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Where does it say in the bible that God loves everyone the same. I believe it is in the new testament.

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The point is, MarkV, that Jesus Christ didnt even believe what you believe.

Can you explain why Jesus prayed for "vessels of wrath fitted to destruction"?
---LindaH on 6/8/12

Jesus went into the tomb -preached to those lost souls-many received and were saved- Father is a fair and just God-All souls - given- same opportunity.
Completely Resurrects--lifts up---the sin upon repentance and remembers it----No more.
I Pet 3:18-20 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison, Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
1Jn 3:5

Praise the Lord-True-Just and Fair--God.
---char on 6/8/12

Jacob I Loved Essau I Hated.
God has not created any for the [sole purpose of perishing]
God choose Jacob over Essau- still made Essau a great nation (Edom).Does Not mean He created Essau for the sole purpose of perishing Him.
Essau was "put aside" [Aramaic]

The Seed-line Completed:King of Kings/Lord of Lords-Jesus Christ-Immanuel

Pet 2:12-13But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not, and [shall utterly perish in their own corruption,]And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, [sporting themselves with their own deceiving while they feast with you]
---char on 6/8/12

Jed, do you not believe that you can read Scripture and read about election, chosen, predestined, all through Scripture and not have to be a Calvinist?
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12

No, believing in election makes you a Calvanist, regardless of whether you call yourself one or whether you've even heard of the word. As I already explained, Calvanism is not a doctrine, it's a belief. Calvanism is what we call the belief that people are pre-selected for salvation. That would be like someone saying that following and praying to satan doesn't make them a satanist because they don't associate themselves with other satanists and they don't call themselves one. That doesn't change the fact that they are, by definintion, a satanist.
---Jed on 6/8/12

"Canaanites (six tribes), arrived in the land before Abram :However, "the seed of the woman" of Gen 3:15, would enter the world Would be through Shems family.
Gen 10:21 "Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born."
Gen 12:7 "And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, "Unto thy seed will I give this land:" and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, Who appeared unto him."
Luke 3:31-38 traces the blood line of Christ from Adam through Shem, and on to David. Gen 12:6 "And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. (And the Canaanite was then in the land.)"
---char on 6/8/12

Please post:
Canaanites started up the heathen worship of Baal worship, Gibeon was a Hivite town that was intergrated with the Edomites, or sons of Esau. The Jebusites were the people that founded Jabus, the town that David captured later, and changed its name to Jerusalem.

Jerusalem,Yersalem [Hebrew]

Lk 24:45-47

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
---char on 6/8/12

Mark, you wrote "Faith does not save, Grace does." Ephesians 2:8 reads "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God," It is God's grace which saves. Even the faith we exercise in asking for forgiveness is His gift. I thought by now you would know this is what I believe.

Mark, you so quickly, improperly and offensively accuse me of lying. By God's children I mean all those descended from Adam and Eve. You have a different definition of 'children.' If I have misrepresented you it is not because I have lied but have misunderstood your different meaning of words.

In Acts 17 Paul tells the assembled gentiles we are all God's offspring. I believe we are.
---Warwick on 6/8/12

Linda, what kind of answer is that? The question is whether God loves everyone the same, and you say that He does, and talk about Jesus. "Then turn around and tell us He hated Judas."
What kind of answer is that? So He didn't love everyone the same.

Warwick, God did not take away the land from those nations had them slaughtered because they rejected Him, and because of that rejection the Lord We are talking of women and children. Second, Israel is still in rejection of our Lord. He gave to one what He didn't give to another.
Of course He had a reason, He always has a reason why He gives to some what He doesn't give to another. He is perfect and righteous.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/12

Warwiok, here is your comment:

" I do not understand what has given Mark the idea that God does not desire all His children to be saved."

You lied. I have never said God desires not to save His children. Never. His children are those born of the God. The rest are not His children. (Ge. 3:15) "between "your seed" (Satan's and unbelievers) who are called the devils children in (John 8:44)
"and her Seed (Christ," a descendant of Eve, and those in Him). The woman's offspring called "He" is Christ. You do not have to lie to be a man of God. And you do not have to apologize to me. Just speak the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12

Jed, do you not believe that you can read Scripture and read about election, chosen, predestined, all through Scripture and not have to be a Calvinist? Up to three months ago I had never read a Calvinistic book. In fact reading history, everyone has failed, the Catholic church and Eastern orthodox, the reformers, all have failed. As I said before, over 50,000,000 Christians lost their lives by these groups. I am a Christian who studies the Word of God. I do not defend any denomination. I speak for the Truth. And God is on the Throne of glory, and is Ruler of all things. No matter what theology you teach. God is never obligated to sinful man. That they are saved by God is a miracle for all deserve hell. Even me.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12

God hated Judas because he turned Jesus over to the Jews, but God loved those same Jews who spit on his son, mocked him and KILLED him!?

