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Why did St. Paul claim to be a savior? 1 Corinthians 9:22.

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"I will declare the decree, The Lord has said to Me, Today I have begotten You" (Ps. 2:7).

So the day could not be in Hebrews time, but a statement that the installed Mediator now recites the Lord's previously issued enthronement ordinace.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12

EXACTLY, So where did you cut and paste that from...such big words MarkV you certainly don't understand. If you did, you would see it is saying that Psalms is Prophecy, and that the Eternal Son did not exist in Hebrews time.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12

Mark, where exactly did I lie about Charles Stanley? And why accuse me of lying all in teh same breath with Dr. Stanley?

I stated he is dispensational, he believes in free will, and preaches whosoever will.

Now you call him a great man, yes he is, and so is his teaching.

But answer this question, Why bash certain people who believe as Dr. Stanley does, and exalt Dr. Stanley?

Obviously you have no understanding of how the Body of Christ works Markv, because in the Body no one is exalted above another.

Christ is the Head, and He and Only He we are not worthy to tie HIS SHOES.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12

The truth is MarkV, you fall int the CARNAL sin of having respect of persons, based on your personal feelings and not loyalty to God's Word.

You will suck up to anyone who sucks up to you, no matter what they believe.

You LOVE insincere flattery as well, not even knowing when people insincerely flatter you just to keep off your list.

You are a real menace to the Body of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12

Kathr, you first tell me that what is written in Hebrews you believe it was that day so you ask me,

"THIS DAY have I begotten thee! WHAT DAY was that MarkV?"

Well it was not the day the Hebrews writer wrote that, that is for sure because many centuries before the Psalmist said the same words,

"I will declare the decree, The Lord has said to Me, Today I have begotten You" (Ps. 2:7).

So the day could not be in Hebrews time, but a statement that the installed Mediator now recites the Lord's previously issued enthronement ordinace.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12

Elder, funny comment there. Maybe if THIS TIME you actually read the blog, you just may find Shira said the same thing to MarkV....

I use to have respect for someone named Elder years ago, who would never use teh name Eloy as some sort of derogatory comment for one thing. The real Elder was above such carnal worldly comments.

The REAL Elder was dispensational also new and taught Revelation and taught it was FUTURE. This impostor Elder, never said ONE WORD here on the subject.

What? did you steal Elders name because you wanted his points, to make yourself look good. That's WORSE than anything Eloy ever did!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12

"I once heard Dr. Stanley try to distinguish between the Holy Spirit and something he called "the very Spirit of God."

I could go mad, in a nice way, of course, trying to figure out the difference."
The Holy Spirit is a person. The very spirit of God is an influence that is brought about by the person of the Holy Spirit.
I don't think this is what caused you to go mad... in a nice way of course.
Kathr, are you the female counter part of Eloy? You act just like him.
---Elder on 7/17/12

MarkV I do not believe God begot/birthed a Son in eternity past before His incarnation.

I believe the RCC's take on the trinity was to accomidate the Eternal Mother of God, since BOTH those doctrines were hammered out by the RCC at the same time. They even had Mary at one point as part of teh Trinity.

It all boils down to paganism, Madonna and Son, and of coarse the pagan gods all had eternal sons too.

No I BELIEVE the SON was the WORD of God who is God was made flesh, begotten at His inception with the Virgin Mary.

I believe exactly as scripture states, I don't MAKE UP terms and phraises to suit my doctrine.

THIS DAY have I begotten thee! WHAT DAY was that MarkV?

You still have not left the RCC.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12

Mark_V., you must do a whole lot of repenting at the end of the day of bashing your distant cousins. Would you do the same standing face-to-face with these people?
---Steveng on 7/17/12

Jesus did not have a college degree to teach the gospel. Nor did any of the apostles.

One does not need a collge degree to spread the gospel and tell people how to get there.

