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Should I get medication for my 21 year old son he has had suicidal thoughts for years and now believes he is a paranoid schizophrenic. Should I go for spiritual help alone or both?

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"Hello,family not goin' own exp.girl 16,knew I had suicidal/issues,angry look to tk meds/right there also met christians!long story short seed was planted...quit suicide wishes,longrun hospital
internment,while there Reading the bible!
---ELENA on 3/20/12"
Glory to God, His works are wonderful, as HE IS!
---cria9396 on 3/21/12

Hello,family not goin' own exp.girl 16,knew I had suicidal/issues,angry look to tk meds/right there also met christians!long story short seed was planted...quit suicide wishes,longrun hospital
internment,while there Reading the bible!
---ELENA on 3/20/12

Eloy, great simple answer but very true. Whatever works for the person. Many have different methods, and many have good ones and some bad ones. So whatever can help is good.
---Mark_V. on 2/29/12

Kat_clark, I don't think that it should be either/or, either medicine or spiritual help: but instead do both, bother medicine and spiritual help can help him.
---Eloy on 2/27/12

Jed: I did not spread misinformation. I spoke from my personal and professional experience. You twisted my words, and picked and chose what you wanted to read and argue with. Everything I said was true. I don't lie.
---Trish on 2/27/12

Trish, this would have been over along time ago if you had stopped spreading misinformation and that you really didn't know about, and speaking as if you knew when you really didn't and were just making assumptions.
---Jed on 2/27/12

Gena and Mark V, this discussion would have been over long ago, if I had not repeatedly been accused of lying and misleading people, none of which I have done. My integrity as a person has been attacked repeatedly, and I will not let those misguided lies go unanswered.
---Trish on 2/26/12

Trish, thank you. That has been my point this entire time. I am saying that a mother really doesn't have any legal say in her adult son's treatment simply because he is on her insurance, as you suggested. That is what sparked this whole argument, your suggestion that this mother had some say over her sons treatment when he was on her insurance, which of course, she doesn't. She has no legal right to make any of his medical decisions, including to have him treated for mental illness, whether he knows it or not.
---Jed on 2/26/12

Gena, I agree totally, unless it was a question on Scripture, this has gone too long with both been right and both been wrong. It's only the experiences of two different people. Not everyone have the same experiences in life. Nothing more.
---Mark_V. on 2/26/12

Jed: What is your point? I have repeatedly told you the truth about my professional experiences, and you have twisted my words repeatedly, and accused me of being intentionally misleading.

Just because a psychiatric patient has the right to refuse to cooperate with family members who insist they go to the emergency room, does not mean that patient knows that they have that right, nor are they always able to think rationally enough to insist on having that right during an emotional crisis. Since you have obviously never been in a psychiatric crisis before, you would not be able to understand that fact. I have already pointed out that I have been in the middle of such crises with family members.
---Trish on 2/25/12

Trish, as I already said before, just because someone feels like they were made to go by their family, doesn't mean they didn't have a choice legally. I have already pointed that out several times, yes people can demand, insist, threaten, and make you feel like you have to go, but ultimately, and legally, the choice is yours. Noone, except the cops, can make you go. There's a big difference between willingly doing something you really didn't want to do because someone convinced you to, and actually having no choice. I know I have already explained this so now I know you are purposely ignoring the difference.
---Jed on 2/25/12

I fail to see how this long argument between two bloggers has helped the person who asked the question.

For the person who asked the question, I would recommend both spiritual and medical help. If a Christian counselor is aware or becomes aware that someone needs psychiatric help, they should refer the client to those professionals.
---Gena on 2/25/12

"you were intentionally misleading"

Jed: How dare you? I did no such thing. Many of the 302ed patients told me their parents, or family members made them come to the ER. There was no police involvement.

