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When I go to church, I sometimes think that the place is like what I've read about the RMS Titanic. The ship that "God Couldn't Sink". Has anyone else had similar experiences?

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One time though, the prayer group leader INSISTED that everyone Stand Up, Join Hands, and Raise Their Joined Hands Up-and-Down repeatedly until the group was dismissed. About 1 hour. Man, were my hands and arms sore. Never attended one of that prayer group's meetings again.

Just don't go to a football game those last about 3 hours and people raise there hands all the time for 18 to 21 year olds.
---Scott1 on 5/3/12

amen amen amen bro elder. Still love me some King James bible.
---Shira4368 on 5/3/12

elder, when you are ready to receive, address me.
---Eloy on 5/2/12

Eloy said,"Elder, God made all mankind naked, no undecency."
Well them Eloy why cover up a lady "slain in the spirit?" According to you if God did it it must be OK to lay in the floor half or more naked.
We have all read your foolishness, which sounds like a demon speaking, and know enough to reject your brand of "spiritually."
---Elder on 5/1/12

Hello,Bless you bro.Mark,thankyou,for that wonderfull response to my blogg tell 'bout doctors,etc.. well,smile...tell your dear wife,I send blessings! bro.Mark you wud have been surprised Sunday service we study 'n had to answer questions re: Jesus when he came "resurrection"...disciples had to see the scars his hand 'n feet..." long story short,wow! I answer' every question right! ha!ha! The pastor smile..Knows I am always here...Smiles! It's workin' teacher! :) ELENA
---ELENA on 4/24/12

Elena, thanks for your testimony. Here is how I see it, those doctors don't no about God are they would have known the reason you are still walking is because of God. Prayer is very important to God since it is the way we spiritually and truthfully communicate with Him and keep the relationship going. I am glad you are one of many who is still walking and that the test are getting better. God has a time for each one of us and nothing is going to stop that time. If it is His will for you to continue in life, you will.
Our joy is our joy, our faith in Christ is our hope. And I am glad you have that faith, peace and love I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/12

hello,Family,really have enjoy'read all these posts by all my friends..bro.Mark you had me "crack'n up!" smile..bout the church with all hold'uphands,etc..Yes! I get times not 'n the mood run all o'er too! Anyway,my point is for yearswent to these type churches 'n so,once finally got to hospital re:cancer diagnosis 'gave me lots tests... even tho' I got mammogram every yr. Kept tell'them I believe a problem...They said "no"...So,here we go 1-1/2yrs.Ago now! Then they said...."You got breastcancer!" So,n short those prayers really helped me becuz the cancer dr's they cannot fiqure out how I walked round wow! 11yrs. with breast cancer! Never a pain or,thank God! Got faith God will see me thru...Heb.11:1
---ELENA on 4/23/12

Sag, Some people's God is too small. God is not in a box, nor can he be put into one. So you are a conservative type, that is quite ok, for there are many conservative churches that welcome conservative worship. I myself am a pentecostal, and I favor worshipping liberally, and there are many pentecostal churches available today for liberal types. Isn't it wonderful that there are so many different types of Christian churches to suit the preferences of particular Christians? some loud, and some quiet: some big, and some small: some formal, and some casual.
---Eloy on 4/23/12

Sag, I know what you mean. People take it too much to the left, and some times to far to the right. There is nothing wrong in holding hands. There is nothing wrong in not holding hands. God wants us to worship Him in Spirit and Truth. We can do that anywhere and at any time. I like holding hands, not because God tells me, but I "myself" feel a unity. People think if you don't do something they are use to doing you are not one of them. They compare you to themselves. God's gifts to each one of the believers sometimes are different, we feel different duties given to us with the gifts. We are all one spiritual body with different parts.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/12

Our motives and desires and actions are ours.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/12

I've been to some prayer meetings, and church services, were there was ONLY a single acceptable way to praise GOD, receive prayer, etc. Hmmm.

I usually like to sit down in a pew, chair, etc.

One time though, the prayer group leader INSISTED that everyone Stand Up, Join Hands, and Raise Their Joined Hands Up-and-Down repeatedly until the group was dismissed. About 1 hour. Man, were my hands and arms sore. Never attended one of that prayer group's meetings again.

