What ever is commanded by God is for all God's people OT and NT."
That is not true at all. There is many commandments that don't apply to those who are in Christ. People in the Old. T. were under the Covenant of works, where there was not salvation. You want to remain under that Covenant. We are under the Covenant of Grace, where every genuine believer is under the Spirit of the Law. The Spirit which indwells every genuine believer.
You cannot except that Truth and by doing so, you remain under that Law. You need to come to Christ by faith to be under the Spirit of the Law. That's why it's not mentioned after Christ had risen. God did not forget. You just don't see this truth.
---Mark_V. on 9/11/11

With the numerous types of natural and un-natural disasters occurred this year there are many good Christians that are going to be unable to carry on their normal stewardship practices. They have to deal with the events that occurred, insure the families are taken proper care of and try to rebuild their lives to some level when they can resume normal stewardship practices. Their local congregations may be able provide a degree of temporary assistance but in general most are not endowed to the same levels as government or insurance companies. Other members of their congregations are going to have to make up the difference to support their respective churches while their brethren who suffered losses reconstitute their lives.
---Blogger9211 on 9/10/11

Too many people believe that is something does not appear in the books of the NT after the death of Jesus, that it is not for the church. That is a wrong belief.

What ever is commanded by God is for all God's people OT and NT.

The reason why some things are not in the NT ( NB TITHING IS IN THE NT) is because it was not at issue or at dispute in the early church so that the apostles had no need toeducate the church on these things.

The early churches had no issues with tithing so there is no chapter admonishing the churches to tithe.

But everyone is tyo render to God that which is Gods, and the tithe is God's. The tithe is holy to God
---Francis on 9/10/11

This is why, I do not have mutch ,but i tithe.
I have not allways done that.
I have had more problems when I did not return Gods tithe than I ever have when Payed tithe. Somehow things work better when I Give God back His own.
---dowanor on 9/10/11

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Mica - would you please be so kind as to provide the scriptural citations showing that physical baptism is no longer required and that tithing applied only to the increase in crops and livestock.
---Rocky on 9/10/11

If it was important for the BOC, don't you think Christ would have revealed it to OUR apostle?
He revealed that physical baptism and circumcision was no longer necessary, the same goes with tithing.
---michael_e on 9/10/11

Tithing as commanded by God was on the increase of livestock and crops only.
IFyou didn't have either, it didn't apply to you as a child of Israel.
The same went for circumcision, non-male children were excluded.
---micha9344 on 9/10/11

Michael , excuse me i mistyped your name, i said michal instead. no evil intent
---andy3996 on 9/10/11

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Michal : Where does our apostle paul-...- mention anything about tithing?
and paul followed who? if Paul followed Christ then obviously Paul would never teach against anything that doesn' agree with Christ. that's why Paul never preached against the tithe, because Christ confirmed tithe i accept tithe-teaching and apply it.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11 is still His money and we should be good stewards.for those who can be trusted with little will be given more .
---Michele on 9/10/11

//The question is, do we continue to tithe or use that money to pay the debt?//
It depends on whether you have a sound mind.

Where does our apostle paul,
to whom the gospel of the grace of god to the BOC was revealed, mention anything about tithing?
---michael_e on 9/9/11

with all due respect but IF i drift away from the subject is it not because you responded next the subject
you confuse tithe with alms, you confuse Christ's words as if he said we could stop. I do not see where i drifted. i was only pointing out to you where you drifted away from the subject.
read my posts carefully and you'll discover they are answers upon your statements.
---andy3996 on 9/8/11

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andy3996, you are drifting further and further from the main issue of this particular blog and i see not point in us continuing sharing our views and opinions in tithing.
---christan on 9/8/11

Christan, I completely agree with your answers. And also with Aka. We are not under the law under but under the New Covenant. I tithe because I want to tithe not because I have to. When we make a promise we will give so much, we should always honor that promise. If things go bad during the year, I'm still responsible to honor that promise. But no one has to promise, all they have to do is give as they are moved to give. For all things we have really belong to God even our lives. God knows our hearts and our needs and whether we can afford to give or not.
---Mark_V. on 9/8/11

we do all realize annual tithes do equal 30% and another 10% every 3 years?
---aka on 9/7/11