You really have a lot of nerve.
---Trish on 2/25/12

Trish, thank you for clarifying that you did not really know what you were talking about. You see them "the day after" so you don't really know if they went willingly or if police was involved. Everything you said was based on assumption. You ASSUMED the police were not involved because they didn't sign the commitment papers. And you ASSUMED the person was unwilling to go to treatment or ER because they refused to sign commitment papers. I read just fine, you spoke as if you were actually there, but now we know you were intentionally misleading. Logic alone should tell you that if the use of physical force was not necessary then the person came willingly. And the only one allowed to assert physical force are the police.
---Jed on 2/25/12

Jed: Now your reading ability is under question. I already said that the family members must have kidnapped the person. Are you sure you went to college?
---Trish on 2/24/12

Jed: How should I know how the family got the patient to the ER? I do not work there. I see the patient the day after they were committed, after they have been sedated, or medicated. I only know what is in the paperwork from the ER, and what the patient tells me. I always check to see if there were police signing the commitment paperwork, or family. I also look to see if the patient signed for voluntary admission to the hospital. If they refused the signature, I am required to call the family members who signed the commitment papers.

But, then, I already told you this in a previous post. You obviously have the reading disability, or just want to keep the argument going. Like I said, I already answered you.
---Trish on 2/24/12

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No Trish, you're not getting it. I'm talking about before the person even gets to the ER. How does the person get there? If the person arrives at the ER unrestrained, then they are obviously arriving voluntarily, even if they act like they don't want to be there. That means either the family members would have had to tackle them and tie them down and drag them in or the ambulance staff would have had to, which they aren't allowed to do. The only people who are allowed to tackle people and restrain them are cops. So I ask again, if the ambulance staff aren't allowed to force a patient into the squad, how does a family get a person to go to the ER or treatment without the assistance of police?
---Jed on 2/24/12

Jed: You don't get it. A psychiatrist at the emergency room also does an evaluation and signs the commitment papers. But, there are cases where there is no police involvement. I have said this before, but you have chosen to either not read it, or now, you have the reading problem.

I did not disagree with the fact that the psychiatrist must evaluate and sign the papers.

Just what is your problem? I really believe you just like arguing. Are you sure you are not a borderline personality? There is just no pleasing you in this discussion.
---Trish on 2/24/12

"The family members who signed the commitment papers kidnapped their loved ones to get them to the emergency room for the psychiatric evaluation to be committed. You win. Happy?"

Trish, that is exactly what you are saying when you say that people can force their family members into treatment without any police or professional having previously deemed them a threat. Yes, it is kidnapping to force anyone you do not have custody over to go somewhere with you against their will, whether they are family or not. That's why a police or other authorized professional has to be there to make that determination of danger.
---Jed on 2/24/12

Ok Jed. The family members who signed the commitment papers kidnapped their loved ones to get them to the emergency room for the psychiatric evaluation to be committed. You win. Happy?

I never disagreed with that either.

On a personal note, as a child, I saw my aunt carried off by an ambulance to spend months at the state hospital because of her schizophrenia. It is a scary thing for a child to see someone who is psychotic.

As an adult, I have had to go to a hospital emergency room to get my niece and nephew so their mother could follow the ambulance transporting my brother to the psychiatric hospital after he walked in front of a bus trying to kill himself.

So, I have some personal experience in this regard.
---Trish on 2/23/12

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Trish, I believe you have explained yourself very well already. If it is not good enough then I don't know what is. I thank you for giving the information you had. And also thank Darline and also the good things that Jed said. Unless the issue was Scriptural, this issue does not have to drag for all eternity. Anything that can help someone else is good. Since we all have different experiences in life. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 2/23/12

Trish, no matter what state you live in, family members can not determine if someone is a threat to themselves. The law you posted even stated that it has to be a physician, law enforcement, or other authorized personel. That does not include family. Don't you have the logic to see that a person has to be cooperating to some extent in order for the family to able to get them to the facility without a police escort? Of course unless their family tied them down and drug them in, which would definately be illegal. Doesn't that make any sense to you? I'm not sure if you can even comprehend what I'm saying.
---Jed on 2/23/12

Jed: I never said that a person did not have to be a threat to themselves or someone else. I may have omitted it from my original post on the subject, but I never said it was not a necessary condition. I know the rules of involuntary commitment, and have known them for decades, even before I went to graduate school.