When I explained to the group's leader that I didn't think that all the gesturing was necessary, I was told to never come back. Ever.

Some Prayer Meeting that was!
---Sag on 4/22/12

Sag, you are correct again with your answer. A person can dance, he can jump up, fall down, do the twist, but lets be clear, God is not causing him to do that, he himself is causing it. A person might love God so much, he wants to tell the world, but the only thing that comes from God is the love of God and the Truth of His Word when we speak it. That is Truth. Everything else is caused by us. God doesn't have to go around knocking people on the head and blowing them down to show His power, or does He go around tickleing them to make them laugh. They laugh because they want to laugh. His Word is His power. Our motives and desires and actions are ours.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/12

Sag, Not quite. For all people of the selfsame Spirit of God also know full well that it is real. And if it is also a medical miracle that is manifested, the physical evidence also testifies that the supernatural miracle is real and tangible and measured and documented fact, and all flesh can also bear witness to the truth and to the reality.
---Eloy on 4/22/12

Sag, you did not answer my question. What about "Real" holy laughter from God?
---Eloy on 4/21/12

Only that person, and GOD, know if an experience is indeed REAL.

For Example, David "Danced" before the Lord. Both David and GOD knew that David's dancing was for a good reason.

Many people view dancing as evil and worshipping the devil. Even some churches believe this.

Whatever the experience -- Laughter, Dancing, Crying, Shouting, Being Slain In The Spirit, etc. -- only that person and GOD know if it is REAL.

I hope that I answered your question!
---Sag on 4/22/12

Sag, you are correct for there is no holy laughter either. That too is from the "Word of faith" teachers. When God brings joy, He does miracles that bring joy in our lives. Laughter is another invention the word of faith teachers have introduced to their teachings. They can never authenticate things they invented that it comes from God. But since Eloy believes he is God, he wants to authenticate it.
And if you don't believe him, you are condemned for speaking against those who preach it.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/12

Sag, you did not answer my question. What about "Real" holy laughter from God? What about when a depressed soul prays to God for joy, and God makes the sad person laugh? Would you still make light of that what is clearly from the Lord? People outside of God's family, like mocking sinners, delight to dis the church and God's people, and their innocent transparency: and therefore they receive zero from the Lord. For when you give zero of yourself up to God, then you get zero from God: and when you dis God's Spirit, then you receive rebuke from God and separation from his Spirit. Your choice, be a member of Christ, or else be a member of the condemned.
---Eloy on 4/21/12


You make me laugh!

Too bad you were not at the Prayer Meeting where I was accused of Sleeping rather than Laughing when I should have.

The Prayer Group Leader angrily demanded to know WHY I was "Squelching Off" the flow of the Holy Spirit. Other people were laughing. But, not me, nor the leader. I just shrugged. He grimaced. Uh, Oh!

I've grown spiritually since that silly incident. And learned that Holy Laughter is nothing but a gimmick to make a Church, or Prayer Meeting, appear to be blessed.

Jesus Christ and His disciples didn't need Holy Laughter to get closer to GOD. Neither do I.
---Sag on 4/21/12

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Sag, What about someone whom has experienced, "holy laughter", after praying to God asking him for joy, and they are made to laugh? Or a person whom experiences a supernatural healing which is medically documented as being totally cured, after the doctor has said there is nothing else he can do? Or a person whom was praying and was surrounded with a white light and fell to the ground and afterward the demonic oppression was totally gone and the person was totally healed of a fatality? Or a person whom has found real sanctuary and a safe place inside of the church? When a person experiences the tangible reality of the supernatural, it would be denial of the truth to reject that which is a real documented and manifested reality.
---Eloy on 4/21/12

Sag, So are you saying that the church needs to sink like the Titanic sank?
---Eloy on 4/21/12

GOD's church will never sink!

However, I've attended many churches where DENIAL and LIES, rather than GOD's TRUTHS, were the pillar of some people's faith.

I was STUPID, and bought into those STUPID lies for a while.