The Father was IN Jesus and Jesus cried out for their forgiveness,so obviously God loved them! Even though they denied Christ and KILLED him!

---LindaH on 6/7/12

Mark, as Jed has pointed out Calvinism is a doctrine, which you adhere to.

Your comment regarding Jesus' prayer is speculation. The truth is He prayed for the forgiveness of evil people. Definitely not the 'elect.' Your example regarding Stephen shows He, inspired by God, loves His fellow man, even those who murdered him.

Where did I lie about what you believe?

Are you saying God took the land from one people to give the the Israelites capriciously, for no good reason? Or did He take the land because they had rejected Him, just as He disposessed Israel, placing them in exile for the same reason. Did God send Israel into exile because He hated them, or because they rejected Him. See Amos chapter 5 for one example.
---Warwick on 6/7/12

Cluny be write...

Accept ... Except

And their are absitively posolutely know acception.
---aka on 6/7/12

\\But did you ever stop to think that Jesus in His humanity was just like all of us, accept He was without sin\\


"Accept" and "except" are two different words and are practically opposites!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/7/12

MarkV, not trying to pick a fight with you, but I thought you believed in the "elect". Is that not true? The predestination of the "elect" is the core of calvanism. You don't have to be in any denomination to be a calvanist. Calvanism is a doctrine that many denominations share.
---Jed on 6/7/12

MarkV, I am convinced you either did not read what I wrote in its entirety, you totally twisted what I said (which is common with you), or you are acting like you don't understand what I said for the sake of argument. Jesus, walking as a man, flowed in God's compassion for man. He healed all who came to Him, ate with sinners, and fed the multitudes. Although Jesus walked as a man full of the Spirit, everything He did came out of the Father. Don't twist what I said to propagate your theology. That's the devil's work.
---blogger8980 on 6/7/12

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The New Testament opens with "the book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." Matt 1:1 Each name in the entire generations comes through Shem.
Given Last: Shem's family generations. The entire Bible/all the prophets/nations are centered around the generations of Shem. Shem's seed: the promises of blessing the world will receive- through the seed of Abraham. Blessings were passed from Abraham to Isaac, on to Jacob. God changed Jacob's name to Israel:Israel's twelve sons grow into a family of many nations. Shem's generations:through the seed [children] of Shem that the promised Christ child would come.
---char on 6/7/12

Blogger89, so what you are saying is that Jesus in His humanity was not compassionate? If He wasn't then He was sinful. For without compassion a person is sinful. Make sure you study the Deity of Jesus Christ and His two natures before you make Jesus a sinner. If He is God (and we know He is) in "His divine nature" why would He ask God to have mercy on those who crucified His human nature? He would be talking to Himself. When Jesus talked to the Father, He talked to Him from His human nature, as the Son. Every passage where Jesus speaks to the Father it is from His human nature. You twisted the word of God just to argue against me. Take the time to study, don't just answer without thinking.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12

"But did you ever stop to think that Jesus in His humanity was just like all of us, accept He was without sin. As a human being He was compassionate. He reacted in His human nature. He was not speaking from His divine nature, for He is God and could not be talking to Himself. MarkV

Wrong again. Jesus always did those things that pleased the Father. He was the fullness of God in bodily form. He did only those things He saw the Father do and said only those things He heard the Father say. If He said it, He spoke it from the realm of the Father, who is Spirit. He perfectly expressed the Father when He had compassion. True compassion is a God characteristic. He is full of compassion.
---blogger8980 on 6/7/12

Warwick, you use to be a man who spoke for the Truth. What happen to you? Now you lied about what I believe and concerning the Children of God, and did not respond to the lie. You called me a hyper-Calvinist, and I represent no denomination. then you called God a monster when you see the facts written in Scripture.
Did He love those nations as He loved Israel? He took their land, gave it to Israel, then prohibited the gospel to them, then commanded Israel to kill all, man, women and children and animals. Do you really believe that God found out later they were bad people after He gave them life? Before He even gave them life, from the foundation of the world, God knew all the history we are going through. What god do you worship?
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12