My disagreement with you was that in Pennsylvania, the police do not have to do the commitment. They can, but so can family.

My reading ability has been fine. You have been putting words in my mouth. I never said that my psychologist or psychiatrist were easy on me. They have been tough on me, but not without empathy. Neither has insulted me, nor questioned my ability to think logically, nor ability to read.
---Trish on 2/23/12

Trish, I was referring to this blog when you argued that a person could be committed against their will without having a guardian or being deemed an immediate danger. Then you later changed it and said that they did have to be proven to be a threat if they didn't have a guardian, and you made it out as if I was saying they couldn't be committed even if they were a threat, which is not what I said. I made it clear what conditions had to be met in order for someone to be admitted against their will. So either you were lying about what I said, or you had trouble reading what I said. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you just had trouble reading.
---Jed on 2/23/12

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Jed: When you pointed out the mistakes I made in our previous discussions, I acknowledged and apologized. That was taking

As for my professional ethics, if my mental health providers advised me to stop working at the hospital because of my illness, I would.

As for my providers themselves, you have no clue the amount of progress I have made in the past 22 years. My thinking and behavior was constantly challenged until I made a radical change when my marriage came to an end.

So don't tell me that I don't take responsibility, or that my therapist has failed. You don't know what you are talking about.
---Trish on 2/21/12

Trish, You actually said that Rhonda and I said things we did not say, that's twisting. I made a simple statement that it is unethical and unprofessional for a mentally ill patient, who has been hospitalized on several occasions, to then work as a mental health treatment provider. That's not twisting. That's called an opinion, one that happens to be shared by many state law makers and company policy makers. What I said about your therapists was a simple observation. A therapists job is to affect their clients behavior and their scewed point of view, by making them accept responsibility. Since you are still making excuses for yours and other's irresponsible bahvior, it is obvious that your therapist has failed.
---Jed on 2/21/12

Jed: I told you. You made things up about my psychiatrist and psychologist, and you tried to make it sound like I shouldn't be working in a psych hospital because of my prior hospitalizations, even though both my doctors have told me I can do so just fine.
---Trish on 2/21/12

Trish, what about you did I twist?
---Jed on 2/21/12

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Jed: Obviously you have done nothing wrong.

I have not twisted anything, but repeatedly explained myself and also apologized when I made a mistake.

You however, have twisted things about me repeatedly, questioning my professional abilities, and making things up about my psychologist and psychiatrist.
---Trish on 2/21/12

Trish, it would be normal to question someone's reading ability or logistics when you write one thing very plainly, and they totally twist it into something not even close to what you said.
---Jed on 2/20/12

Jed: Questioning someone's reading ability, or ability to think logically is not Truth and it is not loving. It is insulting.

As for my therapist, he regularly kicks my butt, but I never have been insulted by him.
---Trish on 2/20/12

Trish, your problem is that you don't know the definition of love. Have you ever heard of tough love? It says speak the TRUTH in love. The truth is very painful to hear and face. It's not something people want to hear. It's not nice and gentle, but it's always love. If you really love people you will force them to face the truth about themselves. This is where you're therapist went wrong and that is why you are still making excuses for yourself and others. You mistake love for pacification, and that only hurts people more. Do you think Jesus was not loving when he drove the merchants out of the temple with a whip? Or when he rebuked the pharisees? He was always love, but he spoke the truth and it wasn't very nice.
---Jed on 2/20/12

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Jed, why can you and Trish be right? Your methods are different, and there is many other methods also that might work. the important thing is that they help. I don't believe it has to be one or the other. Anything that can help others is good. This way you both can agree to disagree and still be right. I rather see brothers and sisters communicating with each other in the Spirit of the Truth. Peace I leave you both.
---Mark_V. on 2/20/12