People who believe the following lies are just like people's wrongly believing that the Titanic could never sink. But the Titanic DID sink!

lies, Lies, LIES:

Holy Laughter

Physical Healing IS Always GOD's Will

Slain IN The Spirit

Tithing IS For Today

The Church IS A Safe Place

Cliques DON'T EXIST In The Church

---Sag on 4/21/12

Sag, I have not had any similar experience.
---Eloy on 4/21/12

Eloy, you gave proof I am right concerning who you think you are. Here you give words from your own mouth, put them in red and say it is the lord who is speaking. But they are your own words.
You don't want anyone to disagree with you, and if they do, as we have and as your own wife has, we are now condemned because you believe you are God and we should not speak against you. Sorry Eloy, you will sink as the Titanic sank unless the real God of Scripture makes a change in your heart. There is no other way. Hoax's don't work. Here you can see what depravity really means, that no matter how much Truth is given to you, your will, will always reject it.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/12

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Sag, So are you saying that the church needs to sink like the Titanic sank?
---Eloy on 4/21/12

"The wicked are quick to raise their tongue against my children, but their foul tongues will rot away in their head, and their lies will return upon themselves, says the Lord. And think not that I am slack to help my children, says the Lord. I will help with my mighty arm. I will bring swift judgment upon all that have hurt my children. Every evil organization and every vile work that they have worked will come nought, they will seek remedy on every side, says the Lord, but none will they find, but only evil on every side they will find, until I make an utter end of their wickedness. For all will come to know that I the Lord care for my own."
---Eloy on 4/21/12

Shira, I understand, God does forgive, but He forgives those who repent. I have prayed for Eloy, and Kathr for a long time, but nothing. I also pray for others who need praying for because of sickness or troubles in life for a long time. So far nothing has happen with Eloy or Kathr. At one time he apologize to everyone and said he was too hard and was going to change, but he is right back to the same thing as before. I thought for a minute God had changed him, but it was all a hoax, he said that because he lost his job. They cannot help their nature. Peace I leave you
---Mark_V. on 4/20/12

On God's Spirit causing people to submit and fall under his presence to the ground: "The natural person receives not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to that one: neither can know that one, because they are spiritually discerned. A double minded person unstable in all their ways. For let not that person think that they will receive any thing of the Lord." I Cor.2:14+ Jm.1:8.7.
---Eloy on 4/20/12

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Daniel experienced the glory: "The men that were with me saw not the vision, but a great quaking fell upon them that they fled to hide themselves. And there remained no strength in me: for my vigor was turned in me into frailty, and I retained no strength. And when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground." Dn.10:7-9 And Paul in the New Testament also experienced Gods shekinah glory and fell to the earth: Please Read- Act 9:3-9+ 22:6-11+ 26:12-18.
---Eloy on 4/20/12

Daniel experienced the glory: "The men that were with me saw not the vision, but a great quaking fell upon them that they fled to hide themselves. And there remained no strength in me: for my vigor was turned in me into frailty, and I retained no strength. And when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground." Dn.10:7-9 And Paul in the New Testament also experienced Gods shekinah glory and fell to the earth: Please Read- Act 9:3-9+ 22:6-11+ 26:12-18.
---Eloy on 4/20/12

I am left wondering even if an experience such as being 'slain in the Spirit' is not mentioned in the scripture that nonetheless such experience can be legitimate.

While I have not experienced that, it is the testimony of many that have had that experience.

I had a friend that went to one of those meetings, got that experience and was puzzled about it, so went through the line again and experienced the same thing.

However, clearly any experience with the Holy Spirit does NOT mean that ones doctrinal views are all correct.
---lee1538 on 4/20/12

markv, thanks for defending me. I know there isn't scripture about slain in the spirit. But you know eloy keeps riding a dead horse and condems anyone that don't see things his way.I have much pity for him. He is even writing his own bible because the one God wrote is not good enough. All we can do is pray for him and I do pray for him. God is a forgiving God.
---shira4368 on 4/20/12

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Shira, there is no place in Scripture where been slain by the Spirit is mentioned. It is a something the "Word of Faith" teach. They also believe "we are a class of Gods" by Kenneth Copeland. He also said, "you don't have a god in you, you are one" Now who here believes he is God? None other then Eloy. So don't even bother what he says, and when he condemns you, it also means nothing because he believes he is God.
"Christianity in Crisis" explains all of the arroneous believes they interpret. And Eloy teaches them by the dozen.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/12