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Linda, only the blind are deceived.
(2 Peter 3:9) is not referring to the world. Only a blind person would believe that. The context of the passage does not support your false theology. If God wanted to save everyone, He would save all. Hiss not under any obligation from sinful man. His "promise" is only to those who are and will be His children. The "us" the "we" the "any" are the beloved by God in (v. 8) to those his speaking to, and those who will come to Christ later. Not the wicked for (v. 7) tells us they are preserved by the same word, and reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men"
Read the context before you change the Truth to a lie.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12

Warwick 2: I have considered what Jesus said in His prayer in (Luke 23:34). But did you ever stop to think that Jesus in His humanity was just like all of us, accept He was without sin. As a human being He was compassionate. He reacted in His human nature. He was not speaking from His divine nature, for He is God and could not be talking to Himself. If you read (Acts 7:60) you will see the fruits of this prayer in the salvation of thousands of people in Jerusalem at Pentacost. From Stephen the martyr:
"Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, Lord do not charge them with this sin. And when he had said this, he fell asleep"
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12

Exactly Warwick. The Bible says Gods heart was grieved at mans sin. He destroyed the world of because its sin caused him so much pain. That doesn't sound like wrath at all.

This same period of time before the flood we are told that God winked at. But NOW that he has made himself known, all men are commanded to repent
---CraigA on 6/7/12

MarkV, both of those passages you are using to deceive Warwick are in reference to the nation of Israel. Talk about scripture twisting.
---LindaH on 6/6/12

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Mark, we need to remember this was originally about whether God loves everyone. Consider Luke 23:34 Jesus says "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." This shows our Lord was concerned for, and loved, all (Jew and gentile) who crucified Him, asking His Father forgive them.

As I have said before the fact that God loves His Creation did not stop Him from destroying it and those in it, via the world-wide flood of Noah. Do you imagine He enjoyed doing this? Or did not care because they were only people marked for destruction, not the elect?

That God loves all His people does not mean He will not fairly judge them, because He is perfect.
---Warwick on 6/6/12

Warwick 3: Paul also tells that through grace the "election" received salvation, and that the rest were hardened" Then he adds, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear"
Jesus Himself declared that one of the reasons why He spoke in parables was that the truth might be concealed from those for whom it was not intended. "And He answered and said unto them, unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is not given" Is Jesus a monster? You might not like the way God does things, but it is His creation to do whatsoever He pleases. If you want to throw stones at God, be very careful.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/12

Mark,from what you have written I deduce you believe God planned that all people may not be saved. I believe, as Scripture says God is "not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance" 2 Peter 3:9. Note "any" and "all." Thinking of Western society few can claim they never heard the gospel but the majority willingly reject or ignore it. You seem to be promoting the idea of a select class who were born with a 'silver spoon' in their mouths and will be saved.

If I am misrepresenting you, it is not by my desire, but because you have not been clear as to what you actually believe, and why.

Please explain in detail and stop whinging about nonExistent name calling.
---Warwick on 6/6/12

Warwick 2: you said,
"Could He bring people into this world foreknowing they had no chance of forgiveness, but were predestined for hell? What a monster that God would be"

He gave life to the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, they never got the gospel, and they perished by God's command. Is He a monster?
Paul says, "God sendeth them a working of error, that they should not believe" (2 Thess. 2:11). Paul again said,
"Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish, for I work a work in your days, A work which ye shall in no wise believe" if one declared it unto you" (Acts 13:41).
This people God gave life to.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/12

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Warwick, calling me names was not enough, now you have to lie about me. You said:
Thanks for your comments Linda. I do not understand what has given Mark the idea that God does not desire all His children to be saved."

I never said that God did not desire for all His children to be saved. That is a complete lie. I Know who His children are. His children are those who have been born of God. Those are His children. If you want to say something about the Bible at least speak the Truth. "The children of the devil are not His children." Please read the Bible. You have got Genesis wrong and still do. Read ( Gen. 3:15).
Be a man of God and speak the Truth before you start accusing someone.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/12

Thanks for your comments Linda. I do not understand what has given Mark the idea that God does not desire all His children to be saved. But I do know he is wrong.