Ephesians 4:15 "Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ." Even my secular psychiatrist and psychologist know how to do that.
---Trish on 2/20/12

Trish, you don't do anyone any favors by being "nice" and avoiding insult and not telling them that they are wrong. That's not empathy, that's called enabling. Big difference. Most therapists aren't really interested in telling the truth and helping people change. They enable them by making excuses for them. I am not one of those people. I hold people accountable so they can recover by facing the blame that is rightly theirs. I do not tell my patients that their hardships are not their fault. It IS their fault. And once they face the fact that they are responsible, then and only then can they do something to help themselves.
---Jed on 2/19/12

Jed: You know one of the qualities of a good psychologist is empathy. Your continued insults show me that is something you sorely lack. While, you may be able to handle crises in your treatment facility, your people skills still need some work. You have repeatedly insulted me throughout this discussion, and I don't understand why.

Also, people who suffer from mental illness are not automatically disqualified from working in the field. We have something you obviously lack. Empathy and understanding for our patients.
---Trish on 2/19/12

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My employer does not know about my diagnosis and it is none of their business.
---Trish on 2/19/12

Umm, yeah, I think it is very much their business when you are dealing with other people's lives and health. If a regular physican had a history of drug abuse, I think that would affect his eligibility to be able to write prescriptions. The same should be with mental health. If you are not of sound mind how can you help other people overcome their illnesses? In my state we have laws against that. If you have ever been a mental health patient you are ineligible to work for a mental health agency, among other things, like ever owning a firearm. Your state probably does too. This is highly unethical to the extreme.
---Jed on 2/19/12

Exactly Trish, that law you posted says nothing about parents or other family members forcibly coercing another family member to treatment. It says only a physican, police, or other authorized personelle can do that. Since phychiatrists don't really do house calls, that leaves basically the police. Thank you for proving my point. Parents do not have any legal right to physically coerce their adult children to go anywhere, that's called kidnapping. If the person goes with you and you are not physically forcing them, then they are going willingly, even if you had to use harsh rhetoric and threats to get them to go, they are going willingly. You seem to have trouble understanding simple logic like this.
---Jed on 2/18/12

Jed: MY psychiatrist and psychologist both say I am stable enough to work part time at the hospital. My employer does not know about my diagnosis and it is none of their business.
---Trish on 2/19/12

trish, there is no need to involve some here with things they don't really care about. What you do in your home is your business and no one really knows what you go thru with your children even if they are adult. Some here will ridicule you on every front. God bless
---shira4368 on 2/18/12

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PA Law: (ii) Emergency Examination Without a
Warrant.-- Upon personal observation of the conduct
of a person constituting reasonable grounds to believe
that he is severely mentally disabled and in need of
immediate treatment, any physician or peace officer, or
anyone authorized by the county administrator may
take such person to an approved facility for an
emergency examination. Upon arrival, he shall make a
written statement setting forth the grounds for
believing the person is in need of such examination.
---Trish on 2/18/12

Trish, wait a minute. You mean to tell me the hospital you work at actually lets severely mentally ill patients treat other patients?! Whoa! How unprofessional is that?! No wonder the mental health system is so messed up.
---Jed on 2/18/12

Jed: I am able to work as a PRN Social Worker a few days a month at the hospital. Social Security tells me how much I can work a month.

I have been stable for a while on my medication, but unable to work full time. I retired on disability from teaching full time in Philadelphia.

The laws in your state are probably different than the laws in my state. That has been my point all along.
---Trish on 2/18/12

Trish, Considering I am a clinical psychologist and head of the crisis department at my mental health and drug and alcohol addictions agency, I think I know a thing or two about hospital admissions. Interestingly, I thought you said earlier that you have been disabled from working for years as a result of a severe mental illness. Did I misread? I think I even recall you saying that you have been hospitalized on several occasions due to this mental illness and that you are now unable to work and are collecting Social Security Disability. Just curious how long you have been out of work since then? You know mental health treatment changes constantly. Did you just "become" ill after working with them?
---Jed on 2/17/12