Sag, I believe the Titanic did indeed sink.
---Eloy on 4/19/12

eloy, I am not the only one you think is going to hell. I feel sorry for you. No, you have not given one single scripture that proves your point. when you tell someone to get saved you are in standing in judgement. why don't you clean out your own webs before you say some aren't saved when they don't agree with you. You still can't show me scripture of Jesus slaying anyone in the spirit.
---shira4368 on 4/19/12

Eloy, you are just too much with your explanations to support slain in the Spirit.
You say,

" And if a person's skirt is blown upward by the wind, exposing undergarments, that wind is of God, or are you incorrectly blaming the unblamable for sin?"

Wow, you are telling us that the wind is guided by God to raise the skirts of women. Do you even realize what you say? So that man can lust seeing the women undergarments. God purposely moving the wind to cause man to sin, wow. In other words tempting man. Just to prove your point. Let me say that many fell down by the power of God, but they fell dead.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/12

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shira4368, I never said all are going to hell except me, that is your lie. You do not believe in being slain by the Holy Spirit, and I showed you from Scripture this occurrence happening where people fall to the ground when in the prsence of God's glory. In spite of you even personally witnessing this occurrence yourself, you reject it. That is all your rejection, and none of mine. You asked me specific questions, and I answered. I do not force people to accept the truth, and you have the freedom to diss everything I preach, and your dissing is all your's, and none from me. Will you be held accountable for your dissing? Yes indeed, for each one of us will give an account up to God for all that we have both done and said while on the earth.
---Eloy on 4/19/12

eloy, why don't you leave things alone that you know nothing about. You certainly don't know me neither do you know anything about me. I have noticed you think everyone is going to hell except you. anyone who does not agree with you are going to hell. I am a born again believer but I can tell you, what doctrine you come up with is not in my king james bible.
---shira4368 on 4/19/12

shira4368, Are you another lost soul that when I preach Yes, you will say no: and when I say No, you will say yes? If so, then please do not address me until that time that you are ready to receive the truth I post, for until then you are posting falsehood and receiving nothing that I post.
---Eloy on 4/18/12

shira4368, Pentecost, or the outpouring of the Spirit was not sent until after Christ's death and resurrection (ref: Lk.24:49+ Jn.16:7+ Acts 1:4-8+ 2. Therefore, there is no record of the Spirit's pentecostal ministry because Jesus had to finish his mission and depart first, before his Holy Spirit's ministry could begin.
---Eloy on 4/18/12

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eloy, the scripture that you gave in this blog concerning slain in the spirit has nothing to do with slain in the spirit. Acts 9:3-9 is Paul's conversion. Acts 22:6-11 is pauls conversion. It was a special calling to paul from God and the people that were with paul was overwhelmed by the bright lights..that was brighter than the sun. Nothing in the passages speak concerning slain in the spirit. I will tell you again the only ones who fell backwards was the romans.
---shira4368 on 4/18/12

eloy, please forgive me. I thought the scripture is the one you are writing so therefore didn't read it. I just ask for scripture where Jesus was slain in the spirit or made someone else slain in the spirit.
---shira4368 on 4/18/12

shira4368, I already posted scriptures from both testaments, and you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 4/18/12

I totally agree with Shira. All of this falling all over the place is dramatic overkill. The emotional displays in such churches is nothing more than brain chemistry causing the person to feel drunk or high, like long distance runners. The human brain has the feel good chemicals to produce a drunk or high feeling.

As Shira said, there are NO examples anywhere in the New Testament of Jesus, or any other believer, being slain, or falling. It's just dramatic hype.
---Trish on 4/17/12

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eloy, no one can show me where anyone was slain in the spirit. Jesus never did slay anyone. you answered your own question.
---shira4368 on 4/17/12

Sag, But didn't the Titanic indeed sink?
---Eloy on 4/17/12


You said: shira4368, Yes it does. You asked where Jesus fell slain under the Spirit, and I rightly answered to you, that Jesus is God the Potter, so why would he fall under himself? It makes no sense.