God has a certain qualifying criteria to choose the people to carry on with His will. Only certain people are qualified for the five ministries of God - the apostle, the prophet, the evangelist, the pastor, and teacher. All five ministries are needed for the edifying of the church. Depending on your faith will he choose you to one of these ministries. And you don't even need a clollege education because God works through you.
---Steveng on 7/17/12

Kathr, your mind is very twisted. Thats why you do a lot of talking. You lie so much you forget what you lied about before, it come to where the Truth is a lie to you.
Stanley is a great brother and he does believe in free will. Though he does, he is still a great brother in Christ, he doesn't teach it but teaches people how to live the good life in Christ.
Gill was also a great brother in Christ, and he did not teach free will, he taught the soverignty of God. Your salvation, by your own words, is not salvation at all, for there is no salvation for those who do not believe in the eternal begotten Son of God. And you admitted you don't. You should take your med's.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12

I once heard Dr. Stanley try to distinguish between the Holy Spirit and something he called "the very Spirit of God."

I could go mad, in a nice way, of course, trying to figure out the difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12


Ro8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, NOT GILL or ayone else.

Yes, God predestines those who put their faith in Him that He would conform them to the Image of Jesus Christ.

That can ONLY be done throught the Spirit, and through Suffering, being made conformable to His death.

So with all Gill's masters in this and that HE MISSED THE TRUTH OF THE CROSS!

Peter had NO degrees in anything except Christ Crucified, and 1st Peter 4 PROVE one nees no degree to understand the Gospel...One needs CHRIST IN THEM.

But this was NEVER about Gill to begin with. May want to start from the beginning.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12

The point too Trey, Dr Stanley is not nor does he teach Arminian doctrine of salvation by works either. And He's not Calvin either.

Believe it or not, not everyone is either one or the other.

The absolute IGNORANCE that one is either Calvin OR Arminian is just that, carnal ignorant ignorance.

The fact is neither Calvin or Arminian is correct. And I'm getting really tired of people being accused of being Arminina just because their not Calvin.

Dr. Stanley is that example.

AND there are millions just like him.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12

1 Corinthians 9:22
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.

The question is, did Paul believe he was savior by witnessing to everyone and used the term "save some".

That verse sure puts a damper on a calvinist doesn't it?

Paul also said, though you have 1000 teachers, but not many fathers, I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU through the Gospel. Be ye followwes of me the way I am of Christ.

ONLY the TRUE Born Again Christian understands these precious verses!

And those who don't ask or rather accuse Paul, like our question poster above.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12

Hi Kathr,

Why do you keep attacking John Gill? John Gill was no slacker. He could read and speak Greek at age 11. He later learned Hebrew, and Latin. He also was a DD, and wrote far more on the scriptures than Charles Stanley. By the way, he was true Baptist. He was a Baptist back before the Baptist were tainted with the Arminian doctrine of salvation by works.
---trey on 7/16/12

Sorry MarkV DOCTOR STANLEY is not a Joyce Myers.

Do you have a DR. in front of your name? Did Gill sell you one of those over the TV?
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

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Get a grip MarkV...

Charles Stanley had begun to sense a call to follow God in full-time Christian ministry. First, he earned a bachelor of arts degree from the University of Richmond in Virginia and later a bachelor of divinity degree at Southwestern Theological Seminary in Texas. He obtained his master of theology and doctor of theology degrees at Luther Rice Seminary in Georgia.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

MarkV, I have Never condemned Dr. Charles Stanley MY PASTOR.

Man you really have gone off your meds.

Talk about lies!
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

Kathr, I love all of God's people. Charles Stanley is not a teacher of theology, but a preacher who teaches how to live the Christian life. All his sermons are about man and how we should live. He does not argue any point of theology. Great man. I learned how to be a better husband and a better father by listening to his sermons.
You are a bad person who argues everything for the wrong reasons. You could not tie his shoes and you condemned him before. None of the brothers who are true Christians do I condemn even if we do not agree on some of the doctrines. Just because John Wesley taught a definite second work of grace distinct from the remission of sins, I still think he was a great teacher, and a brother in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12

The diversion MarkV was that the RCC asked Ribero to come up with a NEW AND DIFFERENT VIEW of Revelation, pointing fingers away from Papal control and the belief that teh RCC was in fact anti-christ. The fact is it is there will be many anti-christ's. And we will see this again in teh future, however I believe RCC and Islam will join forces....especially against Israel, which brings in teh REAL bonafied BEAST AKA as some call the anti-Christ. It's a fact MarkV, a reality that will LITERALLY HAPPEN!