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Both medicine, and Christian prayer, are beneficial.
---Eloy on 2/17/12

Jed: You obviously know more about my job than I do. I am not continuing this discussion.
---Trish on 2/17/12

Trish, Whether you insisted or recommended, you're son chose to obey. Uless of course he physically resisted and you and your husband physically overpowered him and forced him in the car and drug him into the facility. If so then that is assult and kidnapping and it is illegal and wrong. That is why the police need to be involved if you think he is a threat. They have the authority to make him go. The parents have no right, legally or morally, to force their children into mental treatment. Until someone of authority has determined he is a threat and forces him to go, it is his choice. To make someone think they have no choice, when they do, is highly unethical, especially for a mental health professional that ought to know better.
---Jed on 2/17/12

Rhonda, I don't know the details of Trish's relationship with her adult son, or Kat_clark's relationship with her own.

What's more, I bet that you don't, either.

Trust that with God's help, they will do the best they can in heir situations.

Glory o Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/16/12

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Rhonda: I was not playing coy. What I did was insist my son go to the psychiatrist. It was not a recommendation. Big difference. His father and I gave him no choice but to get in the car, and go with me while I drove him to the psychiatrist.

I don't play games. I don't understand why you must be so contentious with people who disagree with you.
---Trish on 2/16/12

Rhonda: I never said I told the doctors what to do with my children. I did insist that my youngest see a psychiatrist...

oh okay Trish so you were playing coy with your "understatements" which really meant something else

As a mother myself I would NEVER claim (as you did) that I have "some say" in my adult college aged childrens medical treatment for all the aforementioned reasons I posted

because I know there is a VERY BIG difference between "having some say" and making my motherly recommendations
---Rhonda on 2/16/12

Trish, yes it was an accident. I was meaning to address you and accidentally typed your name in the wrong spot. Okay, since you agree that a person can't just be admitted into treatment against their will unless they have a legal guardian or have been determined to be a immediate physical threat to themselves or another person. Can you tell me who then in Pennsylvania, would make that determination?
---Jed on 2/16/12

Jed, I believe you used my name in signature of a post by you. I hope it was a mistake.

"...without their consent unless they have been previously determined to be a threat by law enforcement. Family members do not have the authority to determine if a person is a threat to themselves or coerce them into going."

All I have been trying to say is that this is not the way it is done in Pennsylvania. My reading ability is just fine. Stop twisting my words.
---Trish on 2/16/12

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Trish, you really gotta get that reading problem fixed. I never said that a person would have to sign themselves in if they were proven to be a threat. I said they would have to sign consent if they did NOT meet one of those two requirements of having a guradian or being deemed a threat. And who do you think determines if a person is a threat to themselves or others? A health professional couldn't do it because they wouldn't have an opportunity to examine a patient without their consent unless they have been previously determined to be a threat by law enforcement. Family members do not have the authority to determine if a person is a threat to themselves or coerce them into going.
---Trish on 2/16/12

Jed: I was disagreeing with your original statement about the necessity of police involvement and insisting that the patient signed themselves in upon admission, even if under coercion.

You do not have to be so rude.
---Trish on 2/16/12

Trish, I gave two cases in which an adult could be admitted against their will. The first being if they have a legal guardian and the second being if they have been deemed an immediate threat to themselves or someone else. You told me I was wrong and argued with that. Now you say that yes, they do have to be proven to be a threat? That's what I've been saying all along, and you argued with that. Now you are changing what you said. This all started when you told Rhonda she was wrong for saying a mother has no say in her son's treatment simply because he is on her insurance, which is true. I said she would have to be his guardian or he would have to be proven to be a threat. You said that was wrong. Now you are changing what you said.
---Jed on 2/15/12

Jed: Now YOU are putting words in my mouth. I never said the 302 commitment did not require the patient to be a threat to themselves or others. The requirement for an involuntary commitment in Pennsylvania is that the person must be a threat to themselves or others. It does not require police involvement.

