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Understanding The Bible

Is the Bible written for all men to read and understand or are its teachings hidden to everyone except Christians?

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elder, Awake to righteousness! and cease condemning yourself.
---Eloy on 5/1/12

Cluny needs salvation.
---Eloy on 4/30/12

Eloy has gone back to his old way of condemning people for not agreeing with him. Most of us, Trish and myself, have been here long enough to ignore Eloy's foolish statements and ideas about Scripture and a host of other things.
I really think the boy needs to cut the apron strings and move outta mama's house.
---Elder on 4/30/12

\\You say your translations are correct because God revealed those languages to you, and the experts are wrong.

The god that reveals things to Eloy is clearly NOT the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of the Bible.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/30/12

Eloy: Your ignorance of Reading education, and your arrogance about the English language are appalling.

I taught Reading comprehension for 25 years. My daughter has a Masters in Reading and teaches Reading to future teachers at the college level. Reading comprehension is taught everyday in schools all over the country. So is grammar, spelling, and word usage, none of which you seem to have studied, for yours is pitiful.
---Trish on 4/30/12


On many occasions, you have offered your own translations of Hebrew and Greek scriptures that vary markedly from those accepted worldwide by experts in the field. You say your translations are correct because God revealed those languages to you, and the experts are wrong.

Koinone Greek was the language of the NT and the Mediterranean 2000 years ago. If God revealed a Greek to you that was different, that would make THAT language NOT the same language spoken then nor the language of the NT.

Similarly, if God teaches you a grammar different than the English everyone else speaks, it may be a valid language, but it is NOT the same English used in English bibles, this web site, and the rest of the English-speaking world.
---StrongAxe on 4/30/12

Trish, You do not know what "comprehension" mmeans. Comprehension and understanding cannot be obtained from any scholastic book, nor can it be taught. The best that an instructor can do is to provide the definitons of the literature to the student, but the instructor is not able to make the student comprehend anything at all. For the students capacity to understand the material has zero to do with the reading material given to the student to read. Learn the truth!
---Eloy on 4/30/12

strongax, As I have already corrected you on this before, when you are ready to accept the truth, then address me. And until then, don't.
---Eloy on 4/30/12

michael_e, It is a very common error for people and antiChrist ministers to misapply and miscontext the scriptures in order to support sin. Many people also read into the scriptures to twist them into what they want the scriptures to say, rather than let the scriptures read into them.
---Eloy on 4/30/12

Eloy, have you considered that the spirit reveals spiritual truths to the believer? You can have comprehension and your vocabulary could be perfect and yet not have any spiritual truth? Jesus thank the Father for hidding spiritual truth from the wise and prudent but revealed them to babes, the new believers as the spirit continues to reveal things to us, as we grow in Christ, that He doesn't reveal to others. read Matthew 11:25.
---Tom on 4/30/12

Eloy on 4/27/12: "Reading comprehension and understanding words come from God, not flesh."

Eloy: I taught reading comprehension and vocabulary for decades. My daughter is a reading specialist. I taught these things to children of all faiths.

I think you need help in writing coherent sentences so that you make sense. I also taught writing, grammar and spelling skills as well.
---Trish on 4/29/12


The reason I pointed it out is you frequently claim to have supernatural knowledge of things everyone else learns through natural means (for example, English and Hebrew and Greek grammar and vocabulary). I.e. you don't learn them from teachers and experts in the field, but instead rely on what you believe God imparts to you directly, even if it contradicts the knowledge of thousands of experts over many centuries.

