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Constituted The Faith

Jude 3 speaks of that faith once and for all delivered to the saints. Does that mean we should attempt to recognize what constituted that faith?

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2 Peter 2:6
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly,

Jude 1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

MarkV, please discuss the differences of one being apostate and the other being false teachers.

Since you want to argue nonsense here!
---kathr4453 on 12/8/11

MarkV: What part of God's Word don't you understand?

Let's do this again to HUMOR MARKV!

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life,

2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us,)
---kathr4453 on 12/8/11

Kathr, I learned how to answer you. But through the years you've kept saying lies of me an accusing me, so I have to treat you as an adversary. Here again you lie about me when you said,
"MarkV denies we are saved by the Death and resurrection of Jesus Christ"
Just another lie like all the rest. Let me answer you this way,
I believe by faith in the Eternal Begotten Son of God and His works on the Cross and His resurrection. Not on a create jesus that you speak of.
"And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. "This is the true God and eternal life"
---Mark_V. on 12/8/11

kathr4453 - Is MarkV the only one here that is a sinner saved by grace.

Galatians 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Are you not also a liar as not everything you post is the truth but only your opinion or understanding of scripture?

Or do you wish to boast how righteous you have become in comparison to others?
---lee1538 on 12/8/11

I really LOVE 1 John 1-2.

John says it so beautifully, and in perfect keeping with scripture. He refers to Jesus as the WORD OF LIFE, and refers to Jesus AS ETERNAL LIFE.

The Word was with God and the ORD was God, and John calls Him in 1st John the WORD OF LIFE.

Peter tells us we were Born Again by the WORD OF GOD.

BOTH THESE are referring to Jesus Christ who is the life giver.

Jesus said I AM the way, truth AND LIFE.

My WORDS are Spirit and LIFE!


Jesus Christ is the ONLY Begotten Son of God who died and rose again from the dead for the forgivness of sin.

MarkV, thank you for ALL these opportunites you've given me to Preach Christ Crucified!!!
---kathr4453 on 12/8/11

MarkV, I know you LOVE LYING and falsely accusing me of Not believing that the WORD was made FLesh, who the WORD is God.

The Problem with your LIE,is that it puts you in the category of LIARS, and false teachers and apostates.

And it's very important that you continue to keep up your lying as I continue to EXPOSE you as a LIAR!S will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.

NOW, Did Jude have anything DIFFERENT to say than Peter? Tell us markV, what is different?

A warning is a warning, unless you have a new and different definition of that too.

MarkV denies we are saved by the Death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, SON OF GOD who was made flesh and dwelt among us. HE believes the Holy Spirit saved him.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/11

Kathr, an apostate is, "someone who abandons what they once believed in" Those people with no faith in Christ, their heart was never changed by God.
A good example is you. You know the truth, and you claim you believed in the Truth, but you never believed by faith in the Eternal Son of God, by your own words. All the knowledge has done you no good. Calvin did not say this, he is dead, but I said it because I heard what you said. But if you acknowledge right now, that you believe by faith in the eternal Begotten Son, then it will be by your own words. You also fall in the category of a heretic because of your attempts to strip Christ of His deity. Heretic is someone who speaks against the essentials of the Christian faith.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/11

What is not similar in 2 Peter then Jude is that 2 Peter speaks about false teachers and Jude is speaking about apostates. Two very different people. One falling from the truth they knew, the others, teaching false teachings carousing in their own deceptions, while they promise liberty they themselves are slaves of corruption, and are reserved to the blackness of darkness forever.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/11

So Apostates are not false teachers? Or are you saying an apostate was once saved KNOWING TRUTH and fell away? Interesting commng from a Calvinist who swears over and over only the Saved Elect know the truth and can NEVER fall away.

Apostasy is falling away from the Doctrine of Christ, being lured away by FALSE TEACHERS!
---kathr4453 on 12/4/11

Who really are the Apostates?
Those who twist the scriptures to their own destruction.