You don't have to be rude, or flippant.

I studied this in graduate school, based on Pennsylvania law. Each state writes its own laws regarding commitment procedures. Obviously, the law is different in your state.
---Trish on 2/15/12

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Okay, Trish, Whatever. You can force other people to receive mental treatment against their will. Is that what you want to hear? Hey, you've know I've got a bone to pick with my brother, I think I'm gonna have him committed tommorrow now that I know you can just have your family members committed with no proof of danger. Haha, he's really got this one coming!
---Jed on 2/15/12

Jed: I saw their consent to treatment forms, and they were not signed at the time of admission. Their family members may have had an ambulance transport them, or may have gotten them into the car. Maybe the laws are different in your state. I work in Pennsylvania.

I believe I know what I am talking about. I do the psychosocial assessments within 24 hours of their admission, and I check all of their admission paperwork for the commitment status, either 201 or 302, because part of my job is to call the person signing the 302 paperwork, unless it is law enforcement.
---Trish on 2/15/12

Trish, those people would have had to voluntary go to the ER. You can't admit another adult into the ER against their will either. What you may consider involuntary may just be the person resisting, but somewhere they were pressured into signing a consent to treatment, not knowing that they had the right to refuse treatment. Unless of course the family member had guardianship of them. Sometimes the patient is coerced or pressured into going because they are told or made to feel like they don't have a choice. Sometimes, family or social workers will threaten them with police if they do not go, but ultimately, they have the right to refuse, whether they know it or not. They had to have personally signed consent at some point.
---Jed on 2/14/12

Rhonda: I never said I told the doctors what to do with my children. I did insist that my youngest see a psychiatrist when he was suffering at the age of 18. I did not go into the office, nor did I discuss my son with the doctor. That would have been a violation of the HIPPA Privacy Laws. Being a Licensed Social Worker, I have great respect for HIPPA.

Jed: At the hospital where I work, I admitted many patients who were involuntary committed by family members with no police involvement. They were transferred from emergency rooms, and their transfer paperwork identified if there was police involvement or not. I was required to notify the people who signed the commitment paperwork, unless it was the police.
---Trish on 2/14/12

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Rhonda: I understand your point, and agree, to a point. I would just also point out that when I was paying for my children's educations and medical treatment, I had some say in their care.

Doctors allowed YOU to make decisions - is this what you imply by "having some say"??

Doctors allowing parents to HAVE ANY "say" in their adult childs treatment in majority of states is unethical and - ILLEGAL because an ADULT under parents medical insurance is not a minor

Parents have no rights per medical insurance to dictate or have any say to what treatment their ADULT children receive simply because parent foots the bill via insurance premiums least in my state
---Rhonda on 2/14/12

There are only two conditions for which a parent can admit their adult child against their will into mental treatment. 1: If the parents are the legal guardian (because the person has been previously deemed unable to care for themselves by a judge) or 2: The parents can prove that the person is an immediate danger of causing bodily harm to themself or another person. This is actually very difficult to do. The police have to be involved and determine if the person really is a threat. They don't just take the parent's word for it. It's almost impossible (as it should be) to force an adult into mental health treatment if you are not the legal guardian.
---Jed on 2/13/12

Rhonda: I understand your point, and agree, to a point. I would just also point out that when I was paying for my children's educations and medical treatment, I had some say in their care.

Plus, if the son is suicidal, she can get him committed to a psychiatric facility. As a psychiatric social worker, I admitted quite a few adults who were committed to my hospital by their parents.