God may supernaturally tell someone "flee your home, because a tornado will destroy it tomorow". He doesn't tell him "a cow is an milk-giving animal with four legs". God didn't name the animals in Genesis - he left that task to Adam, and left it for Adam to teach his children.
---StrongAxe on 4/29/12

the whole secret to understanding The Bible is this, pay attention to whom a particular Scripture is written to, and don't confuse Israel with the Church. God was careful in separating the two, and we should be also. And for the most part when God is speaking to the Church Age believer (that's you and I) He does this through the Apostle Paul's writings. A lot of the things that were applicable to Israel are not to the Church today.
---michael_e on 4/29/12

strongax, No one said anything about "waiting" nor about neglecting to obey God's direction to train and to study. I am making the clear disnction between natural learning, and supernatural knowledge, which trish and yourself are not grasping: natural education is book knowledge that the general populace acquires, and the other is given from God to the spiritual and the soft-hearted. There are frequent times that Father imparts words of knowledge to me that no other person in the world knows yet, and you can know it is from God because after I speak it the word which he gave me and which I said comes to pass whatsoever the word was.
---Eloy on 4/29/12


Yes, the Bible says "train up your child", not "wait for the Lord to teach up your child". It says "Study to show yourself approved", not "wait for the Lord to download knowledge directly into your brain". These rely on normal, traditional (i.e. passed from one generation to another) ways of transmitting knowledge, NOT learning religion or languages or anything else directly from God. If we did that, we would have no need for bibles or anything else to read. But it doesn't work that way, and, except before the Fall, it never has.

Also, how is an illustrated Bible that shows indecency to condemn it different from a written Bible that shows indecency to condemn it?
---StrongAxe on 4/29/12

trish, Education is not the same thing as Spiritual impartation from the Holy Spirit and discernment from God. The Bible instructs us to, Train up a child in the way that they should go, and when they are old they will not depart from it, and again, Study to show your self approved. But dissers outside of the family do not see God's face, but instead they are shown his back: "The secrets to Yhwh our God, but those revealed to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. But the natural person receives not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to that one: neither can know that one, because they are spiritually discerned." Dt.29:29+ I Cor.2:14.
---Eloy on 4/28/12

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Strongax, When indecency is presented for the sole purpose of exposing the indecency in order to correct and judge it, this is not promotion of that indecency. For example, when the courts of the present indecency in the public courtroom in order to judge the indeceny as wrong, that is righteousness and is not the courst promoting the indecency. Therefore by your logic, all judicial courts should be censored or banned in the land for exposing indency. That is a gross miscarriage of justice. The Bible sheds BRIGHT LIGHT on that what is Right and honorable and lawful, and also on that what is Wrong and dishonorable and unlawful. You cannot shut God's Word against the public, just as you cannot quench the sun from shining in the sky.
---Eloy on 4/28/12


If it is OK to censor media "in the name of decency", many argue that the Bible should similarly be banned for the same reason, because it also contains descriptions of murder, rape, incest, etc. How would you feel it that happened?

Be careful that you don't apply standards to others that you wouldn't want applied to yourself!
---StrongAxe on 4/28/12

Tom, Amen to what you have just said.
---christan on 4/28/12

Ginger, I have oppose some views that markv gives, but all three of you are speaking with the same nasty words, no wonder all of you get answers like you do, and none of you will stop. You ask godly questions together with evil nasty stuff. There is no debate, no godly discussions, just pure anger. I am so sure now all three are the same person, because all three speak the same way, not about the bible but nasty stuff. You entice others to sin. You should know temptation comes from the devil.
---Tom on 4/28/12

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No one was crucified with Christ BEFORE He was first born of a virgin, DIED ON A CROSS shedding His own blood.

How was that possible for Adam /Eve?? Yet you want to tell us OT saints were quickened, or brought to life through being quickened with Christ as we identify with Christ in death and resurrection life.

Firstly, you do not understand the doctrine of the CROSS. Why, because Calvin never understood it .

You chose to follow Calvin, and NOT Christ. Following Christ is Picking up your cross and folowing Him in death and resurrection life.

Revisit Philippians 3..."Being made CONFORMABLE to His death SO THAT I may attain to the resurrection.

These are those who eat His flesh and drink His Blood!
---kathr4453 on 4/28/12

Christan, isn't it interesting how you all love John 6, yet overlook the most powerful verses in that chapter.