In Gethsemane, Jesus prayed to the Father, that dying was not his (Jesus's) will, then said his (the Father's) will be done. Would Jesus pray to himself, and then anguish over the fact that his own will conflicted with itself?

Does THAT make any more sense? If Shira's question doesn't make sense, neither does Gethsemane, or Jesus's baptism, where Jesus would have spoken from heavens, sending Jesus down in dove form to land on Jesus on the ground, saying "Behold, this is myself, in whom I am well pleased".
---StrongAxe on 4/17/12

shira4368, Yes it does. You asked where Jesus fell slain under the Spirit, and I rightly answered to you, that Jesus is God the Potter, so why would he fall under himself? It makes no sense.
---Eloy on 4/16/12

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eloy, what you posted has nothing to do with "slain in the spirit". I have never read where Jesus made man fall backwards. If you can find it in the King James bible, let me know.
---shira4368 on 4/16/12

shira4368, Jesus is God the Potter, so why would he fall under himself? It makes no sense. He operates on the clay, he does not save himself: that's what the mocking sinners said to him after they nailed Jesus up on the cross, "Others he saved, himself he cannot save. If you are the Christ, come down from the cross and we will believe you, you Jesus Son from the Most High God!" He did better, he got right back up from the dead after the sinners killed him, and he took the keys away from Satan, and now he gives all of us Christians the selfsame Almighty power from his Holy Ghost.
---Eloy on 4/16/12

I must correct my self. Jesus never fell was a figure of speech. When he prayed he looked to heaven and at times fell on his face. He never fell backwards and expected someone to catch him.
---shira4368 on 4/16/12

eloy, did you know when Jesus "fell out" he always fell on his face. the only ones who fell backwards was the romans. When Jesus prayed he always looked to heaven.
---shira4368 on 4/15/12

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shira4368, I am not misled, Jesus is my life, and Jesus leads me in the way of everlasting life. As the years go by, I am increasing in knowledge and experience and wisdom to know whom can be trusted, and to whom I should not share the Lord with. I am grateful that God's presence has Almightiness over our individual constitutions. As the wind blows, and makes ripples and waves over the water, so too God's Spirit can fall upon me in waves of glory. "Here I am Lord, I am all yours. I surrender all myself up to you: do to me all your good pleasure, and let my life be pleasing to you."
---Eloy on 4/15/12

shira4368 - You mean that once you became a genuine Chirstian,born of His Spirit, that you did not immediately become perfect and thus incapable of sin?

One of eloy's favorite verses is John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Maybe since you occasionally commit a sin, that born-again experience really did not take.

Eloy seems to want to believe that all ones needs to become a genuine Christian is to add water and stir.

Just pulling on Eloy's hair so we can listen to him scream!
---lee1538 on 4/15/12

eloy, don't be mislead. I have been in the fire many times but He isn't finished with me yet. you can fall all over the floor if you want to but to be honest, God has never lead me to fall out.
---shira4368 on 4/15/12

hello!bro.Eloy thankfull,the Lord heal you 'n yes! I goin' put that verse right where I can see it! I was talk'n tonite at church outside someone who doesnot believe God still heals.. I say keep study the word of God 'n ask him to help your misunderstanding..all scripture is given by inspiration of God,and is profitble for doctrine,forcorrection,for instruction in righteousness.2Tim.3:16
---ELENA on 4/14/12

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Elena, A-men. Praise Jesus, sister. I too have received a miraculous healing and deliverance on my deathbed from the Lord. And I owe my whole life up to Jesus, for if Jesus would not have come to me and answered my praying, then most assuredly I would not be here ministering on this website. Too many people think that Jesus was here over 2,000 years ago, that he is in the past, in history: but they fail to realize that he is here today in the form of his Holy Spirit, and he promises, "Truly, truly I say to you, that whatsoever you all will ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
---Eloy on 4/14/12

Hello! Please forgive me ELDER! How you been doin'? This ELENA... Thankyou so very much,got your message! God bless you! Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 4/14/12

shira4368, To each their own. When The Potter is in His house, and the clay offers themself up to The Potter, The Potter will work upon the clay, molding, spinning, and tempering in His fire for to produce His vessel to honor reflective of The Master's handiwork.
---Eloy on 4/13/12