Most likely God will be more understanding, and forgiving, than your debtee, and I think he wants your love more than your money.
---Rocky on 9/7/11

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pay Your debts...
---kevin5443 on 9/7/11

...Church giving is discretionary giving but debt payment is mandatory. Being a dead beat Christian really honors neither God nor man.


which scripture?

seeing Israel was to FORGIVE their DEBTORS after 7 years

people make mistakes

forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors ...does that ring a bell?

where is the "love" you loudly profess as a "christian" making such a demeaning accusations do your snide remarks build up someone who has fallen?

lest you forget you may not make the SAME mistake however you are not perfect your mistakes may be greater
---Rhonda on 9/7/11


That is a rational response, I recommend to keep tithing and go to the Pastor and ask for help as he should do.

If he cant get any help then he has no choice for our stewardship to our family is very important to God.

I have never read that a person who wont work and provide for his Church is worse than an infidel.

But it is said that those who wont provide for his family is worse than an infidel.

---paul on 9/7/11

Paul, Chris_M had a problem with family finances. He can either Tithe to his church or meet family obligations and pay his debts. I recommend that he take care of his family financial responsibilities regain control of his finances then resume his monetary stewardship to his church. Stewardship means more than money, he can still give his time and skills to help his church. But in a capital rationing environment his primary Christian responsibility is to protect the integrity and violability of the family unit and resume his monetary stewardship to his church when his family and creditors responsibilities are under control again, resuming monetary stewardship consistent with disposable income.
---Blogger9211 on 9/7/11

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Tristan YOU SAID //no where in the NT are we taught to give 10% of our income to God, & i donot give 10 i give a hundred% of my life//.
this I compare with Mark 7:11-12.

your right about ALMS to the poor (not tithe),However when i made my testimony it was not to bragg but to encourage,

YOU SAID "Let Jesus words convict you"
Jesus words:
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: THESE OUGHT YE to have done, and NOT TO LEAVE the OTHER UNDONE.

Jesus did not say that we shouldn't give tithe, he said we should give them with JUDGEMENT MERCY and FAITH.
---andy3996 on 9/7/11

Andy3996, obviously you have no understanding of what I am talking about in tithing. Let Jesus words convict you,

"Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth" Matthew 6:2,3

You sound like you have the "trumpet" Christ speaks of, making great boast of how faithful you are to tithing. Good for you, you have your reward.

By the way, I am not teaching you or anyone "to find a good excuse WHY HE AVOIDS THE TRUE GIVING?"
---christan on 9/7/11

YOUR NOT A faithfull CHURCHGOER?...didnt St. Paul say something against that? guess...

could you find out my situation before judging? your guess is spoken well ... like a pharisee. "Father, I am glad that we are not like them..."

andy, you talk if i had a choice. Wasn't it St. Paul how talks about doing great things that are nothing if you do not love? But, love who? Jesus did not suggest that salt can season salt. He said to season the season-less world.

i need help. i cannot do this alone. so, you can keep criticizing me from the pulpit if you want. the only time that faithful church goers talk to me is when i can get there. a person shows his willingness to reach out not by speaking but by doing.
---aka on 9/7/11

How did you come to the conclusion that giving to God is optional?

---paul on 9/6/11

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Luke 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.


Exodus 34:19 All that openeth the matrix [is] mine, and every firstling among thy cattle, [whether] ox or sheep, [that is male].