Can you imagine our loving Creator withholding His forgiveness from untold numbers of His children? Could He bring people into this world foreknowing they had no chance of forgiveness, but were predestined for hell? What a monster that God would be.
---Warwick on 6/6/12

Warwick, I do not call you any names, there is no reason to. It's easy for you to respond that way, when you don't like anyone disagreeing with you. What I do say is that you are wrong in the passages. You said,
"Romans 5:8 ably demonstrates that God loves sinners, that Christ died for sinners" that is true, the beloved who are saved now.
then you said:
"What you have written about 2 Peter 3:9 is correct as far as you go. However it continues to say He does not want anyone to perish." Of couse He doesn't, those who are of the elect, who haven't been saved yet, His patiently waiting for them. Since the whole passage is about God destroying the wicked. Stop calling names, act like a child of God.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/12

What amazes me is now clearly everybody see each other.

One says God's only going to save a selected few.
Yet God says I came here for the sinner of the world.

Another says God will only save the believers.
Yet you cant believe unless God open your eyes.

Still other and I think you will agree, thinks Mark calls God, Daddy.

God has said even though you won't believe it.
Rom_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Does Christ live? Well then?

One could say the selected few are the believers.
Who believe, what God has done!
A God given truth.

Daddy, now that's funny! LindaH

---TheSeg on 6/5/12

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The root of the problem ,Warwick, is that MarkV secretly believes he hasn't sinned as badly as some and that's why God chose him to salvation in Jesus Christ. You can tell it from the way he talks about those who are guilty of certain sins and how Jesus didn't die for them!
Just as JamesL said. Its a sickness and hopefully one day the Lord will heal Mark of it, if he doesnt continue to harden his heart against the Spirit.

Its childish Christianity at best (if you dare even put the name of Christ on it). "Daddy loves me more than you cuz Im the good kid!" *sticks out tongue* Its very sad to see especially from a man who appears to be in his 40s or 50s.
---LindaH on 6/5/12

Mark, you have long promoted what is commonly called hyper-Calvinism. That is not calling names but a description.

Romans 5:8 ably demonstrates that God loves sinners, that Christ died for sinners. What you have written about 2 Peter 3:9 is correct as far as you go. However it continues to say He does not want anyone to perish. He does not say he desires that a selected number not perish.

If you believe salvation is only possible for those elected by God you are saying billions have been born who never had a chance to be saved. How can God judge those who never had a chance?
---Warwick on 6/5/12

Berishyt: adam/adamah formed from the dust of the earth Placed in the garden (Sept: paradise) when given the choice, choose to reach out and partake from the tree with the knowledge of good and evil. The cost from this act put into play the balance of the two (knowledge of good and evil) into the world that now has death entered into its realm/dimension/cycle. Gen3:22

Does God love His creation? Yes. He has provided away for restoration without death and for His creation placed in clay to have a path that leads them back to Him. Freedom from the elements/rediments of the world.Colossians(all)Chap 2,3-"dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Second Adam-Jesus Christ-Immanuel God with us.
---char on 6/5/12

Warwick, Israelis were idol worshippers, sinners like everyone else.
If you had read the context on the passages you would know the speakers was talking to believers. (Rom. 5:8) begins with (v.1).
"Therefore, having been justified by faith, "we" have peace with God" the "us" in (v.8) "But God demonstrates His own love toward "us" in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us"
(2 Peter 3:9) begins with (v.1 & v.8) Those with pure minds, "beloved"
"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing..." He is longsuffering toward "us" people he is speaking to.
Warwick, you cup-out from the Truth and start calling names.
---Mark_V. on 6/5/12

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Mark your hyper-Calvinism blinds your mind to the reality of God's love.

Romans 5:8 and 2 Peter 3:9 and others show God loves His Creation, as Jesus died for sinners as He was not willing that any would perish.

You wonder about those God has judged worthy of death because of their sin such as the Hittites, without understanding that all of us are sinners, saved only by His substitutionary death and resurrection. You and I would have been fairly judged worthy of death if we had not responded to His call. Do you imagine we were programmed to respond? Do you imagine God created mankind knowing He was condemning billions to hell as He did not program them to respond? What a monstrous God that is!
---Warwick on 6/4/12

Now take someone like me.
Do I know what I believe is the truth!
I gave you Joh_9:32, because in this story.
I found what I believe is the truth.
Here a man who was born blind, very much like all of us!
They ask God! Who did sin that this man was born blind.
Look at what Christ said!