TODAY we enter a "NEW" and LIVING WAY, through the veil, that is to say His Flesh , meaning I am Crucified with Christ/ meaning to eat His flesh and drink His Blood.

TODAY is that of the NEW Covenant. The New Covenant came into effect at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Just read Hebrews. RICH in doctrine about Jesus/ BLOOD/ New Covenant/ Everlasting Covenant/Old Covenant....yet never mentions a covenent of grace.

Until you repent of a bogus false covenant never found in scripture, you will never SEE the Truth.
---kathr4453 on 4/28/12

Eloy: Why do we teach reading in school, if reading comprehension comes from God and not man.

Same for grammar and spelling, which you obviously have not learned.
---Trish on 4/28/12

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me (Gal 2:20)

For ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life shall appear then shall ye also appear with him in glory (Col 3:3,4)

Now I ask you, Christan, are you alive right now, or are you dead and Christ alive in you?
---LindaH on 4/28/12

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Atheist, censoring indecency from the public and from children is legal and morally obligatory. For good reason people wear clothing in public. The Holy Bible is also available on Audio CD, Video DVD, and in Braille.
---Eloy on 4/27/12

"So, I'm glad YOU finally see that our old adam was not rebirthed, but CRUCIFIED with Christ." kathr

Shucks! And I thought you understood the doctrine of regeneration. First of all, no vessels of dishonor (reprobates) are crucified with Christ! And guess which vessel Adam belong to? Do you need to guess? Only the the vessels of honor (God's elect) are crucified with Christ.

To be crucified with Christ is to say one is saved from their sins. I'm very sure Adam and Eve wasn't, just as sure that Judas, Pharaoh, Herod and multitudes weren't and aren't saved. So, how can they be crucified with Christ and not be saved?

Well, back to the drawing board......
---christan on 4/27/12

christan, in scripture FLESH is referring to our old adam. or Adam 1 of which we all have partaken of when we are born. The FIRST Adam was a life giving SOUL. The LAST Adam/ CHRIST is a life giving or QUICKENING Spirit. That was NOT first that was spiritual. but EARTHLY/AKA fleshly, carnal, made of CLAY OLD MAN etc.

So, I'm glad YOU finally see that our old adam was not rebirthed, but CRUCIFIED with Christ.

We are not renovated/reconstructed/ back to our old adam rebirthing our spirit you said died in order to believe.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/12

Is the Bible written for all men to read and understand or are its teachings hidden to everyone except Christians?
---Blogger9680 on 4/24/12

Good question
To start with, because there are so many " christians" each with thier seperate doctrines, It would be hard to say that " christians" understand the bible.

The bible can be understood by anyone and everyone. It all depends on what they want to understand.

If you want to understand the literature, you can, and if you want to understand the scriptures you can
---francis on 4/27/12

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Tom, as God is my witness, I am NOT Kathr or Ginger. I dont understand why its so hard to believe that many hold the exact same beliefs because they get their doctrine from the EXACT words of scripture without using mans reasoning to fill in the blanks.

If Mark would only listen to the Holy Spirit telling him we are not the same person, he would know the truth and would let the matter rest. Since I and Kathr and Ginger know the truth of the matter, I would love for Mark to tell how God answered him.
---LindaH on 4/27/12

"Exactly, therefore our FLESH is not re-birthed." kathr

Praise the Lord! Finally you have admitted that the man's spirit is indeed "dead in sins and trespasses", that's why it's in need of Spiritual birth, aka "born of the Spirit". Therefore, this act of "re-birth" is 100% the work of the Spirit, isn't it? And the sinner receives this "re-birth" from the Spirit while he was "dead". Hence, "born of the Spirit". Passive and most definitely not active. Amen!

There, was it so hard to say it?
---christan on 4/27/12

\\No, Robert Crumb was an underground cartoonist, and I read online that his Genesis book has explicit sexual content\\

How curious, Eloy.

Youm say youm read the internet and apparently believe it.

But youm also say youm don't believe dictionaries, lexica of Biblical langauges, or manuals of English grammar.


Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/27/12

Reading comprehension and understanding words come from God, not flesh. How else does a little child know the deep things of God, when they have not even learnt sentence structure nor grammar yet, if God were not the revealer of truth? "If any of you lack wisdom, let that person ask of God, that gives to all liberally, and without reproach, and it will be given to that person." James 1:5. We are instructed to, Study to show ourselves approved. I enjoy studying and learning the holy scriptures, and sharing this with others. The Holy Ghost himself reveals things to me because I hunger and I thirst for the things of God.
---Eloy on 4/27/12

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LindaH: harken unto the Word of God, "For it is written in the book of Psalms (69:25), Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein" Acts 1:20 - ie, Judas was already predestined for this, and it was fulfilled.

Didn't God chose Israel to be His people? Were they all truly "children of God"? If they were, Paul wouldn't say "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel", continuing, "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:8

That is, only those "born of the Spirit" are "children of God".
---christan on 4/27/12

Linda didn't say anything wrong. MarkV is hurling false accusations because she won't listen to what his opinion of what the Bible says.
And that is exactly what it is...MARKV'S OPINION.
MarkV tells us who don't agree with him that we are not Christ's sheep.
Linda has simply disagreed, not told him he is not part of Christ.
And neither have I, but he still says since we don't agree with his interpetation, we are not part of Christ.
That is false.

showing love is what a real Christian does.
If you can stomach reading that book to receive some understanding, then read it.
The bible is full of sexual innuendos. Look at David and Bathsheba.
---ginger on 4/27/12

It pointless and fruitless to exalt the flesh and their ability to have "reading comprehension" above another flesh. "Reading comprehension" is of the flesh and Jesus declares, "It is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

---christan on 4/27/12

Exactly, therefore our FLESH is not re-birthed. Remember our FLESH is ALL that is in Adam 1!
---kathr4453 on 4/27/12

Linda, though I do not agree with markv on some issues, he seems to be correct when he suggest that you and kathr are the same person. Before he said that, I though ginger and kathr were the same person. Are you kathr hiding with another names? All three of you express your answers the same.
---Tom on 4/27/12

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Eloy, So we should censor TV to match what you believe? Anyway the Crumb book is still good for adults, especially those with reading comprehension problems. What about people who can't read at all?
---atheist on 4/27/12

Atheist, It doesn't matter, because we already have Bibles written geared for children, and so no NonChristian writing with sexualily explicitivity is necessary for children's minds. The country's apostate condition is already running rampant, to where there is cussing and foul language on television cartoons. I think we need some Christians willing to take out law suits against all the indecent exposure on television stations and in public classrooms and in the work places. First warn them to clean up, then if they refuse sue them in the courts for damages and hefty fines, and/or prison sentences and yank their licenses.
---Eloy on 4/26/12

Just because Christ "chose" Judas as a disciple does not make him a sheep---Christan

Are you saying that Jesus called someone to follow him and that man followed for a while and then turned away? Say it aint so!

Jesus also knew who really believed in him and who didnt(6:64)...yet he asked those whom he KNEW believed in him if they would go away also (6:67). Now why would he do that?
---LindaH on 4/27/12

Linda, is it possible for you to show what poisonous lies were said by markv? I read what he said, and find nothing wrong with it. Do you not realize that athiest, who doesn't even believe in God, is more respectful then you and a few others, and that the words that come from your hearts should be holy? If you and the others are examples of what a Christian is, no one lost will have a reason to believe.
---Tom on 4/27/12

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It pointless and fruitless to exalt the flesh and their ability to have "reading comprehension" above another flesh. "Reading comprehension" is of the flesh and Jesus declares, "It is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

One can have all the reading comprehension skills like those from Harvard or Oxford but so long as the "Spirit quickeneth you not", you will profit nothing from the Word of God, which Jesus declares is "spirit"! More importantly, you even cannot enter God's Kingdom.
---christan on 4/27/12