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.
---francis on 9/6/11

Nowhere in scripture are Christians commanded to tithe.
The 11 tribes who had land supported the tribe of Levi who had no land by tithing!
Christians are not under that law, but it is now the "cash cow" that the churches of today are reluctant to part with!
but superstition keeps some still tithing!
---1st_cliff on 9/6/11

Scott1 - I generally try to provide operable salutations so solve real problems and not worthless platitudes.
---Blogger9211 on 9/6/11

---Blogger9211 on 9/6/11
What about "give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." Nowhere in the Bible does it talk about giving a tithe it is always returning the tithe.
---Scott1 on 9/6/11

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Pay your debts down or use a debt consolidation service then you can resume regular giving to your church again. Church giving is discretionary giving but debt payment is mandatory. Being a dead beat Christian really honors neither God nor man.
---Blogger9211 on 9/6/11

Yes, continue to Tithe and be faithful. God is a rewarder of those who are faithful in doing the right thing. It's a spiritual convenant, when tithing into the Kingdom of Heaven. It's not just about being bless, it's about the Lord rebuking devours of things that will come up against you in the spiritual realm that you are not aware of. Continue to be encourage in the things of God. Pay your Tithe first, and everything will fall into place. Be Bless!!!
---kimbe7395 on 9/6/11

Christan we now give 100% of our lives to loving Him. What Jesus taught is -
DID we finally find someone who actually gives according Acts or is it just another one trying to find a good excuse WHY HE AVOIDS THE TRUE GIVING?

AkA the ones who pay a tithe faithfully tell us how much they like to see us at church when they do see us

didnt St. Paul say something against that?

my guess is that indeed both need to readjust your life according to bible doctrine before.
---andy3996 on 9/6/11

tithe. Always tithe.
---Francis on 9/6/11

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btw - i operate in the red every month. i pay rent, utilities (no cable), car payment and insurance. the only $$$ that i have pays for food for three little ones, after school care, gas, and an internet connection (on line checks, no postage, no envelopes)

according to many, i rob God. i don't pay tithes. in return, He somehow keeps me in the black and keeps a smile on my kids face during these times.

the ones who pay a tithe faithfully tell us how much they like to see us at church when they do see us. (they do not call or visit.) Right now, i do not need my feet washed or greeted with a holy kiss. So, i cut out the middle man and give generously when i can.
---aka on 9/6/11

Chris_M, no where in the NT are we taught to give 10% of our income to God any more as preached by these money loving preachers, using Scripture to feed their love for money. God in His goodness provides for unbelievers and believers. As for the believers (Christians), we now give 100% of our lives to loving Him. What Jesus taught is -

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matthew 6:24, "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Matthew 9:13
---christan on 9/6/11

God is not giving up on you so don't give up on God. Trying cutting some other things first eating out, entertainment, etc. If you compromise of tithe you will compromise on tithe later for something that is not a need. God wants you to return the tithe but God wants all of the money you have to use the money wisely and for him.
---Scott1 on 9/6/11

before we address your faithful tithing, tell us the nature of your debt?

do you have any extraneous expenses that you can reduce and/or eliminate? antenna v. cable, old wise phones v. new smart phones, starbucks v mickey d's... (btw-there are no such thing as a smart phone. there are only smart phone companies because they know the world will go into debt to get the latest.)

now, tell us the nature of your tithe: what is "tithing faithfully"? faithful to whom? do you tithe expecting return? do you tithe expecting God to pay your bills no matter what?
---aka on 9/5/11

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Chris, do not let the devil tempt you with a stupid idea.
i had the same situation, so i decided that to stop giving my tithes would help me. i assure you it only came worse up to a point that the church had to pay fuel for me going to work. that day i repented and the next wage i received i gave my tithe, my abandoned tithe and the "biblical fifth upon the tithe in case one ate from the tithe. by the end of the month God blessed me so much that i could ghet out of my debts, by two months later i had enough to move out of my broken house and start my life anew. (without ever lending from the bank
---andy3996 on 9/5/11

Malachi 3:8-11, Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes & offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse for ye have robbed me.
Verses 10-11 goes on to say how God will rebuke the devourer for your sake & open the windows of heaven & bless you when you obey & pay tithes. Read the scriptures concerning prayer & tithes. Then pray & trust God to help you get through this trial. He will help you.This could end up being a great testimony of God's provision in your life. Trust Him.
---Reba on 9/5/11

It all depends on your level of faith in God.

Do you believe that God will bless you if you continue to be faithful to His word?

If you believe that then you should obey God and be faithful in your giving.

If you do not believe that then pay your debt over your tithes and run the risk of robbing God and loosing it all.

So it is up to you,

---paul on 9/5/11

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