That the works of God should be made manifest in him!
I have to ask myself, who on this planet was not born blind or dead in trespasses?
I say no one! All have sinned. I read here how some say I keep the commandments.
You as well as I know this is a lie, again ignorant.
So why are they forgiven?
Because, I am!
---TheSeg on 6/4/12

Warwick, you can do better then that. You give (Rom. 5:8 and 2 Peter 3:9) and in both verses the "us" is the believers, the elect, the beloved. Then you give passages talking about Israel, of course He loved Israel, but what about the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites? What happen to that love? God commanded the people of Israel to slaughter them in order that Israel take their lands. God said, "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth, but thou shalt utterly destroy them" Those people never received the love of God Israel got. All they got was death. Women and children, even the animals. What happen to their free will?
---Mark_V. on 6/4/12

I have learned that just because someone smiles at you and says, "Have a nice day", they do not really mean it, because in truth all the while they do not like you at all and they are plotting to hurt or destroy you. When I was younger I was very trusting of humans. Now today I have zero trust for any human-beings at all, zero trust, due to their antiChrist and antiChristian and ungodly ways. Trust the Lord, and put zero trust in the liars whom pretend that they are your friend, when in truth they have no care for you at all, none. Else they would not do the evil against you that they do. My love and compassion comes from Christ, for he is not pretentious, and when he smiles and says "Have a nice day", he really means it.
---Eloy on 6/4/12

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Who is it that can reject the truth?
Is the person who says there is no God rejecting God?
In truth this person doesn't know there a God, nor can he believe it!
How can he reject something he does not know?
Because we've told him, Joh 9:32
How can anyone who does not know the truth reject it?
Seems to me a person would have to know what he is rejecting, before he can reject it.

But now take someone who says I know the truth.
Because he says I know it, does that mean he know it?
No, that just mean he thinks he does.
But because of his knowledge, he is preaching a false gospel.
He is also doing it in ignorance.
---TheSeg on 6/3/12

Mark see Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!"-Jesus' lament over Jerusalem. I am convinced He lamented over all who chose not to follow Him, showing He loved them, lamented their unfaithfulness, and will eventually judge them.

Romans 5:8 "but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

2 Peter 3:9".... not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

He loves all His Creation and laments over those who perish through willing ignorance.
---Warwick on 6/3/12

Did not Jesus heal the deaf, the dumb, the blind and the lame? Of course He did and this shows His love, and sympathy for these victims of the curse.
---Warwick on 6/3/12

Does God love deaf people? In the first and second century, were deaf people allowed to be members of the Church or excluded?

Did the early Church writers love or despise deaf people?

From what I've heard, deaf people were excluded from owning property. How then, were they allowed to be members of the Church?
---Broken_heart on 6/3/12

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1st markv, wrong use of those verses. It says make out of the SAME LUMP. Ask Seg, he explains it great.
2nd seg sorry for the misunderstanding. God came to me and convicted me of my sins, told me I needed Jesus, I believed him, repented and was saved. That is what happened and that is how the Bible says it happens. God goes to ALL and convicts them of sin. After that they can choose to believe or turn away.
God came to me first BUT he did not FORCE me to believe truth, I chose to. Otherwise how could he be a righteous judge if he forced me to believe yet denied it to others? He goes to all because he loves all!
---ginger on 6/3/12

//Will John 3:16 do for starters?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/28/12//

Yes Cluny.

Jn 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
---char on 6/3/12

Warwick, of course God loved what He created, He designed it, ordained it, and completed it, and tells us how it will end. It's complete before His eyes. How can He not love what He created.
"But does not the Potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"
here is where many disagree,
"But indeed O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it, "why have you made me like this?"
His Word also tells us, speaking of the elect, the "us" "Who shall separated "us" from the love of Christ?" speaking of believers only.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/12

I didnt say you shut any doors.
Because if I said something like that, it would mean:
Well I think you know what it means
Being you said it! What I said is, now thats funny!

The rest of you:
Let me ask you guys something, why do you believe in God?
Is it because you went to God or is it because, God came to you?

The reason Im asking is because Christ said:
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Let me add:
Do you think you did something to believe?
So what was it you did, that God did not give you?
---TheSeg on 6/2/12

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seg, warwick is very right. i didnt shut any door. christ is the door . to be saved a person has to go through him. GOD hates all sin but loves all of his creation.
---ginger on 6/2/12

But, none the less, he said Joh_5:22: the Father judgeth no man!

These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Luk_7:47, Mat_26:13!

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge:
and my judgment is just, because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go, but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

And here!
Ye judge after the flesh, "I judge no man!"