Thankyou!bro.Eloy,now,another time this was still 'n my 20's after coming out hospital/nothing work for me,honest truth! In such a holiness church,God heal' meout of wheelchair yrs. Ago! praise almighty God! been walk'n every sinceto the glory of God.A minister came 'n the bldg.Asked our pastor could he pray for 2 people.I believe he show minister's license fr PuertoRico.he asked to pray for me.He touch my feet, prayed 45 min.I felt "movement small toes....The rest is history.I have experienced the power of God.I don't make small his power! .. faith somthing good hewill do for me now! that reason,have cleave to God 'now.
---ELENA on 4/13/12

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It varies. I do remember being at one service where the power of God was so heavy, people were falling over like bowling pins. The friend I was with fell over several times, and I had to help him to my car. I didn't fall over, but I was staggering around as if I was drunk, and I felt uncoordinated as if I was actually drunk (remember how this happened in Acts 2? Others accused the Apostles of being drunk). We sat in my car for half an hour afterwards before I felt coordinated enough to feel safe enough to drive.
---StrongAxe on 4/13/12

Thankyou!Moderator- thankyou,bro.Eloy yes,the Lord be with you & reward you for your faithfullness. we all need encouragement. Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 4/13/12

eloy, I have been in services that was completely under the Holy Spirit and yet have not seen such a display of people falling all over the floor. I hope you don't really believe that churches who condone falling in the floor is more spiritual than one that doesn't. You can keep your church that falls all over the floor and I will keep mine where people are shouting and praying and testifying in the spirit.
---shira4368 on 4/13/12


You said: strongax, there is No "First of all..."

I am not sure what you meant by that.

Did you mean I was wrong when I said there was biblical precedent for being Slain in the Spirit? (If so, how would you categorize what happened to Saul?)

Or did you mean I was wrong when I said there was no biblical precedent for catchers and towel throwers? (If so, where?)

Or did you mean something else entirely?
---StrongAxe on 4/13/12

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Elder, God made all mankind naked, no undecency. Mankind sinned and therefore nakedness became undecent to man and clothing was made to cover up the body that God made. When a person goes to the Doctor for examination, clothing may be a barrier to the exam, and undressing is necessary and not undecent. And if a person's skirt is blown upward by the wind, exposing undergarments, that wind is of God, or are you incorrectly blaming the unblamable for sin? When a person falls under God's Spirit, of course it is God's Spirit, or how else would the person fall if God's presence was not the causal impetus or source? The church is the submissive and passive receiving vessel: and God Almighty is the active and giving power of his gifts to his people.
---Eloy on 4/13/12

Elena, Sorry to hear about what that ungodly minister had done to you. Sinners like that do a great disservice to God. There are many sinners in the churches today whom spread their sins, rather than repenting from their sins and getting saved.
---Eloy on 4/13/12

strongax, there is No "First of all..."
---Eloy on 4/13/12

shira, People present themselves to God's Spirit, "letting go and letting God", trusting God's power will help them and heal them and make them better, just as a person presents themself to their personal Doctor, trusting their Doctor will help them and heal them and make them better. This manifestation is called the shekinah glory (from Hb: shakaun, dwelling, Ex.40:35), the divine presence of God. And yes it is very common during praise, worship, and prayer. It's when God's Holiness overwhelms you. Please read II Chronicles 5:13,14, Daniel 10:8,9. Recall how God's shekinah glory came upon Paul on the road to Damascus. Those with him heard the voice, but they did not hear the Hebrew speech. Please read Acts 9:3-9+ 22:6-11+ 26:12-18
---Eloy on 4/13/12