Apostate and Apostasy are words not in scripture just as Theocratic is not there or Trinity, or other words we use .

People aren't called Apostate, Their called Heritics, just as Peter rightly states. Apostasy is described in 2nd Timothy "a time in History when the falling away in general to the Gospel of Salvation is so evident, so blasphemed, so hated, Paul calls this TIME the falling away just before the Rapture" 2 Thesselonians. It's a time marked by Romans 11, when the fullness of the Gentiles has come, and God will then turn to Israel and complete their salvation.

It's a SIGN of the TIMES.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/11

Jude and 2nd Peter are warnings to Christians ABOUT the dangers of these last days, and what to expect and WHY we are to CONTEND for the faith, and stay totally LOYAL to Christ and the Doctrines once delivered to the Saints...BECAUSE it will be a time as we see in 2nd Timothy dangerous, so hateful, that brother will hate bother, and the love of God will wax cold.

Jesus too warned of this time while on earth.

Stay on your toes Saints, and IGNORE those who want to argue non important nonsense rather than AGREE what both Peter and Jude are saying to us.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/11

What is not similar in 2 Peter then Jude is that 2 Peter speaks about false teachers and Jude is speaking about apostates. Two very different people. One falling from the truth they knew, the others, teaching false teachings carousing in their own deceptions, while they promise liberty they themselves are slaves of corruption, and are reserved to the blackness of darkness forever.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/11

The similarities of these two books is remarkable.

See for yourselves.

2 Peter 1:5 - Jude 3
2 Peter 1:12 - Jude 5
2 Peter 2:1 - Jude 4
2 Peter 2:3 - Jude 16
2 Peter 2:4 - Jude 6
2 Peter 2:6 - Jude 7
2 Peter 2:10 - Jude 8
2 Peter 2:11 - Jude 9
2 Peter 2:12 - Jude 10
2 Peter 2:15 - Jude 11
2 Peter 2:17 - Jude 12,13
2 Peter 2:18 - Jude 16
2 Peter 3:2 - Jude 17
2 Peter 3:3 - Jude 18
2 Peter 3:14 - Jude 24
2 Peter 3:18 - Jude 25
---kathr4453 on 12/2/11

This warning in Jude is almost exactly the same words Peter wrote in 2 Peter 2 and 3.

And beginning Jude 5 to the end tells us exactly what was once delivered to the Saints of Old.

Although Jude omits Noah and the flood, Peter does not.

I totally recognize what constitutes these words and why. Beware of those who want to play games with any of thee warnings.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/11

Lee, I believe that Jude 3, and 1 Tim. are speaking of two different subjects. 1 Tim. is speaking of a love, a love of choice and will, characterized by self-denial and self-sacrifice for the benefit of others, and is a mark of a good Christian, while Jude 3 is speaking of contending earnestly for the faith which was once delivered to the saints because certain men had crept in unnoticed who long ago were marked out for this condemnation. They were apostates in general who were written about and condemned many centuries before, such as illustrated in (v. 4-7: and spoken of in Enoch (Jude 14-16: Is. 8:19-21: 47:9-15: Hos.9:9: Zeph. 3:1-8).
---Mark_V. on 12/1/11

The command in 1 Timothy 1:5 is from Paul to Timothy -

"you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies".

I believe it is of utmost importance to study early church history on the theory that what they taught reflected that 'faith once and for all delivered to the saints". If a doctrine (such as the SDA soul sleep, Investigative Judgment, mark of the beast upon Christians, continued revelations, other scripture authority, etc. etc. etc.) are not found within early church history we should at least be highly suspicious of it.
---lee1538 on 11/30/11

But I need to see how I can be wrong, so I don't fool myself with hasty conclusions about what the Bible means, and then be just arguing for ideas, instead of finding out how to love. "Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith," (1 Timothy 1:5)

So we need to not be endlessly arguing about a couple of theoretical issues, but give our attention to finding out how the Bible means for us to love. What does each belief mean for how to love?
---Bill_willa6989 on 11/30/11

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