And yet if I judge, my judgment is true:
Why? You have already been found guilty. Everyone!

Sorry! But Mat_12:34!
---TheSeg on 6/2/12

//[...]God loves all His Creation obviously including mankind. He loves all mankind but nonetheless as the perfect Judge, condemns and punishes those who choose to ignore or reject His commands. Love does not imply that He will not judge those He loves.
---Warwick on 6/2/12///

Understood--- I agree.
---char on 6/2/12

Seq, my reading of Scripture shows God loves all His Creation obviously including mankind. He loves all mankind but nonetheless as the perfect Judge, condemns and punishes those who choose to ignore or reject His commands. Love does not imply that He will not judge those He loves.
---Warwick on 6/2/12

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Before anyone speaks, they should try to understand God.
And believe me! I know the things Im saying are unbelievable.
But, if you try to understand anything, try to understand these two things!
Read them:
Mat 5:2 through Mat 7:29!

Most of all try to open your heart to this:
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Remember Joh_12:32!
He said, "If I be!"
---TheSeg on 6/2/12

Joh8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

If God were their father then Christ would love them. All that Christ loves he died for and all that Christ died for will be with him in heaven.
---trey on 6/2/12

If God loves everybody, why would Christ Say Mat_5:44-45!

Joh 14:23! What are my words? Joh_15:12!
Ye of the leaven of the Pharisees.
Which is hypocrisy!
Not as you love, but as I love!

How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet, ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

So, A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Mat_5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
Sleep well!
---TheSeg on 6/1/12

I think all will agree, the best source to turn to when learning about Our Heavenly Father is from his only begotten Son.
Jesus said in (John 14:21) He that has My commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves Me, and he that loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him."

If God loved everybody, why would Jesus teach us that his Father loves those who keep his commandments?
If God loved everyone, why would he throw the sinner into a lake of fire?
If God loved everyone, why wouldn't he save everyone?
---David on 6/1/12

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I do so want to thank you for clearing that up for us.
But if its ok with you I will stick with what is being said, in this letter to Rome.

So, Pharaoh was an, Israelites?
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Please forgive me ginger but here he clearly says:
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Do you realize you shut the door on those who want to know God?
Now thats funny, ginger!
---TheSeg on 5/31/12

Typo correction, "if the Father's love for us where based on our actions," should have read "if the Father's love for us 'were' based on our actions..." I termed human love as "hypocritical", I think a better term would be "conditional", and at times just plain dissimulating. I would like to think that the Father's love transcends conditions, however the following passage was a cause for pause. "I love them 'that love me'," Proverbs 8:17 Is he actually suggesting that If a man does not love Him, will he not be loved by Him? I have to think not. Why? If that were the case, He would be opposing His words to us in luke 6:32 & 35 So He must be simply accentuating His love, for those who love Him.
---josef on 5/31/12

You have taken Romans 9 completely out of context. He is talking About Israel at that particular point.
He saw each of their heart, decided it would Jacob who Israel would be born through, thus the Messiah who would come, die for the sins of the world and open the door for gentiles.
Context, Context! He hated Esau because He saw Esau did not love him.
Why do people try to use this verse to say God chooses all who get saved? Do you realize you shut the door on those who want to know God?

God loves Everyone because HE is LOVE.
God doesn hate people, he hates SIN!
---ginger on 5/31/12

Jed, I agree with your answer. God is love, but He does not love everyone the same way. There should be no argument on that. In the Old Testament God only allowed the nation of Israel to have the gospel, other nations were deprived of the gospel. When the Spirit move the apostles to witness, many area's were excluded from learning the gospel because the Spirit move the apostles to other areas. In life we see many are born with the gospel. Others are not, (staying alive) is all they can do, while others are born to parents who know the gospel and teach it to their children. We are not all treated the same by God. Some are born crippled and others are not. Some blind, and others are not. Some die young, while others are allowed to live long lives.
---Mark_V. on 5/31/12

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First thing!
Rom_9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,)
Saying: it's up to me(God!)

Rom_9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Not because of anything they did. But, because I(God) have said it:
Rom_9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Rom_9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Is Atheist Here? Yes! This is what we say!