It was because of Revelation that the Reformation took hold to begin with.

When are YOU going to get a grip on the truth, or did GILL mislead you there too?
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

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Shira, thanks for your words.
First, I'm not a Calvinist. Never had any material from Calvin until two months ago. ------Mark_V. on 7/16/12

MarkV, THAT is a bold face LIE. Two months ago? I and many others have confronted you re: Calvinism for I know atleast the last three years. Christan has been long gone for over 2 months and you and he and LeeJ have been pushing this doctrine since YOU came on line.

I came back 3 years ago and began confronting you then.

SO, I guess those 10 commandments really aren't working in and through you after all!

Might want to try being crucified with Christ, where your old man who continually lies will die to that sin.

We die to sin. Romans 6...You have not!
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

One of my main sources was "Word Pictures" from Crosstv. I ordered all the tapes. Then I studied the teachings from a brother name Gill---MarkV

THAT is where you went astray!
Why do you need men to teach you when you have the Spirit of the Living Christ in you? Who is more trustworthy? Man or God?

(1 John 2:26,27)
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Did "Gill" save you or Jesus Christ?
---LindaH on 7/16/12

Charles Frazier Stanley is the senior pastor of megachurch First Baptist in northern Atlanta, Georgia. Dr. Stanley also served two terms as president of the Southern Baptist Convention from 1984 to 1986. Dr. Stanley has an evangelical, fundamentalist dispensationalist theology.

Now didn't you say you really LIKED Dr Stanley? CAN you tell us what you like about him?

He believes in FREE WILL, and is a Dispensationalist/Futurest.

So why aren't your cursing him here on line? BECAUSE you are a double minded man, unstable in all your ways, tossed to and fro and not established settled and anchored in the truth.

OH but THAT comes AFTER you have suffered a while....Now I understand!
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

Kathr, when are you going to tell the Truth?
At the Council of Trent, papal leaders and Jesuits brainstormed how to counter Protestantism. They decided it would be done, not only through the Inquisition and torture, but through theology. Two Jesuits, Luis de Alcasar and Francisco Ribera were asked to find a diversion to the Protestants view that the little horn was the pope. Both Jesuits went in opposite directions. Though the two views oppose each other, the RCC made them official. Alcasar brought out Preterism" that all the prophecies in Matt. 24 and the book of Revelation as having already been fulfilled in either the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD or in the fall of Rome.
Ribera brought out "futurism"
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12

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\\Augustine strongly stressed the importance of infant baptism.\\

So did Chauvin.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/12

MarkV, we know Augustine an RCC came up with the TULIP and Calvin learned all from Augustine. Augustine, like your self and Calvin never really left the RCC. AND no one else, even the RCC today do not teach the TULIP. Only Reformed Theology does.

Augustine strongly stressed the importance of infant baptism. About the question if baptism is an absolute necessity for salvation however, Augustine appears to have refined his beliefs during his lifetime, causing some confusion among later theologians about his position. He said in one of his sermons:

"God does not remit sins but to the baptized".

A Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed, Paragraph 16
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

From the time of Constantine through the reformation EVIL existed, True Christians were murdered along with Christian Jews and Jews.

From 95AD when John wrote Revelation up until Constantine 300ad Christians as well as Born Again JEWS understood Revelation. Especially Jewish Christians knowing their own OT Prophecy as well as Jesus telling Peter that only the Father knew when the Kingdom would be restored to Israel. Acts 1:6-11.