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hello,thankyou Strongaxe,appreciate it. We both know that God is a real! No one has to "pump up" or use lies,try to disgrace anyone so,they can get the people to believe they are real.The word says by their fruits you will know them.My friends who were the pastors there said "we are totally sorry,and he will not be invited bk".Well,nothing stops me determined, when first,got on ChristiaNet some opposed but,have learn alot 'n it keeps me searching the scriptures for in them I have life. Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 4/13/12

hello,family,really can only say that for years I have witness this "slain in the spirit" 'n churches,even a charismatic Catholic church they prayed 'n once again people fell out & they had the ladies one side but,also,had heavy rugs so,no one got hurt'n they had the men far away from the women and they prayed bk part of the church. I got to be honest and tell you for years,kept goin' these churches Those prayers for me certainly,I believe helped me alot.God get the glory!
---ELENA on 4/13/12


If that visiting minster was lying in God's name (i.e. saying lies he made up just to boost up his own ministry, and saying God told him), that is a specific case of using God's name in vain. He will eventually get what's coming to him.
---StrongAxe on 4/13/12

" cover those people's parts whom do fall out under the glory, and are laying on the floor and need to be covered for decency."
Com'on now. Are you trying to tell us that God does something to His people that causes them to be un-decent? How come you think God does this and then can't control a skirt or dress? Are you sure that this is God's activity?
---Elder on 4/13/12

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I would think the Holy Spirit is able to put someone on the floor without the person getting injured.

And it says, "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?" (1 Corinthians 6:1) So, I understand it is anti-Bible for a Christian to sue another Christian or take any Christian matter to secular court. This "could" include taking marital matters to secular court, in order to get a "divorce".

"I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers!"" (1 Corinthians 6:5-6)
---willie_c: on 4/13/12

I would like for someone to tell me the reason some feel the need to get slain in the spirit. What spiritual good comes from this? Does it edify believers? Just what is the reason some churches do this and some don't. I have been in both kinds of churches and the churches who do not do this is much more spritual...just trying to understand why.
---shira4368 on 4/13/12

bro.Sag,This ELENA Myelf been years the pentecostal churches 'n like bro.Eloy says usually,well organized the women they cover up quick if they fall "slain" 'n the spirit..and the men are separated from the ladies. one time I go bk to old church yrs.ago 'n a minister (visiting) say that I am a witch 'n that God told him all kinds of images of such all over my house". Nothing but,propaganda"later he told me 'n private the pastor told him me & my husband are Cubans 'n he figure more people will believe 'n his ministry if he propose to use us to get attention.I told him my husband at that time was studying for the ministry,we didn't come to be his "scapegoats!" that how will he answer to God? Never went bk.
---ELENA on 4/12/12


First of all, while there IS Biblical precedence for being "slain in the Spirit" (e.g. when Saul encountered a group of prophets, he fell into a prophetic ecstasy with them), there is no mention of the church having procedures in place for dealing with it (catchers, towel throwers, etc.)

I have been at a at least one or two situations where catchers were present, but the person fell anyway (in one case, several people fell, one of whom was a very heavy woman, so she fell despite the attempts to catch her, because another person had already fallen in the place where a catcher would have needed to stand).
---StrongAxe on 4/12/12

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Sag, Unless being slain in the Spirit is a brand new phenomenon or happening in the church, there should be elders or church members whom stand behind the person that is being prayed for, in order to be prepared to catch the person in case they do fall under the shekinah glory. And there should also be some church members whom have an arm full of 4 foot x 4 foot light-weight cotton cloths to use to cover those people's parts whom do fall out under the glory, and are laying on the floor and need to be covered for decency.
---Eloy on 4/12/12

Some churches have services where:

(1) People get prayer.
(2) They are Slain In The Spirit and Fall, are Pushed, etc.
(3) Church Workers catch some and continue praying for others.

Some people, including myself, have had "Hard" Falls during these church services. Some lawsuits.

Reporting our injuries to the Pastor is met with a response of "You're Just Being Blasphemous and Unfaithful!" or something like that.

Sound like the thinking that was prevalent among the RMS Titanic's owners and crew?

"God Himself Couldn't Sink This Ship!"

Really? WHY, then, did the RMS Titanic sink?

Why did we get injured at your church's Prayer Service, Mr(s) Pastor?
---Sag on 4/12/12

This is a very badly mixed metaphor.

What exactly do you mean?

Ever read the Screwtape Letters? To summarize what was said in one letter, too many times people go to church as a judge when God wants them to be students.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/12/12

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