Linda, I will call you kathr.
Athiest cannot deceive the elect, the beloveth, the Church. Not possible. They are born of the Spirit.
Second, Jesus said concerning to whom He lay's down His life, and it is not for every person,
"...and "I lay down My life for the sheep" And other sheep I have which are not of this fold, them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice, and there will be one flock and one Shepherd" ( John 10:15,16).
Jesus also said,
"... "I told you, and you do not believe...." "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you, My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me."
---Mark_V. on 4/27/12

Reading comprehension is not the reason people do not understand some parts of Scripture. The Spirit has to bring light to the passages before anyone can understand them. People who are lost do not have the heart to percieve the inspired word of God. God has to give them the heart to perceive and the Spirit to guide them unto all truth.
---Tom on 4/27/12

Reading comprehension can be learned. Some people can read a paragraph and they get absolutely nothing out of it, but others can read the selfsame paragraph and they can get the subject, the meaning, the mood, and the tense of what is written. It is the same thing with the Bible: to some people it is just another book with a bunch of isolated words printed on its pages, but for others it is more precious than gold which gives life to the soul and is healing to the bones.
---Eloy on 4/26/12

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"Judas Iscariot was also chosen by Christ. He was lost." Blogger9680

Really? Jesus must have failed in His mission to save His sheep. But, Christ prayed to the Father, "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled." John 17:12

"that the scripture might be fulfilled." Judas a sheep? Nope. Most definitely not. Just because Christ "chose" Judas as a disciple does not make him a sheep. According to Scripture, Judas was predestined to betray Christ. Just because God "chose" Israel as His people, is every Jew saved? Nope.
---christan on 4/26/12


But Robert Crumb's illustrated Genesis uses the actual text, not dumbed down. Neither are the illustrations. Begetting and knowing are begetting and knowing, are they not? Are they not in the bible?
---atheist on 4/26/12

WOW LindaH, AMEN!!

Wasn't that the Pharisees problem too?

FUNNY , the very thing that God uses to conform us to the Image of Jesus Christ is to FORGIVE others as we have been forgiven.

YET, Pharisees don't believe their sin is all that bad. Just ask Paul before his conversion. He thought himself blameless and the Elect and Murdered Christians.

Maybe markv needs to fall into something so horrible just to know what humility really is.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/12

If they don't believe it's because they have no faith in God---Mark

Would you put your trust in one who wants to kill you?

All you do with your poisonous lies is put doubt in the hearts of men as to whether or not Jesus did die for them. And you dare to disguise it as honoring Gods sovereignty. Foolish man, you deny the very Lord who bought you! (2 Peter 2:1)

Well let me be the first to tell these poor souls who are struggling with that doubt: Do not listen to this mans words. He is blinded by his own unforgiving heart and elitist attitude - believing himself more loved by God because he hasn't committed certain sins.

Jesus died for ALL men. (1 John 2:2)
---LindaH on 4/26/12

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NonChristians continually blaspheming the Bible. Get saved sinners!
---Eloy on 4/26/12

Some things in the bible anyone can understand the bible calls these "sincere milk of the word".

Other things like a lot of Paul's teaching is what is called in the Bible "deep meat" have to be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

Advice to you if you are seeking, sit under a preacher/teacher, listen to what he says and compare it to what the Bible says. The Holy Spirit will reveal if it is true or false.
---ginger on 4/26/12

\\I read online that his Genesis book has explicit sexual content,\\

The Bible itself has explicit sexual content.