Not all OT Prophecy has been fulfilled. Matthew 24-25 IS Zechariah 12-14 and IS the last 3 1/2 years in Revelation called THAT GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY!
The Day of Jacob's Trouble AKA The Great Tribulation.

You can't spiritualize that away.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

Shira, thanks for your words.
First, I'm not a Calvinist. Never had any material from Calvin until two months ago. He did teach most of what I have learned but do not agree on some things. I studied the Sovereignty of God for over 18 years. One of my main sources was "Word Pictures" from Crosstv. I ordered all the tapes. Then I studied the teachings from a brother name Gill. None mention Calvin.
Concerning the KJV, I also use the Complete Wordstudy of the Old and New Testament KJV by Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D. which also has the translation of words in Hebrew and Greek. And have three other KJV's. One NIV which I don't hardly use but has a great concordance. Scofield Reference Bible teaches dispensenationalism in its references.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12

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John's Revelation and probably many letters and teachings on Revelations that came again to the surface that gave the TRUE Christians to overthrow the RCC, believing that maybe just maybe they were in that great tribulation then. Whatever the case God USED Revelation to light a fire under them. Ribero's motive was to throw off the true Christians in saying the RCC and Pope were not the anti-Christ by introducing his version of Revelation.

Many thought Hitler too was the anti-christ,but one ingredient was missing. ISRAEL!

Today Israel is back in the Land AND with that everything is now in place for the "TRUE BEAST" to come into play.

Pope John and Arafat(terrorist) made a SECRET covenent together. Hummmmm!
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12

Kathr, you know little about the history of the RCC. I would have liked to teach you but you already have the virus. Nothing can be done for you. And all you talk means nothing. I have learned one thing from Calvin in two months, he defended the nature and humanity of Christ from every attack. I don't understand his theology very well, but that I do know. The Tulip was not invented by Calvin, he was dead already when the five points were use to counter the five point teachings of those who supported the teachings of James Arminias at the Synod of Dort in 1618.
They felt, however, that a mere rejection was not sufficient so they answered with five of their points.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12

MarkV, you need to get rid of your Calvin doctrine, of which Calvin never really left the RCC. Your post seems to say you agree with those who defended the RCC. Yet your Calvin opposed the RCC. Or did he? Infant Baptism is RCC of which Calvin kept and believed he was regenerated through his infant Baptism.

Yet we see too Calvin also burned at the stake anyone who disagreed with him, placing himself as a protestant POPE lording it over others.

Calvinists oppose dispensational teaching, including the rapture of the church...and to markv probably another conspiracy theory Calvin conjured up...called heresy, of which heretics will not enter the Kingdom of God.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/12

MarkV, lets put down the WHOLE TRUTH.

The early church believed that events of the tribulation, millennium, and second coming were to take place in the future. As anti-millennial views begin to arise through Constantine, futurism began to be displaced. Further, there have been discoveries of medieval apocalypticism during this time which wrote from varying degrees of futurism.

The Reformation brought a return to a study of the sources. In Northern Europe those sources included the early church writers and aided in a renewal of the study of prophecy from a futurist perspective within the Protestant churches. The Jesuit, Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) was one of the first to revive an undeveloped form of futurism around 1580.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/12

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Francisco Ribera might be seen as the Martin Luther of his time, finding through scripture as Martin Luther did in reading Romans that FAITH NOT WORKS was the heart and soul of the Gospel.

Sounds like You MarkV are sidinng with the RCC and Constantine's SWORD of believing we were to establish the Kingdom here and now, as is what Constantine was trying to do.

You speak of total ignorance if you have no clue how evil Constantine was.

Protestants saw him and the RCC power on earth as anti-Christ, that is POSING AS CHRIST on earth, which brought about the REFORMATION to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/12

markv, I am stunned at what you are saying about God's Word. I have never heard such. I've been using it for 65 years and I ain't in trouble yet. I will never never get rid of my bibles especially to replace it with roman catholic books. I have agreed with a lot you say on the blogs but I think today you forgot your anti depressant meds. please please don't fall into the same catagory as eloy was in.
---shira4368 on 7/15/12

kathr, we do agree on a good bible don't we. I have not ever heard of the name markv quoted in this blog. maybe I did fall off the turnip tree yesterday. I have seen good post from markv and now I know he is a true calvanist.
---shira4368 on 7/15/12

Correction about Ribera:

Ribera Francisco taught Rome would be destroyed for it's sins.WOOPS!