What bothers me the most about this mother is that she has not sought help for her son yet, after all these years.
---Trish on 2/13/12

Rhonda: All of my children were carried on my medical insurance until their 24th birthday as long as they were enrolled in school full time.

in my state enrolled full-time undergraduate only although that really wasn't my point I was stunned the women KNEW for years and very interested why it is an issue now and not years ago when her son could have already RECEIVED or in a treatment program if this were true

even if her son were somehow still in an undergraduate program full time and on his mothers medical plan my point was very important just because (or if) her son is on her medical plan does not make him a MINOR the mother cannot GET drugs for him or GET him into any treatment

because he is an ADULT
---Rhonda on 2/13/12

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Rhonda: All of my children were carried on my medical insurance until their 24th birthday as long as they were enrolled in school full time. That is how a 21 year old would be carried on a parent's medical insurance. I believe it is now longer, but that was the way it was for my children, and for a lot of adult children who go to college full time.
---Trish on 2/13/12

God knows him well enough to know exactly what he needs. And he is 21 but you do not know him well enough, at this point, to know what he needs. But you are his mother. And he doesn't know anyone well enough so that person knows? Ok, so how come you never got to know him? Have you been just controlling him, assuming he was whatever you dictated and therefore decided you knew what had to be true about him? I don't know. Pray and check yourself out about this. No general method or med is going to cure him. Only God can. But chemical handcuffs can help while he finds out how to love. God bless you (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/12/12

Jed and Poppa Bear have both given great information for you however...

I'm VERY curious how is it your NOW ADULT son is causing you concern after "years" of suicidal thoughts?

Why didn't you seek treatment for him when he was a minor and possibly under your medical insurance?

Your adult son would have no access to YOUR medical insurance now so how is it you think you could "get medication" for your son?? Please understand you have no right to meddle in another adults life unless he is declared by a medical profession as unstable and you have legal guardianship!! Remember legal drugs become ILLEGAL when you obtain them FOR someone else!!

Your adult son must want and seek that treatment himself
---Rhonda on 2/12/12

Some good answers. Often people get too extreme on just one end of the spiritual and medicinal question. God has given us Spiritual heeling, and He has given gifts to Doctors to help as well. You see, when sin entered into the human race it damaged our makeup, physically and spiritually, so parts of our minds can be affected by both, some peoples minds simply cant work well and need the assistants of certain medicines to balance out the chemicals in the body that help to regulate their emotional responses to the world around them. Without God, the medicine is only a temporary fix though and the love of God, through you, others, His word/Spirit have to bring the complete balance for a functional life.
---Poppa_Bear on 2/11/12

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Your son is not qualified to diagnose himself. Even if he was, he would not be able to do so if he really is schizophrenic. He needs to see a psychiatrist. If you feel he is an immediate threat to his own or another person's safety, you can admit him to the ER at your hospital for a psychiatric evaluation. Sometimes people who make suicide threats actually have an attention seeking problem. Some will actually attempt or commit suicide for attention. Nonetheless, every threat needs to be taken seriously. A psychiatrist can determine if it is true schizophrenia or attention seeking behavior. If it is the later, it will quickly cease if you take it seriously, as your son will not like the consequences of being treated like a schizophrenic.
---Jed on 2/10/12

meds are a good start especially if properly applied and used. but, there are spiritual weaknesses (on the front end) and ramifications (on the back end) for everything including the misapplication and misuse of drugs (pharmakeia)
---aka on 2/10/12

My advice would be to get BOTH medication and spiritual help.

My own experiences with doctors, and churches, has led me to discover some very good things in both.

With time, and advice from others, I'm sure that you can find what is helpful for your son.

Even with the latest medications, finding the right combination can take time and patience.

Hopefully, your son will improve to the point where he will not need medication some day.

Pray for your son. Shower him with love!
---Sag on 2/10/12

Trish is right.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/12

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Mental illness is very hard to treat. It really is a guessing game from a doctor's point of view. However, meds are good and do work. Definitely use both and maybe God work a miracle and son wiil not need them (like a friend of mine who is now off after many years) but maybe not so use wisdom and go see a doctor.
---Scott1 on 2/10/12

Get your son to a psychiatrist for a psychiatric evaluation, and get him whatever medications that are prescribed. If your son is schizophrenic, it is a chemical problem in his brain, not a spiritual matter. If you have people telling you not to get the meds, they are not your friends, and are ignorant of mental illness.
---Trish on 2/10/12

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