So what?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/12

Haz, I believe as Christians many are too hard on Athiest. Athiest is no different then anyone without God. If they don't believe it's because they have no faith in God. We should understand that. Why hammer them if they don't have faith? Actually, I believe it's worse when those who call themselves believers speak evil to those who disagree with anything you write from Scripture. They are worse because they represent the Lord, and nothing but evil comes out of their mouths. They are either very bad witnesses for Christ or athiest themselves. Athiest has questions, we should be ready to answer, if we want to discuss anything with him, not to change him, but to answer. If we cannot, we shouldn't answer him. Who knows, God might save him yet.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/12

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Atheisyt, No, Robert Crumb was an underground cartoonist, and I read online that his Genesis book has explicit sexual content, with a posted warning on the cover to have adult supervision for children. Therefore it is not a Christian work.
Instead, I would get a Christian Bible for children, like, "King James Version Discoverer's Bible".
---Eloy on 4/26/12

The cross does not represent favoritism and selfishness. The cross represents self-denial and self-sacrifice. To follow Jesus, we must take up our cross. (Matt 16:24)LindaH//
AMEN that is exactly what Jesus was saying in Matthew 19:28. Those who FOLLOW JESUS in death and resurrection life are those who are regenerated and promised to reign and rule with Christ.
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Nothing about any elect being GIVEN regeneration.

This IS the Doctrine of the CROSS Paul was taking about.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/12

Why then is the Preaching of the CROSS foolishness to you MarkV???
---kathr4453 on 4/26/12


You mean like "The Book of Genesis", illustrated by Robert Crumb. That combines pictures and the original text. Is that what you mean?
---atheist on 4/26/12

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Its written for all men. Its written so they may repent and believe on the one true God who is also our Savior.

God is not willing that anyone perish. This is why He gave us his word and why Jesus who is the light of all men came into the world.
---Jasheradan on 4/26/12

Atheist, Yes of course I would. But I would probably make use of a children's Bible which has colorful pictures for the children to help illustrate the good news of Jesus Christ for them. You see Atheist, the sooner a soul learns to get on the right path in life, the righteous path, the path that Jesus walks, the better off they are: because when God Almighty is with you, than no one in the world can stand against you.
---Eloy on 4/26/12

I'll give you two passages, and if God wants you to see the Truth, you will see it--MarkV

Why would you even question if God wants a man to know the truth and be saved when the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write it (1 Timothy 2:4) and He himself convicts the world of sin (John 16:9)?

Brother, from what Ive seen, when confusion sets into your mind you disregard (or reword)certain scriptures because they don't agree with the conclusions that you've already made. That can lead to deception.

Its better to humble yourself and admit you don't have all the answers, than it is to draw a false conclusion that makes God out to be a liar.
---Blogger9680 on 4/26/12

The cross does not represent favoritism and selfishness. The cross represents self-denial and self-sacrifice. To follow Jesus, we must take up our cross. (Matt 16:24)

Those who are lost do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them so they see those things as foolishness since their hearts will only allow them to think of themselves and their own well-being. They also tend to think of themselves as better than others and are quick to judge others to ease their own guilt

They still fear death and are held captive by satan in the bondage of sin and selfishness (Heb 2:14,15)
---LindaH on 4/26/12

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Blogger96, the Bible is written for all men. But not all men will understand it's teachings. I'll give you two passages, and if God wants you to see the Truth, you will see it.

"The preaching of the Cross is to them that (what?) perish (the lost) foolishness, but unto (who?) "us" which are saved" it is the power of God" ( 1 Cor. 1:18). The lost don't understand it, its foolishness to them.

Now read this passage,
"But we preach Christ crucified, (to who?) unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness: But "unto them which are called" both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God" (1 Cor. 1:23,24).
---Mark_V. on 4/26/12

athiest, you really let the whole know how stupid you are. everytime you open your mouth, satan comes out but christians are aware of you and your co hearts.
---shira4368 on 4/26/12


You would let children read that thing, would you?
---atheist on 4/26/12

Atheist: Your question has been answered, but you don't accept the answer.

You claim the Bible is the product of man, yet you have no understanding of it hence no basis to your claim.
Consider again 1Cor 2:14 "But the NATURAL man does NOT receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned."

BUT, strangely, you're content being the NATURAL man, holding onto Atheism. Atheists believe there is no God, but you contradict this. You claim you "don't know" when questioned on Atheism's absurd belief that NOTHING evolved the huge diversity of complex life we see.
Clearly Atheism is the product of man.