Ribera remained a committed Augustinan Calvinist Amillinniest

Ribera taught Revelation from an historicism viewpoint, popular in his day. In other words Ribera saw very little of Revelation as future and spiritualized away any future anti-Christ or future prophecy.

This is not the same teaching that Scofield and many today teach.

Another lie, Ribera did NOT invent this doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/12

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kathr, I did know that. I didn't fall off the turnip bus yesterday. the king james bible is the only one allowed in my house. the words are sacred. I ask markv if he was a calvanist and he never answered me but I have watched his post carefully and many things we agree on but not all. I think markv is a christian but just believes different than me. there are many people that don't agree with me but I still know if they are born again they will be in heaven.
---shira4368 on 7/15/12

Sister Shira, yes, it was me who wrote that about the Scofield reference Bible. It is not good, get rid of it. The reference commentaries are not good at all, they will get you in big trouble later. The Reference Bible has its roots on the "futuristic" view the mastermind plan of Francisco Ribera a Jesuit from the RCC who was given an asignment to come out with something to counter the Reformers accusations that the pope was the anti-christ.
Second, the Left Behind movies and books are false.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/12

Shira, no one is using MarkV's name, that is MarkV and what he believes.

I too have a KJV Scofield Bible. How the Lord placed this Bible in my possession is a very precious monment to me. Funny thing, I take it everywhere I go. And I asked the Lord, if my house should burn down, ALL I WANT is my Bible. I've had it for over 35 years. I have been given gifts of other versions, and have never bonded with any other.

No, Shira, markv does not use a KJV and hates Scofield. ALL Calvinists do. I bet you didn't know that.

Now you do.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12

markv, I think someone is using your name. I have a schofield bible and it is one of the better king james bibles. I don't think it has a virus but when I talk to God I will ask Him. I have read the history of the king james bible. back in the day they had to get away from catholics so they came to America where they could worship a true and living God. basically that is what happened isn't it?
---shira4368 on 7/14/12

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Yep, and Lewis Sperry Chafer caught it too, who was at one time head of the Dallas Theological Seminary. Moody caught the virus too, along with Warren Wiersbe, Dr. Charles Stanley and many I call Born Again Christians.

Yes I believe Zechariah 12-14 , Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 36 and many more scriptures is future as well as Revelation. That's common sense.

However I believe your propaganda of who started it and WHY is only that...

Let's also remember there are many Dispensational doctrines out there, so one must be careful with that as well. Michael_e represents one I disagree with.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12

Kathr, it's pretty obvious to me from the beginning that you were a dispensationalist, following the virus from the "Futurist view" that Francisco Ribera master-minded shortly after the Council of Trent with the blessings of the Pope to counter the Protestants. Then Dr. Samuel Roffey Maitland, John Henry Newman, John Nelson Darby, Margaret MacDonald, and Cyrus Ingerson Scofield who published the first edition of his famous Scofield Reference Bible, all because the RCC wanted to counter the Reformation because they had the Pope as the Anti-Christ, commissioning two from the Jesuit order to come out with a plan, Luis Alcasar (preterism) and Francisco Ribera the (futuristic view) . And it worked, you too received the virus.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/12

MarkV, I told you before I am not Covenant Calvinism/Replacement theology.

I believe in the different dispensations.

Do I have to correct you again?

Deal with it!
---kathr4453 on 7/13/12

Kathr, I told you before, the spiritual Church of Jesus consist of only the elect of God. They are all born of God,
"But as many as receive Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name" Now hear who they are,
" who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12,13). And all those who will be saved in the future are also of the elect. "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" This are the elect he is talking about, the "us". (2 Peter 3:9).
---Mark_V on 7/13/12

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What the Election of Grace here means is this:

Out of Israel's, there is a remnant TODAY saved according to the election of Grace, meaning they are part of the Elect Church.