I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy.
Because you can't, but not because of you!
It's because of me(God!)
---TheSeg on 5/30/12

"I believe he hated Esau's actions." Ginger, I agree, for if the Father's love for us where based on our actions, then He would be basing that love on the sensual, and that love would be as feeble and hypocritical as our own sensually based love for one another. However the Father has shown us the type of love He has for us "in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Rom 5:8 "Josef that is the point, it seems to. But it doesnt, it bear witness of it." In what way Seg?
---josef on 5/30/12

Mat_18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

Where does he think he going!

Mat_18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

It's kind of funny to me.
Cause a real good shepherd would never lose any sheep. Would he?
The sheep just think, they are/Joh_3:19!
So, you can't help that.

It's kind of like, always knowing were something is.
By the stuff, that's in their mouths.
I'm full of it!

---TheSeg on 5/30/12

Josef that is the point, it seems to.
But it doesnt, it bear witness of it.

Dont we all do the same things?
Just like the man today, who say:
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

(To this day, no one is any different)
Luk 13:2-4
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
(But we want to be!)

Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
---TheSeg on 5/30/12

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---willie_c: on 5/30/12

Love this post!
God loves us so much he will let us deal with the consequences of our actions so we can learn.
The Word says he reigns over the just and the unjust. And I believe reaping and sowing is still in effect too.

Josef, yes it does seem to contradict. But we have to ask why did God hate Esau?
It was because he gave away his birthright for food.
His heart was toward earthly things and not heavenly. We are supposed to have our hearts(minds) toward heavenly things. I believe he hated Esua's actions.
Willie posted a great post. It explains a lot.
Bless you both!
---ginger on 5/30/12

"Where does it say in the bible that God loves everyone the same." It does not. It does say that "God is Love" and since "there is no perversion of justice with the LORD our God, or partiality," 2Ch 19:7(RSV) And "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Act 10:34 "For there is no respect of persons with God." Rom 2:11 I would think he would love everyone the same. However this scripture, "As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." seems to contradict that.
---josef on 5/30/12

\\And the King will separate the sheep on his right hand from the goats on the left. Then will he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me all you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. And these will go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."\\

Take heed, Eloy.

Out of yourm own mouth youm condemn yourmself.

Jesus said, "By your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

That applies to youm, too!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12

"Whom obeying to the Son has everlasting life, but whom disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on that one. Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. And having made a whip out of green stems he drove out all them out of the Temple. And the King will separate the sheep on his right hand from the goats on the left. Then will he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me all you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. And these will go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." John 3:36+ Romans 9:13+ John 2:15+ Matthew 25:33,41,46.
---Eloy on 5/30/12

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That's easy enough, because:
Rom_3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,

Are we better than anyone? No!
Rom_3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin,
Rom_3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
So God loves everyone the same!

What one, should really ask himself is, do I, love God's Son?
1Jn_4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

If you have love, one to another!
---TheSeg on 5/30/12

Yes, Ginger, I thought of 1 John 2:2, too > "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." But, of course, people refuse how Jesus has so loved us. There are people who love someone very much but they are refused, and they can be hurt and angry . . . angry because they do love but are refused.

Also, "God resists the proud," we have in James 4:6 and also in 1 Peter 5:5. I understand, now, that God's resistance helps to keep wrong people from getting into much more trouble and hurting more people than they do. So, I can see His resistance is caring for and therefore loving those wrong people. So, He is loving each person, at each one's level, practically.
---willie_c: on 5/30/12

Actually Nate,
God is angry at the SIN they do.

It is the same as my daddy loving me but hating some of the things I did when growing up.
Did he ever stop loving me? No of course not, but he would sure be angry at my disobedience to his commands.
---ginger on 5/29/12

"For to this end we also labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe." (1 Timothy 4:10)

So, if God "is the Savior of all men", to me this means He loves all people. But it also says, "especially of those who believe."

So, yes Jesus suffered and died in His love for every one of us, but people refuse this.
---willie_c: on 5/29/12

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The Bible does say that God is love. It also says that he loved the whole world. It does NOT say that he loves everyone the same. Another thing that people do is confuse love with being "nice" and passive. There are far more references in the Bible to the wrath of God that his love.
---Jed on 5/29/12

And the Bible also say's that GOD IS ANGRY WITH THE WICKED EVERYDAY so please when you read your Bible read the verse's that say's other thing about GOD, BECAUSE WHAT I'M finding out is people pick out certain verses that make's them happy so watch out for this
---nate on 5/29/12

Good one Cluny!!
How about these.

1 John 4:8
8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love
1 John 2:2
2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world
Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
---ginger on 5/29/12

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