---Haz27 on 4/26/12

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Atheist, The Bible is very clear, so clear that even children understand its message. The reason you, along with many others, do not understand the Bible is because of the hardness of your heart. As long as you have a wall built up against God and his words, and as long as you are preoccupied with dissing him, then you cannot receive any guidance from him. Unless two walk in agreement together, there is no fellowship with them. Which of the following type person are you? one of them who sit together at the Lord's table? or one of them who spit in the Lord's face? For as long as you're casting blame upon your Lord, you will not receive any understanding of your Lord.
---Eloy on 4/25/12

//Also by asking and answering WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and to WHOM the scripture was written.
---Rob on 4/24/12//
---michael_e on 4/25/12

Haz and Eloy,

You are evading the question. If you was there and omnipotent he could've left a much clearer set of instructions. These, that is the bible, is clearly the product of not a god, but of men.

Repeatedly saying that those who don't agree with you simply do not wish to see the truth, could be said of anything, about anyone, or by any one.

That your reference is the bible proves nothing other than you are referencing the bible. loop de loop.
---atheist on 4/25/12

Atheist said about the Bible: "why is it so long, confusing, contradictory, and in general hard to understand? Why would god hide his teachings?

Non-believers refuse to understand.
Matt 13:15 "Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive,
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them."

Atheist, if you become a Christian seeking the truth then "blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear" Matt 13:16
---Haz27 on 4/25/12

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Atheist, You cannot blame the unblamable and the perfect. Like anything in life, you will only get out of something that what you put of yourself into it. For example, in one classroom you will have two basic types of students: those whom want to learn the subject being taught in the class, and those whom do not want to learn the subject being taught in the class: The willing are eager to learn and attentive to the teacher and the material, but the nonwilling are nonattentive and may phase out into day dreams being elsewhere, rather than listening to the teacher and the subject: Them which desire to know the Truth, will come to know. And them which desire not to know, will not know but remain in darkness.
---Eloy on 4/25/12

"God's word is "written for all men to read and understand", but they best can understand after they become Christians." willie

If men are already Christians when the read the Bible, what was their basis for becoming a Christian? If the Bible is the word of god, and Christianity is true why wouldn't reading it convinced believers of any faith or non-believers to come to Christianity? If the bible's purpose is to bring people to Christianity why is it so long, confusing, contradictory, and in general hard to understand? Why would god hide his teachings?
---atheist on 4/24/12

From experience, I have learned the only way to know and understand scripture is by following the instruction given in 2 Timothy 2:14-19, following the example in Acts 17:11.

Also by asking and answering WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and to WHOM the scripture was written.
---Rob on 4/24/12

1) The Bible both OT and NT are written for the Church/Jews. The Bible continually describes the way we are and the way that God wants his people to be. Examples Galatians CH 5, John CH 5, Paul's letters to the people of the church. In the OT it says "If my people will humble themselves I will bless there land..."
2) Gandi's favorite book was the Bible however he could not get past the work based salvation. He was looking for things to do to earn salvation.
---Scott1 on 4/24/12

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"Come ye near unto me, hear ye this, I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me." Isaiah 48:16 - there goes your theory of "its teachings hidden".

However, Jesus did reveal, "It is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63 - which simply means "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

One needs to "born of the Spirit" first before he has understanding. And this is NEVER the man's choice nor his will.
---christan on 4/24/12

Yes everyone can read it,but not everyone will understand the meaning of the bible. Those truly seeking Gods word,he will reveal himself to them, but the worldly people has turned a deaf ear to God & this includes wordly churches preaching to the "itching ears" The world is blind to what God has to offer, however again if you truly seek God he wil lshow that rare pearl.
---candice on 4/24/12

God's word is "written for all men to read and understand", but they best can understand after they become Christians. And then we need to keep growing as God's children so we can become able to understand better . . . in His love making us able to get His love meaning > "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9)
---willie_c: on 4/24/12

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