Here is a verse to back that up,

1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you, and so doth Marcus my son.

Here THE CHURCH is what is elect. The church makes up a body of believers, correct.

And this body of Believers are members of Christ's Body,correct. How did they become members of Christ's body? By identifying with Jesus in death and resurrection life resulting in salvation. This is how one is SAVED in the age of GRACE. God's Riches At Christ's Expense.

Not God's good humor!
---kathr4453 on 7/12/12

Kathr, Grace is the unmerited favor of God.
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the "election of grace." And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace, otherwise work is no longer work" (Romans 11:5,6). God is the provider of Grace. Grace is the manifestation of God's love and mercy toward sinful men (2 Cor. 8:9: Titus 2:11). God's grace provides salvation and security, accomplished by the continuation of the divine work of grace despite the believer's imperfections. (Eph. 2:8) reads literally
"By grace you are saved and continue to be" Grace leads the believer to God's will.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/12

MarkV, GRACE is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. WE today are saved by His death and resurrection. Grace in this meaning was not available in the OT. They looked forward to the cross, however were not made Perfect in Christ until He rose again.

Galatains 2:20-21 Paul explains the true meaning of salvation by GRACE RE, The CROSS, where TODAY is Salvation by GRACE/CROSS,Crucified with Christ, no loner I but Christ IN ME.

This is where you have deviated from the true meaning of GRACE.

God being graceous is altogether something different. God was GRACEOUS to Hagar and Ishmael, But that is not what GRACE is all about in reference to Salvation/Born Again etc.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/12

//As we've already told even Michael_e, there are not two entirely different gospels being preached TODAY.//

Kath, you are partially right. there SHOULD be only one gospel preached today(the gospel of the grace of God given to our apostle Paul for us the BoC (ref 1Cor 15:1-4)
But you can plainly see from these threads there is more than one Gospel being preached.
Check out some of your local churches, you will several gospels being preached
---michael_e on 7/11/12

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Kathr, you say,
"today is the age of grace"

God has been gracious from the beginning. It didn't just happen today. All through history He has been gracious. Read the Bible from the beginning.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/12

MarkV, are you again needing correction..twisting one's words just for the thrill of it all.

As we've already told even Michael_e, there are not two entirely different gospels being preached TODAY.

TODAY is the age of GRACE to both Jew and Gentile.

Now run along and wipe your snotty little nose.

Jude...catching those our of teh fire is not addressed to Jews only, but all like yourself professing salvation, yet are still carnal, worldly and worship men and the doctrine of men and Not God.

Someone needs to snatch you out of the fire, because your flesh is surely SPOTTED by false doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/12

Kathr, so what you are saying now is that you are not saved is that correct? You claim to be a Jew, and you said,

"Couldn't possibly be happening now....and no record of this already happening in the past"

That is why I told you, you must be born again. But you do not believe me. Israel as a nation is never going to be saved. Only those who are circumsiced of the heart. Those of the promise. Not those of the flesh. In fact many have died already, and are lost. The only way into Heaven is through the Person of Jesus Christ. There is no back door for all of Israel. Jesus came only for the Lost sheep of Israel, not the goats.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/12

We are called by the Father, they are commanded by the King to obey the law of the King Matt 6,7,8.
---Phil on 7/8/12
Well Phil, since Jesus has not taken the earthly throne of KING, there are not two Gospels being preached at this time.

Since Zechariah 12-14 hqas yet to be fulfilled, ...that will be at His second coming, not only will Jews have to obey teh KING, but Gentiles as in Egypt.

Read the very end of Zechariah 14...

Couldn't possibly be happening now....and no record of this already happening in the past.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/12

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Paul was in the world but not of it.
though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. Unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law, To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do
FOR THE GOSPEL'S SAKE, that I might be partaker thereof WITH YOU
---Chria on 7/9/12

Ju 1:23 I suppose you could add Jude's Jewish brethren to that list of saviors, since he requests that they save others from the baptism of fire that is to come upon Israel. Paul is not claiming soteristic power, but ministering that which saves, the Gospel of God. The Jew must repent and be baptized to be filled with the Spirit, the elect chosen of the nations are justified by faith for grace, without works of the flesh. We are called by the Father, they are commanded by the King to obey the law of the King Matt 6,7,8.
---Phil on 7/8/12

1 corinthians 9:22.....Paul is writing and in simple terms tells us he is a man of God to preach the gospel to everyone. no matter who they may be. I like to think Paul was getting on their level so he could preach and them listen.
---shira4368 on 6/27/12

What most people do not understand is that the scriptures teach two salvations: Time Salvation and Eternal Salvation.

When Moses told the children of Israel to "stand still and see the salvation of the the Lord...(Exodous 14:13) he wasn't speaking of eternal salvation.

When Peter cried out "Lord save me!" he wasn't asking for eternal salvation. He was asking for time salvation (Matt 14:30).

Paul is speaking of time salvation. He is speaking of saving God's children here and now from the ways of the world, not eternally, as Mark V so plainly stated salvation is of God not of man.
---trey on 6/26/12

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according to barb, these are lies of Paul...the words of satan...

Rom_5:11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
---aka on 6/25/12

Cluny, I really don't understand why you would ask or even suggest such a thing. Paul never claimed to be the Savior. There is already too many websites that question every word written in Scripture, why do you have to add to that? What you write here goes all over the world.

Paul answers with (v.23),
"Now this I do for the gospel sake, that I may be partaker of it with you"

How could you suggest he was claiming to be the Savior when he is partaking of the gospel together with them? Means someone else is saving them, Jesus Christ. It is the gospel of Jesus Christ that saves.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/12

Believer: Cluny is one of several on this website of whom Peter spoke concerning Pauls' writings:

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

---jerry6593 on 6/24/12

When Paul said "Saving" some Mr. cluny, he meant not all will believe in the gospel. That's what cults does: read in too deep in the word of God and change the words for those who are easily to be persuaded by false witnesses.
---A_Believer_of_God on 6/5/12

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He says why in the same verse, he related to whomever he was talking to on their own level, in order that the hearer would understand the gospel and be saved. I talk to the high-minded in high-minded terminology, I talk to the simple-minded in simple-minded terminology. You would not speak to an uneducated person with large fifty cent words. If I said to a rude 8 year old child, "You insignificant, psychological, piece of ingenuity, how dare you insinuate, that I should tolerate such diabolical insults", the child would not understand what I said. But if I said, "You little bad smarty pants: don't think that I won't punish you for talking-back to me", and this the child will understand.
---Eloy on 1/24/12

barb// Paul never met Jesus unless you want to believe his road to Damacus story.//

barb..Gal.1:12 ...Pauls says he was not taught the gospel, but received the gospel by revelation from Jesus Christ.
---JIM on 1/24/12

barb, I don't know who taught you are who you are listening to, but you need to read the Bible not the New World translation, because your accusations of Paul are false. You gave (1 Cor. 9:19-22) as your proof, but you forgot to give (v.16-18). He was not going to save anyone himself, but was bringing the gospel to them, bringing salvation to them.
And the story of Paul on the road to Damascus is true and was witnessed by those who were with him (v.7), "And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one." They witnessed the event. So you speak false against Paul and against Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/12

The best way to spread the gospel is to make a connection with the person you are witnessing to. This is what Paul is saying. Suggest reading Bill Hybels "A Walk Across the Room."
---Scott1 on 1/24/12

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1Cor 9:23And this I do for the GOSPEL'S sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
Paul's gospel plainly explained in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Usually when this isn't understood it because of.
2 Cor. 4: 3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost, 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake
---michael_e on 1/22/12

Paul never met Jesus unless you want to believe his road to Damacus story which cannot be proven as he never brought forth or named any eyewitnesses. We have only his word for it.

Paul claimed many things. Read Col. 1 23-25. Paul wanted to be Jesus.

Even more astounding is his need to be all things to all people 1st Cor 9:19-22. God sent His Son and put His words into His Son's mouth so we could learn the truth. Satan on the other hand has deceived the whole world thru the lies of Paul.
---barb on 1/22/12

To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means SAVE some.

Paul knew that it fell upon us as the hands of feet of Christ to lead people to salvation. Not just for them to magically start believing as though forced to. The method we use does indeed make the difference (Jude 1:22,23)

He is SAVING some by leading them to Christ. It doesn't mean he IS the savior.
---JackB on 1/21/12

Cluny, why would you post such nonsense? Paul never claimed to be a Savior. I read the whole context and not once did he claim to be a Savior. You bring false witness against the Word of God and against him. Now you want to confuse others by implying there is another Savior. In order to post such stuff, there must be an intention behind the question. It was the gospel he brought that saved those who believed it. That is how the RCC and the Eastern Orthodoz pick a verse from Scripture in order to excuse their false traditions, as worship of idols, kneeling in front of stone images, asking for prayers, speaking to the dead, purgatory, confession to priest, and eating Christ flesh.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/12

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Paul was not claiming to be a Savior in the sense that Christ is our Savior.

Think of someone who got bit by a snake, and needs a vaccine to live.

If you give him the shot, people might say you saved him. You might even say it yourself. There would be nothing wrong with that.

But technically, it was the vaccine that saved him, you were simply the one who brought the vaccine to him

Good question, Cluny
---James_L on 1/18/12

I believe Paul was saying that he was very conscience of his actions before others. His testimony was very important to him. He strived to not offend anyone, if at all possible, for the sake of the Gospel. He denied his own wishes for the purpose of others. I feel that we all (especially me) should try to be more like Paul in this way. These days people seems to be self-centered & thinking only of "what's in it for me,me,me,me,me"... This verse is saying to think of how we as believer's can more fully show the world "Christ, through our daily lives".
---Reba on 1/18/12

cluny, what do the forefathers say?
---aka on 1/18/12

The thought packet is 9:19-23. To be able to present to gospel to many diverse groups you have to have a common frame of reference with members of these groups so they will even listen to you. So as Paul states in Verse 22 that he has to be all thing to all people so that he might save some of them.

Just use the verses to find thing in the Bible and read the paragraph or group of paragraphs to analyze what the writer is presenting. In doing so you will not usually be let wrong, if you have a problem with terms look them up in the original language using the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament or New Testament respectively.
---Blogger9211 on 1/17/12

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christan, what do you think his words about his "saving some" meant?

Or did you even look up the passage?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/17/12

Paul never claimed to be a savior. It is you who bear false witness against the teaching of Paul to the Corinthians. Picking one verse from the chapter without first reading the context of 1 Corinthians 9 is nothing short of being mischievous and an accuser of the brethren.

Paul was admonishing some of the more experienced Christians whose faith God has built-up not to cause the newer and weaker Christians to stumble over their behavior, as they have just come into the faith. It was God's plan for Paul to be the teacher of the Gentiles that through Paul's preaching of Christ crucified that they are saved. That's what it means.

And this admonishment continues into the next chapter if you carefully read it.
---christan on 1/17/12

Yes, in 1 Corinthians 9:19-22, Paul says he "became as" the people he was reaching to . . . "that I might by all means save some," in 1 Corinthians 9:22. So, this shows Paul was not trying to put on a major holier-than-thou show, he was not conceited. So, being able to "save some" does not mean he was trying to be God or show himself superior to people. But he was willing to become "as" the people he was reaching to. And Jesus Himself told Paul that he was chosen "to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God," in Acts 26:18. It's like Paul is the helicopter saving people, but Jesus is the Pilot, "and grace is the gas (c:"
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/17/12

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